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COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS debate -
Thursday, 13 Feb 2003

Vol. 1 No. 8

2001 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts:

Vote 9: Office of the Revenue Commissioners.

Mr. F. Daly (Chairman, Revenue Commissioners) called and examined.

At the outset the representatives will deal with chapter 4.7 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. Witnesses should be made aware that they do not enjoy absolute privilege and should be apprised as follows. Witnesses' attention is drawn to the fact that from 2 August 1998, section 10 of the Committees of the Houses of the Oireachtas (Compellability, Privileges and Immunities of Witnesses) Act 1997 grants certain rights to persons who are identified in the course of the committee's proceedings. These rights include the right to give evidence, the right to produce or send documents to the committee, the right to appear before the committee either in person or through a representative, the right to make a written or oral submission, the right to request the committee to direct the attendance of witnesses and the production of documents, and the right to cross-examine witnesses. For the most part these rights may be exercised only with the consent of the committee. Persons being invited before the committee are made aware of these rights and any person identified in the course of proceedings who are not present may have to be made aware of these rights and provided with a transcript of the relevant part of the committee's proceedings if the committee considers it appropriate and in the interest of justice.

Persons being invited before the committee are made aware of these rights, and any person identified in the course of proceedings who is not present may have to be made aware of these rights and provided with a transcript of the relevant part of the committee's proceedings if the committee considers it appropriate in the interests of justice.

Notwithstanding this provision in legislation, I remind members of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. Members are also reminded of the provisions within Standing Order 156 that the committee shall refrain from inquiring into the merits of a policy or policies of the Government or a Minister in the Government or the merits of the objectives of such policies.

I welcome Mr. Frank Daly, Chairman of the Revenue Commissioners, and ask him to introduce his officials. I would also like to congratulate you on your appointment and wish you well in your new post.

I am accompanied by Paddy O'Shaughnessy, who is the director of our administrative budget or Vote section; Tom Dowling, his deputy; Paddy Molloy, who is the head of our statistics and forecasting branch; and Fionnuala Ryan, who is deputy in that branch.

I ask the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment representatives to introduce themselves.

Mr. Philip Donegan

I am a principal officer in the company law division of the Department. I am accompanied by Paul Farrell, the registrar of companies; Nora Rice, a legal adviser to the office; and Brian O'Hare, an assistant registrar in the companies registration office.

Will the representatives from the Department of Finance introduce themselves?

Mr. Dermot Mulligan

I work in the budget and economic division. I am accompanied by Donal Murtagh, also from that division, and Dave Hurley from the organisation, management and training division in the Department.

Chapter 4.7 of the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General reads:

In Depth Examination of Tax Written Off

Introduction

In 2000, Revenue wrote off outstanding taxes to a total amount of €104 million under the care and management provisions of the Taxes Acts. It was considered by Revenue that the taxes due in each case had become uncollectable for various reasons. The write offs were subject to internal control procedures, and some 4% of cases were examined by Internal Audit to ensure that procedures were followed and that tax was not improperly written off. My staff also reviewed a sample of cases which indicated that procedures had been followed. However, as a separate exercise, they commenced a more in depth examination of a sample of cases in some write off categories in order to establish the extent and adequacy of Revenue activity over the years prior to write off and whether the relevant lessons had been learned from such cases. This report sets out the findings of that examination.

Background

An analysis by Revenue of outstanding taxes at the end of 1996 concluded that there was no realistic chance of recovering much of the book debt of €1,817m for tax years up to 1994-95 due to a number of factors:

€745m of the arrears related to periods prior to self assessment, was more than 10 years old and remained uncollected at the end of the collection and enforcement cycle

the overall debt included estimated assessments of €620 million, many of which were regarded as speculative and overestimated

€509m was due from cases cancelled by the Inspector of Taxes, usually on the basis of having ceased trading, and

the rate of recovery of the €312m arrears amassed in the early years of self assessment was extremely low; even the very favourable terms of the 1993 tax amnesty had made little impression.

Revenue write-off procedures were revised in early 1997 so that much of the old uncollectable debt would be deleted from the records through the use of automation to write off small amounts, an enhanced effort to review doubtful debt, and the write off of cases involving company liquidations at the beginning rather than the end of the company liquidation process. It was hoped that the measures would result in a significant reduction in the level of old book arrears and a greater focus on the collection of current taxes and collectable arrears, and lead to a more planned approach to debt management. Write off remained an internal management matter and decisions to write off are not notified to taxpayers or other interested parties. Revenue considers that the strategy has been successful on the basis of a fall of 11% in the level of recorded tax debt between 1997 and 2001, as against increases of 64% in the gross tax collection and 50% in the number of taxpayers in the same period.

At that time, the Revenue Commissioners sought my views on their proposals and I stated that I was in broad agreement but pointed out that

control procedures needed to be designed to minimize the risk of writing-off collectable debt

the Revenue policy of reinstituting collection action on written off arrears should continue where circumstances change to an extent that the debt can be satisfied

the revised write-off procedures should not be seen as giving the message that if Revenue demands are ignored for long enough they will go away.

Table 11 details the overall amounts of tax written off in the five years 1997-2001, and the amounts for two of the main categories - 'liquidation-receivership-bankruptcy', and 'ceased trading - no assets' which account for 40% and 20% respectively of the total.

Table 11 - Tax Written Off

Year

Overall Total Written Off

Liquidations etc.

Ceased Trading - No Assets

No. of Cases

€m

No.

€m

No.

€m

1997

-*

357

-

193

-

27

1998

-*

274

-

118

-

67

1999

4,501

112

475

36

2,347

42

2000

3,975

104

397

25

1,432

42

2001

36,654**

140

382

27

578

17

Total

987

399

195

*Number of cases written off in 1997 and 1998 are not available.

** Includes automatic write off of small amounts totalling €67m.

Objectives and Scope of the Audit

The objective of the audit was to go beyond the standard write off papers, and to examine the role of the relevant divisions and processes within Revenue in managing and pursuing a sample of significant write off cases in the years prior to reaching write off stage in order to fully assess the appropriateness of the write off decision and to identify any lessons which might be learned from the loss, and whether Revenue had actually made the necessary adjustments to procedures and practice.

The expectation was that only the selected write-off cases would require to be examined. It was anticipated that the entity/person/business had ceased and was no longer involved in any economic activity. However, it became apparent from an early stage in the examination of a number of cases that the people and their businesses had not ceased but often had multiple ongoing business involvements which gave every indication of deliberate abuse of the tax system. In the light of this preliminary finding, the examination was reoriented towards identifying the extent of these activities, the relationships between various business entities, the methods used to escape the tax system and the overall lessons for the tax collection system.

The original sample on which the audit was based was a selection of 50 cases in which an amount greater than €125,000 was written off during 2000. It comprised 34 companies, 14 individuals and two other institutions. The cases were selected to cover the various write off categories e.g. 'liquidations' and 'ceased trading - no assets', and the different units in Revenue which had been involved in the authorisation of the write offs. However, due to the extent of the work involved and the approximately 300 related cases which were also fully examined, the number of cases from the original sample on which a full review was possible was reduced to 25 with only a brief review of the remainder.

In each full review, the liquidation and write off files were examined. Case histories were reviewed on the Revenue computer systems i.e. Central Registration System, Integrated Taxation Processing and Active Intervention Management, in some cases. Additional data from other sources was also examined in certain cases as follows:

tax assessment files

Revenue property database

excise licence databases

Companies Registration Office system (available on Revenue computer systems from Sept. 2000).

The CRO system was particularly useful for identifying directorships, relationships and the status and activities of businesses. The various information sources were utilized to build up a comprehensive tax history of cases, which gave a more complete picture than that provided by any of the stand alone Revenue systems, or by the write off summary and backing papers. While all of these information sources were available to Revenue staff at the time of write off, some e.g. access to the new Companies Registration Office system and Revenues Integrated Taxation Processing are relatively recent developments and were not available to Revenue staff when the sample cases were originally worked.

In addition to this report and analysis of the audit findings, with its focus on the performance of the overall system, detailed reports were forwarded to Revenue on an ongoing basis outlining all information which came to light in each case in order that any tax implications could be established and investigated.

Audit Findings

The audit findings fall into two main categories i.e. audit concern relating to the appropriateness of each write off, and the weaknesses in the Revenue collection system which might be indicated by the details of the cases. The weaknesses and possible lessons are considered in areas such as registration, compliance, enforcement and audit. In addition, the implications of particular aspects of abuse noted in two business sectors - property development and the licensed trade - and the difficult area of the abuse of limited liability for tax evasion are also considered. At times, there may be some overlap between points which is unavoidable as many occur together and are closely related e.g.

inadequate pursuit earlier in the case

a narrow 'case-based' approach

inadequate information on and understanding of the overall business and tax context of the case

lack of awareness of previous write off record

strong evidence of extended tax abuse.

However, it is necessary to attempt to isolate and categorise each issue in so far as that is possible in order that it may receive full consideration within the context of the overall tax collection system. While much of this report's content relates to systems and procedures, the write offs were processed on an individual case by case basis. Therefore, for illustration purposes, outlines are included of some details in relation to a sample of three cases which came to light during the audit as a result of following the information trail back from the write off of amounts of €442,000, €146,000 and €170,000. In my opinion, these serve to underline the main points made in the report, and also show the extent of Revenue's task when such activities are concealed within the millions of transactions of the taxes systems.

Appropriateness of Write Off

Reports on the write off cases examined were forwarded to Revenue including comments on the issues coming to audit attention which raised questions on aspects of the write off decision in 2000. Essentially these can be summarised into two main issues - the inadequately informed 'case-based' approach, and the policy of minimising the write off amount.

Write Off Decision based on Inadequate Information

Write off decisions were made on the very narrow basis of the recent collection history of a case treated in isolation, and without an examination of all of the information which was available to Revenue. It is clear from cases reviewed that such an examination would have revealed a far more complex tax history and, in particular, relationships to other tax cases and write-offs involving the same principals. Given the depth of information revealed in some cases, the Revenue write off review could only be considered to be superficial in nature. A comprehensive record of an individual and his/her businesses is vital to a decision on the appropriateness of write-off. A more comprehensive tax history could have resulted in a different conclusion and decision on the collectability of outstanding taxes in a number of cases reviewed.

There is still every possibility that a write off will ultimately be the only option in many cases due to the very limited options available to enforce the recovery of tax owed by a company with no remaining business or assets. However, in cases where a pattern of behaviour encompassing aspects of chronic non-compliance or even deliberate tax evasion activity is identified, a lesson will have been learned either regarding an individual taxpayer, or a system weakness. Appropriate action either through the close monitoring of all of an individual's future activities, or by addressing the weakness, should minimise future losses.

Full Extent of Loss Understated

When a write off is reported, the reasonable expectation is that the amount recorded faithfully represented the substance of the transaction i.e. in this context the extent of the loss to the Exchequer. Obviously, the amount of the recorded loss should not be distorted by inflated estimates but, equally, the extent of the actual loss should not be misrepresented by the exclusion of reasonable estimates likely to be acceptable for legal action in other circumstances e.g. estimates made under Section 23 of VAT Act. It was noted in many cases examined that the extent of the recorded loss may have been understated as

there was no assessment of the extent of non-compliance or the likely size of the full tax debt

the write off was based purely on charges on record, even where these only equated to some payments from a failed fixed payment arrangement

a number of undercharges identified on tax audits were excluded; and all interest and penalty charges were excluded.

Revenue has stated that it would be unproductive to apply scarce resources to the task of establishing the full liability in circumstances where such tax would, in any event, most likely be uncollectable. Such activity would add nothing to the Exchequer and would operate to the detriment of more productive work.

While the Revenue position is understandable, in the context of resource allocation, I believe that some effort should be made to present a complete and accurate picture with regard to write offs bearing in mind that the real scale of a write off is likely to have an impact on the decision taken

it would be expected that efforts to establish the full extent of a tax liability should arise earlier in the collection process

accounting and transparency requirements cannot be totally put aside.

Further Write Off Issues

Irrespective of how the write off process is carried out, there is a further issue relating to its timing. It is, or should be, the final in depth review of all aspects of a case in order to establish whether it should be 'written off' or excluded from all of the live stages of the tax collection system. However it is usually carried out at a stage, e.g. six years or more after tax due, when the conclusion will be that it is too late to take any meaningful action and the difficulty of tracing persons and records too great. In order to maximise the value of such a review, consideration should be given to performing this process, say as a third party review, at a much earlier stage e.g after 12 months/24 months without meaningful collection activity in order to get to the bottom of what has occurred in a case at a time where the chances of tax recovery may be much greater. Following the completion of this process cases could be moved to a 'pending write off' account for a further period, but would not be subject to routine collection activity unless new information of relationship comes to light. The current principle would not be affected whereby the debt does not totally disappear at any stage, but remains on taxpayer record for recovery should the opportunity arise, and any lessons for Revenue would be learned earlier. Revenue consider that a decision on whether to write-off or not should be taken at the time of review, as placing a case in a pending category to be re-examined again later would be wasteful of resources.

The weakness of the basis of the write off decisions in a number of the small sample of cases reviewed out of the €104m total written off in 2000 also raises the issue of the extent to which the 2000 write offs in total, and even earlier years, contain cases where the decision should be reviewed. Obviously, at this remove, any look back would require to be focused both with regard to size and type of cases. A further issue, and possibly of greater importance at this stage, may be the extent to which those write offs hide the successful efforts of tax evaders, allowing them the opportunity to repeat their undiscovered practices as instanced by the three sample outlinedcases.

CASE No. 1 - Property Developer

Developer entered the tax system through the 1988 tax amnesty with a payment of €79,000 for years 1970/71 - 1988/89; while that was considered inadequate by Revenue, no further payment was ultimately demanded;

Write off of €442,000 CT from 1988 included in sample reviewed; demand returned undelivered 1990; no further collection action until write off in 2000 on basis that neither of the two directors could be contacted; Co. had failed to register issued share capital, directors, business address or any annual returns; no connection was made with the individual, the amnesty payment, or his other companies;

Developer and his family were involved in at least 35 active million pound plus property development companies during 1990s including several major industrial estates, office blocks, apartment blocks, townhouse schemes and a shopping centre, with recent developments valued at over €125m.

