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Dáil Éireann debate -
Friday, 1 Jul 1949

Vol. 116 No. 11

Committee on Finance. - Vote 68—Health.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £970,420 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1950, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of the Minister for Health, and Certain Services Administered by that Office, including Grants to Local Authorities, Miscellaneous Grants and a Grant-in-Aid, and Certain Charges Connected with Hospitals.

Before reviewing the progress of the Department in the past year and explaining the details of the Estimate, I would like to comment on some matters of significance which come under the heading of vital statistics. I might mention, however, that the figures for the year 1948 are provisional and may be subject to some modifications.

The number of births registered in 1948, 65,584, was nearly 3,400 less than in the preceding year although it was about 4,000 above the average for the previous decade (1938-1947). The birth rate per 1,000 of the estimated population last year was 21.9. The corresponding figures for England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were 17.9, 19.4 and 21.9 respectively.

The number of marriages registered during 1948 was 16,331—an increase of 41 over the previous year. The 1948 figure was nearly 1,300 lower than the figure for 1946 which, however, was the highest recorded since 1878. The 1948 marriage rate per 1,000 of the estimated population was 5.4 compared with 9.0, 8.5 and 7.0 in England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland respectively.

The number of deaths registered in 1948 was 36,502, or nearly 7,500 less than in 1947. The death rate per 1,000 of the estimated population was 12.2, the lowest rate ever recorded for this country. There is still considerable scope for improvement, however, as the figure for several European countries varies from 7.2 to 9.9.

The need for vigorous anti-tuberculosis and cancer campaigns is emphasised by the fact that, while the all-over picture is definitely brighter, these diseases have once again reaped a heavy harvest. Provisional figures show that the number of deaths from cancer was 3,885 as compared with nearly 4,000 in 1947. The total number of deaths from all forms of tuberculosis is estimated at 3,017, a decrease of 683 on the previous year and the lowest ever recorded. I will deal with the tuberculosis problem in greater detail.

During the year, the number of deaths of children under one year was 3,212 representing an infant mortality rate per 1,000 births of 49, compared with 68 in 1947 and 65 in 1946. The 1948 rate is the lowest ever recorded in this country, but there is still room for considerable improvement. The 1948 rates in England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were 34, 45 and 46 respectively.

I would like to draw the special attention of the House to the tremendous improvement which has taken place in the death rate in infants under two years of age from diarrhoea and enteritis. Throughout the country as a whole, the number of deaths from this disease was 1,233 in 1943. This figure had fallen to 1,092 in 1945. Since then, progress has been spectacular and is reflected in the figure of 340 for 1948. In Dublin County Borough alone, the figure has been reduced from 573 in 1943 to 80 last year. It is difficult to ascribe this welcome reduction to any particular cause, but it may be significant that measures to combat the disease have been intensified by the local authorities concerned. Instead of drawing any conclusions in the matter, I shall confine myself to expressing the hope that the welcome trend regarding the mortality from this disease will continue. The number of deaths from whooping cough in 1947 was 298 and the number of deaths last year was 196. The number of deaths from measles in 1947 was 106 and last year 61. The total number of diphtheria deaths in 1947 was 56 and last year 31, so it will be seen that measles and whooping cough each claimed many more victims during the last two years than diphtheria. The adoption of protective measures against them is showing promising results. Local authorities have power to provide such protective measures free of charge.

During the year 1948, the number of cases of typhoid, diphtheria, and scarlet fever notified was 4,891. While this showed an increase of over 2,000 on the previous year, the number of deaths was 30 less than the previous year. Of the 1948 total of deaths, 31 were due to diphtheria, 14 to typhoid and the remaining four to scarlet fever. For the fourth successive year, no case of typhus occurred.

The number of cases of diphtheria notified in 1944 was over 5,000. The number last year had fallen to 521. It is reasonable to assume that extensive immunisation against the disease has contributed largely to the decline.

While, therefore, our health statistics for 1948 do not warrant complacency, the figures for the year show that we are gradually improving our position. I would like to emphasise briefly the highlights, in case these points may have been submerged in the statistics I have quoted, viz.:

(a) the infant mortality rate and the general death-rate were the lowest ever recorded;

(b) the total number of deaths from all forms of tuberculosis shows a decrease of 683 on the previous year, and deaths from cancer also showed a decline;

(c) the number of deaths in infants under two years of age from diarrhoea and gastro-enteritis has dropped from 1,233 in 1943 to 340 last year; and

(d) there was a marked decrease in the mortality from the principal infectious diseases.

An important aspect of health services development is the provision of hospital beds. While we have a good nucleus on which to build, the fact that we are far from having adequate accommodation available may be gauged from the fact that when I took up office there were 135 proposals before the Department for the provision of new hospitals and for the adaptation, reconstruction, and repair of existing hospitals. I felt that it would not be conducive to real progress to try to deal in one piece with all these proposals and as I indicated when introducing the Estimates last year, I decided that it would be best to concentrate on a short-term hospital building programme to be completed in seven years. The size of the programme was determined by reference to the availability of materials, of skilled labour and of professional consultants. Local authorities and the authorities of voluntary hospitals concerned have been notified as to the decision reached in relation to each project which had been submitted. In the case of projects included in the seven-year programme those responsible have been encouraged to press forward speedily with the planning and construction work. In an effort to expedite building the promoters of certain voluntary hospital projects and the smaller local authority proposals have been given a free hand to get on with the job without referring detailed plans and documents to the Department for approval once agreement had been reached on the work to be done and on the amount of the grant to be made available from the Hospitals' Trust Fund in cases where such a grant was to be provided.

The first and most urgent problem was the provision of additional accommodation for tuberculous cases and notable progress in this direction has been made in the past twelve months. As regards building work on general hospitals, maternity hospitals, fever and mental hospitals, clinics and dispensaries, an immense amount of planning has had to be undertaken. Much of this is now well advanced and will be reflected very shortly in the increased rate of construction of these institutions. At the beginning of 1949, hospital building work was proceeding at an annual rate of between £500,000 and £600,000. Since an average annual rate of almost £2,500,000 would be necessary to complete the seven-year programme, it was clearly a matter of great urgency to get on quickly with works which were nearer the point of starting. For that reason works likely to start in 1949 have been given the highest priority within the programme.

The projected building programme for 1949 envisages the stepping up of the monthly rate of hospital building from £45,000 in January to £220,000 in December, or a rate of about five times greater. This rate, if it can be attained, will represent a very considerable achievement. It will mean that by the end of the year a commencement will have been made with £6,250,000 worth of hospital building work, i.e. about one-third of the seven-year programme. So far as we can foresee, there is every indication that this can be done and the replies received from the promoters concerned confirm our anticipations. A difficulty which is envisaged, and which may impede progress is the likelihood that there may be a lack of competition in tendering for the more important hospital works involved. In terms of total volume of output, hospital building work would not represent more than about 15 per cent. of the annual output of the building industry, but when it comes to major projects, hospital works represent a very high proportion of the total number of such works being undertaken in the country.

In the seven-year programme there are 40 jobs which are estimated to cost £100,000 or more, and 20 of these would each cost approximately £250,000 or more, including a number of works which are estimated to cost about £1,000,000 each. The field of competition for major works is limited and in order to ensure that contracts are placed at keen prices it is necessary that as far as possible we should stagger the starting times of such works. In addition to the difficulty of the limited number of building organisations capable of tackling major works, there may be difficulties common to all major building undertakings such as shortage of skilled labour.

Important hospital works, the building of which it is hoped to see started this year, include Ardkeen Sanatorium, Waterford; the new Fever Hospital at Dublin; the Limerick Regional Hospital; Galway Regional Sanatorium and Galway Regional Hospital; the proposed major extension at Portiuncula Hospital, Ballinasloe; the new County Hospital at Manorhamilton; the Children's Hospital at Crumlin and the new hospital at Gurranebraher, Cork. Site works in connection with some of these works have been completed. Others are in progress and it is hoped to commence the site works of the two remaining regional sanatoria at Dublin and Cork by the end of the year.

If the works which it is hoped to commence in 1949 can be got under way, there is not likely to be any holdup which would delay the completion of the seven-year programme as far as planning is concerned.

It has been represented that the short-term building programme is a reduced one. I would like to emphasise that it compares favourably with what has been done on hospitals construction in the period from the initiation of the sweepstakes up to the outbreak of the last war. Approximately 6,800 extra beds will be provided on the completion of this short-term programme and the magnitude of this increase and the important change it will bring about in the hospitalisation position can be appreciated from the fact that the total number of general hospital beds in the voluntary hospitals, county hospitals and district hospitals in the country at the present time is not much in excess of this figure.

Apart from hospital works, the programme envisages the building of new dispensaries and improvement of dispensaries that are capable of improvement, as well as the provision of clinics in each county at which specialist facilities can be provided. Most of the local authorities concerned are already proceeding with the planning of the "county" clinics and it is hoped that most of them will be available within the time allotted to them in the programme.

The amount of money in the Hospitals' Trust Fund, towards which hospital authorities generally will be looking for reimbursement of portion of their expenditure on hospital building, is not as large as we would like it to be. It is hoped, however, that the receipts from sweepstakes in future years will be adequate to enable the fund to meet the amount of grants allocated towards building costs, as well as the deficits on the running expenses of the voluntary hospitals and some encouragement for this hope is given by the return from recent sweeps.

