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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 28 Jun 1944

Vol. 94 No. 8

Estimates, 1944-45. - Vote 13—Civil Service Commission.

Tairgim:—

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £12,673 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfaidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1945, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí Choimisiún na Stát-Sheirbhíse (Uimh. 5 de 1942, agus Uimh. 41 de 1926) agus an Choimisiúin um Cheapacháin Aitiúla (Uimh. 39 de 1926, agus Uimh. 15 de 1940).

That a sum not exceeding £12,673 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defraw the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1945, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Civil Service Commission (No. 5 of 1924, and No. 41 of 1926), and of the Local Appointments Commission (No. 39 of 1926 and No. 15 of 1940).

The Civil Service Commissioners conduct open examinations, and in due course it is possible to purchase, through the Government Publications Office, a copy of the papers set and a copy of the results. These papers and results are purchased, not only by candidates who have competed in the examinations, but often by potential candidates as well, so that they may look at the syllabus and papers set, and generally study the marking for the examinations. A number of limited examinations is held by the Civil Service Commissioners. These examinations being limited, the papers and results are not published. The reason may be that there is not sufficient public interest to justify publication, and one can readily understand that point of view, but there is one aspect of the holding of these examinations to which I should like to draw the Minister's attention.

Every candidate who competes in an examination not only likes to get his own marks in the different subjects, so that he can attend to those subjects which are a source of weakness, but to know how he stands in relation to the rest of the competitors, and to see what the standard of marking in a particular subject is. Let us assume that in a particular examination there is a maximum mark of 300 for Irish, and a candidate in the examination who gets his marks discovers that he has got 150 marks in Irish. That gives him the information that he has got half marks in Irish. A 50 per cent. mark may be good if the highest mark in Irish is 60 per cent., but he does not know whether the highest mark is 51 per cent. or 99 per cent., because he does not know the results of the examination generally.

Is there any real difficulty in giving a candidate who sits for a limited examination a copy of the results, so as to enable him not merely to know his own marks, but to ascertain the general standard of marking? Merely to give a candidate his own results gives him no indication at all as to how he did in the examination in relation to other candidates. He knows his own marks, but he does not know the highest mark in a particular subject, and does not know what standard he has reached. Unless he can get the marks of the highest candidate and the other competitors, he cannot know generally how he has done. It cannot be a very difficult job to produce the marks of 100 competitors in an examination.

Can the Deputy say whether there has ever been a demand for it?

I can say that it was available until recently. Maybe that was through error and, as a matter of fact, it is the recent correction of the error which induces me to raise the matter now. I suggest that the matter should be put on a satisfactory basis and that every candidate in a limited examination ought to get not only his own results but the results of the whole examination. My main concern is in seeing that a candidate may know not only his own marks but the standard of marking in the examination and be able to look after whatever weaknesses are revealed in a particular subject. I do not think there is any insuperable difficulty in the matter, and I feel that studious people who want to compete in examinations in order to improve themselves are entitled to any encouragement the State can give them.

I have practically nothing to do with the ordinary administration of the Civil Service Commission. I am not familiar with the procedure there and I do not know whether there has been a demand for the papers or the results, but I shall inquire. There may be some difficulty in the matter, but I do not know. I am entirely at sea in relation to it, but I shall inquire into it and let the Deputy know.

Would the Minister bear in mind, when making his inquiry, that if a candidate competes in an open examination, he can get a copy of the marks, and there cannot be any real reason for denying them to him if he competes in a limited examination.

I do not know of any, but I should like to look into the matter.

Vote put and agreed to.
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