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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 1 Mar 1944

Vol. 92 No. 15

Private Deputies' Business. - Labourers Bill, 1943—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. This is a short Bill of eight clauses of a rather technical character. The purpose of the Bill is to amend in certain particulars five sections of the Labourers Act, 1936 and one section of the Housing and Labourers Act, 1937. To explain briefly the full purport of the Bill, it is necessary to say that the Labourers Act of 1936, as amended by Part III of the Housing and Labourers Act 1937, was framed for the purpose of enabling the occupiers of labourers' cottages to become the owners of the cottages, subject to the conditions set out in that Act, and to enable the country board of health, now the county council, by means of a purchase scheme to vest these cottages in the purchasers, that is, in the cottiers occupying them. Out of a total of 62,592 cottages in the State, 2,963 were, in fact, vested in the occupiers up to the end of last September. These figures, I suggest, speak for themselves and clearly indicate that the provisions of the 1936 Act were not availed of by those whom it was intended ostensibly to benefit from the provisions of that Act.

Section 2 of the Act of 1936 contains the definition of a purchase scheme which, in the case of a labourer's cottage, is the instrument by which occupancy is transferred into ownership. The purchase scheme is required to contain provisions relating to the terms of sale and the payment of annuities in respect of every cottage vested in the occupier. So far as the section goes, no clue was given as to the intention of the Government or the county council with regard to the basis on which these annuities would be fixed.

In practice, however, the schemes approved by the Minister contained a provision fixing the annuities on the basis of 75 per cent. of the rent payable before purchase. That is to say, a purchase scheme will not be approved by the Minister, unless it provides that the annuity payable under it will amount to a sum equal to 75 per cent. of the former rent, even though, when he was paying rent, the tenant was entitled to have repairs carried out for him by the country council, whereas under the purchase scheme he is personally responsible for the carrying out of all repairs to his own cottage.

Clause 3 of the Bill now under discussion seeks to amend this provision by inserting in the Principal Act a definition of the expression "terminable annuity." In this clause, the definition given to the expression is that it means an annuity which does not exceed 50 per cent. of the rent at which the cottage was let to the original occupier. Briefly, the effect of the proposal is that a cottage purchaser will pay an annuity of not more than half his former rent, instead of paying three-quarters, as was the case hitherto. Of course, under the Act of 1936, he also takes on the new liability of keeping the cottage in repair at his own expense. That obligation is not affected by the provisions of the present Bill.

The next important provision in the Bill is contained in Clause 6, which relates to the payment period. Again, the purpose of this clause can be stated briefly.

It is this: the payment period shall be reckoned as a term of 50 years from the date on which the cottage was let to its first occupier. If, therefore, a cottage is 40 years old at the date on which it is vested in the occupier under the Act of 1936, the Bill proposes that the payment of annuities will continue for another 10 years, when the payments will cease completely.

The Bill also proposes to modify one of the statutory conditions prescribed in the Act of 1936 in relation to a vesting order. Section 17 of that Act provides, for instance, that the vesting order shall contain a provision to the effect that, on the death of the purchaser, the cottage may be used only for the use of a relative who was resident in the cottage at the time of his death. There is a provision in the present Bill to remove the limiting words "at the time of death," that is to say, the Bill proposes that the widow, or a child of the owner, selected by him, may succeed him as owner of the cottage, even though such person was not actually residing in the cottage at the time of the owner's death.

Did I understand the Deputy to say that the purpose of the amendment which is proposed in sub-section (2) of Section 6 is to allow the owner to select the person who is to inherit the cottage after his death? If that be so, it is not clear from the sub-section.

This is an amazing performance by the Minister. The Minister can read the sub-section.

I can. I am wondering how the Deputy read into it what he has just said.

I have said that the widow, or a child of the owner, selected by him—in other words, the owner's child—may succeed him as owner of the cottage even though such person was not actually residing in the cottage at the time of the owner's death.

There is nothing in the Bill about selection by the owner.

Does the Minister want a Committee Stage or a Second Reading Stage now?

I was merely trying to indicate to the Deputy that he should read his own Bill.

I suggest that the Minister should read up the wild, reckless promises made to the tenants in 1932 when he was seeking to be Minister— and a misfit of a Minister at that. Two, other small amendments are proposed in relation to the Act of 1936. Firstly, it is proposed that the time for the lodging of objections to the making of a particular purchase scheme by the county council be extended from three weeks, as provided in the Act of 1936, to six weeks, as provided in the Bill. Secondly, it proposes to extend from one week to six weeks the period of notice which is required to be given to the occupier of a cottage against whom proceedings are being taken by the county council for possession of the cottage, in a case of arrears of annuities.

Under the Act of 1936, it is sufficient for the council to give one week's notice of their intention to institute proceedings against the cottier who is in arrear with his payments but, in the event of any form of non-compliance with the statutory conditions, they are required to give him not less than six weeks' notice. The purpose of the proposal in the present Bill is to ensure that the practice in regard to the giving of notice will be uniform, regardless of the grounds on which it is given. That exhausts the provisions of the Bill so far as they relate to the Act of 1936. It contains one other provision which has reference to Part III of the Housing and Labourers Act, 1937, which, itself, was an Act to amend the Labourers Act of 1936.