While on the subject of Hospitals' Trust Fund, I must refer to the question of the deficits on the running of the 55 voluntary hospitals participating in the sweeps for this purpose. I mentioned last year that these deficits had been increasing year by year and that the increase gave cause for concern. Nothing which has happened in the past year has helped to allay that concern. The total amount payable on foot of deficits in respect of the year 1939 was £157,000. In 1946 it had risen to almost £238,000. For 1947 it had further increased to £334,000 and I understand that it is anticipated that the figure for 1948 will be as high as £420,000. These increases have occurred despite the substantial increases in maintenance charges levied by the hospitals in respect of patients sent in by local authorities and despite an annual contribution of over £100,000 to the Dublin voluntary hospitals from the Dublin rates. It is obvious that with so large a capital programme depending on Hospitals' Trust Fund moneys some ceiling must be put on the amount of recoupment in respect of deficits and I have been in touch with the Hospitals' Commission about the matter. I hope to be in a position to make recommendations to the voluntary hospitals concerned in the near future.

Deputies are aware that I have devoted a considerable amount of my time since taking up office to the anti-tuberculosis campaign. This disease has been one of our major public health problems for some time and has taken heavy toll of our youth in particular. The death rate from all forms of tuberculosis per 1,000 of the estimated population was 1.25 in 1940, 1.47 in 1942, 1.14 in 1946, 1.24 in 1947 and 1.00 in 1948. The actual number of deaths was 3,017 last year. While the number of deaths last year was the lowest recorded in recent years, we are very far from the stage when we can say that the problem has been reduced from major to minor proportions.

The death rate per 1,000 of the population in Denmark in 1947 was 0.30, in Sweden 0.51, in England and Wales 0.56, in Scotland 0.79, and in Northern Ireland 0.72. It will be seen that we have a considerable leeway to make up, even though, as I have mentioned, our 1948 rate is estimated at 1.0.

Tuberculosis is not a problem which can be solved merely by the provision of beds and staff. Good housing conditions, adequate nutrition, appreciation of health hygiene and a more rational public attitude towards the disease are essential elements in the anti-tuberculosis campaign. Such measures as utilisation of mass radiography for early diagnosis, B.C.G. vaccination, follow-up of contacts and a greater readiness on the part of sufferers to seek early treatment, will all play an important part, but the first essential is to provide institutional accommodation without a waiting period for persons who are found to need such accommodation. The dangers of the spread of the disease by way of openly infective cases are too well known to need comment here.

I feel that we have achieved quite a lot in the matter of bed accommodation. From February, 1948, to the end of last month 984 additional beds for tuberculous cases had been provided in local authority institutions and 226 in voluntary institutions, i.e., a total of over 1,200 extra beds. The provision of additional accommodation is being pressed continuously and further substantial progress will be made before the end of the current calendar year. The maintenance allowances for tuberculosis patients and increased diagnostic facilities have, of course, had the desired effect of increasing substantially the numbers coming forward for treatment.

Projects in hands, including the provision of temporary accommodation at St. Mary's Hospital, Phoenix Park, Dublin, should reduce the waiting list to manageable proportions before the end of the calendar year—in most areas, including Dublin, long before that date. The latest of these projects is the acquisition and conversion of the former airport hostel at Foynes; a very fine, newly-built structure, to accommodate cases of primary tuberculosis in children and as a preventorium. About 100 beds will be available.

I do not intend to burden the House with a list of all the projects which have resulted, to date, since February of last year, in the provision of 1,200 beds and will result before the end of this year in the provision of a further 800 odd beds. The projects are over 20 in number and Deputies will already be aware of those which relate to their own areas. Some consist of permanent adaptation of existing buildings, e.g., St. Mary's Hospital, Phoenix Park, Dublin, already mentioned. Others are temporary adaptations, the largest of which are the conversion of the District Mental Hospital at Castlerea and the District Hospital at Mallow. They include also the diversion of certain fever hospitals to tuberculosis purposes. In all this, I want to express my appreciation of the co-operation of members of all political Parties and of the members and staffs of the local authorities concerned. In all but a very few cases, that co-operation has been whole-hearted and unstinted.

The longer-term solution of the problem lies in the provision of the three regional sanatoria at Dublin, Cork and Galway, of a sub-regional institution at Waterford and of a children's sanatorium at Ballyowen, County Dublin.

As I have mentioned, site works at the Galway institution are nearing completion and building will commence later this year. Site works at the other two regional institutions will also commence this year. Tenders have been invited for the site and building works at Waterford and the planning of the children's institution is proceeding.

In regard to the last-mentioned institution, it was decided, in order to press forward as quickly as possible with the building programme, to form a company limited by guarantee to erect the 250-bed sanatorium at Ballyowen for children suffering from pulmonary tuberculosis. The sanatorium will be provided on a site which had been previously acquired by the Dublin Corporation. The company will be financed from the Hospitals' Trust Fund to the extent of some £250,000. The eight members of the company— who also comprise the directorate— will not be remunerated for their services. The company has been incorporated and has carried out a considerable amount of preliminary work to date.

The total number of beds to be provided under this longer-term programme will be about 2,000 which, with the beds already provided since February last and the remaining beds which will be available before the end of the calendar year, will bring the total to about 4,000. When allowance is made for the beds lost in institutions which will revert to their former use, e.g., Castlerea and Mallow and certain fever institutions, and in institutions which by that time will have become sub-standard, e.g., Pigeon House, Crooksling, Dublin, the net number of additional beds will be of the order of 3,000 which, on present indications, should be adequate.

Perhaps, I should say a few words at this stage about our proposals for dealing with orthopaedic cases. Discussions have already taken place with local authorities in connection with the need for appointing orthopaedic surgeons and it is hoped that an adequate staff will be available soon. Improved provision will also be required for the hospitalisation of orthopaedic cases, both tuberculous and non-tuberculous. It is contemplated that Woodlands Sanatorium, Galway, will be reserved for orthopaedic cases in the western area as soon as Galway Regional Sanatorium has been provided. Additional units will be added to Woodlands Sanatorium, if necessary. Orthopaedic cases in the southern region will be catered for at the projected regional hospital and regional sanatorium. The possibility of securing 60 beds in the Cork County Home and Hospital for orthopaedic cases is also being examined. South Leinster will be served by the unit to be provided at Kilcreene House, Kilkenny, which has been acquired by the local county council and it is proposed that the accommodation should initially consist of 80 beds, with provision for expansion. The Orthopaedic Hospital, Coole, should cater adequately for the needs of North Leinster where tentative plans for an extension have been implemented. It is intended that the Dublin area consisting of Dublin City and County, Meath, Louth, Kildare and Wicklow should be served by the institutions at Cappagh, Clontarf, Baldoyle and Arklow.

I would like to deal now with some other aspects of our anti-tuberculosis campaign. Early diagnosis is most important and I have requested health authorities to take steps to improve and equip any health clinics which were not up to standard.

A mass radiography unit has been operating in Dublin since 1946. Approximately 8,000 persons were mass radiographed by this unit in 1948 and of these, 175 were found to have pulmonary tuberculosis and in 165 cases it was deemed desirable to keep the persons concerned under observation. With the provision of full X-ray facilities at the Dublin Corporation's reconstructed and extended tuberculosis clinic at Charles Street, to be opened next week, it should be possible to make more extensive use of the mass radiography unit in future. A mobile X-ray unit has commenced operations in Cork City and County and the experience gained in this area will be useful in the extension of mobile X-ray facilities throughout the country, a matter which has already been taken up with local authorities generally.

During the latter part of 1948 a new scheme of chest surgery for tuberculosis patients in local authority institutions was initiated. Operating theatres containing the most up-to-date equipment and facilities have been provided in the new sanatoria at Castlerea and Mallow and a thoracic surgeon was appointed to carry out operative procedures at each of the institutions referred to and at St. Kevin's Hospital, Dublin. This is a most important development of our tuberculosis schemes, providing as it does, a first-class service, free of charge, for patients requiring chest surgery. When additional fully - equipped operating theatres are available in the very near future in Rialto Hospital, Dublin, in St. Mary's Chest Hospital, Dublin, and in the proposed enlarged tuberculosis unit of the Limerick City Home and Hospital, the existing scheme of chest surgery will be expanded and two additional thoracic surgeons will be appointed. A suitable division of work between the three surgeons will then be made.

It is essential that tuberculosis medical officers should keep abreast of current developments elsewhere and it is part of our policy that they should visit other countries and study techniques and problems there. Arrangements have already been made for a number of medical officers engaged in the local authority service to undertake an eight weeks' course in Wales, covering field and institutional work. Five medical officers have already undergone the course. Four medical officers have completed a course in Canada and one has finished a course at Cheshire Joint Sanatorium. Further courses are visualised.

A scheme of training of probationer nurses for the new grade of sanatorium nurse was initiated during 1948 with the co-operation of the General Nursing Council. The rules of the nursing council under which sanatorium nurses would be trained were approved and steps are being taken to provide training facilities at various sanatoria. Probationers are already being trained at the sanatorium at Castlerea and at Peamount and Newcastle. It is a matter of regret that delay in the provision of accommodation has delayed the recruitment and training of probationers in the Dublin and Cork local authority services.