Dealings with Revenue:

35 Co.s registered for CT, 25 for VAT, and none for PAYE/PRSI

while the core business was always property development, cases were spread over various tax districts due to a wide variation of declared activities

CT returns rarely filed for post-completion i.e. disposal periods; Co.s typically informally dissolved without formal wind-up of final statement of affairs providing information on the sale of property or disposal of cash and other assets which would allow assessment of tax liabilities

CT paid totalled €0.25m, while VAT Repayments exceeded VAT payments by €6m (however, portion of that difference is due to 'Section 4A' exemptions arising from sales to VAT registered purchasers)

An agent for one of the Co.s informed Revenue that Co. had always been dormant, and the certified accounts filed with CRO reflected this position; Co. had constructed two townhouse developments and an apartment block in early 1990s which sold for €10m

In response to a returned demand for €34,000 VAT arrears arising from four tax audits, a Revenue field officer called to the registered address of one of the Co.s and was informed that the Co. had transferred to another address, and that the whereabouts of the directors were unknown; at the second address it was stated that Co. no longer existed; both locations were owned by the developers Co.s. The VAT arrears were written off. The Co. developed 36 houses to the value of €2.5m but no CT was paid.

In all, our examination noted four write offs of taxes totalling €0.6m.

While the developer was registered for Residential Property Tax, he was not considered to have a liability when his residence was sold for €3.9m because his declared income was below the income threshold.

Revenue Response

Having examined the write off cases referred by my staff, Revenue is satisfied that the cases were worked in accordance with the instructions, guidelines and work practices prevailing at the time the write off was recommended. The write off decision, taking each case on its specific merits, was fully justified. The write off procedure requires each staff member to make a judgment bearing the following factors in mind - the size and age of the debt, previous collection history, whether the debt is well founded i.e. based on returns filed not estimates, feasibility of further collection or enforcement action. Each recommendation is submitted for approval by the Assistant Principal or Compliance Manager, or where the total write off exceeds €320,000, by the Principal Officer or Senior Inspector.

Having reviewed write off procedures in light of cases highlighted by my audit, Revenue has introduced additional checks, called 'commonality checks' which seek to identify and check on the principals behind companies with significant tax payment problems and is amending Write Off Guidelines to provide for:

checks for linkages to be carried out where tax is being considered for write off

a specific question for caseworkers to confirm that they have checked the Companies Registration Office for links to other companies in which directors may be involved

a check on the write off position in respect of the director's personal tax together with the recording of a brief summary of those enquiries.

Revenue has stated that while an old Revenue system which collapsed in 1997 did allow for interrogation of Companies Registration Office records, it was not easy to use and the information was not up to date. The current system which was installed in September 2000 allows staff to create the links used by my staff during the course of this audit. In relation to use of information on the Revenue property file, property searches usually occur after a decision is made to pursue a debt, for example, in considering a judgment mortgage or forced sale. The property search is carried out using the more comprehensive and up to date on-line Land Registry database. The type of use to which the Special Enquiry Branch property file was put during our examination is usually reserved for audit cases. However, Revenue will give consideration to what further use can be made of that system in the context of write off operations. When the structured management system for Revenues data being developed under the LINKS project is fully operational, it should be possible to obtain all information held by Revenue relevant to a particular taxpayer through one enquiry. This will greatly assist the working of audit and compliance cases by increasing efficiency and focusing on the risk in a particular case. The first part of this system will become operational towards the end of 2002.

With regard to the question of reviewing other write off cases, Revenue considered that the audit sample which was drawn from the larger write off decisions in 2000 would not be fully representative of all write off cases. The larger cases sampled would be more likely to involve cases where enforcement action had never been successful and where evasion would therefore be more likely than in the generality of cases. Revenue has indicated that the recently introduced 'commonality checks' should pick up evaders who attempt to repeat the stratagem and that all of the previous write offs would be reviewed and, where possible, overturned in such cases. That approach would provide the most efficient use of available resources.

In conclusion, Revenue is satisfied that while the write off decisions on each individual case were correct in accordance with the procedures and information systems available at the time, deficiencies in the systems identified in my examination have now been addressed. Revised structures and procedures have been put in place to ensure detection and follow through where case linkages of the type revealed by my examination are identified. An investigation has commenced as to how a comprehensive examination of the cases noted can be put in train. The write off of uncollectable tax will play an important role in the challenging programme of debt reduction set out in Revenue's Statement of Strategy 2001-2003, and Revenue is satisfied that the procedures and systems in place will ensure the appropriateness of its actions, taking all factors into account.

Weakness in Revenue Activity

This section of the report sets out a number of weaknesses in Revenue activity which were noted from the in depth examination of the sample of write off cases, and also from the many related cases which were sourced and reviewed in the course of that examination. The objective was to establish the extent to which such weaknesses, which had, in all likelihood, contributed to the failure of collection and to reaching the stage of write off, had been identified and rectified by Revenue. The items in this section are grouped under registration, compliance, enforcement, audit and other controls.

Registration

Points noted in this area included:

individuals with multiple tax

the incorporation of companies was not linked to tax registration; many other companies owned by directors involved in write off cases were not registered for tax purposes

companies registered for one tax but not for the obviously appropriate tax: pubs registered for Corporation Tax but not for VAT, similarly services sector businesses not registered for PAYE

discrepancies as between the registration details in Revenue and Companies Registration Office different directors or business addresses

formal documentation in Companies Registration Office e.g. annual returns and registered charges, indicated that the companies traded before being registered for tax.

There would appear to be a need to synchronise the incorporation of companies and their registration for tax. The tax registration process should be tightened to ensure that all relevant tax heads are included, and that complete and accurate details regarding beneficial ownership and business address are provided. Consideration could be given to including the PPS No. of each director as the objective of limited liability is to facilitate the conduct of business investment as opposed to concealment from the tax system.

Compliance

The lack of monitoring and review of a number of cases which came to attention was indicative of weaknesses in the compliance area:

companies found to be active had a 'dormant' status on the tax database

Companies Registration Office indications of business activity e.g. annual returns, registration of charges, changes of business address, were not used to check compliance

There was a pattern of registration for Corporation Tax and no other tax head, and of submitting no returns; from the check of several hundred companies registered for Corporation Tax, some with evidence of extensive trading activity, only a handful returned a liability, or any returns, for Corporation Tax

Returned mail was a basis for a number of write off decisions; this should be seen as an early indicator of compliance or more serious problems - signalling the need for early action; in two cases, there were delays of many years before attempting to re-establish contact

VAT returns are a valuable measure of business activity; this source did not appear to be used as a useful indicator of liability for other taxes; and the monitoring of Corporation Tax compliance appeared to have a low priority in the cases examined, particularly in comparison with the high yielding VAT and PAYE.

Enforcement

An aspect which stood out from the review was the necessity for prompt and decisive action when matters reach enforcement stage. The opportunities for effective enforcement of tax debt can be limited when dealing with private companies, and collection procedures should have the flexibility to respond appropriately in such cases. Particular weaknesses in write off cases included:

allowing token action by the taxpayer to revert the whole enforcement process back to the beginning as opposed to picking up where it was suspended

excessive caution and inordinate delays, sometimes over minor matters, in proceeding to enforcement.

CASE No. 2 - Publican A & Publican B

From the early 1990s Publican A has, through Co.s, been involved at different stages in the operation of three pubs owned by Publican B; each of the newly-formed Co.s registered for tax, obtained Tax Clearance Certificates (TCCs) and renewed the pub licence;

Each then followed a behaviour pattern which outsmarted and rendered useless the normal Revenue procedures in this area:

Co.s were partly tax compliant (for VAT) during the first year

At the end of the year an instalment arrangement for a small amount i.e. €1,000 per month was agreed with Revenue for Year 1 arrears, and TCC was issued enabling licence renewal

The instalment arrangement was immediately abandoned and, by the third year, Co.s had large VAT arrears. These were mainly estimated because of failure to make returns.

At this point, Co.s ceased to trade and were dissolved (no annual returns were sent to the RO). Licence was transferred to the owner, Publican B, who successfully obtains a TCC and renewal of the licence

An interim period follows during which the business is totally non-compliant: in one case VAT returns were not filed for an unbroken three years, and a return under any tax head for one year

The dissolved Co. is then replaced by another with Publican A as a director, and which has a 'clean' tax record to allow the cycle to recommence.

In addition to the write off of €146,000 in the audit sample, a total of €100,000 was written off in two further cases relating to Publican A.

Publican A's companies have not made any Corporation Tax returns to date.

Publican B has declared only one of his ten directorships to Revenue; one of his Co.s acquired eight properties, mainly pubs and hotels, in the period 1987 to 1997 while deregistered for tax. On licence renewal application, three of the pubs declared annual turnover of between €1mand €2.5m.

Twenty two Co.s which operated pubs owned by Publican B were dissolved without a formal wind up or statement of affairs; no Co. returns were made to the Companies Registration Office during the period of incorporation.

Revenue Response

In relation to the areas of registration, compliance and enforcement, Revenue has stated that procedures regarding registration have been significantly tightened up over the years, and that it should not now be possible to register more than once. Individuals wishing to register must use the PPS No. and provide information on date of birth and mother's maiden name. To the extent to which they could be identified, existing registrations were merged and consolidated with the advent of the Central Registration System, Integrated Taxation Processing and Active Intervention Management. Revenue also advised that a review of all aspects of registration is under way and will be completed in Autumn 2002, with proposed implementation of recommendations by early 2003. The findings and implications of the audit report would be incorporated in the review.

The bringing together of the various registrations within the Central Registration System has enabled caseworkers to get a better overall perspective, and thus ensure that more effective action can be taken against non-compliance. Another example is the recent legislation on offsetting that now allows Integrated Taxation Processing to automatically offset where a tax liability is due or to withhold a repayment until outstanding returns are submitted. The Companies Registration Office system installed in September 2000 is also relevant in this context. The Active Intervention Management system and cross taxhead caseworking approach to non-compliance has been in place for a number of years and the approach had been a significant success in ensuring that debt problems, whether highlighted through current compliance or arrears difficulties, were pursued promptly and efficiently.

A number of legislative changes introduced in recent years have resulted in closer co-operation between Revenue and the Companies Registration Office in policing newly incorporated companies and companies which have just commenced business. Revenue has also issued a form for completion by all dormant companies in order to ascertain their current business status. A company which does not reply may be struck off. Where the response indicated that business activity had not commenced, the matter would be followed up on a regular basis.

Some of the cases identified by the audit predated the caseworking era and Revenue was satisfied that pursuit of the cases would be radically different today. Expertise in pursuing tax debt had been steadily enhanced. Lessons had been learned and remedial changes had been introduced. For example, where the original caseworking guidelines had provided for a graduated customer service type approach to default, that had since given way to a more direct approach with early decision-making and a clear strategy in each case to ensure that default was effectively dealt with at the earliest possible date. Revenue stated that a more critical view was taken of instalment arrangements, especially repeat arrangements, with the taxpayer having to justify an instalment in all cases. Those aspects had been emphasised by training. There had also been considerable enhancement of Revenues enforcement capability with the employment of six firms of solicitors to ensure the effectiveness of Revenues enforcement capability through the Courts.

Because of those developments, Revenue was confident that many of the collection shortcomings identified by my examination could no longer arise. However, Revenue also accepted that the cases brought to attention from the examination demonstrated that some further developments would improve effectiveness and that a number of new measures are in the course of introduction to try and ensure that the problems highlighted can be overcome. Some of the changes were procedural and had been introduced straightaway. Others (referred to under later sections) required more detailed consideration, including possible legal changes, and would take a little longer to introduce.

Revenue Audit

Points in relation to Revenue audit which arose from the examination of selected write off cases were as follows:

there was no facility for input to the audit selection process by anybody outside of the inspectorate e.g. cases being caseworked due to poor payment record were not referred for audit consideration despite the risk to the correctness of returns

information sources which were critical to our examination viz. CRO, Revenue property file and excise licence database, did not appear to be used by Revenue to identify possible tax abuse

there was little evidence of audits in the cases examined, apart from regular VAT audits up the early 1990s. These audits did result in the detection of a high incidence of under-declared liabilities and some instances categorised as evasion. However all cases were not assessed or pursued for the shortfall, action did not appear to be taken against those categorised as evaders, and there was no evidence of specific monitoring of risk cases identified from audit

an audit was initiated in one case when returns were considered too low; the audit revealed substantial underdeclaration of tax due.

Revenue Response

Revenue stated that the compliance and collection programmes are designed to address the failure to comply with payment and filing requirements with direct action, and that an approach to poor payment record cases that involved considering them for audit would not be the most productive use of resources. However, Revenue will consider the inclusion of poor payment compliance as one of the risk factors in the planned computerised risk analysis and risk scoring system which will be used to identify suitable cases for audit. It is intended that an automated process will calculate a risk score by applying rules and weighting to available data such as audit results, third party information, accounts, data from tax returns, intelligence information and trade classification codes. This process will be helped by the current links to the Companies Registration Office database and future linking of all Revenue databases under the LINKS project.

As regards the VAT audits of the sample which were carried out in the early 1990s, Revenue stated that in most cases the undercharges had been dealt with either by restricting repayment or by subsequent submission of the return. Assessments to recover the VAT were not required.

There has been continuous development in the area of monitoring of risk for audit since the 1990s. After 1993, VAT audit programmes were subsumed into the Revenue Audit Programme, and the selection of cases for audit has been based on tax at risk under all tax heads. The computerised risk management system previously described is at contract stage. Other developments in the audit area since the cases dealt with in this report included the AIM case-tracking mechanism and a Code of Practice for Revenue auditors under which all audits go through a set procedure to finality.

As regards cases which were brought to Revenue's attention in the course of my examination, detailed profiling of the principals behind the companies had been undertaken and arrangements were under way to have audits carried out.

Direct Debit

The direct debit facility for payment of taxes allows taxpayers to pay a fixed amount each month by direct debit followed by a single annual return together with any balance due. When operated correctly, the system benefits both the taxpayer and the Revenue compliance workload. However, cases of abuse of this system were noted where traders deliberately underpaid the direct debit amounts giving rise to significant liabilities at annual return stage.

Revenue Response

Revenue is satisfied that measures introduced in the last two years provide an effective mechanism for tackling the problem of deliberate abuse of the direct debit facility viz.

legal provisions to establish a minimum amount of direct debit payment, with back dated interest payments for breaches

the facility is withdrawn from cases with compliance problems, including 'phoenix' cases

a dedicated unit has been established to systematically pursue annual returns in direct debit cases, and apply interest where appropriate.

'No Case Size'

It was noted in a number of instances that a tax debt had accumulated from the early stages after registration without collection activity by Revenue. This arose because in the absence of tax returns or payments, the collection system was not able to determine an appropriate level of estimate, and a case was classified as 'no case size' and remained peripheral to the pursuit/enforcement process.