Section II of the Act of 1937 makes provision for the funding of such arrears of rent as are due in respect of a cottage which is being vested in the occupier under the Principal Act at the vesting date. The provisions themselves are quite reasonable so far as the majority of the cottiers are concerned and no attempt is made in this Bill to disturb them. But the provision made in 1937 in respect of the payment of interest on the funded arrears is entirely unwarranted and the final proposal of the present Bill is to delete it from the statute. The relevant provision in the Act of 1937 is to the effect that the arrears which have been funded shall be paid with interest added, if the council so directs, at such rate, not exceeding 4? per cent. per annum, as the council may appoint. The Bill proposes to eliminate the specific reference to the 4¾ per cent. rate of interest so as to leave open the question of calculating the rate of interest. While, of course, the reference in the Act is to a "maximum" rate of interest, generally the 4¾ per cent. has become the target at which county managers and the Department aim. In certain cases, it may be proper to charge interest; in other cases it may be unreasonable to do so.

The Bill does not aim at settling that point; it seeks merely, so far as the clause in question is concerned, to get rid of the specific provision relating to the payment of interest in respect of funded arrears. Henceforth, if this Bill becomes law, the matter will be an open question for discussion on its merits as to whether or not interest may properly be charged.

If the purpose of the Bill were to be described in a phrase, it might be said of it that it is a measure designed to give effect to the primary intention of the Labourers Act of 1936—that is, of having 60,000 labourers' cottages vested in their occupiers under terms of purchase of which the occupiers can approve and which they will be able to fulfil without placing an insupportable burden on their backs. If it is passed into law, it will make the Act of 1936 a living reality instead of being a dead letter, as at present.

I formally second the motion.

On behalf of the members on this side of the House, may I say that we heartily support the principle of the Bill?

On behalf of the Government Party, I wish to say that we are opposing this Bill.

Is the Minister for Local Government mute of malice or by visitation of God?

I have heard no argument for the Bill.

We have a right to hear the Government's view from the Minister.

You have heard that the Government is opposing the Bill. I have heard no argument for the Bill.

There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

I should like to hear from the Minister how many of the cottiers accepted the provisions of the previous Act. Has it not been wholeheartedly turned down? I think that I would be right in saying that, out of 63,000 cottage tenants, only about 1,000 or 1,500 decided to accept purchase. After all, would it not be wise, and good policy on behalf of the Government, to put 63,000 cottage tenants in possession of their premises and holdings? What did His Holiness the Pope say in his broadcast on Christmas Eve 12 months ago? He said that the worker should be given some stake in the country, particularly the heads of large families.

If the Government accepts this amending Bill, I can assure the Minister, on behalf of the 63,000 cottage tenants for whom I speak, that 98 per cent. or 99 per cent. of them will agree to purchase their homes. They will, thereby, be securing that stake in the country to which they are justly entitled. The farmers have been given a 50 per cent. reduction in the amount of their annuities. They got that following the withholding of the moneys from Britain. The cottage tenants claim that they are equally entitled to a similar reduction. The Fianna Fáil Party made 12 promises——

Twelve million.

——before they got into power, and one of them was that they would introduce a purchase scheme that would be acceptable to the cottage tenants. I am always ready to give credit where credit is due, but that was one of the promises made on a particular poster that I saw. The Party, when it did get into power, passed through a cottage purchase scheme, but the terms of it were not acceptable, with the result that only 1,000 tenants out of a total of 60,000 purchased their cottages. Therefore, I say the Government Party did not fulfil their promises to those tenants by introducing an acceptable purchase scheme.

In my opinion, if the 50 per cent. reduction were given to the tenants it would prove a great benefit to the general body of the ratepayers because at the present time the cost of repairs, especially in the case of the older cottages, is a heavy burden on the county councils and boards of health. The proposals in this Bill, therefore, would mean a saving to the ratepayers as far as the pre-1922 cottages are concerned. The owners would then have the responsibility for the upkeep of the cottages. I am sure the Minister would agree that a 25 per cent. reduction would not go any way towards meeting the cost of repair of those old cottages. I know that in county Meath, where the execution of repairs was neglected for some period, repairs cost thousands of pounds. Cottages rented at 1/7d. and 1/9d. per week have cost as much as £50 each to repair.

I did not know that this Bill was coming on to-night and therefore I have not by me figures which I had proposed to give. If I had the figures I think I could satisfy the Minister that the ratepayers and the local authorities would gain by giving this 50 per cent. reduction to the cottage tenants. I, therefore, appeal to the Minister, to the Government Party and to every Party in the House to support this Bill. By doing so they will be conferring the rights of ownership on 63,000 cottage tenants, men who are the backbone of the nation. Those agricultural labourers and cottage holders are as important a section of the community as any other. I want to give the Government every credit for the measures of social justice which they have passed through the Oireachtas since coming into office. But none of those measures, in my opinion, ranks in importance with the one that we are considering to-night. Would it not be a grand thing for a cottage tenant to be able to feel in his old age that he was the owner of his cottage and had the right to nominate his successor?

Such a measure as this would be an encouragement to the tenants to make their homes and their surroundings beautiful. Their position to-day is that they are simply tenants at will. They have no security in their cottages and can be served with a notice to quit, without any, reason being stated. Surely that is not the right way to treat the cottage tenants of this nation. His Holiness the Pope has said that the worker should be given some stake in the country, and particularly when he is the head of a family. This Bill presents an opportunity of doing that in the case of 63,000 cottage tenants. At the present time, if a tenant is served with a notice to quit, he has no defence in law. The strange thing about that is that though we denounce British law and have denounced English Acts of Parliament, the summons in the case is issued under an Act passed in the British House of Commons. There is nothing about an Act passed by the Irish Parliament because I am certain that an Irish Parliament would not pass such a measure. The present position is that a man may be the occupier of one of these cottages for 40 years and then because perhaps he displeases somebody, he can be told to get out with no reason given. I can assure the Minister that if the Government accept this measure the cottage tenants will respond by accepting the proposals it contains of becoming the owners of their cottages. I move the adjournment of the debate.

Debate adjourned.
The Dáil adjourned at 9 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd March, 1944.
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