It is a generally accepted scientific fact that persons who have successfully passed through the primary stage of tuberculosis are much less vulnerable to the ravages of the secondary and later forms of the disease than persons who have not passed through that stage. The effect of having passed through the primary stage successfully can be produced by B.C.G. vaccination, a procedure not more painful and little more elaborate than ordinary vaccination against smallpox or inoculation against diphtheria.

Schemes of B.C.G. vaccination have been initiated by the Dublin Corporation and the authorities of St. Ultan's Children's Hospital. A committee representative of St. Ultan's, the Corporation and Department of Health has been set up to supervise the extension of the scheme operated at that hospital. The hospital authorities will, in the first instance, offer vaccination to susceptible groups of the population, including students (particularly medical students), hospital nursing staffs and children who are in contact with open infective cases of tuberculosis. They will make B.C.G. vaccination available to health authorities and will train the medical officers of those authorities in B.C.G. vaccination. This vaccine is offered to negative reactors to tuberculin tests and we hope it will be a factor of considerable importance in reducing the incidence of tuberculosis in adolescents.

Under the Infectious Diseases (Maintenance) Regulations, 1948, a scheme of monetary allowances was brought into operation on the 1st March, 1948. The scheme applies to sufferers from specified infectious diseases who, by reason of illness or of taking precautions in certain circumstances, are unable to maintain themselves or their dependents. The regulations have proved to be of considerable benefit to eligible persons—particularly in the case of sufferers from tuberculosis, where the period of treatment is sometimes prolonged. The regulations were amended in September last so as to extend eligibility for a domestic help allowance to a married woman receiving institutional treatment, whose husband is unable to make proper provision for the care of their family. The regulations have now been further amended so as to permit of the payment of the domestic help allowance in the case of certain patients whether they are undergoing domiciliary or institutional treatment and whether or not a relative is employed as the domestic help.

All local authorities maintaining institutions, i.e. district, tuberculosis and mental institutions, have been asked to adopt special measures to protect the staffs against contracting tuberculosis.

The consultative council on tuberculosis is considering the question of rehabilitation of patients. This problem presents many difficulties and a practical solution will not be easy to find. Due to the generous action of Senator R. M. Burke, in placing Toghermore House, Tuam, at the disposal of a local voluntary committee a splendid opportunity has been given of gaining practical experience of the operation of an experimental rehabilitation scheme. Patients discharged after sanatorium treatment are already engaged, under medical supervision, on suitable rehabilitation treatment at Toghermore House,

There is a wide field in tuberculosis institutions for the employment of expatients in suitable posts and with suitable safeguards. I have recommended that course to health authorities and I hope that they will respond generously. I have also been in touch with trade unions about the matter and I hope that they, also, will co-operate.

So much for tuberculosis, the most prevalent and most costly of our infectious diseases. I would like to say a few words now about some of the other infectious diseases.

In January last each health authority was requested to furnish a report from the chief medical officer on the practical operation of the infectious diseases regulations in their area with particular reference to the provisions relating to vaccination, immunisation and the notification of cases of tuberculosis and venereal diseases.

It was rather disturbing to find that in some counties no schemes of vaccination against smallpox were in operation, while in others schemes were operating only to a limited extent.

I am glad to say that the number of full immunisations against diphtheria carried out in 1948 appears to indicate that the decline which had become noticeable in recent years has been arrested. The number of children fully immunised during 1948 under schemes administered by health authorities was nearly 80,000 compared with 49,000 in 1947 and 42,000 in 1946. In the odd case where the disease is contracted by a person who has been recently immunised, the course of the disease is generally light and the death rate among children who have been fully immunised is almost negligible. Of the 31 diphtheria deaths in 1948, only one death occurred among children who had been immunised.

Health authorities were advised during the year to have all infantile paralysis patients examined by an orthopædic surgeon before discharge from fever hospitals and to make arrangements for any follow-up examinations considered necessary and for the provision of local facilities for physio-therapeutic treatment in suitable cases. Considerable progress has been made by health authorities in the organisation of this necessary service and a number of health authorities have already made suitable arrangements for the after-care of patients.

Health authorities were also urged to press forward with measures for the control of enteric fever, to sustain their efforts in the extended use of D.D.T. preparation in the fight against vermin-carrying diseases and to improve the facilities provided in urban areas (other than the county boroughs) for the treatment of scabies. (The facilities provided in the county boroughs are regarded as adequate.)

A revised scheme for dealing with venereal disease is under consideration at present and will be communicated to health authorities as soon as some difficulties have been cleared up.

In concluding the review of the fight against infectious diseases, I want to emphasise that all services provided by health authorities in connection with these diseases are free of all charge to the recipient. They are of a high order already and are improving rapidly and failure to avail of them in appropriate cases is a disservice to the entire community.

When introducing last year's Estimate I gave a resumé of the provisions of the Health Act, 1947. That Act and the regulations and Orders made under it are intended to codify and bring up to date the law dealing with public health. Further regulations were made during the year now under review and initial steps were taken in the preparation of others.

A draft set of regulations dealing with food hygiene has been prepared and sent to interested outside bodies for their views. This draft has received a certain amount of publicity and Deputies will probably be aware of the general purport of the regulations. The intention is that the sale or importation of unfit food will be prohibited and that all premises where food is normally manufactured, prepared or sold for human consumption should comply with certain structural and hygienic standards. There are also provisions in the draft regulations dealing with the registration of food premises and special articles are included to ensure the safety and cleanliness of ice-cream and shellfish— foods which are particularly liable to suspicion as vectors of infectious diseases.

This draft has been welcomed by the traders and other organisations interested in the food business who have been consulted. Many of the bodies to whom the regulations have been sent have suggested amendments in the details of the scheme. All these suggestions will be fully and sympathetically considered and will, where feasible, be accepted. It is intended that the officers of local authorities, whose duty it will be to enforce the regulations, will furnish advice and guidance to food traders regarding compliance. Progress and improvement in food handling conditions can, it is felt, be best achieved by such advice and guidance but, of course, local authorities will also have adequate power to enforce the regulations by prosecutions. Apart from the advice and guidance which will be given by health officers, it is very desirable that food workers should, in their apprenticeship, be trained in the fundamentals of food hygiene. A step in this direction has been taken in Dublin, where the City Vocational Education Committee have, with the co-operation of trade organisations, established a course for persons in the grocery trade.

When the food hygiene code has been brought into operation it is proposed to consider, in consultation with the trade and other interests concerned, further regulations to deal with the separate, but related, problem of standardisation of certain foods, that is, the prescription of the nature, quality and proportion of the ingredients which may be included in these foods so as to ensure that proper nutritional values are maintained.

The retention in the medical assisttance service of some of the features of the old poor law system is a serious defect in our health services. One such feature is the "red ticket" system. Accordingly, it is proposed to amend the existing regulations regarding the provision of medical assistance so as to provide that persons who are eligible for such assistance under the Public Assistance Act, 1939, will, upon application to the appropriate public assistance authority, be furnished with a medical card which will entitle them to medical assistance either in the dispensary or in the home of the person, as the case may require without the ad hoc ticket required at present.

While on the subject of the medical assistance service I would like to say a few words about county homes. Many of these institutions fall far short of minimum standards of comfort. For many reasons connected with the development of the county home system and the lack of suitable alternative accommodation we find old persons, unmarried mothers, children, mental defectives and destitute persons sharing the same institution. This situation must be brought to an end. In order to expedite this matter the Government has decided that an inter-departmental committee should be established to advise on the problem. When this committee will have completed its work I hope to be in a position to formulate concrete proposals but as an interim measure, I recommended to public assistance authorities that existing conditions in the homes under their charge should be surveyed and that they should draw up proposals for effecting improvements in sanitary accommodation, bathing facilities, cooking and dining arrangements, segregated accommodation for children and mental defectives, dietary scales to ensure properly balanced and varied diets, general cleaning up and painting.

One of the first matters which engaged my attention last year was the unsatisfactory condition of many of our public assistance dispensaries. The lack of proper accommodation was not only a cause of bringing the medical assistance service into disrepute, but, more important still, it rendered the provision of proper medical assistance in dispensaries very difficult. The standard of accommodation and necessary amenities for patients is, in general, very low. Public assistance authorities were urged to take early steps to ensure that their dispensaries should be brought up to a reasonable standard and that where such was not possible, new dispensaries should be provided. They have since surveyed the dispensaries in their areas and are taking steps to improve them. The solution of the problem is not easy. A large number of dispensaries are not capable of reconstruction and it will be probably necessary to replace them. This must, of necessity, be a gradual process, but everything possible will be done to ensure that no undue delay will occur.

Since the field of medicine is wide, it would be folly not to avail to the full of the accumulated knowledge of experts in different spheres of medicine which has been so generously placed at the disposal of my Department through their membership of the various consultative councils and committees which have been established. In addition to professional interests, we have had the benefit of the services of representatives of administrative bodies concerned in health matters.