CASE 3. - Leisure Sector Operator

Operator and family had interests over 12 years in 18 companies which ran 11 bars, nightclubs and hotels; 3 companies are currently 'live', while the others were dissolved or liquidated; Companies Registration Office registration or filing requirements were not fully met for any company.

All of operators companies were partly or totally non-compliant for taxes; some submitted tax returns but did not make payments; companies were registered for Corporation Tax but did not submit returns; a receiver of one of operators companies generated and paid over substantial amounts of tax while running a business which had made no returns while controlled by the operator.

VAT audits of a number of the operators companies identified underpayments and evasion; each was treated on a single case basis, and not linked to the operator.

Current nightclub business is run by a 'fourth generation' company, which received a Tax Clearance Certificate even though it is not registered for VAT or PAYE; previous owner was registered for these taxes.

Excise licences have been issued to this operator up to one year after due date; companies conducting some of the businesses did not have any excise licence, but 'sheltered' under a licence held by unrelated operators of other bars in a complex.

In addition to the write off of €170,000 which was included in the audit sample, there have been 5 other write offs totalling €520,000 in relation to this operator.

Revenue Response

Revenue indicated that the risks of the 'no case' size classification had been under review, and pointed out the complication that a new registration may not start trading immediately and that the issue of estimates could lead to unfounded debt. A solution is currently being implemented with the objective of ensuring that registrations will not remain in the 'no case size' category for longer than six months. All nil return and permanent VAT repayment cases have been moved from 'no case size' to a new category. A computer program development will schedule a series of contacts with new registrations to encourage submission of returns. In the event that this step does not get a response, a visit to the premises will provide the basis for the issue of an informed estimate which will bring the case into the regular pursuit/enforcement process. Where it is established that no trading occurred, the registration will be cancelled.

Tax Issues arising in Particular Sectors

It was noted that a pattern of difficulties arose across a number of cases in two particular business sectors - property development and pubs - and some indication of the issues can be seen from the outline sketches presented in this report from each of the sectors. However it was considered that, side by side with the particular tax risks in each sector, Revenue also had particular risk control advantages in each of these areas through the requirement for formal legal transfers in all property transactions, and the requirement for an annual Excise licence and tax clearance in the licensed trade. General issues arising from limited liability and the corporate veil are considered elsewhere in this report.

Property Development

In the area of property development, there may be a complexity of company and financial arrangements and relationships. A separate legal entity may be established for each property development and, in some cases, a number of separate companies may be formed to deal with aspects of a development including property development, property holding, investment, and management of the completed building. During the course of the development a company can legitimately make VAT repayment claims, and no liability to Corporation Tax arises at that stage. The tax liability invariably arises when the development is complete and properties are being leased or sold. This creates a large VAT and Corporation Tax liability and Revenue is particularly vulnerable to the situation where the development company ceases to trade immediately after the properties are leased or sold without making tax returns or payment. Even if Revenue were monitoring the situation and reacted quickly to raise VAT assessments, it is likely that collection and enforcement activity would be fruitless where legal liability rested with a company which has ceased, leaving only the option of liquidation which is unlikely to recover any of the outstanding tax. With any delay recovery becomes virtually impossible.

Revenue Response

Revenue accepts that more needed to be done to combat the type of abuse of VAT and Corporation Tax identified in the write off cases examined, and a Working Group to recommend proposals in this regard has been established. It seemed clear that legislative changes would be needed to counteract the problem, and Revenue indicated that appropriate proposals would be developed in time for the next Finance Bill.

Pubs, Excise Licences and Tax Clearance

The issue of Tax Clearance Certificates (TCC) by Revenue only to persons who are tax compliant is a strong control. TCCs are required for many areas of business e.g. for public sector contracts, obtaining various licences, and state grants. The audit found that:

companies had obtained TCCs without registering for any tax head

companies obtained TCCs by registering for one tax e.g. Corporation Tax, but not for the taxes which would give rise to their main tax liabilities i.e. VAT and PAYE. In many instances, pubs had obtained TCCs without registering for those taxes

chronic arrears cases subverted the regulations and obtained TCCs simply by changing the name of the business usually by the creation of another company. The tax histories of the company owners were not considered in the vetting of applications for tax clearance

TCCs were issued in serious arrears cases on the foot of a pledge or arrangement to pay off arrears, leaving Revenue at a loss when the arrangement collapsed

A known 'phoenix' case with over 60 employees filed a nil return for PAYE but received a TCC.

Over generous operation of the TCC system undermines the purpose and effectiveness of this control, and misses an opportunity to ensure tax compliance.

Case No. 2 demonstrates how the controls based on the requirement for a Tax Clearance Certificate before obtaining or renewing an Excise Licence can be circumvented.

Revenue Response

Revenue has stated that the requirement for a Tax Clearance Certificate in this area makes a significant contribution to the tax collection effort but acknowledges that it is not foolproof. Efforts have been made over the years to tighten requirements, but difficulties had arisen because the type of action ideally required would conflict with limited liability. However, in light of the cases identified in this report, Revenue has set up a Working Group to prepare proposals which would link the tax clearance requirement with the actual operation of the pub. As the types of remedy envisaged would require legislative change, definite Revenue proposals would be formulated in sufficient time for the next Finance Bill.

Abuse of Limited Liability for Tax Evasion

The findings in this area are considered under the headings of abuse of limited liability, directorships, and 'phoenix' syndrome.

Abuse of Limited Liability

The concept of limited liability allows the formation of a legal entity for the purpose of stated business activities, and limits the possible loss of owners to the amounts which have been invested in the company. The purpose of limited liability is to facilitate the growth of business and investment. However the degree of redress available to any third party is also limited to the net assets of the company. The requirements for setting up and operating a company are set out in company law and policed by the Companies Registration Office, the Department of Enterprise Trade and Employment and, more recently, by the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement. Certain details relating to each company are in the Companies Registration Office including details of directors, company address, and annual returns relating to the operation and financial position as certified by a public auditor.

It is generally understood that the key to successful business dealings with limited companies is accurate information and a close understanding of its business and relationships. As companies can cease trading and wind up with the same ease with which they are formed, and given the limitation of pursuit, it would be considered imprudent to place full reliance on the items of information in the Companies Registration Office, or to await the filing of the minimalist annual returns. Those engaged in major business transactions with companies e.g. banks and main suppliers also ensure that their interests are protected by such facilities as liens and charges, personal guarantees, and the absolute insistence on meeting tight payment deadlines. When dealing with companies, whether with regard to Corporation Tax and Capital Gains Tax or PAYE and VAT, Revenue is operating in exactly the same business sphere, and is effectively competing with the other interests for the cash available to each company. Therefore it has little option but to operate at a similar level. Anything less will lead to a frequent experience of dealing with the remains of a business which has closed and moved on. There will be little left as many companies on the tax system are of the 'close' company type with an issued share capital of €2.50.

In the course of our examination of the tax records of the cases in the sample, related companies and other business interests of principals revealed substantial abuses of the tax system by individuals through abuse of the principle of limited liability or the 'corporate veil'. These individuals did not receive any particular interest from Revenue - even at write off stage. Clear patterns of abuse were identified as follows:

there was extensive use of companies bought 'off-the-shelf' which were activated to operate a business activity for a short period, for example, one to five years, and which then ceased trading, either having not registered for tax, or not made returns, or having run up substantial tax arrears

individuals concealed their business interests under cover of the company veil. Directorships were not declared. Other family members and employees were registered as directors to conceal principal ownership. Concealment was aided by the declaration and registration of a plethora of home and business addresses

in addition to such registration offences, all of the required Companies Registration Office registration information was not supplied. These were also accepted as companies by Revenue.

While there were few instances where Revenue cross checked information with the Companies Registration Office records, information at that source was less than complete for a number of cases reviewed:

there were major information gaps with regard to directorships. A new number is allocated to each newly registered director, but the extent of individual's directorships are concealed by inconsistent declarations of details such as name, address, and date of birth; this makes it impossible to police the limit of 25 directorships per individual

instances were noted where no directors were listed, or less than the number legally required; there was no issued share capital, and the address of the formation office was listed as the address of the new company

there was a low level of annual returns compliance among the companies reviewed; most have been dissolved without provision of the required special motion of dissolution or of a statement of affairs showing the distribution of the company assets.

The Companies Registration Office will only be effective as a general information source and protection for the general public and Revenue when it ensures that complete and correct information is registered in accordance with company law.

However there are further risks for Revenue should the Companies Registration Office embark on a strike-off programme in order to enforce annual returns compliance. This could seriously hinder tax collection as the directors can then walk away from the tax debts of the struck off company, or even choose to bring about such a situation by failing to file annual company returns.

In summary, it was clear that the requirements of incorporation were treated with disdain by the companies reviewed, and that limited liability was merely a device to be used to escape tax obligations. The registration deficiencies must raise questions as to whether the companies created have the legal status to allow them to avail of limited liability. In view of the extent of lost tax revenues, there may also be an onus on Revenue to challenge such status, and to attempt to look beyond the companies and seek out and pursue beneficial owners. However, in a few cases, Revenue has recently pursued a course of action with the objective of obtaining the disqualification of an individual to serve as a director.

Directorships

Points noted were as follows:

individuals had extensive directorships which were not on the tax record

individuals with directorships on the tax records were not monitored as directors

there was little evidence of usage of this information for establishing relationships with other cases; there was no evidence that the directors of companies which dissolved while solvent were pursued for drawings, where there was no indication of any other accountability for the company assets

there was evidence of inter-company asset transfers without the establishment of final tax liability or ultimate beneficiary.

The narrow 'case-based' approach in these instances may have resulted in considerable tax loss.

Phoenix Syndrome

Phoenix syndrome describes a particular area of tax evasion where directors attempt to use the protection of limited liability for the deliberate avoidance of tax liabilities, essentially by ceasing activity under the guise of one company and transferring the assets and business to a 'new' company with a clean tax record. To counter this activity, Revenue monitors a list of approximately 300 companies. It was noted that:

'phoenix' monitoring was focused on companies and not on the individuals behind the companies. Companies created for separate projects by the same principal, and subsequently dissolved leaving substantial assessed and unassessed tax liabilities were not included in the Revenue monitoring programme

the 'phoenix' programme monitored the 'new' company but no action appeared to be taken in relation to the past activities of companies and directors

instances were noted where it appeared that Revenue identified and investigated classic cases of 'phoenix' activity but did not add them to the programme.

Revenue activity in this area can be frustrated where the owner of a business, through careful leasing arrangements, ensures that the former companies do not own any assets against which action can be taken.

Revenue Response

Revenue has indicated its awareness of the dangers that limited liability poses to tax collection, in particular where the principal of a company abuses limited liability by deliberately leaving tax debts unpaid and 'walking away' from insolvent companies. Revenue has stated that, because of the requirements of company law and limited liability, there were essentially only two remedies open to it in dealing with such individuals. Firstly, where such a practice is identified, to closely manage new cases associated with such persons from the start so that early and decisive action is taken where compliance problems develop. The phoenix monitoring programme demonstrated the success of that approach. Secondly, where such a practice was identified through a ceased business, to seek to have directors restricted or disqualified for fraudulent or reckless trading through the liquidation process.

It was also pointed out that the dangers posed by limited liability were not confined to Revenue and reference was made in that regard to the McDowell Report, the subsequent enactment of the Company Law Enforcement Act, 2001, and the establishment of the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, ODCE. It was considered that the ODCE now had real teeth to take action against rogue directors using a 'scorched earth' policy to defraud creditors including Revenue. The ODCE and Revenue can exchange information, and the two agencies are cooperating closely with liaison procedures in place. The Company Law Review Group has also reported on ongoing issues in this area, such as mitigating the effects of strike off for Revenue and other creditors.

In recent years, Revenue had introduced a specific programme for phoenix companies aimed at stopping any build up of arrears in the current trading entity, and had been successful in minimising tax losses. Where the taxpayers co-operation was not forthcoming, enforcement action was taken without delay, and where necessary the company was liquidated. The approach was constantly monitored, and further refinements introduced, for example, seeking earlier identification, and the use of bonding. However, as the modus operandi of the cases identified from our examination did not conform to the classic phoenix outline, revised operational guidelines have been issued to broaden the scope of operations by changing the emphasis from company succeeding company to business succeeding business whether company, partnership or sole trader. At end 2001, 400 companies were intensively monitored under the scheme.

Revenue has stated that the use of the liquidation process was primarily to deal with a situation where 'ordinary' enforcement was not successful and the debts of a company continued to rise. Apart from preventing the rise of debt, Revenue also pursued the possibility of directors being restricted or disqualified and made personally liable for the debts of the company in so far as it was appropriate and possible. However, decisions in those areas were outside of Revenues control and the difficulty arose from the necessity for convincing evidence to be presented to the Court. Liquidators could be reluctant to pursue such possibilities in view of the legal costs involved, although where appropriate Revenue can guarantee funding for liquidators in that regard. A further problem arose in instances where the principal of a company 'resists' turning over the books and records of the company to the liquidator. While recent changes in company law made it more likely that errant directors would be restricted or disqualified, evidence of the impact of the change in practice was awaited.

Many of the companies identified by our examination had long since ceased trading, and the only course of action for Revenue to pursue the companies at this stage would be to apply to the High Court for the appointment of a liquidator on a just and equitable basis. The liquidator would then pursue the directors on the basis that there was a probable debt outstanding from the directors of the company. It was doubtful whether such a course of action would be successful or cost effective based on the age of the debt, the limited and circumstantial information available and the costs involved. Revenues experience would suggest that such a course would not be successful.

Notwithstanding the success of Revenue actions whether in relation to phoenix monitoring or caseworking generally, Revenue considered that it was clear from the cases emanating from our examination that further measures were needed to tackle the problem of people using limited liability as a vehicle for deliberate and sustained non-payment of tax liabilities. The effective elements of the measures which have now been introduced provide for

mandatory checks to identify related cases where there was a history of non-compliance. These checks would be carried out at (a) registration stage (b) where the company had a significant tax debt problem and (c) prior to a write off decision of any significant level of debt

systematic and vigorous pursuit of related cases by a Dedicated Pursuit Unit in the Collector Generals Office. Such pursuit will include the principal plus all related companies, and will be supported where necessary by a co-ordinated cross-Revenue approach ensuring audits in appropriate cases.

The arrangements have already been introduced and the Unit has commenced work in pursuing the cases identified by our examination. Further cases would be brought into the programme as they are identified by caseworkers. Revenue is confident that the particular measures now being implemented provided an appropriate and effective remedy in the identification and subsequent pursuit of people using limited liability for the deliberate non-payment of tax liabilities.

