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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 2 Jun 1942

Vol. 87 No. 7

Committee on Finance. - Vote 48—Technical Instruction.

I move:—

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £236,085 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1943, chun íocaíocht fén Acht Oideachais Ghairme Beatha, 1930 (Uimh. 29 de 1930), agus chun crícheanna eile i dtaobh Ceárd-Oideachais agus Oideachais Leanúnaigh.

That a sum not exceeding £236,085 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1943, for payments under the Vocational Education Act, 1930 (No. 29 of 1930) and for other purposes connected with Technical Instruction and Continuation Education.

Mr. Brennan

Is the Minister satisfied with the results achieved in vocational schools all over the country? They have been in operation for some ten or 12 years and, so far as local criticism is concerned, they do not seem to have made much of an impression. I think it is time that there should be some kind of survey of the work being done by the vocational schools. We have turned out a very high percentage of typists, shorthand-typists, and so on, but I am afraid we have probably accentuated the flight from the land. There are not any reports to be relied upon. The exams, do not present very much information and I should like to know if the Minister is satisfied, from what has been presented to him, that vocational education is a success.

Ba mhaith liom a fhiafruighe den Aire an féidir leis aon eolas a thabhairt dúinn faoi obair na múinteoirí Gaedhilge a hoileadh ag an gCúrsa speisialta a bhí ar siubhal ag an Roinn anuiridh, sé sin an méid díobh a fuair postanna i ndiaidh an Chúrsa ó na Coistí Gairm-Oidis? Ba mhaith liom a fhághail amach, leis, an bhfuil beartuighthe ag an Roinn leanamhaint do na Cúrsaí Oileamhna san agus cuid mhaith eile de na múinteoirí Gaedhilge sin a chur ag obair ar fud na tíre?

Maidir leis na múinteoirí Gaedhilge gur dhein an Teachta O Briain tagairt dóibh, níl an scéim seo i bhfeidhm sáthach fada chun go bhféadfainn a rádh conus tá ag éirghe léi. Níl muid chun a thuilleadh des na múinteoirí seo a oileamhaint go fóill go dtí go bhfeicfimíd cén toradh a bheidh ar an obair go dtí so.

As regards Deputy Brennan's point, we have frequently heard it said that we are not giving a sufficient bias to agriculture in our schools. As I have often said, there is nothing to stop teachers in the primary schools from using examples and illustrations from the life about them. They are strongly recommended, in the Notes to Teachers and in the programme, to utilise as far as possible examples and illustrations from local life, work and needs and, therefore, I see no reason why, if the suggestions are carried out, there should not be a definite agricultural bias in the instruction, even in primary schools.

Of course, we have to have regard to the fact that we are trying to give the pupils the fundamentals of the three R's, and also a knowledge of the Irish language, great or small. Irish is an additional burden on the teachers, if you will, and, from our discussion in the House to-day, we know what a serious matter it is. Therefore, I do not think that Deputy Brennan, on reconsideration, will consider that even if there were a strong case educationally for putting agricultural instruction on the programme, it could be done in existing circumstances in the primary schools.

We are encouraging vocational schools in rural areas to give instruction in rural science. A fairly large number of young agricultural graduates are teaching in the rural vocational schools. The tendency undoubtedly is to follow courses leading to commercial work. There is a reason for that. A good many of these people find openings in commercial and distributive work. A great number of people are employed in these callings and it is almost impossible, under a non-compulsory scheme, to compel students to follow the type of courses that we would like them to follow. Their idea is to look for something that has a job at the end of it, a job in the Civil Service, if possible; if not, some commercial employment. We have that difficulty and allowance must be made for it.

In addition, as the Deputy knows, only one son can be kept at home on the farm. The others have to find employment elsewhere. I think there are too many preparing for commercial life, but if there are openings, it is very difficult to stop them following the course they like without a system of compulsory education and enforcement of compulsory courses upon them.

I would not be in a position to say what the general results of vocational education are just now. According to the reports I receive, the schools are progressing satisfactorily. The day courses are doing well, and the numbers attending them are increasing. The evening classes for adults or persons already in employment seem to be doing well, but I think there is a certain impatience with the work of vocational schools, because, as I have mentioned, people are too apt to look for a job at the end. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that there will be a job at the end, no matter what course is followed. I would suggest that members of committees—I presume the Deputy is one—should emphasise to parents on every possible occasion that the object of the vocational schools is to give a vocational training for the ordinary avocation of the district. If there is an industry in the district, then special regard should be had to it. If not, the bias should be towards agriculture and domestic science. Parents should be made to realise that there is no guarantee of employment, commercial or otherwise, at the end of the course; that, in fact, vocational education courses ought to be looked upon as training ground for home work afterwards in the case of girls, and for farm work or other local employment in the case of boys. There is no guarantee, unfortunately, that they will get that employment.

In view of the fact that the Minister is not at the moment in a position to answer for the results achieved, would it not be a wise thing if we had some kind of survey of the whole position? A restatement by the Minister of the aims and objects of vocational education is no good to us at the moment. It is our opinion that that is the aim, and that these are the objects. But are they being carried out? That is quite another matter. Are they being fulfilled and what results are we achieving? I think the Minister ought to have some kind of survey made, by the inspectors or by other people, to find out if there are worth-while results achieved. I think it is time that was done because we may be travelling in a wrong direction.

Vote put and agreed to.
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