The Consultative Child Health Council was established in May, 1948, and, at my request, directed its energies in the beginning towards the production of a short-term plan for reducing infant mortality. As the problem in Dublin County Borough was easily the most serious in the country they considered this area demanded prior attention. The council have submitted their report on this matter and the necessary examination and discussions have been proceeding since. The problems involved are considerable as will be appreciated when it is borne in mind that the service will have to cover about one-third of the community. Integration of the projected service with the existing medical assistance service is another of the difficulties.

One of the most important elements in the projected service is the making of arrangements for care of sick infants in the neo-natal stage. The council put forward certain recommendations in this matter and it was decided that it would be best to have it fully discussed between representatives of the three maternity hospitals, the Dublin Corporation and my Department. It was gratifying to find that not only had we unanimity on the need for co-ordinated vigorous action but a large measure of agreement also on the manner in which the problem might be solved. The authorities of the hospitals are considering the problem now in greater detail with a view to the evolution of a practical working plan. Considerable progress has already been made.

The council have not been idle since the furnishing of the Dublin County Borough Report. They have submitted recommendations as to how a service might be organised for Cork County Borough and a report covering areas other than the county boroughs. These reports are now being considered in my Department.

As I have already mentioned when dealing with vital statistics, cancer is one of our most serious problems and, consequently, the work of the Consultative Cancer Council is of prime importance. I expect that the council's report conveying their long-term recommendations will be available shortly. The problems involved in a cancer campaign are many. Early diagnosis and treatment are essential and efforts at public and professional education must be intensified. The availability of beds, highly-trained staff and equipment will be important elements in the fight against this disease. The manner in which a national cancer service might best be organised will also need careful consideration.

I will lose no time in having the council's report examined and I am sure that it will be of considerable assistance to us in formulating our plans to reduce the death rate from this disease.

This brings me to the position of St. Kevin's Hospital, Dublin. Following consideration of the report of the committee which was set up to examine the existing facilities in the hospital, certain decisions, which I feel will have an important influence on the standard of local authority medical services, have been taken.

The public will have noticed advertisements which appeared recently in the Press inviting applications for the positions of director of medicine, director of surgery and director of pathology at St. Kevin's Hospital. These appointments represent the first major step in the carrying out of the policy of which I have approved, for the improvement of the standard of service to be provided at St. Kevin's Hospital and in the local authority service.

In order to improve the standard of medicine in the local authority service generally, it is proposed to establish in St. Kevin's a post-graduate school of medicine. The school, which will be established if the necessary legislation is enacted, will provide post-graduate courses in medicine, surgery and pathology for members of the local authority medical service. Each of the three branches of the hospital and of the school will be under the supervision of a director, who will be a man of the highest professional qualifications and who will be paid a salary commensurate with his qualifications. In order to attract the very best possible material, the salaries and emoluments of the posts have been fixed on a scale considerably in excess of those ordinarily applicable in the local authority service.

In addition to their responsibility for the organisation of the post-graduate school, the directors of medicine and surgery will be responsible for the treatment of patients in St. Kevin's and shall, when necessary, provide such treatment. It follows from this that the standard of treatment for patients in St. Kevin's Hospital will be at the highest specialist level and that the best, and only the best, treatment will be provided at that hospital. In order to assist the directors in their work, it is envisaged that each will ultimately have the help of an assistant director. All this flows from the adoption of a policy for the provision throughout the country of the best possible medical, surgical and pathological facilities for those sections of the community who are unable to provide them from their own resources.

The gastro-enteritis advisory committee is compiling its final report, which, I expect, will be submitted in the near future.

Last year I mentioned that the new procedure provided for under the Mental Treatment Act aimed at encouraging patients to seek treatment in the early stages of mental illness. Statistics for 1948 encourage us to hope that this fundamental aim of the Act will be realised. The number of voluntary patients admitted to mental hospitals in 1948 was 501 compared with 376 in 1947. The number of temporary patients admitted increased from 773 in 1947 to 995 last year, while the number of persons of unsound mind admitted totalled 2,752 in 1948 as compared with 1,929 in 1947. The total number of admissions in 1948 was 4,248 compared with 3,078 in 1947—an increase of 1,170, but the total number of discharges in 1948 was 2,875—an increase of 1,009 over 1947. This total comprised 430 voluntary patients, 657 temporary patients and 1,788 persons who had been committed as of unsound mind.

Clinics for affording advice and preventive and curative treatment in cases of mental disorder, including cases of suspected or incipient mental disorder, have been established by the majority of mental hospital authorities in view of the importance of the provision of facilities for early treatment of mild cases.

During the year, a branch of St. Augustine's Colony, Blackrock, County Dublin, was opened at Drumcar House, Stamullen, County Louth, for male mental defectives and Moore Abbey, Monasterevan, became available for female epileptics. Schemes for providing additional accommodation for about 800 mental defectives have been approved and planning is proceeding. I have also been giving attention to the broader aspects of the protection and care of mentally deficient persons and legislation to deal with the position is under consideration.

I feel that too much stress cannot be laid on the importance of fair living and working conditions for all our nursing staffs. Adequate remuneration alone is not enough. Proper amenities and adequate recreational facilities are also of primary importance and during the year the attention of local authorities was drawn to the matter. In many districts considerable improvements have taken place and progress is being made towards the introduction of a 96-hour fortnight. Some counties are experiencing difficulty in introducing the shorter working hours owing to the absence of residential accommodation for the extra nursing staff which is required, but efforts are being made to provide the necessary accommodation, and in some cases arrangements have been made to allow the staffs to live out. In order to relieve the existing overcrowding of our training schools and to ensure a more liberal supply of nurses, I have urged the public assistance authorities responsible for some of our larger county hospitals to endeavour to fulfil the requirements of the General Nursing Council in order that they may be recognised as training schools. As already mentioned, a new grade of sanatorium nurse was instituted during the year.

Health authorities were encouraged to appoint further health inspectors, where required, to meet the demands of the public health services and courses in sanitary science were held at University Colleges, Dublin and Cork, which afforded persons desirous of being appointed as health inspectors an opportunity to obtain the necessary technical qualifications.

The local authority medical services have been handicapped by the non-availability of specialist services outside the larger centres of population. Hitherto, persons who required specialist attention could not, generally, receive such attention in the areas in which they reside and were, therefore, obliged to travel to Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway. It is essential to have the services of specialists more widely available throughout the country. Discussions have taken place between officers of my Department and county managers and county medical officers with a view to finding an early solution of this problem. There seems to be general agreement with the view that the specialist services should be brought to the people and that local authorities should make appointments, or combine to make joint appointments, of wholetime officers. An enormous improvement in the health services at relatively little cost would be achieved if orthopædic, ophthalmic, obstetric and ear, nose and throat specialists were available regularly at the county clinics or smaller clinics in a county as required and in the local hospitals. The saving in human suffering would be very appreciable and I hope that before the year is out considerable further progress will have been made.

The availability of a complete range of laboratory services is another essential element. It is hoped to provide a full range of pathological and bacteriological services in each region, with county laboratory services to deal with routine work not requiring more specialist intervention.

The pattern of medical service which is evolving should now be apparent. The general practitioner is obviously the basic unit in that pattern and he will have as backing the local pathological services to which I have referred, or, alternatively, the specialist clinic to which he can refer his patients. The clinics in their turn are backed by hospital beds of the appropriate kind in the district hospital or the county hospital or the local sanatorium. These hospitals are in turn backed by the regional hospitals or other specialist institutions, including the regional sanatoria, orthopædic centres, etc. Outstanding in this pattern must be the position of St. Kevin's Hospital, Dublin, where, as I have already mentioned, not alone will there be a medical service second to none for the patients, but refresher and other courses will be provided to enable the medical staffs of local authorities to improve and to bring up to date their knowledge and to ensure that the highest possible standards are maintained at every level of the service.

In regard to all this, I would like to emphasise that it is my desire that treatment up to and including a high specialist level should be available to every patient as near to his own home as possible and that the processions of ambulances from the furthest corners of the country to hospitals in Dublin and Cork should become more and more attenuated.

I now come to the details of the Estimate before the House. The increase under sub-head A—Salaries, Wages and Allowances—is attributable to the additional staff required in my Department and the payment of increased remuneration to civil servants arising out of the recent revision of Civil Service salaries. The additional provision under sub-head B— Travelling Expenses—is necessitated by the increase in the inspectorial staff at headquarters and also by the fact that the amount of inspection and supervision work will be greater than in previous years, due to the expansion of local health services.

The main provision under sub-head E—Expenses in Connection with International Congress, Etc.—is for the payment of this country's contribution towards the Budget of the World Health Organisation for 1949. Ireland's contribution has been fixed at 0.34 per cent. of the total budget which amounts to about $5,000,000. Our contribution for 1949 amounts to £4,280. Sub-head F (2) makes provision for the payment of expenses connected with the activities of the different consultative health councils which have been established. I have already explained in some detail the work done by these councils in the past year.

Deputies will note that greatly increased provision has been made under sub-head F (3)—Dissemination of Information and Advice on Health. I regard publicity measures as a vital part of any campaign for the inculcation of health habits among our people. If we can fully awaken the community to a well-balanced appreciation of the need to safeguard health, we will have taken a very big step forward in the ceaseless struggle against ill-health and towards the attainment of a healthy community.