Response of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment

With regard to the role of the CRO the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment accepted that there had been abuses of company law, and indicated that the recognition of such abuses had led to the establishment of the McDowell Group with a mandate to review the compliance and enforcement regimes for company law and to make recommendations to address those issues. The goup's recommendations which sought to strengthen registration-type compliance, to properly enforce company law generally and to provide for the updating of company law on an ongoing basis were given effect by the Company Law Enforcement Act 2001 following which the ODCE was established and resourced to fully and effectively ensure the enforcement of the Companies Acts.

The Department also adverted to combined provisions enacted in company and tax law in 1999 to counter tax abuse in the area of Irish registered non-resident companies. The provisions strengthened Revenues hand by introducing a requirement for newly formed companies to give details of proposed activity, and the ability for a company to be struck off the register for failure to provide information to the Revenue Commissioners. These provisions were specifically designed to enable the Revenue to immediately interact with newly incorporated companies and obtain any necessary information. A failure to supply the information requested can result in the company in question being struck off.

Particular areas covered by the Department's response included the concealment of directorships through the provision of inconsistent information to the Companies Registration Office, the low compliance rate in filing annual returns with the Companies Registration Office and the impact of the strike-off process on Revenues ability to collect outstanding tax liabilities.

The Department stated that the question of the identification of directors had been considered in the First Report of the Company Law Review Group in December 2001. The group concluded that while a formal identification procedure such as is found in certain civil law countries ought not be initiated, consideration should be given to requiring the pre-registration of directors who would at all times subsequently identify themselves on CRO filings by reference to their PPS number with parallel provisions for non Irish-resident directors. The Government had accepted that recommendation and the legislation to give it effect was currently being drafted.

The Department indicated that while there had, historically, been a low level of compliance with annual filing requirements, that had been one of the issues which the McDowell group had sought to address. By 2001 the compliance rate of 85% showed a considerable improvement over the 1997 level of 36%, and further improvement is needed. The initial improvement in compliance followed an extensive strike-off campaign carried out by the CRO. With effect from October 2001, a severe late filing penalty provided for in the Company Law Enforcement Act, 2001, was introduced and the strike off campaign was rolled back. The CRO is keeping under review the success of the late filing penalty in bringing about a satisfactory level of compliance and will use other enforcement processes as necessary.

The Act also provides for on-the-spot fines as an additional instrument for encouraging compliance and as an alternative to the more resource demanding court prosecutions. While it is open to the Registrar of Companies to prosecute companies and their directors (and that is regularly done), it is difficult to deal with the large numbers involved through that mechanism.

The Department also stated that the strike-off process, which had now been relegated to use as an instrument of last resort for dealing with non-compliant companies, had no effect on Revenue's ability to collect outstanding tax liabilities. Where there were sufficient assets to recover, the company could be easily restored to the register at the time of the appointment of a liquidator. If directors had deliberately disposed of their assets to avoid taxation (or other debts) the continuing existence or non-existence of the company was not the material issue. The Company Law Enforcement Act, 2001, established for the first time a real distinction in law between "Voluntary" and "Involuntary" strike off of a company. Where a company is struck off the register as part of the enforcement process, it is now open to the Director of Corporate Enforcement to seek the disqualification of the directors pursuant to the Companies Act 1990. Where a company itself requests strike off, the registrar will only agree to the request provided that the company files all outstanding returns and accounts, places an advertisement in a newspaper and secures the agreement of the Revenue Commissioners. No companies have been struck off compulsorily since these changes have come into effect but the registrar reserves the right to use this process as provided for by law where absolutely necessary.

Conclusions

The task of Revenue is to collect due taxes from the assessed activities of more than two million taxpaying entities. By and large this is achieved through the acceptance of key procedures e.g. PAYE, tax returns, and the co-operation of the taxpaying public with the minimum contact. The process could hardly operate in any other way given the scale of the numbers involved. However, there is an ongoing risk that persons will attempt to evade tax liabilities through a recognition of the pressure under which the system operates, and by either attempting to hide within the great number of taxpayers and taxpayer activity or, should the attention of the system fall on them, by maximising the extent of Revenue action necessary thereby making the cost to the system so high that Revenue will 'go away'.

In undertaking this in depth examination of some of the largest write off cases in 2000, one might have expected to find one or two 'bad eggs' among a selection of cases which just ended up as write offs for a variety of mundane reasons, for example, genuine business collapse, unfortunate change in personal circumstances. However, there must be considerable concern regarding the number of cases in the sample, involving the use of private limited companies that confirm at least elements of the 'hide or frustrate' approach. This raises questions not only about the adequacy of write off procedures but also, more importantly, about the extent to which Revenue is geared to deal with those attempting extensive tax evasion under cover of limited liability.

Revenue's debt reduction policy incorporating the write-off strategy has proved to be an efficient and effective means of tackling the problem of long outstanding tax arrears as well as allowing resources to be diverted to the prevention of new debt arising. Notwithstanding the success of that policy Revenue's response to the findings of this report recognises that improvements have to be made to its procedures in order to ensure that the risk of tax being inappropriately written off is minimised.

There is a strong message from the findings of this report that write offs, or at least certain categories of write off, must be subjected to a sharper review in the knowledge of what might have transpired in each case. Consideration must also be given to the issue of what may have been included in other significant write offs in recent years. A more time-consuming review of proposed write off cases over a predetermined monetary value, including cross checking with related registrations and principals and other information sources, should pay dividends in the management and control of future cases. Pursuit, even through the legal system, cannot only be on the basis of rate of return, and Revenue's recent use of liquidations to seek restriction and disqualification of directors are valuable steps along this road. There must be possibilities also of using the failure of companies to meet many Companies Registration Office and Revenue requirements to persuade the Courts to withdraw the protection of limited liability and render the directors liable for outstanding taxes.

A considerable portion of the report is devoted to the tax evasion issues arising from limited liability as this would appear to provide serious problems for Revenue. This is hardly surprising given the reality of the figures for 2001 - about 146,000 live companies and 1,200 being formed and 600 struck off each month - together with the possibility of a lack of complete or accurate information and time lags before a problem would become known to Revenue. The evader pays lip service to the requirements of Companies Registration Office and Revenue registration and returns but uses the concept of limited liability to avoid pursuit. Revenue's weapons are time-consuming liquidation and future monitoring where the connections have been identified.

In the business world, the institutions financing such private companies and their main suppliers prevent the possibility of similar losses by successfully penetrating the company veil by way of such facilities as liens and charges in advance, personal guarantees, and the absolute insistence on meeting tight payment deadlines, backed up by the threat of refusing future facility. Revenue in contrast cannot as easily choose its customers, although this is partially countered by the ability to propose amendments to rules and legislation when such a requirement is identified. The message from the practices of the business world is that the focus must be on prevention.

On the basis of the findings of the report, consideration should be given to implementing whatever changes are required to bring about closer co-operation between the Revenue and the Companies Registration Office to prevent a prospective tax evader from playing one institution against the other, and from using the facility of the limited liability of a private company to hide the identity and ultimately the tax liability of the directors from Revenue. The improved enforcement of company law, and the general application of the proposed identification of all directors by PPS Number will be of major benefit.

Revenue has already addressed some of the shortcomings identified by my examination by changing certain procedures and through the development and implementation of new technologies to enable it to adopt a more integrated approach to the collection of tax arrears. Increased application of sophisticated technology tools by Revenue should gradually improve performance in identifying and collecting outstanding tax. But these developments on their own will not have optimum effect without changes in the law to strengthen Revenue's hand in a number of specific areas highlighted in this report. In this regard, Revenue has reacted positively to the report by implementing administrative changes and preparing legislative proposals to give effect to the necessary countermeasures.

Mr. Purcell

Thank you, Chairman. Section 4.7 of my report covers a lot of ground and is in effect a report within a report. It represents the result of an examination carried out by my staff over an 18 month period of some of the bigger cases of tax written off in 2000. The original thrust of the work was to try to establish the circumstances leading to the write-off in each case with a view to ascertaining how similar write-offs might be averted in future. However, initial scrutiny of the associated papers relating to some of the individuals and their businesses involved in the write-offs led us to believe there may have been deliberate abuse of the tax system. It appeared that some individuals had been playing ducks and drakes with the Revenue by succeeding in continuing their business affairs through related companies without detection while at the same time benefiting from tax write-offs. I therefore reoriented the examination towards identifying the extent of these activities, the relationships between various business entities, the methods used to escape tax and the overall lessons for the tax collection system. Cross-checking Revenue and company registration office records was particularly useful in this respect.

During the examination the findings were communicated to Revenue so that corrective action could be taken on an ongoing basis as appropriate. Revenue reacted very positively to the ongoing findings and this, combined with the normal Revenue in-house development of enhanced controls, has resulted in considerable tightening up in a number of areas. Other areas required a legislative approach and this has been put in hand by Revenue.

I will highlight some points in the report as being more notable without assigning a particular importance or otherwise to them. The first point I would make is that all the information available in Revenue was not brought to bear on the decision to write-off tax at the time. More timely and effective intervention on non-compliance would probably have led to the collection of some of the arrears which were ultimately written off. Particular risks to tax that arise in property development and the bar trade need to be addressed. Tax clearance certification needs to be applied more stringently. There is clearly a need for better co-ordination of the work of the Revenue Commissioners and the Companies Registration Office. That would be of considerable benefit to anti-evasion work. The specific Revenue programme to combat the phoenix company syndrome needed to be broadened to cover all business activities associated with principals who had previously abused limited liability. Recent developments in company law and its enforcement should help Revenue in cases where the so-called corporate veil has been historically used to avoid detection.

At one level this sounds like an indictment of Revenue and its effectiveness but in fairness it has to be seen in the context of Revenue's overall performance in recent years in building up compliance and maintaining and improving collection, not to mention many worthwhile development initiatives. It will always need a disproportionate amount of time, effort and resources to catch up with the determined tax evader but within reasonable limits there has to be relentless pursuit and a commensurate punishment regime if the credibility of our tax system is to be upheld.

Before I conclude, I want to correct a point of detail in the report for the record. It is the last bullet point on page 24. A month or so after clearance of the report by Revenue and its publication, Revenue informed me that it had become aware that residential property tax had previously been received from the taxpayer in relation to the property in question and that further amounts of residential property tax were being pursued. That is information which came to light after publication of the report.

Would Mr. Daly like to make a brief opening statement and perhaps confine it to paragraph 4.7?

Thank you, Chairman. I have provided a general statement to the committee but I will confine my remarks to 4.7. I want to refer briefly to the preceding paragraph which puts write-offs in context. In the general business environment, write-offs would be classified as bad debts and Revenue, in common with all other tax administrations worldwide, most large financial institutions and many commercial firms, has to suffer a certain level of bad debt. Not all business ventures are successful. Some will fail and people get into financial difficulty. It is a fact of life, therefore, that certain bad debts will have to be written off and while we would prefer that figure to be nil, in the overall context a total of €140 million written off in 2001 should be viewed in the context of gross tax collection of nearly €38 billion that year. The most important aspect for Revenue, and this leads me into paragraph 4.7, is that we tackle the problem at source by taking timely and robust action against late payment and non-payment of tax and that where we have to write off tax, we do that only when our most intensive efforts to recover it have been exhausted.

On paragraph 4.7, the Comptroller and Auditor General's report highlights shortcoming which relate to the practices of some years ago in many cases. There is no doubt that there were shortcomings as highlighted by the intensive investigation by the C&AG, and there is no doubt that improvements were and are necessary. Many of these have been rectified already and I appreciate the acknowledgement by the Comptroller this morning that this has been done. We have given and continue to give significant priority to addressing other difficulties. Our working of write-off cases has improved immensely in recent years. Pursuit of the type of case highlighted in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report would be radically different today. While it would be naive to say that we will always get it right, especially when we are dealing with millions of tax transactions every year, it is highly unlikely that the outcome in these cases would have been the same if they were being dealt with now. We fully accept that there is always scope for improvement.

We are in the course of introducing a number of measures to increase our effectiveness in the areas highlighted by the Comptroller and Auditor General. We have greatly increased our focus on the directors and principals behind companies to ensure a concerted collection effort is made against all associated entities. In this context, since mid 2002, all limited company write-off cases over €75,000 are subject to a so-called commonality check. This is a check where the case worker examines all the linkages behind the case and, where appropriate, transfers that case to a dedicated pursuit unit now specialising in that type of work.

We are also exploring legal changes to combat deliberate non-payment of tax by companies, particularly in the pub-hotel and property development sectors. Some of these measures, on which I can expand if the committee wishes, may require legislation. The cases examined in depth by the Comptroller and Auditor General illustrate the real danger that abuse of limited liability can pose to tax collection. The Revenue fully supports the principle of limited liability. We recognise its value to business and to this country, but it may be appropriate at this stage to consider some diminution of the protection it affords where there is clear evidence that it is being abused in order to avoid tax liabilities.

One of the threads running through this project audit was the non-availability to Revenue case workers of all the information that Revenue and the CRO had on the cases. The implementation of a new computerised risk analysis system in Revenue later this year, together with two data linking tools, links and profiler, already in place, will considerably improve this position. Since September 2000, we have had full access to the database of the Companies Registration Office, which is of enormous benefit to us in making linkages.

As tax written off can always be restored to the record, it is never definitively gone. We have reopened all the cases highlighted by the Comptroller and Auditor General and we are investigating the affairs of the entities involved and the principals behind them. Furthermore, we are retrospectively applying the commonality checks in a look back at all business write-off cases in 2001 and early 2002 where tax written off exceeded €100,000. This look back is now almost completed and a very small number of cases have been referred for further examination and any special action required will be taken. Where related companies and individuals are being monitored in our phoenix unit, we will put into another unit - the dedicated pursuit unit which operates largely on the same basis - cases where there are linkages among the principals behind the companies. As a consequence of this look back, tax may be written back on the record in a small number of cases. I believe it will be one or two at most. Special pursuit arrangements will apply to those cases just as in future they will apply to any currently identified cases.

That is a general comment. Three particular cases were highlighted by the Comptroller and Auditor General in his report, which are illustrated in the form of the three shaded boxes. If the committee wishes, I can give a general picture of the current status of our inquiries in each of these cases, subject to the caveat that I cannot go into the detail of them as confidentiality constraints apply to them.

That would be useful.

Perhaps we should wait because there may be a run down on dealing with them and we might want that information prior to dealing with them.

