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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 9 Mar 1923

Vol. 2 No. 40

DAIL IN COMMITTEE. - POST OFFICE VOTE.

I move "That an additional sum of £103,500 be granted for the year ending the 31st March, 1923, for the salaries and expenses of the Post Office, including Telegraphs and Telephones." This is the first year in which the Irish Post Office has had a separate Vote, and in framing their original and first Estimate it was inevitable that they should have lacked sufficient information to enable them to indicate accurately their requirements, the information not being available to enable them to indicate accurately their requirements.

Provincial Offices, £12,000.—Sufficient provision was not made in the original Estimated for the cost of retention of the "Douglas" Award in provinces and for the payment of arrears due on the revision of Postmasters' Salaries of April, 1920, and for increases at the triennial review made after the original estimated was framed.

Travelling and Subsistence Allowances, £3,670.—Insufficient data existed at the time the original Estimate was framed.

Rent, Office Fittings, etc., £3,500.— Sufficient provision was not made in the original Estimate for heavy expenditure on the supplies during the winter months of fuel and light.

Uniforms, Clothing, £14,490.—The additional expenditure is required for payment to Great Britain for the appropriate proportion of the stocks held in the Post Office Store Depots on 1st April, 1922.

Losses by Default, £12,000.—The original estimate of £18,000 was insufficient and has to be supplemented by an additional sum of £12,000.

Engineering Materials, £20,850.—This expenditure has been incurred in the purchase of materials for the repair of unforeseen malicious damages to Post Office property, to the repair of damaged Stores, and to the purchase of the necessary additional stocks, rendered necessary by the separation of the Irish Free State Post Office from the British Post Office.

Wayleaves, £50.—The small excess here is due to incomplete information when the original Estimate was framed. Payments under this Sub-head are made for the right to lay telegraph or telephone wires in particular areas or positions.

Annuities in Respect of Debt, £44,800.—This sum was originally omitted from the Estimate as it had not then been settled whether the Free State was to bear the annuity charges in respect of capital borrowed for construction work in this country on the telegraph and telephone system. At a recent Conference in London it was settled that this charge should be borne and provision is included accordingly.

Superannuation, £21,000.—This expenditure has been incurred by the retirements under Article X. of the Treaty, and could not be foreseen. Of this £19,800 consists of lump sum payments in individual cases which are non-recurrent.

Appropriations in Aid; Deficiency £39,978.—The figures incorporated in the original Estimate were based on those supplied by the British Post Office and have proved inaccurate.

Savings on other Sub-Heads, £68,939.—The main items on which savings have been effected are in the conveyance of mails by rail (£10,000), in the salaries, wages, and allowances of the Engineering Staff owing to normal work not being carried out (£25,000), and in the cost of the Savings Bank staff, which is only being taken over from 1st January, 1923, instead of 1st April, 1922, as anticipated (£25,500).

I desire to draw attention, under the head of this Supplementary Vote, to the question of the suspension of sorting on Cross-channel mail packets. What I wish to point out to the President and to the members of the Government is that I think it is false economy for the Government to try to affect a temporary saving on matters of this kind at a time when conditions are abnormal in the country; when trade is at its very lowest point. You will find that later on, when conditions become normal, when we endeavour to develop the trade of the country, that actions of this kind will re-act upon the Free State. I understand that the suspension of the day service on the Cross-channel Packet means that sorting work which was done by the Irish staffs in the Post Office Department of the Irish Free State is now, in most cases, being transferred to the English sorting staff, with the result that there will be an increase in the duties and in the number of men employed in the English Postal Service, and a reduction possibly, at some time, if not now, in the staff of the Irish Post Office. I think it is a bad thing for the Irish Free State Government to do anything that will mean a reduction in the number of men employed in the Department, and throw men on to the State by causing unemployment, and, at the same time, by doing so to increase the number of men employed in the Postal Service in England. I notice from a Press report—and that is the only information that I have on the matter—that it is contemplated to suspend the Sorting Service on the night boat on the 31st May or afterwards. Now, when we realise that actions of this kind are more likely to assist the Six County Government by transferring to the Northern area, through the Larne and Stranraer route, correspondence which will help trade in that area, and which will re-act upon trade in the Free State area, I think that the Minister will realise the seriousness of the step taken and the step contemplated. I hope the Executive Council will consider matters of this kind, not from conditions that prevail at the moment, but as to what effect such actions will have upon the future of the Free State. One would think that we had a great sum of money for all these services. This service costs £2,859,000, and although we get back revenue to the extent of £1,300,000 the loss to us on that service is £1,500,000. Surely that is a very big sum to have to pay for this service.

