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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 14 Apr 1937

Vol. 66 No. 6

Financial Resolutions. - Resolution No. 1—Income-tax and Surtax.

I move:—

(1) That income-tax shall be charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1937, at the rate of 4/6 in the £.

(2) That surtax for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1937, shall be charged in respect of the income of any individual the total of which from all sources exceeds £1,500 and shall be so charged at the same rates as those at which it was charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1936.

(3) That the several statutory and other provisions which were in force during the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1936, in relation to income-tax and surtax shall have effect in relation to the income-tax and surtax to be charged as aforesaid for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1937.

(4) It is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

This fixes the income-tax and surtax at the prevailing rates.

The Budget statement to which we have just listened might possibly be divided into five parts. The first part dealt with the receipts and expenditure of last year —how the Budget of last year balanced; the next three parts were devoted almost exclusively to politics, Party politics, and the last part to the Budget of the present year. The outstanding facts of the situation amount to this, that last year the Minister budgeted to receive £30,191,500 and this year he budgets to receive £31,051,000. You may say it is an unfair comparison, so I will give him another figure. Last year he received £31,034,000 and this year he is budgeting to receive £17,000 more. When we review what are called his concessions, the remissions, the reductions in taxation, we have a right to revert to the sum total of the money which is being levied off the people. No matter what concessions one grants, what remissions one makes, what reductions are embodied in the Budget, the sum total is the thing which affects the people of the country. Unfortunately, this Budget is conditioned by the politics of the Government. One might say the politics of the Government run through their whole financial policy.

It may, perhaps, amuse the Minister to review the financial agreements of the last 15 years, but at any rate that Government over there have no financial agreements to the credit. They never made an agreement with anybody about finance. They merely make scapegoats of civil servants. In essence, when the agreements that we made in 1923 and which they, by a peculiar political dishonesty of their own call secret agreements, are taken into account, and when the results of them are weighed in comparison with their nonsense of the last five years, we find that their non-agreement is responsible for getting out of the people of this country, at greater cost, at a greater dislocation of trade, at a greater loss to the unfortunate farming community, a sum of money far in excess of that stipulated in the agreements that were made.

For the benefit of those who are supporters of the Government let me say this, that any agreement that any Minister makes anywhere, or that the Executive Council make, even with their seal, is not worth the paper that it is written on unless Parliament by legislation votes the money. Not a sixpence can the whole 12 Ministers of State give to any person without the authority of Parliament in this country. Even that money which is voted under the heading of secret service must be voted before they can spend it. Obviously they wish to mislead the people of this country into thinking that any Minister of State or any person can commit this State to any financial agreement without the authority of Parliament. When they seek to do that they are misleading the people and are telling untruths. Worse than that, when they try to get the people to think that a Minister of State either past or present ever did that, they are telling what they know to be untruths. Unless they are dishonest, unless they are rogues, or unless they are knaves——

I am sure the Deputy is aware that he must not declare that any Minister or Deputy made an untrue statement, knowing it to be untrue.

Yes, Sir, that is quite true. Is there an objection to anything I have said?

I understood Deputy Cosgrave to say that they made statements, knowing them to be untrue.

Is it not a fact that they know well they are untrue?

I want to get this made perfectly clear. Is there an objection to what I have said?

There is. If the Deputy stated that a Minister or any other Deputy in this House said something that he knew to be untrue, then that is a statement that should not be made here.

Will it put the matter entirely to your satisfaction if I say that I am prepared to withdraw whatever I have said, if it runs contrary to your judgment of what is in order?

Very well, I will do that. The Minister, in the course of his Budget statement, gave us a great number of figures. He takes into account two assets—I presume he claims to have created them himself. One is a sum of money, some £6,000,000, which was in the Local Loans Fund, and he puts that on the asset side of his account. The other is a sum of £4,000,000 of what is called the funded annuities. Those two are regarded as assets. One is at present in dispute with the British Government, the £6,000,000. I will allow the Minister to intervene and say that is not so. He said so last year.