I welcome Mr. Daly. When I prepared questions in this regard yesterday I did not have the benefit of his opening remarks and, therefore, I ask him to forgive me if I ask questions with which he has dealt. I will put my questions in the order of the information on the pages before me. We should await the run down on the three specific cases, which are fairly startling.

With regard to the improvements taking place, while I accept that things are changing, I recall that similar comforting remarks were made in the early 1990s, some of which I am sure would have related to these cases. We were assured then that these things could not happen again. I hope that as we tease this out, the controls have been tightened up.

In several reactions by Revenue to the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, it is indicated that legislation may be needed. Have any such initiatives been taken in the Finance Bill? Has Revenue taken advantage of the opportunity presented by that Bill to introduce some of those proposed initiatives? Why was there such a separation between the activities of the CRO and the activities of Revenue? Why was action not taken in the past in this regard?

On page 20, reference is made to the write-offs remaining being an internal management matter. Can Revenue give an assurance that the taxpayers or institutions involved will not be made aware that they are the subject of a write-off? Will they continue to believe that Revenue is likely to pursue them? It is important that people would not get used to the idea that the Revenue might write off a case.

It is stated also on page 20 that Revenue gave the Comptroller and Auditor General a guarantee that the revised write-off procedures should not be seen as giving the message that if Revenue was ignored for long enough it would go away. However, in his report the Comptroller and Auditor General states that it became apparent from an early stage in the examination of a number of cases that the people and their business had not ceased, but often had multiple ongoing business involvements which gave every indication of deliberate abuse of the tax system. Surely that contradicts the Revenue's comment. I would be interested to hear Mr. Daly's reaction to these comments.

There are no specific proposals in this year's Finance Bill in relation to any of the legislative changes that are needed. There is a good reason for that. To explain it I need to broadly indicate the types of changes we are seeking. In essence, they are changes that will need fairly wide consultation. I can give members a quick flavour of them and why consultation would be needed.

One of our proposals would be to restrict limited liability to make persons controlling companies responsible for unpaid tax liabilities of these companies. This would relate only to fiduciary taxes, that is, taxes that have been taken by a company from an employee or VAT that has been collected by the company and is essentially held in trust for Revenue. It would apply only if there was a history of default or non-tax compliance on the part of the principal behind that company. This is the system that applies in the United States. Any diminution of limited liability would be of considerable interest not just to the business community in this country but to the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, the Department of Finance, the Attorney General and also, probably, the company law reform group. A considerable amount of consultation is needed and there would not have been time to do that in the context of this year's Finance Bill.

One of the other proposals relates to excise licences. There is not a good fit between the excise licence regime and the tax regime, as it were, and we will propose that the issue of excise licences be dependent on the tax compliance of each business operating in the premises and not just the tax compliance of the person who happens to hold the licence. Increasingly in the leisure industry and the pub industry, the licence is held by one individual and one or, in some cases, more than one individual may be carrying on the business in the premises. Again, we will need advice on this from the Attorney General and others. There is a possible argument that a licence is property and that attaching an extraneous liability onto a piece of property may be in conflict with some of our other legislation or the Constitution. There is a counter argument to that. We would argue that the person holding the licence and who owns the premises can control who does business in the premises and can set conditions for them. That may be the balancing argument but advice would be needed from the Office of the Attorney General in that regard and, perhaps, wider consultation. Some of the trades bodies representing people who operate in that business might have views on that area.

We are also proposing that the penalty for trading without an excise licence, which is now €1,265 for an offence in any one year, should be changed to the maximum District Court penalty of €3,000 which would apply for each illegal trading detection during the year. If there is continuous illegal trading, the fine or penalty continues to be ratcheted up. We will also propose that in cases where there is continued illegal trading, mandatory seizure of the stock and mandatory closure of the premises should be considered.

How many pubs in Dublin are owned by an individual and rented out to another individual? What proportion of the pubs that are rented are in default? Are the rents too high for some of the pubs?

We will be dealing with that in the second example. It is the leading question in that section.

I can mention other things we are suggesting for legislation.

It is one of our jobs to ensure that changes are put in place.

The Deputy will see there is reference to section 4(a) of the VAT Act in the report, although there are no great indications that it was abused in any of the cases. This is the situation where somebody, let us say a property developer, sells a property after it has been developed to somebody else who has deductability under the tax Acts, and instead of charging the VAT and then remitting the VAT to us, after which the person who buys the property sends us a VAT repayment claim for the same amount within a couple of days, is allowed set it off under a simplification provision in the VAT Act. An unscrupulous property developer will not avail of that simplification measure. They will charge the purchaser the VAT, the purchaser will pay the VAT but they will not remit it to us. In the meantime, of course, the purchaser, quite rightly and legally, claims repayment of the VAT from us.

We are considering a proposal that section 4(a), at present an optional simplification measure, should be made a mandatory measure where there is——

We will get to that point later. Is that the reason that in some cases we pay back more than we take in?

That would explain it. In the case highlighted in the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, that would explain approximately €10 million.

We will also propose the grouping, for the purposes of VAT, of taxable persons in property companies where the same person is the principal behind them and where one of the companies has defaulted on VAT. We can already do this to persons who are closely bound by financial, economic and organisational links. It is an existing anti-evasion measure. The two entities are treated as one for VAT purposes. The question is, and we have to examine it because there are legal issues involved, whether this can be extended to property companies. The effect of it would be to allow a VAT repayment claim for a compliant company within the group to be offset against the liabilities of another company within the group.

Finally, we are proposing that VAT repayments to property development companies would be conditional on certain information being provided. There is often a difficulty in establishing who is the principal behind a development project. In practice, we can only get that information when the company has an incentive to give it to us, that is, when the company is making a VAT repayment claim. We are proposing that making VAT repayments to property development companies would be conditional on information being given to the inspector relating to the development itself, who is behind it and who is financing it.

That is a shopping list of six proposals. There is a considerable amount of research and consultation to be done in relation to each of them. That is being done at present. We have put these on the table, as it were, and written to the Department of Finance. They are under active consideration in that Department.

I will move to the next damning comments from the Comptroller and Auditor General, on page 22. He states that a more comprehensive tax history would have resulted in different conclusions and decisions on the collectability of outstanding taxes in a number of cases reviewed. Does Mr. Daly accept that conclusion? I note the underspend on wages and salaries so it would not appear to be a staffing problem. Can we be assured that individuals who are the subject of write-offs are appropriately monitored, as the Comptroller and Auditor General suggests, to minimise future cases? Monitoring seems to have been the major problem. The dedicated pursuit unit sounds a little threatening. The worry, as we will see in the examples, is that the Revenue Commissioners are not aware of some of these people. How will they be pursued by the new unit?

There are a number of aspects to this. I accept, as was said in the report, that these were not monitored. There was not whole case management of these companies, if I may use that phrase. Part of the problem in the Revenue Commissioners in the past, and it has been aired previously at this committee, is that we had a huge amount of information and access to a large number of sources but we were not as effective as we might have been in putting that information together and making it available to the people who are making decisions in write-off, audit and so forth.

We have advanced significantly in that area with a mixture of approaches. First, we have significantly tightened up the registration processes. This is the start, where the company registers, sets up and begins to do business. We have a close link with the Companies Registration Office. The Deputy asked earlier why we did not have that some years ago. I cannot give a definitive answer but perhaps it was indicative of different thinking at the time. Different organisations and arms of the State did their own business and did not talk to each other as much as they should have. That has totally changed and we now have an excellent working relationship with the CRO. We have full access to its database. We also have an excellent working relationship with the director of corporate enforcement, which is relevant in the context of addressing abuses by companies. We start at registration by finding out exactly who is behind the business, placing them on our database, building up every piece of information we know about the company, the people behind it and the business they are doing, through the types of technology I have mentioned, including the links profiler project. Later this year, we will have a computerised risk analysis system in Revenue which will pull all the information we know about every company together and into which we can feed risk parameters. We have already signed the contract and it is at an advanced stage of development. Out of that we will get indications of where the risks are and what companies we should be chasing.

From a structural point of view we are in the middle of the most fundamental restructuring of Revenue. We will be 80 years old tomorrow week. In that time there has not been a huge change in the structures of the Revenue Commissioners. In the context of this question, the current restructuring leads to a whole case management approach being taken across the organisation. If one looks at the property developer case, one of the problems highlighted by the Comptroller and Auditor General was that this individual was registering for trades in different areas of Revenue depending on what trade or business he was engaged in. We were not making the linkages between him and his companies. In future, everything will link back to the individual and the company and all the affairs of that particular company will be managed in one office by one team of people. Therefore, they will have a very clear view of what is going on.

We already have a large cases division to tackle cases such as this one where there is extensive property development, wealth and activity. They will manage those cases carefully, sitting on them to a large extent, so to speak. We will have a regional approach for the rest of Revenue where the region will fully manage cases in their area. Within each of those regions and divisions there will be what is called the special projects unit. Its function will be to know what is going on in the region, including the economic activity, who is accumulating wealth, the businesses running big projects and whether we are sure of what they are up to. That structural development within Revenue will address many of the concerns that have been raised here.

To go back to the original point, which is quite valid, we did not make the linkages in the past, as we should have done.

Perhaps you might give us an update on that case, Mr. Daly. Do you want to do so?

I would like to bring it into the arena if you do not mind, Chairman. Will the full details of this appear on the record? If not, we will need to read it into the record. I presume it will appear on the record of the meeting. The facts are startling, Chairman.

It will appear on the record, yes.

Case No. 1, as it is described, refers to a property developer where the company literally paid nothing. There was a write-off of €442,000 in corporation tax from 1988, but the developer and his family were involved in at least 35 active, million-plus property development companies during the 1990s, including several major industrial estates, office blocks, apartment blocks, townhouse schemes and a shopping centre with recent developments valued at over €125 million. In dealing with the Revenue Commissioners they had 35 companies registered for corporation tax, 25 for VAT and none for PAYE-PRSI. I could continue to read down through this, but it is frightening.

It will appear on the record. We want to go on to questions, please.

Not alone was the State being ripped off by all this but I presume that the employees were not paying anything either as a result of this debacle. I presume that if one of them had emerged with the old RSI number it would have given somebody a tracking device. No matter how archaic the facilities were, and even if they had used the quill pen of 80 years ago, this is an indictment of the Revenue Commissioners. We will deal with the pubs later and I appreciate that is a separate issue about which Deputy Ardagh has raised a couple of questions.

As regards the property developer case, it is amazing to think that somebody could register 35 companies all of which are undertaking multi-million euro business activities, yet they were not on the Revenue Commissioner's agenda. I would like to hear Mr. Daly justifying that, if possible.

Mr. Daly might like to reply to case No. 1 before I call Deputy McCormack.

Thank you, Chairman. This is not a pretty case, Deputy, and I am not here to defend what happened, either in this case or any of the others. I would like to make one point, however, because I wish it to be clear that the case workers in Revenue who dealt with these cases did so quite properly in accordance with the procedures at the time. Anything I say, therefore, is not a reflection on any of the staff in Revenue who worked on the cases; it is rather a reflection on the system and procedures that we had in place at the time.

On the property developer case, as it is called, the committee will appreciate that I have to be careful. I know that no names are being mentioned here but, in fact, they could be inferred because of the unique circumstances of some of these cases. People could put two and two together and try to identify people. The Comptroller and Auditor General has already corrected the record in the sense that €52,395 was paid in RPT and interest in respect of the residence. That is the last bullet point on the shaded paragraph. I should acknowledge that this error was Revenue's rather than the Comptroller and Auditor General's. We should have picked this up when the draft report was sent to us.

The very first bullet point talks about the developer's personal tax amnesty payment of €79,000 in 1988 being considered inadequate by Revenue. This may imply that Revenue may have accepted an inadequate amount without question. In fact, that amnesty submission was referred on to our investigation branch and an additional €16,000 or so was collected by way of repayment restriction.

Does that contradict the Comptroller and Auditor General's comment that no further payment was ultimately demanded? Is that incorrect?

In relation to the residential property?

No. I am referring to what Mr. Daly is reading from the first bullet point. The Comptroller and Auditor General commented that no further payment was ultimately demanded. Is Mr. Daly suggesting that is incorrect and that €16,000 was demanded?

Certainly, €16,000 was collected by way of repayment restriction, yes. I am reporting on further investigations that we have done on these cases, so that information may well not have been available to the Comptroller and Auditor General when he wrote the report. His report is not incorrect. This is simply an updating.

Thank you, Mr. Daly.

The second bullet correctly identifies a corporation tax write-off of €442,000 as an estimated assessment in one company. Our updated inquiries indicate that the actual liability in this case was considerably less. It was in the region of €250,000, but again I stress, Deputy, that would not——

Is that an update?

That is an update.

Is it an update of the exact situation as of now?

It is, yes. We are actively pursuing the main principal behind this company for this liability. The other principal involved at the time is retired and has no means or assets to speak of. He is an elderly gentleman. There is no point in pursuing him at this time.

With regard to the dealings with the Revenue, the impression might arise that very little tax was paid by the companies in question and by the developer and his family. In fact, some €2.2 million of VAT in net terms, that is, the excess of payments over repayments, and some €2.7 million in other taxes has been paid by these and associated companies. The section 4(a) provisions, referred to earlier, have accounted for almost €10 million in VAT. Furthermore, the developer and his family have paid some €750,000 in personal taxes.

I wish to make one final point on this sample case. It is not unusual for property development companies not to be registered for PAYE and PRSI. Very often subcontractors are used rather than employees and in such circumstances tax is accounted for through the relevant contract system. I do not want to be definite on the question of whether employees were ripped off, because this case has been investigated by our inspectors and I do not interfere in the detail of any audit or investigation. However, my impression is that very few employees were involved in this whole process. It is very much a family affair.

A comprehensive examination of the tax affairs of this developer, his companies and immediate family is well advanced. In fact, there are some 72 resident associated companies identified to date and full statements of affairs have recently been received from each of the family members, accompanied by extensive schedules and documentation. It is a big ongoing investigation and it will take some time. The developer, his company and his family are co-operating with the Revenue but it is too early at this stage to give a detailed report on the outcome.

I would appreciate if the committee was provided with a note on the updated position on these cases. In one instance a company was found to be active but had a dormant status. The Comptroller and Auditor General's report goes on to state that, according to the CRO, who may wish to comment, at least one of the companies has always been dormant, even though it had constructed two town house developments and an apartment block in the early 1990s, which had sold for €10 million. Could an entity registered as a dormant company proceed with this type of work?

