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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 29 Apr 1925

Vol. 11 No. 5

COMMITTEE ON FINANCE. - VOTE NO. 38—DUNDRUM ASYLUM.

I move:

38.--Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £8,347 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1926, chun íoctha Costaisí Coinneáil-suas Geilteanna Cuirpthe i nGealtlann Dúndroma.

38.—That a sum not exceeding £8,347 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1926, to pay the Expenses of the Maintenance of Criminal Lunatics in Dundrum Asylum.

The most striking feature about this Vote is the increase in the appropriations-in-aid. The other items are pretty much the same as last year. This increase arises from the fact that last year it was anticipated that a number of patients in this asylum belonging to Northern Ireland would be re-transferred, and no appropriation was anticipated to pay for them. During the year, however, it transpired that these persons were not going to be re-transmitted to Northern Ireland. Accordingly, their full appropriation fee was paid, and we are taking credit for it again this year. The Northern Government pays all the expenses of their patients in Dundrum. There has been a certain amount of adverse criticism of this asylum on the grounds that the cost per patient is higher than that of the ordinary district mental hospital. This arises from the fact that it is in some respects a unique institution. It is a criminal institution having some of the aspects of a jail. The inmates are practically all criminals who are mentally deficient. Accordingly, the cost of administering and keeping up this institution is higher per head than in the ordinary mental hospitals. The number of patients is also much smaller than in any other asylum, and accordingly the overhead charges bear a much higher proportion than in any other asylum. That is the reason why the Vote seems rather high when compared with other district asylums.

What is the figure per inmate?

I could not give that.

How many inmates are there?

I am not in a position to give the number, but I can get it for the Deputy.

I want to call attention to "H-Telegrams and Telephones." I see the amount has decreased from £160 to £60 per annum. It seems an extraordinary thing if it is possible to reduce the charges from £160 to £60. I am sure it does not mean that the Post Office is decreasing its charges.

I think that is more a matter for the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs. It is he who decides in advance what the expenditure should be. I do not know what the explanation is of the decrease. It is certainly very favourable anyway.

I would like to ask the Minister under what conditions criminal lunatics are kept in Dundrum Asylum. The reason I ask that is that I know cases where lunatics were sent to Dundrum Asylum during periods which were abnormal. According to the existing law these unfortunate people cannot apparently be kept there unless they are under a sentence and when that expires they are liable to be sent back to the local asylum from which they originally came. That seems to me a rather peculiar state of affairs, and I would like to hear the Minister's explanation.

I do not exactly know what information the Deputy requires. The facts are as he states. This is a criminal asylum, and is reserved exclusively for criminal lunatics. When they have served their sentence or ceased to be criminals they are returned to whatever institution is under an obligation to maintain them. I do not know that I can make any statement as to how they are treated. This is a semi-penal institution, where the inmates are under much closer supervision than ordinary mental cases. I do not think there is much difference in other respects.

If I might further explain the position—if a lunatic in a district asylum commits a serious assault he is tried and sentenced. I understand he is then confined in Dundrum. When he serves his period there he is sent back to the district asylum. He must commit another assault before he is again sent to Dundrum. In Dundrum he serves a sentence under similar conditions to that of a gaol. When that sentence is complete he is let loose on the local asylum again until he commits another offence, when he is again tried by the local court and sent back to Dundrum. If such a person is a really dangerous lunatic he ought to be kept in Dundrum while he is in that condition.

The Deputy is no doubt aware, as he is a member of it, that a Commission has been set up to inquire, amongst other things, into the working of mental hospitals and the treatment of mental cases. No doubt, the question he has raised will get very careful consideration from that Commission. At the present time there is no doubt that the asylum system leaves very much to be desired, as there has been no proper attempt made to segregate mental patients in anything like a scientific manner. I hope as a result of the deliberations amongst others of Deputy Myles that we will be able to arrive at a happier solution of this very difficult problem.

I desire to call the Minister's attention under sub-head (a), Salaries, Wages and Allowances, to the charge for locum tenens for the medical officers, £6 6s. weekly for fourteen weeks. As far as I can see, that represents seven weeks' leave for each medical officer. Does not that seem an extremely long leave for medical officers?

I do not think so, considering the nature of the duties. It is always taken into consideration that officers who have to deal with mental cases perform very disagreeable and very strenuous work, particularly when dealing with dangerous lunatics. Under the circumstances I do not think that the vacation would be considered unreasonably long.

In the appropriations-in-aid I find that provision is made for repayment by the Northern Government. Perhaps the Minister could state how many patients the Government of Northern Ireland have sent to Dundrum, and if there is not at least a possible hope of national unity even in this matter of dealing with criminal lunatics.

Vote put and agreed to.
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