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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 2 Aug 1934

Vol. 53 No. 16

Supplementary Estimate. - Limerick City Management Bill, 1934—Committee.

Sections 1 to 6 agreed to.
SECTION 7.
(1) A city election shall be held—
(a) within three months after the passing of this Act, and
(b) in the year in which a triennial election of members of the Council of the County of Limerick is first held after the expiration of two years from the passing of this Act, and
(c) in every third year after the year in which a city election is held in pursuance of the next preceding paragraph of this sub-section.

I move amendment No. 1:—

In sub-section (1), page 5, to delete paragraphs (b) and (c) and substitute for the paragraphs so deleted the following paragraph:—

(b) in the year 1937 and in every third year thereafter.

It is felt that it is better to have a definite date fixed for the holding of the triennial elections. Otherwise, the Limerick Corporation would not be sure when the elections would take place, as the dates might vary considerably owing to changes which might be made in connection with the dates for the county councils.

Amendment agreed to.
Section, as amended, agreed to.
Sections 8 to 10 agreed to.
SECTION 11.

I move amendment No. 2:—

In sub-section (2), page 7, to add at the end of the sub-section a new paragraph as follows:—

(c) compliance with the requirements of sub-section (1) of Section 8 of the Vocational Education Act, 1930 (No. 29 of 1930), so far as the said sub-section (1) relates to membership of the City of Limerick Vocational Education Committee.

This amendment is introduced to bring the section into compliance with the requirements of sub-section 1 of Section 8 of the Vocational Education Act, 1930.

Amendment agreed to.
Section, as amended, agreed to.
Sections 12 to 43 agreed to.
First and Second Schedules and Title agreed to.
Bill reported with amendments.
Agreed: That the Final Stages be taken now.
Question: "That the Bill be received for final consideration"— put and agreed to.
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass."

There is just one remark I would like to make on the measure, and it is that the Ministerial Party at times make a virtue of paying people small salaries. Now that Limerick, in its particular difficulty, has asked to be provided with the machinery that has already been provided for Dublin and Cork, the Minister, through some machinery or another, will be finding a manager for the City of Limerick. The problem of the City of Limerick, in normal circumstances, may be regarded as minor, perhaps, when classed with the problems to be dealt with in cities like Dublin and Cork, but, nevertheless, the real problems and the type of work that will have to be performed by a manager in the City of Limerick are of a very high order. The Minister will not be able to get either the character or quality required to stand over the affairs of the city, in co-operating with the council, in looking after the general interests of the ratepayers, in foreseeing the city's problems and helping both the citizens and their council to make arrangements in advance to deal with them in the most satisfactory way if he fixes some small and meagre salary for the city manager. I consider a case could be made that a man of the calibre that would satisfactorily run Limerick could do a lot more in his more or less spare official time, but nevertheless I do not think that any consideration such as that should operate with the Minister in settling what the salary and emoluments of the manager in the City of Limerick should be. I think they should be such that will attract a type of person both in character and ability that will be able to do the very difficult and responsible job, which I am sure the Minister realises the city manager in a city of any size will be called upon to do. That is the only matter that I wish to refer to on this stage of the Bill.

I would like to join with Deputy Mulcahy in the appeal that he has made to the Minister. I believe that everything will depend on the person who is appointed city manager. I am sure that the Deputies representing the city and the Deputies from the county will not cavil about the amount of salary that is paid to a competent person to take charge of the municipal affairs of the city. Under this Bill all power is placed in the manager. I appeal to the Minister to take care to see that a competent and efficient person is appointed to discharge the responsibilities placed on him under this measure.

The Minister to conclude.

I think Deputy Reidy will realise that the appointment of the manager is not a matter for me.

I think that, in the first instance, the Minister has power to appoint a person in a temporary capacity.

The appointment of a permanent manager will be a matter for the Local Appointments Commission. The matter that Deputy Mulcahy mentioned is an important one. I agree with him, and I agree with Deputy Reidy, that on the person to be appointed there will fall very heavy duties and responsibilities, and that the very greatest care must be taken to select a person who will be fully equal to the great responsibilities that the managership of a large growing city like Limerick will put upon his shoulders. I am sure there are men to be had in the country who have the knowledge and experience as well as fitness in other respects — in character and otherwise — for this responsible post. While I have given some thought to the question of the amount of salary to be paid, I have not fully made up my mind on it. I would say clearly to the House and to Deputy Mulcahy that my desire certainly is not to be mean with regard to salary in this matter, or with regard to salaries in other matters where officials generally, in the Government service or in the service of local authorities are concerned. I would like to see a salary fixed for the post that would attract the right type of man.

There is, I suggest, no comparison between the amount of work to be done by the manager of a city like Limerick with its population, and the work to be done by, say, the City Manager in cities like Cork and Dublin. There is a very considerable difference in the amount of work and responsibility, and naturally some consideration has to be given to the question of the remuneration in the light of the comparison that might be made. At any rate, I would like to see a salary fixed that would attract what I would regard as the right type of man, because if we do not get the right type of man for Limerick or any other city — I am told that there are other cities thinking now much on the same lines as the Limerick Corporation have been thinking in the last year or two: they are thinking of changing their system —then the whole city managership system would collapse. The success of it depends on getting the right type of person. Therefore I would like to see a man selected who would rise to his responsibilities. I certainly will give very serious consideration, indeed, to the question of salary, because I know that on that will depend the future successful working of the managership system in Limerick and elsewhere.

Before the Bill finally passes I would like to deal with a reference that was made here on the Second Reading of the Bill.

The Minister has been called on to conclude.

Am I out of order?

I will hear the Deputy if he merely desires to raise a small point.

I will be brief. I just want to say this much before the Bill passes. A reference was made here on the Second Stage of the Bill to an official who was appointed as Commissioner to administer the affairs of the Limerick County Borough Board of Health from 1929 to 1931. That official was charged with employing slave labour. Some references of that kind were made. I want to say, in defence of that official, that he did more for the poor of Limerick City in the way of setting up proper hospital accomodation and dealing with the poor law services of Limerick, than the Committee of Management and the board of health who were occupying the administrative position for nine years before.

I think the Deputy having said so much, should rest satisfied, and not pursue a line, which might raise a controversy or provoke interruptions.

Question: "That the Bill do now pass"— put and agreed to.
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