There appears to be a conflict between what Mr. Daly and the Comptroller and Auditor General has told us. Mr. Daly said that write-offs have only occurred when the most intensive efforts have been made. By contrast, in his report the C&AG indicated that all information available to Revenue was not used in the decision to write-off. I understand he was referring in this instance to checking and cross-checking companies offices, especially those that have gone dormant.

In his report, the C&AG states that the amount of revenue outstanding for the year 1994-95 was almost £2 billion. He goes on to report that £509 million of this arose because of cases cancelled by the Inspector of Taxes, usually on the basis that the firms concerned had ceased trading. The dogs in the street know that several companies that cease to trade resume under a different identify. In his cross-check of company records, etc., the C&AG examined 25 companies. Given that the Revenue Commissioners would have greater resources to examine companies, why is there not a greater cross-check against company records? According to the C&AG, it became apparent from an early stage in the examination that in a number of cases business had not ceased but there were multiple ongoing business involvements which gave every indication of deliberate abuse of the tax system. I fail to see why that was not detected. Somebody has been very lax, apart altogether from the incorrectness of the last paragraph on page 24.

The situation with regard to pub businesses is worse.

A number of Deputies have questions to raise, so I will ask Mr. Purcell to respond before calling on the CRO.

Mr. Purcell

There is no conflict between me and the Accounting Officer or Revenue. The position in 2000, when these write-offs were made, is unsatisfactory. The Accounting Officer has accepted that. It represented a systematic failure, applying to all write-offs. While write-offs would be reviewed, inspectors or officers involved in recommending them would only have for consideration the cases in which they were involved. A basic criticism in my report is that they did not have access to all of the information necessary to make a proper judgment. That is being rectified.

In this instance there appears to be a conflict in that all the information available to the Revenue was not examined. Mr. Daly pointed out that write-offs have occurred only after the most extensive efforts have been made. That is not relevant to 2002, but it is relevant to the matter under consideration.

It is a question of timing, as the C&AG has said. We acknowledge that when these cases arose in 2000, the case worker involved did not have all the information. Our position today is that we do not want to write off any tax. I get write-off reports which, as Accounting Officer, I must sign. Nobody else can make the decision to write-off. I get such reports perhaps twice a month and, to put it bluntly, I probably begrudge signing them. However, I must do so. Nevertheless, Revenue as a whole now wishes to be, and I believe is, in the position that we do not write off tax unless we have exhausted every possible avenue to collect it.

Deputy McCormack also referred to the monitoring of cases like this. We have, and have had for some years, what we call a phoenix operating unit. This is a unit which is specially there to monitor the affairs of businesses who fail today, who walk away and who reappear tomorrow with a different name but with essentially the same business and the same employees. At present our phoenix unit is monitoring about 400 of those companies and we sit on them very closely. We hassle them, I should say, to a great extent. Last year we put two of them into liquidation and 18 others, simply because of the attention they were getting from Revenue, either ceased trading or liquidated voluntarily.

Where we did not go far enough is that in that phoenix operation we were monitoring places where a company failed and reappeared as a company the following day. What we were not doing was making the link back to the principals, the people behind the companies, and that is what has been highlighted in the Comptroller and Auditor General's audit. That is where we have rectified the situation and that is what this dedicated pursuit unit in Limerick is actually doing.

Are you doing cross-checks with the Companies Office to establish the directors, etc.?

Absolutely. Since the middle of 2002, before we write off any tax we do what is called a commonality check. The case worker, who is recommending to me that the tax should be written off, has to present me with a form on which the case worker states that he or she has done this commonality check and that includes interrogating the CRO database to see are there any linkages between the principals behind the company.

Deputy Dennehy asked me a specific question to which I did not respond, about whether we tell taxpayers that we are writing off tax. No, we do not, we leave them worrying.

I am glad to hear that since July 2002 we are doing that, but we are dealing with a period previous to that and we have to deal with the report that is before us. I appreciate very much that the matter has been tightened up, but that is less than a year ago.

I referred to the fact that I did ask for a look-back to be done. Because these commonality checks were introduced in mid 2002, I did ask for a look-back to be done for all business write-off cases over €100,000 in 2001 and in 2002 up to the time we introduced these checks, in other words, to do these checks now looking back at the write-offs we did in the earlier years. As I said, that is largely complete. Out of it have emerged something like two cases where there are problems and we have brought those back into the fold.

Two out of how many were checked?

I can get that information.

It seems like a very low return in my opinion.

With regard to the write-offs, it surprises me that you wait for six years. It is a wonder that there is not an inquiry at 12 months or two years, that the tax is invariably written off after six years. If a preventative medicine approach was adopted, there would be a greater possibility of getting back the money at an earlier stage and it would be identified earlier.

That is a very valid point, Chairman. One of our problems was that we were not intervening early enough in the past. Again I would say that is something which has radically changed in Revenue. Once debt begins to build up at all, once returns are outstanding, once tax is outstanding, our whole policy is to intervene very quickly, very early and very robustly. We do it with a mixture of approaches. At the soft end of it, if I can put it this way, you would have a customer service approach, which says, if a company is in trouble, sometimes it can be a genuine cashflow problem and we recognise that. We are not in the business of stifling initiative or stifling business. If a company is getting itself into trouble, we are prepared to do a deal with them in terms of instalment payments. I stress they would be interest bearing instalment payments to make sure there is equity here.

However, if they are not in that area and if they are beginning to abuse the system or become non-compliant, then we use enforcement powers very quickly. We have sheriffs. We have six external solicitors enforcing debt. We liquidate companies. We are taking exemplary action beyond that where there are really hard cases. We have gone to the courts for court instalment orders. We use attachment. We have in one or two cases - but I may be wrong in the numbers - actually gone for bankruptcy.

But your point is quite valid. In the past we did not intervene early enough. The debt collection process was largely process driven. It was a series of reminders and letters, and then eventually the sheriff came knocking on the door and it was too late.

Do you think that liquidation time is too late, that the money is gone at that stage? When you come to liquidation, invariably there is nothing left.

We do put companies into liquidation. Sometimes we do, in that process, hope to recover money from the assets. Sometimes the objective is maybe to take High Court action to restrict the directors. But I have to say you are quite right, that is largely after the event and the better option and the better solution is to intervene early and collect the money.

Before you bring in the CRO, Chairman, could I ask that you take case No. 2 as well? May we discuss that first because they are referred to again? There are a couple of questions like why the companies are registered, etc.

There are many Deputies offering questions.

This is what today's meeting is about. We have to deal with example No. 2. That is what the work has gone into. In the case of publicans A and B, Chairman, as you will know from having read it, publican A owned three pubs——

I will ask Mr. Daly for an update on that.

I want to ask a couple of questions on it, Chairman. A famous French hotelier and a famous actress said that only little people paid taxes. I welcome the common sense approach to business, but the case of these two publicans is startling. There were two publicans switching pubs between one another. No annual returns were sent to the CRO. They traded for years.

Do you have questions?

How could someone obtain a tax clearance certificate without registering for VAT or PAYE? Surely it is like getting a sick note without attending a doctor. It is a contradiction. That question covers the whole issue.

There is a further question for the Companies Registration Office. These companies ceased to trade and were dissolved. There were no annual returns sent to the CRO. This covers a period of three years at a minimum. How could that happen?

At this stage, I call the Companies Registration Office.

Mr. Paul Farrell (Registrar of Companies, Companies Registration Office) called and examined.

Mr. Farrell, would you like to comment on the debate so far?

Mr. Farrell

I was planning to confine my remarks to the questions that were addressed to us rather than to the generality of statements. The first point I would make, in respect of case No. 1, is it makes a reference to dormancy of companies. Irish company law does not recognise a concept of dormancy. There have been recent cases mentioned of a UK company which had been dormant in another instant, but in Irish company law there is no such concept. What is accurately stated in the Comptroller and Auditor General's text is that the accounts registered with us reflected the idea of dormancy in the sense that presumably they were nil/nil on both sides - no assets/no liabilities.

I would comment - it does pick up from the Deputy's question in respect of case No. 2 as well - that the problem we find more generally is in getting companies to file accounts. If they have filed accounts, which have been audited and which show whatever they show, we tend to place them on the public record as having been audited by an auditor and that is the way the Companies Act reflects that. Historically there is this question of non-compliance - which brings us to case No. 2 - with the requirement to file returns. It is something which runs through the Comptroller and Auditor General's report and therefore I might as well put it into a slightly wider context. That is something which has been recognised as a very serious problem going back five years when it was widely reported that 13% of companies filed on time, and that was most unsatisfactory.

That has changed year by year to where filing on time with tight criteria is now more than 70%. The transformation in that period is satisfactory. I hope we have a satisfactory rate of change, if not yet a satisfactory level of compliance. We intend to continue over the next year with the steps that we have taken in recent years, particularly late filing penalties and so forth, and I hope move away from the strike-off process that was essential for dealing with the big numbers when we were going back given that most of these companies had genuinely gone away. That was our strategy at that time and that enabled us to have a major clear-out. All our steps are now taken in dialogue with the Revenue Commissioners but late filing penalties are the preferred deterrent for companies for not filing. That addresses those two while not specifically saying why any one company would not have filed. I would love to comment on one company. Unfortunately, with 13% complying five years ago we had to deal with a much bigger number.

I thought Mr. Daly would reply. I am worried about pubs, which are high profile local businesses. Will Mr. Daly comment on the Comptroller and Auditor General's bullet points relating to case No. 2? The Comptroller and Auditor General stated, "Each publican followed a behavioural pattern, which outsmarted and rendered useless the normal Revenue procedures in this area." Does Mr. Daly agree? What steps have been taken to change that?

Members of the public who will read about the cases raised by the Comptroller and Auditor General will feel insecure because such activity was taking place up to three years ago. Through the years, assessments of such cases were conducted and the Revenue Commissioners always maintained they were in a position to stop this activity. I acknowledge that was before Mr. Daly's appointment or even my appointment to this committee. However, it can be seen how cynical the public can become. One would want to be like Sherlock Holmes to keep up with what happened in these cases. I pay tribute to the Comptroller and Auditor General on his wonderful investigation and report, which makes compelling reading.

It is a drama.

If John B. Keane was around, he would have a go at these cases. I am a new member of the committee but I have been in public life for a long time. For whatever reason, that the computers do not speak to each other or the relevant information, whether it is in the Office of the Revenue Commissioners or the Companies Registration Office, is not correlated, there is not a lack of information but an inability to get it into the hands of the person on the ground who is doing the job. Information is useless if it cannot be acted on and that is a significant problem.

Mr. Daly has signalled measures Revenue will try to implement for the future. I agree with all of them but I will sound a note of caution on one later. There will always be people who will outsmart the Revenue. That is a damning indictment of the office if that can happen. Everybody in the big, bad world knows that unless a significant, integrated approach is adopted, there will be smart guys who will get around the system.

I refer to the cases that have been put in the public domain today. When the Comptroller and Auditor General began he used a sample of 50 cases, which, unfortunately, had to be reduced to 25 because of various pressures. However, this raises a question regarding the number of cases. If, for example, the Comptroller and Auditor General had used a sample of 100 or 200 cases, what type of dossier would be in front of me now? We have no way of knowing whether there are many more similar cases.

Deputy McCormack asked about the number of look-back cases. There were 67 in 2001 and 108 in 2002. One or two cases emerged about which we have concerns. I agree with Deputy Connaughton that this was an extraordinary investigation by the Comptroller and Auditor General and I pay tribute to him. It was an intensive investigation.

In the generality of things, we deal with millions of transactions by taxpayers every year. The Comptroller and Auditor General pointed out in his report that 1,200 companies are formed and 600 struck off every month. It is a huge job for anybody to keep track of the business and tax liabilities of the people behind them. The Deputy is correct that the lack of ability to pool all the information together is at the heart of many of these cases. We acknowledge that we did not do that as well as we should have in the past.

However, I am confident we have made huge strides in that area and the people looking at cases, whether by audit, write-off or whatever, have at their fingertips everything that Revenue knows about the taxpayers involved in so far as we can get it to them and we also have linkages with the Companies Registration Office with access to its database. That will improve even further this year as we implement our computerised risk analysis system.

Deputy Connaughton asked whether more cases would have emerged with this problem if the Comptroller and Auditor General had dealt with more cases. I refer to the look-back in 2001 and 2002. Not many cases emerged and the ones that did are being followed up assiduously by Revenue.

Mr. Purcell

I am not in conflict with the Accounting Officer but the problems predated 2000. I stated in the report that if one goes back to amounts of tax written off in the late 1990s, one may have a different picture but I suspect it would be a similar picture. However, I accept totally the way Revenue responded to me that one must look at the cost-effectiveness of going back to those write-offs because the individuals in many cases might be dead or gone away. Things began to turn in 2001 and 2002 and perhaps in those circumstances more rigour was applied to the write-offs at that stage without reaching the absolute stage of commonality checks and so on. It is difficult to speculate but on the basis of what we saw in 2000, it is likely there would have been similar problems going back through the 1990s.

I refer to Mr. Daly's comment regarding the Companies Registration Office. What is going wrong is that the men or women in the companies are not being identified and they can change like the seasons. The companies can change but the principals do not. They have the same names all the time. Under the new system that Revenue proposes to adopt, is that the type of linkage that will be used? This relates to the questions on identification and so on. Can I take it that in the case of a person who gets a write-off and, for some reason, is lucky enough to get back into business, legitimate or otherwise, or to win the lotto, Revenue comes after him or her again? There was reference to sharp-shooters to keep an eye on who is doing well. Is that a type of secret service agency that will be set up?

A key development emerging in the Companies Registration Office is that in future directors of companies - legislation is required for this - will have to declare their PPS number. That will be of enormous benefit to Revenue in making the linkages behind the companies. Mr. Farrell may want to comment on that. On the question of winning the lotto and whether we would go after someone who has had tax written off, yes, we would do that. I have not become aware of many such cases.

On the question of monitoring, I was referring to the construction industry in particular and the close eye we will keep on that industry in future. The phrase "sharp-shooters" is a bit strong. There will not be a secret service. People in the local tax districts will simply keep an eye on what is going on in their areas, obtaining local intelligence from a number of sources, such as reading what is going on around the area, reading the newspapers, looking at planning permissions and the build-up of land banks and following this through. I would be at pains to say that most people in the property business or other businesses such as pubs and so on are tax compliant and good citizens, and we have no issue with them. Our issue is with the small number of mavericks who cause problems. These are the people we will be monitoring. If we come across someone in business who is tax compliant and making returns and payments - due to lack of resources we cannot watch everyone - our approach is to give them the best possible service where required and, by and large, leave them alone. The key is that we will be very quickly on the trail of people who step out of line.