Sub-head F (4)—Miscellaneous Expenses in connection with the Health Act, 1947—is a new sub-head. I have already referred to the regulations which it is proposed to make in the near future. It is unlikely that any considerable expenditure from central funds in connection with the administration of these regulations will arise for discharge during the present year, but a token sum of £10 is being provided under this sub-head.

The provision made under sub-head G (3)—Expenses in Connection with a Survey of Human Nutrition—is greatly reduced from last year as the field work arising from the survey has been concluded. The nutrition survey, as Deputies are no doubt aware, consisted of a dietary survey concerning selected families in various areas throughout the country and a clinical survey concerning thousands of school children and some adolescents and expectant mothers and nursing mothers. A report of the methods employed in the dietary survey generally and on the results of the dietary survey in Dublin in particular was published last February. Deputies will recall that the survey indicated that, with the exception of calcium, the intake of nutrients was, broadly speaking, satisfactory at all levels of income, food expenditure and family size. The deficiency in calcium was found to be considerable in some groups, due to the low consumption of milk and cheese.

The statistical analysis of the returns received from the nutrition investigators in respect of the congested districts has been completed and it is hoped to publish a report on this portion of the survey at an early date. Analysis of the dietary returns in respect of the remainder of the country, and of the clinical returns, is in progress and it is hoped that the work will be completed by the end of the current year.

We now come to sub-head H—Grants to Health Authorities—which is the largest item in the Estimate. I explained the principle underlying the Health Services (Financial Provisions) Act, 1947, in my statement on last year's Estimate, but perhaps a little recapitulation may be helpful.

The Act provides that the State will bear each year the difference between the net expenditure of each health authority on health services and the net expenditure of that authority on such services from local funds in the year 1947-48, (i.e. the standard expenditure) until such time as the State contribution equals the expenditure of the health authority. Thereafter, the cost will be borne equally by central and local funds. The method of recouping health authorities for health expenditure has also been simplified and a single grant replaces all previous grants in aid of expenditure on recognised health services.

It is not expected that any health authority will, in the current financial year, reach the point where its expenditure will be equal to twice its standard expenditure. Consequently, the costs, excluding capital costs, of any new developments of the health services in the present year, together with any increases in the cost of the old services, must be met in full by the Exchequer.

The ascertainment of the standard expenditure in each case must await the audit of the local accounts, but it is estimated that the aggregate standard expenditure of all health authorities is in the region of £4,731,000. The aggregate expenditure of health authorities on recognised health services for the year ending 31st March, 1950, is estimated at £6,915,000, as detailed in Part III of the Estimate, and the difference to be borne by the Exchequer is, therefore, £2,184,000. Of this amount it is expected that 95 per cent., or £2,075,000, will actually be paid within the year, the balance to be paid on receipt of the auditors' certificate. A further item of £85,000, contained in sub-head H, is to pay the balances of grants due in respect of the year 1948-49 which will fall due as the accounts of that year are audited.

The total disbursements by health authorities on health services for the current year are estimated to exceed the disbursements for the year ended 31st March, 1948, by £1,273,000. The corresponding excess of expenditure for the year ended 31st March, 1949, over the preceding year's expenditure is estimated at £859,000.

Sub-head (I)—Grants to Voluntary Agencies for Child Welfare, Schools for Mothers, etc.—shows an increase of £500 on last year's estimate of expenses. The provision under this sub-head is for grants to voluntary agencies, such as district nursing associations, which provide, outside local authority schemes, services for mothers and children in the forms of boarding out, nursing homes, etc.

The Grant-in-Aid provided for under sub-head J—National Blood Transfusion Service—is a contribution towards the expenses of the establishment and maintenance of the non-profit-making body, a company, limited by guarantee, set up in August last to organise and administer a blood transfusion service on a national basis. Suitable premises have been acquired by the company and the medical director has already taken up duty. It is hoped that effective progress towards the establishment of an adequate transfusion service will be made in the present year.

Sub-heads L and M (1) to M (5) provide for balances of grants payable to local authorities arising out of expenditure in years previous to 1948-1949. Expenditure by health authorities on the corresponding services in respect of subsequent financial years will be recouped from sub-head H—Grants to Health Authorities.

In conclusion, I would like to say a few words about further plans. Some appear to think that progress is reflected in the production of grandiose schemes, attractive in theory but not capable of early implementation. We must build on a solid foundation. Widely-available health services would soon fail if they had not the backing of hospital and specialist facilities and ancillary medical and nursing personnel. We must first concentrate on providing these facilities before we impose an undue strain on the health services by too great an immediate widening of their scope.

My main concern is the provision of facilities designed to eradicate weaknesses in our existing services, and when this has been accomplished gradually to extend their scope. The provision of beds to relieve the pressing needs of the acutely ill, the successful prosecution of an anti-tuberculosis campaign, the provision of an improved mother and child health service, the raising of the standard of the medical assistance service by the provision of post-graduate courses, specialist teaching and suitable premises, the organisation of an adequate cancer service, the provision of proper care for mentally deficient persons, the organisation of a clean and nutritious food campaign, and other projects to which I have already referred, form the basis of our short-term plans to give the country a better health service. The bringing of the plans I have outlined to a successful conclusion will need the whole-hearted co-operation of local health authorities, the public and medical and nursing personnel. I feel that such co-operation will be forthcoming, as we are all at one in agreement to improve the health services, and once we have the will, the removal of any difficulties and the smoothing out of any disagreements on the means or methods to be adopted should not present too serious a problem.

The Minister for Health has been good enough to give us a number of figures regarding the general state of the public health. It is satisfactory to know that, on the whole, the trend is satisfactory. Although, as I understand, there seems to have been a decrease in the number of marriages, there has been, on the other side, a considerable decrease also in the number of deaths in the past year. It is satisfactory to know that the mortality rates in respect of tuberculosis and gastro-enteritis, and in other respects, have improved. It is good also to know that the measures that have been taken with regard to diphtheria over the past number of years are succeeding and that this disease is no longer the menace which it used to be to the health of the community. I think the fact that the Minister has such a fairly good bill of health to show from the national point of view is, to some extent, accounted for by the fact that a considerable amount of work had been done over a long period of years.

One does not expect to achieve revolutionary results in spite of these wonderful drugs that we hear of and that it would seem are being constantly produced in the United States of America. The impression one gets is that it is only a matter of time until specifics for all classes of diseases will be easily available in tabloid form. Nevertheless, most of us must feel that we are not going to bring about revolutionary changes in a very short period of years. If we were to do so, perhaps the research students of the future might find that the results on the human frame and organism were not all that had been anticipated when specifics were first put into operation.

I think that, in the start of any national health service, the foundation would seem to lie with the family unit. Our Party attach a good deal of importance to the scheme which was known as the mother and child scheme. I notice that the Minister, when speaking down the country, referred to the stigma of pauperism which, he alleged, the present Opposition Party were guilty of allowing to continue in the dispensary system taken over from the old régime.

We set up the Department of Health, and even before the Department was set up a considerable amount of work had been accomplished. It is quite true that the then Department of Local Government and Public Health was unable to deal with health problems in the way that we would have wished. But the problem of setting up a new Department, and the fact that it was obviously going to be one which, if it were expanded in a modern way, would involve very big financial and other considerations, was naturally a matter that a good deal of thought had to be given to, if it were feasible to keep the number of Government Departments and Ministries at the minimum—at the former level. We would have wished that that would have been the case, but we felt that, having regard to modern developments and the great improvements in medical science generally, and the fact that a great part of the work of local authorities was taken up with public health matters, and, furthermore, that in connection with the building of new hospitals and the moneys which had come along from the Hospitals' Trust, it was obvious, now that the war had come to an end and things had taken a somewhat different aspect, a Department of Health would justify itself and would be worth the cost of the country in the advantages it would bring. Various measures, and not alone mental disease measures, were passed through this House dealing with that particular matter.

The question of the treatment of gastro-enteritis was taken up and steps were taken to provide proper hospital treatment, with the result that, following the efforts which have been continued, the disease has been very largely eliminated. Steps were also taken with regard to rheumatism and I have referred to what was done in regard to trying to get immunisation extended. I do not think, therefore, it is quite proper for the Minister, or indeed worthy of him, to suggest that nothing had been done and that, in fact, it was to a certain extent his task to try to undo the harm that had been done by Fianna Fáil, during their administration, because we set up a committee to deal with this question of health services and the recommendations of that committee are there to be seen. They were not, of course, asked to make recommendations which it was intended to pass by or not to give effect to in due course. The committee examined the whole question of the health services in great detail and went to a great deal of trouble and made certain recommendations. All these recommendations were the subject of active consideration. White Papers were issued with regard to the proposals the Government had in mind for the extension of the health services and for tuberculosis.

There was also, as part of the general Government policy, the question of a building programme and in connection with that, so far back as 1945, it was indicated that hospitals would have to receive a considerable amount of priority. It was intended to start off the building programme as soon as building materials became available, and to do so on a considerable scale. We attached a considerable amount of importance to the mother and child scheme. We have been discussing, under the Department of Social Welfare Estimate, an extension of the social services. Various questions have been asked regarding the basis of the proposed extension, and it seems to me that the extension of the health services is allied with that question and it might, indeed, be regarded in a broad way as being part of the whole question of social services. For example, in national health insurance, obviously the health services come very much into the picture in whatever proposals the Government has in mind for its new social security scheme.

