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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 25 Jul 1924

Vol. 8 No. 20

COMMITTEE ON FINANCE. - VOTE 24—STATIONERY OFFICE.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £102,029 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1925, to defray the expense of providing Stationery, Printing, Paper-binding, and Printed Books for the Public Service: to pay the Salaries and Expenses of the Stationery Office, and for sundry Miscellaneous Services including Reports of Oireachtas Debates.

At present the Stationery Office is engaged in attempting to standardise certain papers in general use, with a view to arriving at what may prove to be an economic basis of output for manufacture within the Saorstát. While not responsible for such matters the Stationery Office feels that it should adopt such a standard as would nearly approach a suitable paper for use by commercial firms and by the trade generally. Quite a number of items of supply, hitherto imported, are now being produced within the Saorstát, and are supplied to the Stationery Office on a competitive basis. Manufacturers have responded very cordially to the invitation of the Stationery Office in the matter of the production of goods within the country, and with such general satisfaction as to encourage the office to pursue this policy to the utmost possible extent. Advertising has been adopted more generally than in past years, and the result is that many Stationery Office publications are now self-supporting and cost the State nothing. On the whole, Free State firms generously supported their advertising mediums.

I am pleased to hear the statement from the Minister, that the Stationery Office is actually interesting itself in the production and use of Irish made paper for commercial purposes. I am sure the office can by its own activities do a great deal to provide such standardisation as is necessary, and that that will lead to a great deal of activity in Irish paper production.

I want to make a plea again, as I did last year, for a reduction in the prices of official publications, beginning with the reports of the Dáil and Seanad debates. I think in respect to the publications which are necessarily printed, and the cost undertaken, that where there is to be any sale, such publications should be sold at prices covering the cost of the extra paper and machining. I do not know what principle has been adopted with regard to prices of Government publications, but, I believe it is very desirable that the greatest amount of public interest should be created in official publications, and that they should be priced at a figure which would encourage rather than repel purchase. Going through official publications one would imagine that it was the intention to make them prohibitive to the ordinary purchaser; that it was undesirable the public should see what is in them; that, though, you have to print them you would rather not, and, therefore, you make the price as high as possible. That is a bad policy and is not calculated to encourage the public to take an active interest in the details of public affairs. There has been some improvement. I do not think the improvement has gone far enough. It is not perhaps possible for the Minister to give us a detailed statement regarding the effect of the reduced prices on sales. I believe that the lower the price is the better; and that we ought to aim at covering the cost of the extra printing rather than making any profit; and aim at the widest possible publication and sale of such documents.

I think also that other methods should be adopted in regard to the sale of State publications. The official agents are I think Messrs. Eason & Sons of Dublin, and other places. I do not think they use their machinery in the country for the purpose of pushing the sale of official documents.

They may say: "It is not profitable to us and we cannot afford to do that. These things if not sold are not returnable and we are not going to have a risk. We are there to supply what is ordered." That is not satisfactory, especially in view of the fact that there is really no attempt at intelligent discrimination in setting out the official publications in Messrs. Eason's shops.

There is nobody there to explain what the things are, or to guide or to assist the purchasers in selection. There is no such thing as a librarian who understands these publications. They are kept in the cellar and although there are a few shown in the windows the whole set-out indicates the absence of push, and these official publications are looked upon as something quite subordinate to the sale of daily newspapers. I think that the whole policy should be recast and that it would be a great advantage for the creation of an intelligent public interest if the Stationery Office itself set up an establishment for the sale of Irish official publications and other official publications. It would be worth while losing a considerable sum of money on such a project, although I do not think there need be very much loss after the first year or two. I suggest to the Ministry, for their very careful consideration, that they should aim at as wide a circulation as possible of official publications, and that there should be first a reduction of price, and secondly, a new policy with regard to salesmanship.

Taking the last point first, the agent for Stationery Office publications is providing new and more suitable accommodation for the sale and display of Government publications. The prices of the Stationery Office publications are not based upon actual first-cost rates. It was felt that apart from possible sale of such publications the original or first-cost charges would in any event have to be undertaken for State and Service publications. The Stationery Office arranged in the early spring to revise pricing methods of its publications and these prices are now based on what would be reprint rates. The schedule for pricing foolscap folio size, 1 to 4 pages, 3d.; 5 to 8 pages, 6d.; 9 to 16 pages, 9d.; 16 to 32 pages, 1/-; 32 to 64 pages, 1/6; 64 to 96 pages, 2/-; 96 to 128 pages, 3/-; and 1/6 per additional 36 pages.

Royal Octavo Size—1 to 6 pages, 3d.; 6 to 12 pages, 6d.; 12 to 24, 9d.; 24 to 48, 1/-; 48 to 72, 1/3; 72 to 108, 2/-; 108 to 144, 3/-; and 1/- per additional 36 pages.

These prices compare more than favourably with similar publications produced by other publishers.

Can the Minister make available for the use of Deputies, free copies of reliable ordnance maps of their constituencies? I think free copies to Deputies would serve a very useful purpose. Some of them are very ignorant of the extent of their constituencies.

I would like to ask the Minister to take particular note of the point in regard to the assistance and guidance which could be given by a librarian in such an establishment in regard to the choice of publications. Unless the agents—Messrs. Eason's— are going to do that, the changes are not very valuable. Those of us who were in the habit of going to the old agents were able to get assistance and very intelligent assistance as well from the salesman.

Was that at Ponsonby's?

That is very true.

The salesman knew what he was selling, and I think that is the kind of officer that is required.

I am afraid he would have to be trained.

I am sure there are men, and perhaps women, too, competent to give such assistance. In this case you are not asking for a trained salesman. It is not trained as a salesman you want him, but trained as a librarian.

Quite right.

And I am sure that the value to the State of such an officer, even though paid by the bookseller, would be very great indeed.

I will undertake to bring that to the notice of the Stationery Office. I quite appreciate the importance of having a person of that type, but I am afraid he is both born and made. He has to acquire it, and certainly if they could get the man who was in Ponsonby's, he would be of very great use and assistance to persons who would require those publications.

Will the President consider my point?

I do not think the Deputy is in earnest. I think Deputies will be possibly offended if I did that.

On a point of explanation may I say that one Deputy just before the Vote to the Ministry of Industry and Commerce was taken, showed that he did not know that the River Barrow ran through his constituency at all.

Vote put and agreed to.
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