Are the three cases cited the most commonly used methods of tax evasion or are there any other methods that are not included in the report?

I am sure I could keep the committee here for the afternoon talking about different methods of tax evasion.

Would they cost the most?

They certainly would because of the scale of the operation, particularly in the property development sector. They would be significant in terms of the amount of tax at risk.

Mr. Farrell

On the question relating to the cross-referencing of individuals, the short answer is that this is at the very heart of the linkages. There are two phases involved. First, we are engaged in a process of reconciling our database. I hope the committee can understand how big a task that is. If someone gives us a name and address and subsequently includes a house name in the address, the computer can be thrown off the scent, so to speak. That might be completely unintentional on the part of the individual but it makes our job difficult. Initially we will be reconciling the database internally and we will then be reconciling it during this year with the PPSN database. The next phase, which requires legislation, will be to ask directors to pre-register with us, that is, they will fill out a form saying, "I propose to be" or "I am a director of a company and my PPSN is . . . "

Under the law, PPSN is not public data, so that will go. Legislation will be required because all our data is public. That will go on our back file, so to speak, and we can then check all future registrations against that. We appreciate how valuable that will be to the Revenue Commissioners. It is also essential for our information in regard to what directors are failing to file, for our enforcement processes and for the director of corporate enforcement.

In his presentation, Mr. Daly pointed out that the principle of limited liability needs to be re-examined. He said there is clear evidence that it is being abused to avoid tax liability. I wonder whether that last phrase could be strengthened? Would it not be the case that tax avoidance is not an offence? The tax code encourages people to minimise their tax liability whenever possible. The abuse of the concept of limited liability is an act of evasion, and we need to be clear in stating that.

On the procedures involved in writing off tax, have these evolved as a matter of custom and practice within the Revenue Commissioners or do they in every circumstance have a legislative base? Mr. Daly pointed out the additional legislative powers he felt he needed. In terms of further information that might be helpful to the committee in regard to how these abuses are occurring, do certain companies engage more than others in these write-off exercises? There has been a lot of talk today in particular about property development companies. Mr. Daly mentioned some circumstances where there might be a hands-off relationship between a particular property developer and sub-contractors. Is that an exercise which needs to be tightened up? In regard to the whole practice of consortia in property development, is it an element that people involved in such business transactions can use the tax system to their best advantage?

On the first question of abuse of limited liability and tax evasion, the consequence is tax evasion. It is in that context that there should be some diminution of limited liability in the case of someone who has a history of non-compliance, particularly in the case of fiduciary taxes, which are effectively held in trust for the State - they are taken off employees or some other body in the case of VAT or RCT. We say limited liability assists tax evasion. Again, I emphasise that Revenue is very conscious of the value of limited liability to the development of business and entrepreneurship. We do not want to do anything that would stifle that. There are abuses, however, of the system by a limited number of people and it is in that context we make our proposals.

The Deputy asked whether the procedures in write-off is our custom and practice. There is no specific legislative base for write-offs. The base is the care and management function given to the commissioners in every Finance Bill, which has been the case since the foundation of the State. Without getting into a dissertation on care and management, it essentially allows us to manage the whole tax code. It is a de facto recognition that we cannot chase every last euro of tax. It allows us in certain circumstances to take a decision not to collect an amount of tax. The theory is that it would be unproductive, indeed counter-productive, because we would be diverting from something else if one spent €1,000 trying to collect €1 of tax. That is the legislative base for write-off. Our procedures on write-off have evolved extensively over the years. In recent years in particular we have tightened up a lot on these procedures.

The Deputy asked about where the general abuses occur. The ones highlighted here are in the property area and the leisure and pub sector. They are fairly significant in terms of the tax at risk. Part of the approach running through both cases has been the type of consortia approach the Deputy is talking about. This is why we are suggesting a change to the VAT legislation, which would group companies in the property sector. I mentioned that earlier in response to Deputy Dennehy.

Does Mr. Daly not think it odd that the Comptroller and Auditor General, when doing his audit, would look at certain write-offs and immediately see a case for investigation? In other words it stuck out like a sore thumb. I am taken by the reference in the Revenue Commissioners' report to the "intensive investigation" by the Comptroller and Auditor General, as though his investigation was far more intensive than the Revenue Commissioners might have done. Does this suggest that the control mechanisms within the Revenue Commissioners were at best modest and at worst totally inefficient?

When I stand back and look at the three cases of non-compliance which are highlighted I ask could there ever be a question of collusion between the inside and the outside? These cases are so blatant they are terrifying. It is fair enough to say that controls were inadequate but can we absolutely lay to rest the suspicion that there could have been collusion?

I see phrases such as, "we are exploring legal changes", "the very real danger of limited liability poses problems for tax collection" and "we are going to have to look at limited liability". In the case of company registration the report says that the Revenue Commissioners have such a high profile that it is difficult to co-ordinate all their work. This reminds me of the phrase, "Play it again, Sam." When the Secretary General of the Department of Health and Children appeared before this committee recently on the subject of GMS payments, he told us the future is rosy. Today we are told that a series of recommendations will be put in place and that when the chairman returns to the committee next year everything will have changed.

I accept there has been massive improvement but I have outlined a number of issues in the report which suggest to me that I cannot have absolute confidence in Mr. Daly's assurance that matters will be dealt with. We are told that a new legal framework is needed and that various avenues will be explored to ensure that the disgraceful non-compliance we have seen will not happen again.

With regard to the cases found by the Comptroller and Auditor General, there were intensive investigations. That is not to say Revenue does not do those types of investigations. Deputy O'Keeffe asked was the Comptroller and Auditor General's investigation more intensive than ours. It was a very intensive investigation and, as a Revenue official, I compliment the investigator on his extremely thorough investigation. However, we do examinations just as intense as that. Our investigation of the property developer case which was highlighted was just as intensive.

The issue is how did the Comptroller and Auditor General come across those three cases and should we not have come across them. That is the nub of the matter. I have to say that we should. I cannot say we should not have come across those. We should have. If we were making the types of linkages the Comptroller and Auditor General made and if we had spent the same time and effort on those cases as the Comptroller and Auditor General, I am sure I would have a different answer. However, we did not make the linkages and, therefore, we did not do the intensive investigations. My assurance to the Deputy is that since the middle of last year that is not the case and we will be doing those types of investigations from now on.

Deputy O'Keeffe made an important point to which I must respond - I indirectly referred to it in my opening statement. He asked whether there was ever the possibility of collusion between the inside and the outside. I take it he means between somebody in Revenue and somebody in any of those cases. I can give him an absolute and unqualified assurance that that was not the case. As I mentioned earlier, the case workers involved in these cases in the 1990s or 2000, or whenever they made the individual decisions to write off in individual company cases, in each case, by the procedures in place at the time, took the right decisions. I am not saying it was the right decision in the overall sense and in hindsight, because of the additional information, we would have done it differently. In so far as they had papers in front of them in respect of a particular company and they looked at the write-off guidelines and instructions we had at the time, they did everything absolutely right and there is no collusion and no question of collusion. The Deputy made an important point but it is very important that I give the committee that assurance.

Deputy O'Keeffe referred to my use of the words, "exploring legal changes" quite a bit. I could list ten or 20 initiatives which have been taken since the Comptroller and Auditor General's report was published. These are things which have actually been done. We are not exploring them, thinking about them or proposing them. These are things which have been done in Revenue over the past couple of years in relation to tightening up on write-offs. The initiatives being explored or considered are the six I referred to earlier in relation to changes to the VAT Act, limited liability and the excise licence regime. In fairness to the people who have other responsibilities in that area, for example other Departments, the Attorney General, the company law review group and the thousands of genuine people who operate in those business areas, who are affected every day and to whom limited liability is of value, we could not introduce such changes without an extensive consultation process. Exploring is not a favourite word of mine - I do not know how it crept into my statement. As the Deputy says, it is sometimes used as a euphemism for putting things off into the future. We have already put this list of six to the Department of Finance and that Department is actively considering those proposals.

Mr. Farrell

With your permission, Chairman, I assure the Deputy and the committee that there is no question of complacency that the situation is satisfactory and that a magic wand exists to deal with it. I prefer to reiterate the point I made earlier. The rate of change is as satisfactory as I could imagine it to be, given that we are talking about a sea change in perception in businesses and accountancy firms about how this business should be done and returns filed. Provided the rate of change we have succeeded in getting over the past four years is continued for another 12 or 18 months, the situation will by then have become satisfactory. It is not that we are waiting for some magic bullet to come along. We just want to continue doing what we have been doing for the last couple of years. We collected €12 million in late filing penalties last year and €1 million in late filing penalties in January this year. We are reasonably satisfied that most of those companies will not be anxious to pay late filing penalties in the future. If we are proved wrong on that we will have to consider and reflect further. It seems that we can stand over the actions of the past few years.

What is the situation in regard to the number of companies, over 7,000, that are struck off each year?

Mr. Farrell

The situation has changed dramatically. When we went back a few years the situation was that we had a huge number of companies that we were strongly of the opinion were not there. The only strategy we could pursue was to strike them off. In 1999 we struck off 28,000 companies. In 2000 we struck off 33,000. However, in 2001 we only struck off 1,400 in the whole year. In 2002 we did not strike off any. Strike off has now been set back. We now have a late filing penalty that comes in at the beginning and the penalty for one day late is €100. If it is filed two days late the penalty is €103. It goes up by €3 a day until it is €1,200. That is the first line of attack now. The fallback position is that if they go away and do not come near us we may have to consider strike off again. The numbers the Chairman had - of course the Comptroller and Auditor General is correct - are in respect of the period in advance of this case when we had large numbers of strike offs. The very big numbers have now evaporated.

If there is an outstanding tax liability the fact that the company is struck off cancels its liability. Was this lack of co-operation not really a tax anomaly for tax evasion?

Mr. Farrell

We could say that it was. The legislation has been changed so it is not anticipated now. It is much easier now to restore a company. If a creditor finds they are out as a result they can readily get a company restored. Then it becomes a question of the amount of liability that might be outstanding. This whole side is now working satisfactorily as far as I can see in our dealings with the Revenue Commissioners. It would not be perceived at the present time to be causing difficulties.

Mr. Daly has answered a number of specific questions and has made general statements. I have no doubt that the current system with regard to tax write-offs is vastly different from what it would have been a number of years ago, as a result of better use of computerisation and closer links with the CRO. The system is not perfect but it is much improved from where it was. I was interested to hear when we were talking about case A, the property company, that the person who availed of the tax amnesty in 1988 and paid €79,000 was subsequently followed up and an additional €16,000 was obtained. That case is still ongoing.

I still find it hard to reconcile that in 1996, €1,817 million was written off for the preceding years now that the systems in place are more sophisticated and better than before. I am relieved to see it states in the last paragraph of Mr. Daly's response to Chapter IV (7), "Tax written off can always be restored." He has talked about the commonality check and the look back for the period 2002 and 2001. I am uncomfortable about leaving the figure of €1,817 million unchecked for that period especially in light of the new procedures, better information and better computerisation that are clearly available. It has been demonstrated today that in the case of the property company, case A, you were able to achieve a result. Are there plans now to go back and look at that write-off, made in 1996, for the preceding years up to 1995? Are there any specific plans to address that in light of the statement that tax written off can always be restored?

I am looking at the figure of €1,817 million. That was the actual total of the debt for the years 1994-95. I am not sure what exactly was written off in 1996 but I will get the information. The Deputy asked if we intended to look back at that. We have looked back in the year 2000 and pre the commonality checks we have looked back in 2001 and we have come up with just a couple of cases where there are concerns. The real issue here is resources and value for money in terms of what would the value be of going back beyond that. As the Comptroller and Auditor General said about going back now to earlier years, while we might come up with some cases the real concern would be whether there was anything there to be recovered. These would be old cases and the people might be old and may have gone out of business. It might be a question of Revenue having to do an extensive amount of work with little return at the end of the day.

My concern is that throughout Revenue, and this committee later will be considering the bogus non-resident accounts, the Ansbacher accounts and other special investigations, we have quite a heavy burden of investigations at the moment. Those investigations will be productive but I always have a general concern as Accounting Officer that, while we are quite rightly and properly diverting a lot of resources to these investigations, we do not take our eye off the ball in regard to what is going on right now and that we do not build up for the future another DIRT or Ansbacher problem. My view of whether we should look back before 2000 in this would be very much coloured by a view of what we are likely to get out of it at the end. I think in reality it would probably be very little. In the meantime could those resources have been better employed making sure that something like this does not happen again?

My question concerns linkages and pubs. Are there boxes in the tax registration form for businesses where the principals have to put down their PRSI numbers and the number of any former companies or businesses with which they were associated?

This came up earlier. At the moment it is not a requirement to show one's RSI number but there is a proposal for that which I understand will be legislated for soon that the PPS number which replaces the RSI number will actually be shown on that form. That would be a key issue for us in terms of making linkages for the future.

Six years ago the RSI number of a business was required on the tax registration form.

Sorry, yes it is required for the tax registration form. I misunderstood the question. I was talking about the company's registration form.

So the PRSI numbers of the principals are required. Was the actual tax registration number not generally associated with the company's registration number?

There was a linkage there. I am not quite sure of the actual format but there certainly was.

What year did the tax registration form where these numbers were shown on it come into play?

Offhand, I do not have the answer to that, but I am sure it was quite a number of years ago.

Was it ten years ago? That would be 1993, approximately.

I assume it was.

What was the reason for having them on at all if they were not going to be linked?

I think they were linked but the problem is that we are never sure that the principals behind the company are actually being declared on the tax registration form. Our problem is to make the linkages not between the companies but to make the linkage with the principals behind the companies.

But the principals had given their RSI number on the tax registration form.

There can be company A which has a series of principals behind it——

——and the really important linkage was to see what other companies was director A a member of——

Absolutely.

——and to make that linkage——

That is right.

——as between——

Surely that is the reason why you asked for the RSI numbers ten years ago?

Indeed it is.

Are you saying that there was no linkage?

I would have to say that some of those linkages were not being made and that it is only in recent years that through our links programme and profiler that all those linkages are being made within Revenue.

So the information was there for over ten years. I would also like an explanation from the Comptroller and Auditor General, if that is appropriate, as to why he did not pick up on some of these items sooner than 2001 in the course of the audit of the Revenue Commissioners.

