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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 14 Dec 1937

Vol. 69 No. 15

Irish Nationality and Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 1937—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. The object of this Bill is to amend the provision of the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1935 which requires that the registration of persons entitled to acquire citizenship by registration must be effected within two years from the date of the passing of the Act. The provision in question is contained in sub-section (5) of Section 2 of the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1935. The persons to whom the provision relates are persons born before the 6th December, 1922, either in Ireland, or of parents one of whom was born in Ireland, who were not domiciled in Ireland on the 6th December, 1922 and consequently did not become citizens under Article 3 of the Constitution of Saorstát Eireann. Such persons if still living abroad and not naturalized citizens of any other country were enabled by the Act of 1935 to become citizens of this country by the simple process of registration. The registration was effected in a register of nationals kept in an Irish Legation or Irish Consulate in the country in which the applicants resided, or if there were no Irish Legation or Irish Consulate in that country, in the general register of nationals kept in the Department of External Affairs. The registration, however, had to be effected within a period of two years from the date of the passing of the Act of 1935. That Act became law on the 10th April, 1935 and, consequently, the period in which registration could legally be effected expired on the 9th-10th April of the present year.

A large number of applications by persons who would be eligible for registration but for the expiration of the time-limit of two years imposed by the sub-section in question have been received since 10th April last, and it is thought that in these and in future cases where the Minister for Justice is satisfied that applicants should be admitted to citizenship the statutory limitation of time should be removed. That is the only amendment of the Act of 1935 proposed in the present Bill.

It applies only to a certain class?

Only to those I have mentioned—those who were born in Ireland, or of parents one of whom was born in Ireland, who were not domiciled in Ireland, and who did not come under Article 3 of the old Constitution. To become citizens, those of them who were living abroad had to register in a register within a period of two years, with, of course, the necessity of Ministers being satisfied, and so on. That period of two years has now elapsed, and we have a number of applications with which we want to deal.

It does not apply to ordinary aliens?

Will the President, at this stage, give us some information as to the number of persons who have acquired citizenship under the Principal Act?

I am afraid the Deputy will have to get that information by way of Parliamentary question. I could not give the exact number at the moment.

But we are dealing with a Bill to amend the nationality and citizenship laws——

On an amending Bill, the administration of the Principal Act does not arise, neither do the provisions of the Principal Act, except in so far as they are affected by the amendments proposed.

The point which I was about to make was that we are now extending the provisions of the Principal Act in certain limited directions. I suggest that it would not be out of place if, at this stage, the President were to indicate the extent to which citizenship has been conferred on persons who are not citizens by birth on the soil. I wonder if the President would do that on the next stage? It may be that the President will say that, periodically, there is a list of persons published on whom citizenship has been conferred, but it is not easy to collate statistics in that disjointed way, nor does it give the information I require, namely, on what nationalities are we conferring Irish citizenship.

The Chair has no doubt about that matter not being relevant to this Bill. One question arises, that is, whether it is advisable to remove the time limit in respect of certain limited classes of people applying for citizenship.

The proposition is to increase the number of citizens in this State. May not one of the considerations that will influence the judgment of a Deputy in coming to a decision on that be the number of people, with no connection whatever with this nation, who have acquired citizenship? If, for instance, a large number of that kind have got citizenship, it is all the more reason for admitting the others—those mentioned in this Bill. That is a very good argument that could be brought forward for those who might support this Bill, namely, why not give it to people who have been born here or to people whose parents were born here when we are giving it possibly rather generously to people who had no connection whatever with this country? Surely that is a very relevant argument and a very relevant reason why this information should be given on the next stage.

I submit that when we are amending the main Act, we are obviously doing something which has a relation to the number of persons who are citizens of this country, and that it is not irrelevant to ask the President at this stage for information as to the number of persons of alien birth upon whom we have conferred Irish citizenship. I am asking the President if he would not get that information for the Committee Stage, so that we may have a picture of the way in which the main Act is being used and know the extent to which we are conferring Irish nationality on persons who are not of Irish birth.

I could easily get the information for the Deputy in answer to a Parliamentary Question. I can get it if we are not going to take all the stages of this Bill to-day. We could possibly get it for the next stage, but this is a Bill that has reference only to those born in Ireland or born of parents one of whom was born in Ireland. It has nothing whatever to do with aliens and the information for which I asked, as being relevant to this stage, was the number of applications pending of the class of people dealt with in the Bill. There are some 608 applications pending of persons either born in Ireland or one of whose parents was Irish. I do not think that any considerations such as the Deputy mentions would militate against its passing. They might be a further reason for passing it but, at any rate, I do not think that any consideration as to the number of other nationalities that were received into citizenship would militate against its passing. If there were a number of them, it would be an extra reason for passing it, so as to get in a greater number of Irish blood or parentage.

If we gave all the stages to-morrow, would the President have the information ready?

I do not mind giving the President all the stages down to and including Report Stage.

I will have the information sent to the Deputy and circulated to the House at the first opportunity, but I should like to get all the stages to-day. There is nothing in it that I can see that would necessitate our holding it up and from the point of view of assisting the Departmental officials and so on, the sooner we get it the better. If the Deputy is satisfied that he wants it, I can let him have the information, but my own belief is that any considerations of that kind would be only an urge to pass the Bill rather than a deterrent against passing it.

Therefore, it is relevant.

Could we not have that information to urge us to pass the Bill?

I have got some information now. The information I have is that 90 aliens have been naturalised since 1935.

Where did they come from? What was the country of origin?

I suggest that the best way the Deputy has of getting this information is by putting down a Parliamentary Question. If he does that, and asks for whatever information he wants, we can get a complete reply and see that it covers all the points he wants covered. I ask Deputies to let me have the Bill.

Will the President circulate a statement in more detailed form giving the countries of origin?

The Deputy could get what he wants in a question, if we could answer it.

I would not get that information.

There might be some means of providing the information.

If the President will send it to me I will be satisfied.

I do not think it would cover what the Deputy wants.

Then the Deputy will ask the question.

Very good. Give me the Bill.

Question put and agreed to.
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