One of the difficulties, as I mentioned on the Vote for the Department of Social Welfare, is the problem of the rural population and how, in a scheme which may be quite suitable for a population of insurable people, an industrial population, which can be made actuarially sound and very satisfactory from the point of view of the benefits that will accrue to the contributors, to get the rural population of the type that we have in this country and which constitutes nearly half of our total population, into your scheme. That is a matter of difficulty. We, therefore, considered that, side by side with whatever developments might take place from the point of view of social insurance, and which would probably mean improvements in health benefits and in medical treatment for participants in the scheme, at the same time there should be a development in health services, particularly in areas that might not otherwise benefit, that would not be covered in the same way as would the industrial areas by social insurance.

The intention was to have, instead of the dispensary scheme, a local health unit composed of a doctor, a fully trained nurse and a maternity nurse, and that these would be integrated with the infant welfare scheme, where this existed, and with the school medical inspection scheme and that, broadly speaking, the same type of service would be free, or almost free. There is always a question whether you want to go so far in this question of health services as to make them completely State services, or whether, because you want to leave room for the individual practitioner or because you do not want to bring the schemes completely under the State, even though you are bringing about a reform, you will not make it entirely free but you will make a certain charge. That, of course, is one of the big questions which will ultimately have to be decided.

Generally speaking, the idea was to develop the existing dispensary system and have the doctor, the trained nurse and the maternity nurse working in conjunction with one another, with special attention to ante-natal care and to the welfare of mothers. Through the increased attention that the nurse and the doctor would be able to give the school it was hoped to have more frequent inspections and to do a great deal more from the point of view of health education. It was also contemplated that hospital services would be made available to rural residents. There again, there might be a small charge or a certain limit of valuation but, generally speaking, the services would be readily available, even if not entirely free. The intention was that certainly in the county hospitals obstetrical and ophthalmic advice and so on would be available. It was hoped that in the regional hospitals, of which there was to be a number throughout the country, the same services would be available as, broadly speaking, are available in the big metropolitan hospitals. That was the general scheme.

If it is said that there was a certain neglect in carrying these matters forward I can only repeat, as some members of the present Government seem to forget and which, I am afraid, has escaped the attention of the Minister for Health, that the world has gone through a very severe crisis. We have had a very big war and, even in neutral States, it has not been possible to go ahead. The emergency problems created, although perhaps not nearly so serious in character as those which confronted the belligerents, were nevertheless grave and there were difficulties particularly in securing materials and in keeping the ordinary economic life of the country going which prevented the Government from giving that attention to social reforms which would have been given to them in normal times and under normal conditions.

I have referred to the rotten stigma of pauperism which the Minister alleges still adheres to the dispensary system. As far as I am aware, there is not that rotten stigma of pauperism attaching to the dispensary system. It is true that the system may have defects. The fact that it is, to a certain extent, a legacy to us from the British Government may mean, to those who want to clear out everything and build anew from the foundations, that they would like to sweep away that system completely. It had the advantage, which people examining the present state of the world and asking themselves seriously where we are going would not consider by any means a disadvantage, that it happened to combine two important things—firstly, the element of medical assistance for the poorer persons of the community and, secondly, freedom for the medical officers, since they are only part-time officials, to carry on their private practices. The present trend of events in other countries which are going in for State services would seem to indicate that, while there may be defects in the existing system, it will be by no means easy to replace that system. Very often when such a system is replaced it is found, as has been discovered in a neighbouring country recently, that such replacement has serious disadvantages and that in time their disadvantages are even greater than those in the system they supersede.

The Minister has told us that he will give us plenty of sanatoria, dispensaries and clinics. He said that when he took office there were 135 different proposals before the Department for the provision of hospitals. He said that most of these stretched back as far as 1932. I had thought of putting down a Parliamentary question asking the Minister what exactly were the 135 proposals, most of which went back to 1932. Irrespective of whether they did or did not go back as far as 1932, the Minister went on to say that they were awaiting decision when he took office but that no one was sufficiently interested to say whether they should be built or not. One would imagine that the Minister, even in an election campaign, might more worthily devote his attention to explaining to the public what exactly he himself is doing, what he has not been able to accomplish and what he hopes to accomplish in the future, rather than berate his predecessors for alleged neglect.

I have said that we suffered from a great scarcity of building materials during the war period. When war broke out a good deal of valuable work had been done in the erection of hospitals throughout the country and in bringing some of the famous Dublin hospitals up to date. Despite the aid that the Hospitals' Trust Fund gave, the problem of the administration of these institutions, upon which matter the Minister has given very little information to the House, was a matter of the greatest importance. To build an institution is one thing. To staff it is another thing. To maintain it over period of years and look after it pemanently is quite another matter.

The Minister himself, in spite of all his enthusiasm, admitted last year that the programme he found before him had to be cut down. I think he said that it was about £27,000,000 in all and it was his intention to spend £17,500,000 over the next seven years. He had made an almost identical statement this year. I fear that the Minister becoming so embarrassed with all the millions of pounds that he is in danger of having them hanging around his neck like a millstone, if one can visualise a millstone made of bare notes. Obviously, this millstone will make it impossible for him to make the progress that he hoped to make. During the present year, if I have interpreted his opening speech correctly, he has not been able to point to a single building project which has been completed. I have seen in the newspapers during the past few days advertisements for the building of a sanatorium in Galway. It will be easily understood that these things take a considerable time. As the Minister now knows, it takes a number of years to prepare the plans for very large institutions. Having prepared the plans, it takes a further period of year before the building can be erected.

We have an example in my own constituency, in Kilkenny, where, before his predecessor left office, a house was acquired for a new sanatorium. The old sanatorium was an eyesore. It had been a cause of complaint for years, and rightly so, and it was felt that it was a matter of the greatest urgency that it should be replaced but, although the house was actually acquired before we left office, and although it does not seem by any means a tremendous job to get it fitted up and reconstructed, or to change the patients from the existing very unsuitable premises, I cannot see that any progress whatever has been made in the matter except whatever progress the Minister may have made with his own officials and by reason of certain consultations, which I understand, he has had with the local authorities concerned. That is a simple example of the delays that will occur even when intentions and desires are of the very best.

The Minister has told us of the 135 different proposals, of 40 jobs of £100,000 which are to be executed, and 20 of £250,000, some going as far as £1,000,000. I understood him to say— perhaps the Minister would correct me if I am wrong—that it was hoped to provide an additional 6,800 beds for a capital expenditure of £17,500,000. I do not know whether this capital expenditure envisages anything except building but even if it includes all the equipment that is necessary for a modern hospital, as is probably the case, it means that if the expectation is to make 6,800 beds available for £17,500,000 the cost of each bed is going to be about £2,500 so that the costs are not nearly, as the Minister stated and as I think he will find, twice as great as before the war. I should be greatly surprised, having regard to the general level of building costs, which seems to have gone up by 300 per cent., if the costs would not be nearer three-fold than two-fold.

The Minister in reply to a Parliamentary question indicated as he had already indicated last year on his Estimate speech, that the amount of money available to the Hospitals' Trust Fund was about £10,000,000. On the 31st December, 1948, the total assets of the fund stood at £10,300,000. The total amount invested at that date was £9,783,000. Dividends from investments totalled £308,000 for the year 1948.

"It is not possible to say at this stage what the deficits of the voluntary hospitals will amount to in 1949 but in 1947 the deficits totalled £334,000. The estimated figure for 1948 is £420,000."

That is to say that the dividends from the fund amounted to £308,000 but the hospital deficits were £428,000. Last year the Minister said he was giving very serious consideration to this question of the deficits.

Having regard to the figures which I have just mentioned, obviously the yield accruing from the Estimates would not be sufficient to meet the existing deficits and the question is, if these deficits are to increase, as they must increase having regard to the general increase in maintenance expenses, wages, price of medicines, drugs and in services of all kinds, how the deficiency would be made up. At the end of this answer the Minister said:—

"The full amount of the fund is available for capital expenditure."

If this £10,000,000 is hypotheticated— I do not know whether that is the right word—or if it is earmarked to meet hospital deficits in that way and if all the interest accruing from the investments would be needed for that purpose how can it be utilised for capital expenditure?

I think that another proof of the fact that the country was not quite so neglected by the Fianna Fáil Administration, as the Minister would have some of us believe, was the measure which was passed by this House before we left office which ensured to local authorities that they would not have to bear the burden of the increased liabilities which would otherwise fall on them and which would be very heavy indeed if they had to finance even a percentage of the local public health charges which they had to meet up to that time. It was arranged by the then Minister, Deputy Dr. Ryan, under legislation which we passed through, that any additional expenditure would have to be borne by the State and until such time as the grants made by the State would reach the level of the then existing expenditure from the local rates, the ratepayers would not be asked to pay further contributions for extensions of the public health services.

As I understand it, the Minister has now stated that out of an expenditure of £6,900,000 roughly, £2,224,000 is being provided by the State. That is provided by legislation which we passed and whatever Minister or whatever administration is charged for the time being with public health, will have to meet that liability from the State for the extension of public health services throughout the country until such time as the legislation is amended or is cancelled altogether.