Mr. Purcell

It certainly is an appropriate question. Every year I report to the Dáil and then by extension to this committee the extent of my review of the write-off procedures. About five years ago Revenue were changing their write-off procedures and changing the basis of the write off to give themselves a better chance to concentrate on current issues. This is because in the past there was a huge amount of debt which was overstated because of bad estimates and so on. That was dragging Revenue down and at that particular stage the then chairman of the Revenue Commissioners wrote to me asking for my views on a proposal that he had made to try to deal with this in a business-like manner. As I said at the time to him and it is recorded in this report, I agreed and I made some suggestions but I also put in the caveat that they could not operate in such a way that people could ultimately evade if they avoided the Revenue for a long time and the Revenue would go away.

I reported to the Dáil each year on the extent of the write-off, stating what we had done. In each case we would look at the procedures and we found that the procedures were followed. I had indicated to the committee that it was my intention to examine this in much greater depth and get behind it. Eventually I committed resources to doing that on the Revenue side in 2000. In doing it in 2000-01, I had anticipated that we would finish this job within a reasonable amount of time. As I said in my opening remarks, this was unprecedented in a sense because it spanned years and it took about 18 months with one investigator working with some back-up assistance from the group. You will recall at that stage and in that period three years ago we were also heavily involved in the DIRT inquiry and investigation. Not only do the Revenue Commissioners have problems with resources and the allocation of resources, I also have that problem.

I did signal that I wanted to do this job. It started off as a slightly different job. I wanted to find out and be positive in a sense. I wanted to find out what led to this tax being written off and what Revenue could have done differently in order to avoid future write-offs of this kind. When we started doing this work and mining the information, we tried to get behind it a little bit more and we found these relationships.

As the Accounting Officer said this morning, even in doing that we could not find all the relationships because in one case, example one, there were 72 related companies. You would need an investigation branch of itself to establish those kind of contacts. Once this information was coming to me from my people on the Revenue audit, I decided we needed to reorient this work and this report this morning is the result. It would have been literally impossible, if Revenue was unable to carry out this work with an investigation branch and inspectors working on cases and so on, to produce this kind of detail. It would have been impossible for us to do that in the context of a review of a write-off procedure. We did do it and as it happened the trail led to the kind of revelations that are in this report.

You said that over the years you examined the procedures and the procedures were followed. Quite obviously they were not followed.

Mr. Purcell

The procedures were followed but the procedures were not as comprehensive as they should have been. I was very careful——

Was it pointed out by the staff when they were doing the audit that the procedures were not as comprehensive as they should have been?

Mr. Purcell

No. The primary responsibility for write-off lies with the chairman of the Revenue Commissioners. Part of the assurance he would take in putting his name to the end of these write-offs was that internal audit in Revenue would also review a sample of these cases to see that procedures were followed.

I wish to ask Mr. Daly about the internal audit.

The Comptroller's investigation is a massive document and has caused a lot of debate which will not be concluded today. I compliment the Comptroller on the report.

I am in the train of an argument, Chairman, and I ask you to allow me ask a question. Mr. Daly, it was Deputy O'Keeffe who asked about the internal control and he was saying that it appeared weak. The Comptroller and Auditor General has said that the internal control in the Revenue would have primary responsibility to uncover procedures that are not being operated in the right way. In response to Deputy O'Keeffe, you suggested that the Comptroller and Auditor General's staff would have more time to look into these matters. This implies to me that the Revenue's internal audit is not of the strength and power that it should be.

Sorry, Deputy, I did not mean to imply that the Comptroller and Auditor General would have had more time than Revenue to do an examination. What I meant was that once the Comptroller started these investigations he put a very significant time resource into them. I really did not mean any more than that. The issue here really is that it is not so much that the procedures were not followed; the procedures were followed in so far as they were written down. We have written guidelines for all our case workers and for anybody who is working on the write-off of cases and they follow those procedures. The internal audit branch checks that those procedures are followed and it has been doing that for some years now. The problem is not that the procedures were not followed and I was at pains to say earlier that they were followed; the problem really is that the procedures themselves, in not paying enough attention to the linkages and the commonality checks, the linkages behind the companies, were deficient.

Surely it is the function of the internal audit to come up with the procedures that are sufficient to protect and safeguard the assets, revenue and money that is due to Revenue?

I think certainly it would be something that the internal audit unit and indeed our internal audit committee have a view on, and they have expressed views on that since the Comptroller's report emerged. However, prior to the Comptroller's report really we were not aware that there was a problem and neither were our internal audit branch. They were concentrating at the time on the procedures for write-off, some of which were quite new because we were doing automated write-off. So, the internal audit branch was concentrating on that. So, it is possible to fault us and we are at fault in so far as the actual content of the procedures or the intensive type of investigation that should have been laid down there was not being done. However, on the actual implementation of the procedures themselves, as I said earlier, the case workers implemented them as they were there. The internal audit branch——

I accept that. I have a question on pubs, because case 2 is particularly interesting. There is the issue of one individual owning a pub and another renting it. A pub is a very cash rich business, which has to be looked after very carefully from a Revenue point of view and is amenable to——

Overcharging.

It has to be very carefully scrutinised to ensure the margins are right and the turnover is correct. Obviously, there are opportunities for people who are devious to take cash out of businesses. Were there a number of people renting pubs who defaulted in payments of VAT, in particular, and PAYE? In some cases people may be paying exorbitant rents to owners of pubs to operate the pub and it would be general knowledge in the trade that they have to walk a very thin line to make the business profitable. I would like an overview of pubs owned by one individual and rented by another. Are there problems and, if so, what is the scale of those problems?

I am afraid I do not have any figures in relation to the numbers or what percentage of——

Is it possible to furnish them to the committee?

I will furnish them if we have them. I am not sure whether we have information like that, but I am sure we have and we can extract it. I have been talking about all the information Revenue has, so I think it would be perhaps wrong of me to say I could not find it. Yes, we will find that and send it to the committee.

Deputy Ardagh is right in saying any cash rich business poses particular problems for Revenue. Cash rich businesses would find a particular focus each year in our audit regimes. We would be very conscious of the opportunities for people in that area to extract drawings from the business and not declare them to Revenue. I would not have any view that there is a huge problem in that area, but again I would like maybe to come back to the committee on this. There is a growing phenomenon in this country of a small number of people with a very large number of public houses or businesses of that type. By and large, as far as I am aware, they are tax compliant. That is not to say that within that area there are not difficulties. As I say, I do not have very specific information.

I have two brief points based on my previous questions. Mr. Daly said none of the legislative changes that are needed is included in the current Finance Bill. However, some of the points he outlined seemed capable of being put in that Bill, in particular the changes in excise licensing. Does he think there is still the possibility of making amendments to the Finance Bill to address some of those issues? Mr. Daly seemed to admit there was no specific legislative reference to how and in what circumstances Revenue can write off tax. I find this very surprising given that Revenue is looking for a specific legislative basis for giving money back in the case of mal-administration. This seems to be a double standard.

I said there are no specific proposals in the Finance Bill, as published, for any of the six items that we are proposing, including the excise licences. I am not even quite sure that the excise licence proposals would find their way into the Finance Bill, because the matter of excise licences is probably more properly a matter for the Garda and the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. However, there is consultation needed on that and I think that is why it is not there.

In regard to the matter of no specific legislation, as I say, for write-off, the basis for it is our care and management. As I explained, the basis for care and management is allowing us to take decisions from time to time in the interests of good management of the tax system, not to collect particular amounts of tax or to do certain things in the tax area where that would, in the overall sense, be detrimental to the overall tax collection effort - spending €1,000 to collect €1, that type of thing. I am somewhat reluctant to get into the other issue, because it was discussed yesterday at the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service. As the Deputy knows, it is still, as I understand it, before that committee. It is really a separate issue. While it is being discussed at another committee and the Ombudsman is not here, although he was with me yesterday——

I understand that Mr. Daly cannot address this directly. I am just pointing out the need for a fully legislative basis of what Revenue is and what it can do. It is not possible to play on both sides on this.

What I could say on that - this goes back to the DIRT inquiry when my predecessor sat at this table - is that there is a tail to that inquiry yet to come, in the sense that at some stage there may well be or will be a new Revenue Act. For the moment, because Mr. Justice Moriarty, of the Moriarty tribunal, has within his terms of reference to give some consideration to Revenue's independence and the way we dealt with particular cases, it has been decided to park that for the moment until we get his report. However, I have no doubt that in any new Revenue Act there would be - from our point of view it would be desirable - an attempt made to clarify the matter of care and management. It is a fairly ancient concept. There is very little case law around. There is no case law in Ireland defining what care and management is. There is one case in the United Kingdom called the Fleet Street Casuals case, which we use as our basis for applying care and management in certain cases. However, care and management is something that is taken very seriously by us. It is not an unfettered power as it were and we are very constrained and quite rigorous consideration is required in any areas where we use it.

I want to address some separate issues——

Could I just make one comment before changing from this area? Further to the point made by Deputy Ardagh, this is the first time in my recollection that the Accounting Officer for Revenue has advised the committee the linkages are not what they might be. His immediate predecessor began to change the culture somewhat, but prior to that this committee was always assured that things were as near perfect as they could be. I welcome Mr. Daly being a bit more frank with the committee in saying that things have not been as perfect as we were told by some of Mr. Daly's saintly and eminent predecessors, who always assured the committee that it need have no concerns in this regard as the ship of State was in good hands.

In relation to Deputy Rabbitte's comments, is there any way of measuring how widespread are the difficulties mentioned in the cases highlighted? I recall that, during the DIRT inquiry, some senior management people from one of the financial institutions appeared before this committee following an internal audit in which the auditor had identified a certain figure in respect of money due to the State on funds which had been "moved aside". The representatives present from the relevant institution on that occasion immediately disputed that figure but when I asked them to state the actual figure, their only response was to insist that it was not the amount stated by the internal auditor. On that basis, how are we to evaluate statements which have been made to the effect that only a small number of people have been abusing the system? How do we know that if we are not aware that they exist, as in the case of publicans and people in the property business? I ask Mr. Daly to comment further on that in his reply. Everybody denied that DIRT evasion was so widespread until this committee had spent many months working on the matter. I share Deputy Rabbitte's concern as to any possible code of practice within the businesses concerned along the same lines as was employed by the publican in the three cases which have been referred to.

I can certainly do that. First, may I refer back to Deputy Rabbitte's comment? In fairness to my predecessors, I presume they spoke to the committee in the context of the position in so far as it had emerged at the time. I have been speaking, at this meeting, about a situation that is, essentially, post the Comptroller and Auditor General's report which has identified certain deficiencies. I thought it appropriate to make that point. I will certainly come back, if the committee wishes, to the information——

I am not accusing any of Mr. Daly's predecessors of misrepresenting the position. I am only saying that what they told us at the time turned out, subsequently, not to have been based on fact. There was no question of deliberate misrepresentation, but the system was not perfect.

I have just one observation with regard to tax clearance certificates being obtained by companies not registered for PAYE or VAT. Tax certificates normally indicate tax compliance, which was obviously not the case in the situations referred to.

As is quite rightly the case, Members of the Oireachtas are now required to have full tax clearance before taking up their positions. In some of the cases referred to, tax clearance certificates seem to have been obtainable in a similar fashion to the issue of doctors' certificates without attendance. I realise that was some years ago, but could it still happen today?

It could not happen now, Chairman, that a company or individual seeking tax clearance, without their tax affairs being up to date and paid, would get that clearance. There is, perhaps, an area of tax clearance that we need to look at, that is the "look through" provisions, as it were. Under the tax clearance regime, as it now exists, if a company applies for tax clearance and its affairs are in order, the present regime would not allow us to look through the company to the individuals behind it. That, perhaps, is something we need to look at. However, on the main point of the question, if the affairs of a person seeking tax clearance are not in order, we would not, in most circumstances, give tax clearance. However, we do not wish to be excessively rigid in this regard. There are companies or businesses which, temporarily, get themselves into trouble and with whom we will agree an interest-bearing instalment arrangement. In those cases, we would give tax clearance in the interest of letting the business continue. In many instances, if one does not give tax clearance to a company, it will just go out of business because it will not be able to get contracts and so on. Accordingly, we would be flexible from a customer service point of view but, on the core point of this morning's discussion, when somebody now starts to abuse the system, we intervene much earlier and much more rigorously.

Thank you, Mr. Daly. Does Mr. Purcell wish to comment?

Mr. Purcell

Thank you, Chairman, for the opportunity to pick up on a few points. I take Deputy Rabbitte's comments on board. Having worked with this committee for many years, both in my current and previous capacities, it is fairly clear from my own reports and those of my predecessors that we were not operating a perfect revenue system. I believe there was never any pretence, at Public Accounts Committee meetings over the years - I can go back some 15 years - that things were perfect. That is reflected both in the committee's own reports and in the C&AG's reports for previous years.

Moving on to other points, Deputy Boyle referred to care and management. In the past, this committee has been seized with the matter of the operation of care and management. I see it as a legitimate interest, in terms of my responsibilities and those of the committee, to hold the chairman of the Revenue Commissioners, as Accounting Officer, accountable for the exercise of that function. I recall a case which centred on the Commissioners, at one time, waiving interest and using care and management as the authority for doing so. Certainly, my predecessor would have taken them to task for that, as the committee did and that was the subject of a report.

Deputy Curran raised the question of going back prior to 2000. I believe it would be generally accepted, as I accept, that there is very little in terms of cash return to be got from that. Our suggestion, and perhaps this is what the Deputy had in mind, is that the dividend from that would be in terms of information which would be helpful on a current basis. That is also referred to in the report.

With reference to Deputy O'Keeffe's line of questioning, I have to say, as I did in my opening remarks, that Revenue was very positive. There was no prevarication or equivocation in relation to the findings and emerging findings from this report. Certainly, in this particular case, the actions being taken by Revenue indicate total commitment to action. Those are the vibes and, indeed, the evidence I am getting of Revenue's reaction to the report. It is important that should be stated at this stage.

May I make one point? I did not get to put on record an update on progress in the two publican cases and the leisure sector operator. I do not wish to delay the committee but I assure members that the individuals are under active investigation. In fairness, publican B - in the second case - is and has been largely tax compliant. The problem is with publican A, the person who is operating in the premises but we are working on that case. In the case of the leisure sector operator also, I can assure the committee there is a very thorough investigation proceeding.

Thank you, Mr. Daly. I thank Mr. Purcell and his colleagues for their outstanding work on this report. We have had a worthwhile debate and the observations and recommendations will no doubt be put into an improved system.

The next committee meeting is on Thursday, 20 February when we meet with the National Roads Authority at 10.30 a.m. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The committee adjourned at 1.50 p.m. until Thursday, 20 February 2003 at 10.30 a.m.
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