The sum of £6,000,000 is in dispute. It is still the subject of penal tariffs. The £4,000,000 represents funded annuities and other things of that sort. Now, as regards an asset, one assesses the value of an asset from the value of the solvency of the person concerned. If we are told that the unfortunate farmers have not been able to pay their land annuities, that they have to be put out on a long-dated loan—then, if that is to be regarded as an asset, he is welcome to it. I do not think he will get anybody in a banking institution to give the same value to that particular asset. It is guaranteed to this extent, that if it is not paid the ratepayers will be called upon to meet it. It is deducted from the moneys voted here, but that is all there is to it. I submit that these two sums of £10,000,000 have no right to be regarded as assets or as having been created by this Government, and to that extent his balance sheet falls.

To come back to the Budget itself, we are told that last year's Budget balanced with a surplus of £464,000. I concede that there was a surplus of £464,000. It is a surplus which can be defended. There is no bad finance in connection with it, even though the Budget of last year was based on bad finance. The Minister was proposing to borrow something like £900,000 in respect of bounties and subsidies, but it has not been necessary to do it and there is a surplus. Let us look at another figure. Last year we were told that a definite and determined effort was to be made on the unemployment problem in this country. We accepted that in good faith. We taxed the people of this country to a higher degree than ever they have been taxed before to achieve that purpose. We started off on the assumption that something like £2,500,000 was to be expended in order to relieve unemployment. What happened? The unemployment assistance voted last year amounted to £433,325. There was to be taken from that for unemployment schemes £550,000, leaving a net sum to be spent on unemployment assistance of £883,325. The unemployment fund itself amounted to £1,675,000 and for public works and buildings we voted a sum of £883,396, making in all a sum of £3,391,721.

What was spent? On unemployment assistance, £1,119,331; on the unemployment schemes, £790,000; on relief schemes, £26,325; and on public works and buildings, £601,707; making a total of £2,537,363—£854,000 short of what was voted. Were those votes put up to this House, and was taxation imposed during the year, in good faith, to spend that money? Had it been spent, the Minister would have been £400,000 on the wrong side; he would have had to borrow from some source or other. What was the meaning of voting £4 to these unfortunate unemployed people and giving them only £3? What was the meaning of giving them only 15/-, when we had arranged to give them £1? Were they so well paid that they did not need it? Were they not there? Would it not have been possible to prevent so many of these unfortunate unemployed people going across the water to find employment, if that money had been spent, and was it good business to bring in that Budget here last year and say that we were justified in borrowing money for that purpose? They are the unfortunate unemployed; but we are told now that we have a surplus: that we have a buoyant revenue and that we are doing well. But balancing budgets at the cost of these unfortunate people is not good business or sound business, and the Minister deserves no credit in respect of it.

This year we are having a higher revenue anticipated than ever we had before. Circumstances, as the Minister said, all show buoyancy—people are more prosperous, they are doing better, there is greater scope for the collection of revenue, and yet, when all that is so, it is necessary to vote something like £3,500,000 to relieve and help people who otherwise would be left practically penniless and, possibly, destitute. Now, this scheme of high taxation presses particularly heavily at the present moment on a country two-thirds of the people of which are engaged on agriculture. We are told by the Minister that the prices of agricultural produce are rising. So they are, but no thanks to the Government or their policy. It is the world price. What are the facts? Why, even in this year's Estimates there is £80,000 for calf-skins—a potential asset those calves. In a few years' time, possibly, they might be worth £1,000,000—but the result of the policy of destruction carried out for the last two or three years in this country is that we are now left short of agricultural produce to sell; and that is now regarded as bringing us into an era of prosperity. It is a great matter that agricultural prices have risen—a very great matter—but the great pity of it is that there was not a wiser policy on the part of the Government to ensure that, when those rising prices would come, we would have the stock to sell. I notice also, in connection with the Budget of this year, and comparing it with the Budget of a few years ago, that taxation, we have found, and the Minister has found, is capable of being raised in bulk from only the wage-earning classes of this country. We have a very small proportion of rich people in this country. Our yield from income-tax and super-tax, etc., is something like £6,000,000. Out of £30,000,000 it is about one-fifth. I do not know that it is even that much. Across the water, income-tax and super-tax come to about one-third of the revenue. Consequently, when high taxation is imposed, it falls upon the classes of persons who, normally, cannot bear any additional burden.