I see that sub-head H relates to incidental expenses and loss by default, accident, etc., and that to make good this, the sum of £12,000 was needed. To the ordinary mind loss by default would mean default on the part of the servants of the Post Office. I do not believe this increase of £12,000 is due to any such cause, and I do not think it is likely that mere accident either would increase the estimate by £12,000. If this sub-head really deals with money taken or defaulted by people other than the servants of the Post Office itself I think it would be better, from a Departmental point of view and from the point of view of our Estimates, that it should be so stated and not covered up by an "etc." Therefore, I ask the Minister to tell us, and we have a right to know, whether this increase is due to any misconduct or negligence on the part of any Departmental officials, or whether it is due to wrongdoing by other persons not in the Post Office service.

The loss, in this instance, is entirely due to unforeseen loss by robbery, malicious damage, and so on.

May I suggest that that should be so stated in the Estimates later on, because as these Supplementary Estimates are now drawn they are calculated to throw a slur upon the officials of an extremely efficient and well-conducted service.

The loss suffered by the Post Office through raids on registered articles for the past twelve months approximates to a loss of £25,000. We have been considering whether it would not be possible to discontinue the registration of letters and packets, but international regulations provide that there is no loophole and no means of escape. We have to accept, according to international regulations, registered articles for foreign countries, and we do not see much use in discriminating between home registration and foreign. We realise that the country has suffered very heavily by accepting registration, and we only continued it after mature consideration. I assure the Dáil that we have gone into the matter more than once, and we feel we would not be justified in departing from the rule of accepting registered letters.

The greater parts of the items set out in this Estimate are due to Irregular activity. I think Deputies should realise that a very heavy strain is cast upon the Post Office Department through the fight we are waging for the maintenance of the public service, and I desire on this occasion to pay tribute, which is due from me, to the men of the service, who have maintained the Post Office service practically uninterruptedly during a time of very great strain, and without any accession of staff. In connection with the Engineering Department, I would like the Dáil to understand that you cannot supplement a technical staff of that kind over night. It takes a considerable time to train a linesman or an engineer of any kind employed in the Post Office, and, notwithstanding that, we have not increased our engineering staff by any appreciable number—possibly not more than 5 per cent.—we have been able to maintain the service, which is appreciated very generally by the community. Not only had we to fight the Irregulars in this particular case, but we had to meet very serious demands on the part of the public and the Government in relation to barracks and matters of that kind. At any rate, this Estimate refers largely to expenditure incurred through unexpected demands on our service through the Irregular fight. You see an item here: "Rent, office fittings." You know the reason. It is because offices were burned, and you go further down and you come to the item, "Stores other than engineering materials." These are stores which had to be provided because of the destruction, and some of that applies to engineering contract work and maintenance by Railway Companies. We maintain the telegraph communication for the Railway Companies and it has been a very strong point with the Irregulars to destroy these communications. It is a kind of big magnet for attack. Then you come to the item "Superannuation and other non-effective charges." Under Article 10 of the Treaty a large number of our men are leaving the service, and we have no alternative owing to that but to provide certain bonuses. The sum of £19,800 is included in this item. There is only one item that perhaps requires explanation and that item is for £44,000, which is the biggest item in the Estimate. I must say I am not perfectly satisfied myself that the Post Office should meet this item of £44,000. It has been dumped over on us to meet annuities created under the Telegraph Act, which provides for the installation of a telephone service and telegraph service extending back to the date when the Post Office took over the telephone service. Now if the British Post Office had provided new materials in this country I would have no cause to quarrel with this item of £44,000, and I think it would be only reasonable that we should accept responsibility for it, but on the other hand we have got a lot of scrap material and we are faced at the present time with the introduction of new materials to replace this, and I do not think we would be justified in continuing to pay any annuities whatever for any such material handed over to us by England. This arrangement is only temporary, I am led to understand, and if it were to be continued I feel we would be justified in quarrelling with it for the reason that we are forced to scrap practically all that material and replace it by modern instruments, and I do not think we could regard the £44,000 as a continuing item in our expenditure.

Question put and agreed to.
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