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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 4 Aug 1932

Vol. 43 No. 11

Supplementary and Additional Estimates - Vote No. 41—Local Government and Public Health.

I move:

Go ndeontar suim bhreise ná raghaidh thar £140,000 chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1933, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí Oifig an Aire Rialtais Aitiúla agus Sláinte Puiblí maraon le Deontaisí agus Costaisí eile bhaineann le Tógáil Tithe, Deontaisí d'Udaráis Aitiúla, agus Ildeontaisí i gCabhair, agus Costaisí áirithe bhaineann le hOspidéil.

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £140,000 be granted to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1933, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of the Minister for Local Government and Public Health including Grants and other Expenses in connection with Housing, Grants to Local Authorities, and sundry Grants-in-Aid, and certain charges connected with Hospitals.

This is an Estimate of £140,000 for purposes connected with housing and I should like to explain to the House how that amount is made up. Under Section 11 of the Act which we have passed, provision is made in respect of outstanding claims under previous Housing Acts from 1925 to 1930— houses upon which claims have been made which have not been so far granted. There are 600 of such houses. Both public authorities and private persons are concerned in this amount of £33,000. I think that about £15,800 is due to private persons and about £17,120 to public authorities. The sum which was originally granted under previous Acts, as amended by the Act of 1931, amounted to £1,280,000 and under Section 11 of the Act we have increased that by £33,000 to meet these outstanding liabilities. There are also grants paid under Section 5, subsection (1), paragraph (a) of the Act in which there is a provision that where houses have been already commenced but not yet completed, or at any rate where houses will be completed before 31st December, 1932, but which had been begun after 1st April, 1929, grants may be paid. I have no information as to the exact number of cases in that category but there is no doubt that there is a number of such cases outstanding. There are also a number of cases in which builders expected to get grants under the 1931 Act.

Since the announcement of our own housing proposals, we have had very heavy applications for grants from private persons and public utility societies. These applications are in respect of some 2,000 houses and inquiries are being received at the rate of 100 per day. It is estimated that a very substantial sum will be needed to meet these even during the current year because what we are going to do is to pay instalments as the work proceeds. We expect that the first instalment in respect of a considerable number of these houses, applications for grants for which are at present being considered, will have to be paid during the current financial year. With regard to the provisions of the Act dealing with loan charges, I should explain that we consider that we have sufficient financial provision under the existing Estimate for the Department to deal with the loan charges, at least sufficient until the Autumn Session. We think it is quite likely that further Supplementary Estimates will have to be introduced to provide for additional advances from the Loan Fund. There is only one other matter that needs explanation and that is with respect to a sum of £10,000 which has been already granted under the Estimate for the Department in respect of the grants under the 1931 Act. The financial clauses under which it was granted and under which that £10,000 should be spent have been repealed so that the £10,000 is not needed and is an offset in the Estimate against the total of £150,000 leaving a net Supplementary Estimate of £140,000.

Is the Minister not in a position to estimate what number of houses will be commenced before the end of the financial year by the different classes of persons who are provided for in the Bill—private persons, public utility societies and local authorities?

I can only say that at present we have applications in the Department in respect of some 2,000 houses. About 800 of these applications are connected with grants for reconstruction. I am also informed that it is not really pertinent to this Estimate because works being carried through by local authorities would come under Section 6 of the Act dealing with the loan charges provision. As I explained, that will come up in the Autumn in connection with the further Supplementary Estimate. I am informed that in addition to the 2,000 houses in respect of which inquiries have been made, and others at the rate of 100 per day in respect of which we are receiving inquiries, that there are 21 local authorities who have already some 1,500 cottages or houses in hands. There is a further number of local authorities amounting to 39 who have preparations fairly well advanced, as regards the preliminary preparations at any rate, for the building of 3,700 houses. So that in all, there are some 7,200 houses either in the course of preparation or in respect of which inquiries or preliminary arrangements are being made.

Vote put and agreed to.
Estimate reported and agreed to.
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