We find, apart from this Budget altogether, that there are increased costs, arising out of Government policy, on flour, sugar, butter, bacon and several other items, but these are outstanding. These are phenomenal. A member of this Party went into a shop in his constituency, which is close to the Border, a short time ago, and he purchased a number of items which would comply with the normal expenditure of a family of about six or eight persons—tea, sugar, flour, tobacco, butter, bread and oaten meal—and the sum total of the bill was 12/10½. He crossed the Border and gave exactly the same order in a business house over there, and the bill was 9/10. What is it that has increased prices here, when agricultural prices are below prewar prices?

Now, let us look at the contribution that is being made by the Ministry to deal with that situation—and it is a serious situation: a very serious situation, as they will find out in a very short time, whether they like it or not, and you have the evidence in the City of Dublin and in the City of Cork. The contribution they propose to make is that they are taking off the duty on wheat, the value of which is £170,000. We consume somewhere around 3,000,000 sacks of flour here, and £170,000, distributed over that number of sacks of flour, amounts to about 1/1½ per sack. A family will consume, normally, about six sacks of flour a year, and the remission on that, therefore, is 6/9. The remission on 1 lb. of tea is 4d., and on 10 lbs. of sugar is 2½d.—that is 6½d. per week, or £1 8s. 2d. in the year. If you add the 6/9 to that, it amounts to £1 15 s., all but one penny. That represents 7d. per week. In other words, 7d. per week is being allowed off now from the person who can buy goods on this side of the Border for 12/10 and, on the other side of the Border, for 9/10—and that is the contribution towards the solution of our political problem in this country.

It has been complained of us on this side of the House that whatever contributions come from this side of the House are in the nature of wails and jeremiads and so on. Within the last 18 months, Deputy Mulcahy referred here on several occasions to the cost of coal, and his calling attention to that matter had the effect of persuading the Minister to take it off.

Now, by reason of the attention that has been called to the rise in the cost of living in the past 12 months, the Government have come down on tea, sugar and flour.

And on butter.

And on butter, yes. Will they go further? They say they have the machinery. They say they have these commissions and all the rest of it. Will they inquire into these matters, and see what it is that is putting up the cost of certain articles far beyond the normal price and far beyond the price which the farmers are getting for them? That is their job. If we had that question dealt with, in the three-fourths of the Budget which has been devoted to political matters, it would be much better, and the Minister would be in much better humour. He would not have to force a smile——

Or if we had that £47,000,000 which you gave away.

£47,000,000? I never gave away a penny, not one. I never did anything in this Parliament, or in any other Parliament in which I have sat, that that Parliament had not authorised, and I have never been afraid to meet British Ministers in council. What is more, under the financial agreement of 1925, which gentlemen over there will not dispute and about which they will not quarrel with the British—they cling on to it— they pay a quarter of a million a year although they condemn it as having clamped partition on this country. Why not go over and take them all up from the beginning to the end?

The 1925 bargain was ratified by Parliament?

Yes, and the 1923 agreement was voted on by Parliament. Might I remind the Minister, furthermore, that an undertaking to pay these annuities was given in 1922 by General Collins to the British, and he was worth the whole Fianna Fáil Party multiplied from one end to the other.

The public evidence available seems to be at variance with that statement.

The Minister will find it in a British document—C.P. 6348. It provided that, pending a definite scheme of capitalisation, the Irish Government should collect and transmit the annuities.

Possibly the Deputy's recollection may be better than mine, but I remember a footnote——

If the Minister saw that footnote, would he raise his voice so that we could hear him?

——to certain heads, under which the Treaty was to be implemented, in which there was a definite reservation by General Collins in relation to the annuities.