As I have said, we tried to meet the position that arises from the difficulty of dealing with the problem of public health to even a greater extent than in the case of social insurance proper, by coming to the aid of the public health authorities throughout the country in that way and by encouraging them through legislation, through propaganda and through certain educational measures, to take advantage of the facilities which the State was offering because the State has certainly made a tremendous gesture and given a wonderful inducement to local authorities to take advantage of the opportunity to equip their local hospitals and other institutions with the most highly qualified staffs and with the best personnel they could possibly secure. It was complained against the Minister on former occasions—I should not say former occasion but on the last occasion when he came before the House with his Estimate—that he rather tended to stress the curative side of his responsibilities rather than the preventive side.

In connection with the nutritional survey to which he has referred, I think it is quite clear that nutrition and the other factors which come in on the preventive side are so important that on an occasion like this, when we are discussing the general national health, they should be given pride of place. For example, we are told in connection with tuberculosis that the causes of it arise from poverty, malnutrition and housing. We have not heard a great deal in the past year or two on this. We used to hear a great deal before certain Parties came into this House about malnutrition. One would have thought, from some of the stories that were going the rounds at that time, that there were large sections of the population dying from malnutrition. Where they were not dying from some disease such as tuberculosis, they were simply wasting away from malnutrition.

It is very valuable that we have this scientific document dealing with the standards of nutrition among representative sections of the Dublin population in the year 1946. In spite of the very high marriage rate and the admirable optimism which brought about the excellent state of affairs, it was not by any means a very good year from the food point of view. Though it was not as bad as 1947, it was not good by any means. There had been bad weather right on from the summer of that year and it continued until 1947, with serious results on the food output and agriculture. Nevertheless, I notice from the survey that even the poorest people were able to get practically the full ration of butter and, as the Minister has mentioned, the report was able to say that, with the exception of calcium, the nutrient intake for the representative samples, including slum dwellers and artisans as well as a certain middle-class section, was, broadly speaking, satisfactory. The calcium difficulty arose on account of the 100 per cent. extraction from flour which, owing to the shortage of cereals, we had to adopt at the time. But after that and while the survey was taking place, the flour was fortified to give the necessary calcium content at any rate.

The report says that they attribute the lack of calcium, which was the only constituent they seemed to think lacking to a degree that would indicate that we were in any respect whatever below good international standards, to the fact that the milk and cheese consumption was very much below what they would have liked.

As we are interested in this question of milk, not alone from one aspect, but from the point of view of helping our dairy farmers, it is no harm to mention what exactly the report said in that respect:—

"The deficiency in calcium was mainly due to the low consumption of milk and cheese."

Further on they say:—

"The main defects of the diets were an insufficient intake of milk, and a lack of variety among the poorer and larger families."

Will the Deputy say for record purposes what he is quoting from?

From the summary of the findings of the National Nutrition Survey, page 16, paragraphs 3 and 5. As to the consumption of milk they state:—

"The Advisory Committee on Nutrition, Ministry of Health, stated that ‘the desirable amount of milk is for children from one to two pints per day; for expectant and nursing mothers about two pints per day; and for other adult members of the community ½ a pint of milk daily.' Basing their figures on these recommendations, Bransby and Magee, in 1947, allowed the following quantities daily: up to 14 years, 1.5 pint; 15 to 20 years, one pint; nursing and expectant mothers, two pints; other adults, 0.5 pint."

The figures for Dublin given in Table 3C, when compared with these allowances, show that the percentages which the actual intakes represent of the requirements are those stated in Table 1.

In other words, if you take 100 as the standard intake and measure the actual consumption in Dublin families of these representatives types, you find that in the slum family, as it is called, where there are one or two persons the intake is 116; where there are three or four persons it is only 73; five, six or seven persons, 53; eight, nine, ten or 11 persons, 53. In the case of the artisan family with one or two persons in the family, 189; in the case of three or four persons in the artisan family, 110. But in the larger artisan families of five, six or seven persons it is only 70, and with eight, nine, ten or 11 persons, 43. That is to say, that where there are more than two persons in a slum family the percentage of milk consumption falls below what would be the proper standard. In the artisan family where there are five or more persons in the family, it also falls below the standard. As the report says:—

"The outstanding feature of the Table is that the milk consumption of the large families in the whole Dublin sample falls seriously short of requirements; in fact, the greater the need for milk, the less that need is met."

I do not know that this is a particularly appropriate time for calling attention to the milk question. But, by way of advertisement, there is a further paragraph in this very excellent report which might interest the Dáil. I think we should congratulate those who devoted so much time to it. It was a very difficult question. They examined it from the point of view of dietetics. They did not examine it from the point of view altogether of £ s. d., but they mention:—

"The survey brings out the need for food education to encourage the spending of money to the best nutritional advantage. It emerges, for example, that families of different social grades but of approximately the same proportion of children to adults and the same average food expenditure bought significantly different quantities of food. Thus with the expenditure on food of 10/-to 15/- per diet head per week, the average consumption of milk rose from 4.1 pints in slum families to 5 pints in middle-class families."

Generally, the conclusion was that the larger the family the less the expenditure per head on food, and apparently that is particularly so in the case of milk. It is well known that the consumption of milk has been increasing in Dublin and, in spite of the fact that we have had certain shortages, I notice that during the emergency period in regard to eggs we were only reduced from the position of having roughly five eggs per week per head of our population to about four per week. While our consumption of bacon went down very substantially, we still had a ration and our consumption of fresh meat increased enormously.

I am sure that trend has continued during the past two years and that our standard of living is not alone comparable to that of other countries but is higher. I see no reason why we should attempt to conceal that fact. Instead, we should stress it. Those of us who had responsibility during the emergency and immediately after it know what visitors from other countries thought of our conditions and how very glad they would have been to exchange their circumstances for ours.

I have done my duty in opening the discussion on this Vote and hope that the reforms we had envisaged, of getting on with the mother and child scheme, integrating the dispensary medical officer with the local health unit and paying special attention to maternity and infant welfare services, will receive the attention of the Minister. I would like him to explain, when replying, how the hospital programme he has in mind is to be financed and what scheme is likely to operate in connection with the administration of these hospitals.

It is quite true that housing, like nutrition, has a great deal to do with the incidence of disease. While the Minister is to be congratulated on demanding some priority for hospitals as against housing requirements, I now understand from him that about 15 per cent. of the annual output in building will be devoted to hospital construction and improvement. That is somewhat on the lines we have been expecting. The average annual output in building in pre-war days was about £8,000,000 and it was anticipated that, when building materials were freely available again, if you could aim at that during the first year—though you would not reach it—and if during the succeeding period of years you reached £8,000,000 or perhaps £10,000,000, you would be doing very well indeed. On the basis of the target of £8,000,000, it was anticipated that about £500,000 might be allocated to hospital construction and the figure the Minister has read out seems to indicate that that is his present aim. However, we have no information before us as to the actual building output for the country as a whole, or for hospitals or public health institutions, during the year.

It seems that we are still in the region of planning and, in spite of the large programme the Minister mentioned that he had in view last year and that he has spoken so much about and the millions of pounds that he is going to spend, in fact very little actual building work has been brought to a conclusion during the year. I hope I need not assume from that that considerable schemes are not, for all I know, in progress ; but if the Minister would enlighten the House a little further in his reply as to what exactly is being done and not merely give us another litany of projects and schemes he hopes to carry out during the coming seven years, some of us would feel that more real work was being accomplished.

I sincerely congratulate the Minister on the courageous and enthusiastic way in which he has faced up to the many problems that confronted him when he came into this important office of Minister for Health. If he is to get a fair chance of dealing with tuberculosis in a reasonable period, he must get the co-operation of all members of the House—I am sure he will get it—and also the friendly and active co-operation of public service companies, the Civil Service, local authorities and employers generally, whose workers in some cases are affected in large numbers.

I wonder if the Minister, since he came into office, has made inquiries or, if he has, whether he has particulars of the varying manner in which different employers treat their workers who are suffering from tuberculosis. If so, is there any possible chance that he could use his good offices—or even take the necessary authority, if he has not got it now—to bring up to a decent Christian standard the way in which employers can help him and his Department in dealing with this terrible problem?

I have been asked on a number of occasions to listen to deputations which come to a group with which I an associated, in connection with the varying treatment meted out to workers suffering from tuberculosis. Some of them are employed by the biggest public service companies in this State. One such corporation, which employs 20,000 workers, had a rule, under the old régime, of striking such people off the payroll and terminating their services at the end of six months. The Minister will agree that it is not possible to cure any person seriously affected with tuberculosis in that period. I suggest once again to him—I have already suggested it—that should take an early opportunity, in the case of public service corporations who are not helping in this matter, to see that they treat their workers in a humane way when they are found suffering from this terrible scourge. Whatever may be the Minister's view as to the minimum period in which a serious case of tuberculosis can be cured, he should lay that down as a standard for the Civil Service, local authorities, public service corporations and every employer of any note. When he does that, he will get the co-operation of people who can help him to go some way to solve this problem. I know of employers who pay their workers who are suffering from tuberculosis over a period of two years. I know others who strike them off the full payroll at the end of three months or at the end of six months.

Some do not pay them at all.

