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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 27 Jun 1933

Vol. 48 No. 10

In Committee on Finance. - Musk Rat Bill, 1933—Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The powers proposed to be taken in this Bill are such as will enable a Department to deal with musk rats, which have been found in the Nenagh district. A preliminary investigation has been made, and it shows that musk rats are well established in the district. A systematic campaign will have to be devised to secure their extermination. This may take some time. As Deputies are aware this menace has arisen in England where considerable difficulty has been found in getting rid of the rats. Special efforts in that direction are being made there, particularly in the Severn district, where an expert from the Continent has been secured. Even so, it is found very difficult to get rid of them.

We propose to send an officer of the Department over to see what measures they are taking there. As soon as we have his expert advice, we expect to be able to get after the pest here. There is provision in the Bill for licences for the keeping of musk rats. That, however, will be applied only in very few cases—probably such places as the Zoological Gardens and centres of research such as might be attached to universities. It would probably be advisable to have these rats in such places as the Zoological Gardens so that people would know what they are like. It might be necessary to do some research in some of our laboratories to see if we could find an effective way of getting rid of these rats otherwise than by trapping. Provision is also being made for the licensing of those who may wish to purchase the pelts. That is necessary to keep a check on the destruction and also to prevent what might become a profitable business if a certain reward were offered——

Dr. Ryan

It is necessary to prevent what might become a profitable business—the breeding of the rats for the sake of getting the reward. Provision is also made for compensation for the destruction of musk rats which were under control on the 21st February, 1933. Prior to that time, permits were given for the importation of musk rats under the ordinary Diseases of Animals Regulations. There may be people who imported these rats in good faith. We feel that they should be compensated if we ask them now to destroy those rats. I do not think that there are many of them in the country. In the Department of Agriculture, we only know of seven such rats in the country. Power is also taken to enter upon lands for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of the Bill. At present, we have no power to send the police or authorised officers or anybody else in on lands unless the owners give their permission. We are taking power to enter lands, where necessary, for the purpose of destroying those rats. Under the last clause of the Bill, if there is a menace of this kind in the future caused by some animal that we do not contemplate at present, it will be possible for us to apply, by order, the provisions of this Bill to such a menace without coming to the Dáil. It will not be necessary to bring in another Bill of this kind to deal with such a menace. We have not any such menace in mind at present but we want to have the necessary powers.

Pending the machinery that is to be created as a result of the passing of this Bill, is the Minister doing anything to carry on the war against the musk rats?

Dr. Ryan

No.

Will the Minister exert himself, in due time, to find a foreign market for these musk rats?

There is no duty on them going across yet.

Practically the whole of this Bill seems to be devoted to giving the Minister power to issue licences. Until the Minister gave his explanation, that aroused a lot of disquiet. I understand from the Minister that the licences are to be strictly limited to the Zoo and research institutions. I do not know if the Minister made reference to people keeping the rats as pets.

Dr. Ryan

No. They will be kept only for educational purposes.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 4th July, 1933.
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