What was the reservation?

It was held over for further consideration.

Will the Minister produce the document?

I am speaking from recollection.

The document is on the premises. Will the Minister produce it? I have quoted it many times and it has never been held in dispute by anybody. Assuming that it was not so, and that the Minister is right, why change the law and not let the matter be settled by the courts? There was an action taken in order to have the matter tested in court and what was the answer of the Ministry? To bring in a Bill stipulating that the annuities should go into the Exchequer. However, the point is that Ministers have made no agreement, financial or otherwise, which has not been disadvantageous to this country. Civil servants made them for them. They made none themselves. Let them improve on any settlements that have been made and they will find this difference between the reception that their efforts will get from me and the reception, whatever I did, got from them. If they can improve on anything I have done, I shall be delighted. Nothing will please me more. Whether Ministers like it or not, we are rooted in the soil. We are Irish, and we realise that any advantage accruing to this country is a national advantage. It does not matter who is responsible for it, not the least.

I am speaking more as a business man than a politician and I say this is the worst Budget we have had yet. It seeks to collect more money from the people than has ever been collected before. We do not know what other disadvantages may follow from it. One thing certain is that the signs are all against what the Minister has stated—the signs of people leaving the country, the signs of the increased cost of living and the unrest that arises out of it, the signs that the people have definitely made up their minds that whether or not the Government reduces the cost of living, the people certainly will put in another Government that will.

So far as particular sections of this Budget have the effect of reducing the price of certain commodities which are staple articles of food in many working-class families, I welcome them. But, having regard to the tendency to increase prices, I am afraid that the Budget shows very little appreciation of the difficulties under which working-class people are being compelled to try to make ends meet to-day. All the indications of the past two years convince one that there has been a substantial upward tendency in the price of certain articles of food and the reduction in prices, which will be effected by the Budget, does very little, except in one particular respect, to bring the price of these articles of foodstuffs down to the 1933 level. There have been complaints on all sides that the effect of the rising prices has been to reduce the purchasing power of very large sections of the people. While there are some sections of the community who, by their industrial or economic strength may be able in some measure to overcome the reduction in the purchasing power, there are large sections of the community who are utterly unable to find any such remedy for the difficulties in which they are placed by reason of rising prices. The tens of thousands of unemployed people who are registered at the employment exchanges, who are endeavouring to exist on a static income from this source, never had their position readjusted in the light of rising prices. Agricultural workers who have been employed at low wages in an industry, which has been suffering from unparalleled depression for many years, have not found it possible to secure an increase in their remuneration in order to compensate them for the reduction in the purchasing power of their incomes.

Although we passed a couple of months ago a Bill to enable an arbitration board to be established, to regulate and fix minimum rates of wages for agricultural workers, we find that the Minister for Agriculture, in the time at his disposal since, has not yet been able to constitute an agricultural wages board, consisting only of 12 persons, which might in some measure enable agricultural labourers to have their particular difficulties dealt with. The effect of this whole tendency of rising prices has been to inflict, on lowly paid people and on unemployed workers, very grievous injury, indeed, and I am afraid this Budget does not adequately appreciate the difficulties in which these people are placed.

On the 10th of last month, I asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce to state in respect of the years 1933 and 1937, the average retail prices during the month of January of certain commodities at Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, Tullamore and Naas. The figures at Naas and Tullamore were not available. The Minister provided this very interesting statement which will give the House some picture of the increased cost of living, and enable it to appreciate the extent to which that increase bears with rigour on working class people. The Minister stated that in 1933 the price of coal was 30d. per cwt. in Dublin. In 1937 the price of the same coal was 34d. per cwt. There is no proposal in this Budget to effect any reduction in the price of coal. In 1933 the price of household flour was 22d. per stone. In 1937 the price was 36d. per stone—an increase of 14d. per stone in the meantime—and the proposal in this Budget is to take less than 1d. per stone off the increased price.

It is dearer now.

Well, I am quoting from the Minister's figures. Flour, which cost 22d. per stone in 1933, costs 36d. to-day, and now under this Budget it is going to cost 35d. per stone, but the House will notice that there is still an increase of 13d. per stone, comparing the 1933 figures with the figures for 1937. This Budget does nothing whatever to reduce the price of bread. Bread cost 4¼d. per 2 lb. loaf in 1933, and it cost 5½d. in January, 1937. That price has been further increased since that date. In respect of tea, there is admittedly a reduction of 4d. per lb. In respect of sugar, the price in 1933 was 2½d. per lb. It is now 3½d. per lb., but this Budget is going to take ¼d. off the penny increase which has taken place between 1933 and 1937. In respect of potatoes, there has been a substantial rise in price. The average price in January, 1933 and 1934, was 8d. per stone; it rose to 10d. in 1935, and has been 1/- for 1936 and 1937.

In respect of bacon, which can now be purchased only by a person of very substantial means, there is no proposal whatever in this Budget which will deal with the situation. According to the Departmental figures, the price of Irish streaky bacon in 1933 was 14d. per lb. According to the Minister, in January, 1937, it was 19d. per lb., but I should like to invite the Minister to try to purchase Irish streaky bacon at 19d. per lb. to-day. According to the Minister's own figures, therefore, there was an increase of 5d. per lb. between 1933 and 1937, and there is no proposal in this Budget to bring any relief to those who have as much right as the wealthy classes in the community to consume bacon when they want to do so.

Beef and mutton prices increased from 1933 to 1937, but that may be due to the fact that the 1933 level was abnormally low. When we come to put some valuation on the reduction in the price of butter effected by this Budget, we must go back and look at the tendency of butter prices in recent years. According to the Departmental figures, the price in 1933 was 15d. per lb.; in 1934, 16d.; in 1935, 1936 and 1937 the price has been 17d. per lb. The reduction in the price of butter which is now taking place under this Budget does nothing more than bring the price of butter back to the 1933 level. In some counties, of course, the farmers' butter, which fetches a higher price than creamery butter, is much beyond the figure that it was in 1933. When you come, therefore, to construe the Budget, which gives less than 1d. off a stone of flour, ¼d. off a lb. of sugar, 2d. off a lb. of butter, and 4d. off a lb. of tea, you put those on one side of the account, and remembering that the price of a wide variety of articles—including these articles, with the exception of tea— increased enormously from 1933, have increased still further during the past year and are increasing even during the present year, it will be seen that this Budget is not making any satisfactory contribution to the serious economic position which confronts persons trying to follow rising prices with low wages, with no wages, or with a static rate of wages.

We are told in the first page of the Budget statement—and the same mentality runs through the whole Budget— that there has been a general increase in prosperity. The Minister says in the first page that last year he was content with a total revenue of £30,000,000 odd from taxation and otherwise, but in fact he got £31,000,000 odd, and that he cannot therefore refrain from indulging in retrospect at this not unagreeable development. In the next sentence he tells us he must claim that this is explainable only on the basis of a general increase in prosperity. We are told right through the other sections of the Budget statement that there has been that increase in prosperity—that that is the only explanation for the buoyancy which is displayed in quite a number of figures referred to in the Minister's statement. I am quite familiar with this prosperity talk which is going on. It is the stock in trade at every banquet in the city, but it is only at the banquets that the prosperity can be seen; it is only there that the prosperity is heard of.

If the Minister really believes that there is prosperity in the country, then there are sections of the community who have a claim to share in that prosperity, much better, for instance, than the banks, who are getting a remission in stamp duty under this particular Budget, and much better, probably, than those who are going to get certain concessions under the reduction in Post Office charges. If there is prosperity in the country, then we ought to share that prosperity with the worst-off section of the community, and that is the tens of thousands of people who are satisfying the rigorous test of unemployment imposed under the Unemployment Assistance Act.

With all this prosperity, with all this talk of the relatively small sum of dead-weight national debt, with all this talk of the secure and reliable assets which exist on the part of the State against a large portion of this debt, we can see no evidence whatever of any desire on the part of the Executive Council—if this Budget is a declaration of their policy—to deal effectively, to deal sympathetically, with the very worst problem which confronts the country in the form of unemployment. The minor relief schemes, with their odious condition of rotational employment, have now finished. There is a large measure of unemployment, particularly in the rural areas throughout the country, and this Budget is not giving any great indication that that problem is going to be faced up to in a more satisfactory way during the present year than it was during the past year. Even worse than the reluctance to face up to the problem of unemployment is the fact that the State seems to be perfectly satisfied with continuing the present miserably low rates of unemployment assistance benefit. In the face of the increased cost of living which the Minister's own figures indicate, in the face of the well-known and widespread fact that prices have increased and are continuing to increase further, the Executive Council appears to be satisfied with an Unemployment Assistance Act which provides that the maximum rate of unemployment assistance benefit payable in rural areas, and in every town with a population of less than 7,000, is to be 12/6 per week. It is extremely difficult for most applicants to get 2/6 per week. How is a man, in the face of these substantial increases in the price of foodstuffs, expected to be able to make ends meet on the miserable income which he receives in the form of unemployment assistance benefit?

A question addressed to the Minister for Defence a few days ago elicited the information that, by buying foodstuffs wholesale, the cost of feeding a soldier in the Army for a week was 6/8 and, in some cases, 6/9, and yet an unemployed man is expected to be able to keep himself, his wife and five or six children on twice that amount per week, as well as pay rent, buy clothes for himself, his wife and children and meet all the other expenses incidental to private life. A question addressed to the Minister for Justice elicited the fact that, again, by buying foodstuffs wholesale, the actual cost of providing food only for a convict was 3/11 per week. A man in receipt of unemployment assistance benefit cannot give himself, under the Unemployment Assistance Act, the same quantity of food, even if he could purchase it at wholesale rates, as the State gives to a man when it finds it necessary to detain him in a prison in this State. In the face of these facts, based as they are on official statistics, to talk about prosperity in the Budget, while leaving a problem of that kind untouched, is an evasion of the real responsibility of the Executive Council in this matter. If there is to be a Budget surplus, it ought to be used entirely to reduce the cost of living, and it ought to be used also to confer benefits on the worst off section of the community.

The Executive Council's responsibility does not end there. We had declarations from the President in other days that there was no reason why unemployment should exist in this country. We had declarations by the Minister for Defence to the effect that it was probably a good job there were so many people idle in the country to do all the work that the Government was going to make available for them; and we had the Minister for Industry and Commerce, of course, with his plan which was going to absorb, not merely every idle worker in the country, but under the operation of which it would be necessary to bring back the emigrants. Now, the position is that, far from bringing back the emigrants, we are not even able to stop emigration from the country itself. The rates of unemployment assistance benefit are becoming lower every day by reason of the increased cost of foodstuffs and are not able to keep the people in the country. If there is prosperity, if there is the buoyancy in financial matters indicated by this Budget statement, if there is evidence of widespread prosperity, it is the obvious responsibility of the Executive Council to share it with that section of the community most in need of it. That is not done in this Budget, and until it is done in the Budget then, from the standpoint of that section of the community, the Budget, while it may make some small contribution to their difficulties, cannot be regarded by any means as a satisfactory Budget.

Mr. Morrissey rose.

I understand the usual practice with regard to the Financial Resolutions is that one member from each Party expresses its views on the Budget, and that the debate proper is reserved for the General Resolution.

That has been the practice.

I do not want to cut across the practice at all.

Would the Minister say how much the rate in this resolution is above the rate charged in 1931-32?

9d., but again, 9d. with distinct reservations. The allowances which are now granted are such that the actual rate of tax is, for most taxpayers, substantially below what it was in the period referred to by the Deputy.

Has the Minister ever heard any, or, shall I say, most taxpayers on that subject?

If the Deputy wishes to debate that subject on the general resolution, I shall be glad to deal very fully with it.

There will be other matters to deal with on the general resolution.

Resolution No. 1 agreed to.
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