That is so. I know places in this city where the colleagues of the tuberculosis patients make up the full pay for the wives and families of the people who are receiving institutional treatment. Some reasonable standard should be laid down for the guidance of employers, and the employer who does not come up to that standard should get the works, in plain language. It is a rotten state of affairs for any public service corporation or any employer who professes to be a decent employer to strike off the payroll a man who has given long service and to strike him off without pay and to leave his wife and children at the mercy of the local authority or public health authority. I am sure that the majority of decent employers will respond to any reasonable request made by the Minister in this matter.

I do not want to go into the case in detail. I would merely ask the Minister, if he has not already done so, to make early inquiries and, if necessary, to pay a visit to the institution where members of the Garda who are suffering from tuberculosis are being treated. I do not know whether or not he is acquainted with the conditions under which a fairly large number of Gardaí are being treated. The place itself does not appear to come up to the standard required for the provision of modern curative treatment for people suffering from this terrible scourge. The cost of providing treatment for members of the Garda is met out of what is known as a medical aid society, a society with very limited funds. I was amazed to learn, for instance, the manner in which the matron of that particular place is being treated, a lady who had long service many years ago with one of the best surgeons in this country and who has 14 years' service in the place where the members of the Garda are at present being treated. As far as I know, she has less pay and longer hours than any of the nurses working in our city hospitals. I shall not go into the matter any further but, if the Minister will take an early opportunity of making inquiries into the conditions, I am sure he will convince himself that some change should be made in the kind of institutional treatment that is provided for members of the Garda suffering from tuberculosis. I want to say quite definitely that in making these remarks I am not casting any reflection whatever on the medical officer concerned, because he is working under considerable difficulties and I am quite certain that it is not his fault or the fault of the few qualified people who are helping him in this particular place. I leave it at that.

I understand that a certain amount of argument and correspondence has been proceeding for some time past between the local authorities in my constituency and the Minister's Department regarding the extent to which the local authority should help to defray the cost of reconstructing institutions in Counties Leix and Offaly. We have been told to-night by Deputy Derrig, in a very reasonable speech— I congratulate him on the reasonable way that he moved the reference back of this Estimate—about the huge funds that are at the disposal of the Minister for dealing with public health problems generally. In these days of rapidly rising rates, and especially in view of the fact that we have millions of money which no other country has the good fortune to have at its disposal, such a high percentage of the total cost of reconstructing county institutions should not be passed on to the local rates. If, say, 50, 40 or 30 per cent. is, in the opinion of the Minister, a reasonable figure to pass on to the local ratepayers in a case of this kind, the amount should not be collected out of one year's rates. If there is any local charge to be borne for the reconstruction of county institutions it should be spread over a period of years and the ratepayers should not be mulcted by having to provide £20,000, £30,000 or £40,000 out of the rates in one year. I make that suggestion to the Minister and I hope that this long drawn-out correspondence will be brought to an early conclusion by agreement between the Minister and the representatives of the local authorities concerned.

This is not the first time that I drew attention in this House to the necessity, the urgent necessity in some cases, for the provision of decent dispensaries in the rural parts of my constituency and for the provision of residences for dispensary doctors. I know of a number of places in my constituency in connection with which proposals have been repeatedly put forward over a period of years by the county manager for the provision of decent housing accommodation for the local dispensary doctor and I know that, as a result of the failure of the local authority to go ahead and provide a decent residence for a dispensary doctor, it is impossible to get highly qualified doctors to come in and act as dispensary doctors and that is understandable. I know of cases where very good doctors remained only a short while and transferred to other places where better housing accommodation and perhaps better remuneration were made available for them. I would invite the Minister to take an early opportunity to inquire from the county manager for Leix and Offaly as to the extent to which decent housing accommodation is required for the dispensary officers there and to ask him to furnish a report generally on the condition of the dispensaries and the degree of urgency for the provision of decent houses for dispensary doctors. The lack of such accommodation is an old grievance in some cases in my area and it is about time that it was settled in the interests of the whole of the rate paying community and particularly in the interests of those who require treatment by dispensary doctors. Dispensary doctors are entitled to have modern dispensaries, properly equipped, and to have decent housing accommodation for themselves and their families.

There is also the question of the provision of better schools in many areas. I assume that the Minister, since he came into office, has made a general survey of that situation. I know of school-houses in my constituency that are not fit to house Christians, where there is not proper accommodation for the children. Representations in regard to these matters have been sent recently to the Minister from various portions of my constituency.

I do not want to detain the House unnecessarily because I am perfectly satisfied that the present Minister for Health is doing everything that can reasonably be expected of him, especially having regard to the short time that has elapsed since he came into office, to face up to and to deal in an effective way with the many major problems that confronted him and that were awaiting solution when he came into office.

Deputy Derrig mentioned the question of the extent to which the increase in tuberculosis is brought about as a result of malnutrition. I was speaking to a very prominent county medical officer of health, a man who is well known to almost every member of the House, on this matter some time ago, as a result of what I knew to be a huge increase in the number of cases per head of the population suffering from tuberculosis in a certain portion of my constituency, and he assured me —and I accept the assurance of this man with long experience—that 50 per cent. of the increase in tuberculosis in his area in recent times was due to malnutrition. If that is true, it is a terrible state of affairs and a condition which the Minister will have to face up to, if it is, generally speaking, a picture of the situation throughout the country. The Minister, so long as he takes such an enthusiastic interest, as I am sure he always will, in the work entrusted to him, will receive the full support of this group in his efforts to stamp out the terrible scourge of tuberculosis.

On the last occasion on which I spoke on the Health Estimate I appealed to the Minister to expedite the implementation of the Health Act in so far as it provides for the introduction of maternity and child welfare services, and I am still hoping that he is not overlooking this very essential aspect of the medical services. It is hardly necessary for me to say that the foundation of the health of the community rests on ante-natal and post-natal work, on ensuring that mothers will receive adequate medical attention prior to and after confinement and on the children being attended to from every point of view to ensure that they will in future be the healthy personnel we all would like to see.

It is very difficult for a dispensary doctor to co-ordinate the various medical services under the present system, and the sooner a comprehensive medical service is established, the better, and the easier it will be for everybody. Everybody will agree that the medical services of the country centre around the dispensary system. It is a system which, I feel, could scarcely be improved upon as a system, but it is one which, as it exists at the moment, calls for improvements in many directions. The buildings in a great number of cases are deplorable— they are shanties—and, despite the fact that a number of new clinics have been erected throughout the country, there still remains room for the erection of many more. I feel that in a number of cases, in rural areas particularly, the replacement of these old dispensary buildings by new buildings is unnecessary. With improvements in transport and so on, the centralisation of good clinics is preferable even to improvement of some of the shanties to which I have referred. In the erection of new clinics in towns and even in country districts the local medical officer of health should be consulted as to the site. I have noticed in a number of urban areas that the clinic has been erected as far away as possible from the residence of the doctor, making it extremely difficult for him during the day, when he is busy, and particularly at night, to attend there.

In connection with the dispensary system, I note that the Minister contemplates the abolition of the ticket system and the introduction of cards. We all know that the ticket system is archaic and objectionable, but it is a system which, I want to inform the Minister, is practically non-existent. It has almost died a natural death. Nobody asks for tickets and very few people bring a ticket to the dispensary. I believe that the same will happen with regard to cards. These are supposed to be renewed every year and, initially perhaps, people will get cards, but at the end of a year they will be discarded and nobody will ask for them, and they also will probably die a natural death.

When I say that it is difficult for a dispensary doctor to carry out his medical duties, I suggest that, although I am sorry the Minister did not have some experience of dispensary medical work—he is probably fortunate in that respect—he will not find it difficult to picture the doctor on a busy dispensary day trying to do his work in connection with the registration of births, marriages and deaths, writing out relief tickets, writing in attendance books, noting the names of patients who come to the dispensary and a host of other secretarial and useless functions. It is a miracle that, in these circumstances, he finds time to give the patients any medicine at all, and it works out that the examinations of patients in these conditions are very cursory.

And the facilities are appalling.

The facilities in a number of cases are appalling, I admit, even in the new clinics which are physically all right but which are not being kept in a proper state of repair. I do not think I have anything further to say concerning dispensaries.

The Minister mentioned the report from the gastro-enteritis investigation committee and in that regard it is unnecessary for me to appeal to the Minister to ensure as far as possible that food and milk be produced under sanitary conditions. I almost despair regarding the solution of the problem of gastro-enteritis when I pick up a paper which reports the finding of two milkmen milking cows in a Dublin dairy with their hands soaked in liquid manure. I know that the production of milk is not the function of the Minister for Health, but I feel that the sanitary production of it should be his function. Another point I would like to mention is the insanitary system which obtains in public-houses concerning the bottling of beer and stout and the washing of glasses. I will not go into any details as I hope the majority of us are sufficiently well acquainted with the careless way in which these things are done, but I feel that we will never reach perfection in this regard until the bottling of these commodities is done centrally for certain areas and responsibility removed from the proprietors of the various licensed houses. With regard to these matters generally I feel that lectures in hygiene, personal and otherwise, should be instituted throughout the country either in the schools for senior children or arranged independently for adults. I think that the people are badly in need of such information and I feel from my past experience that they appreciate those lectures.

I was glad to hear that the mortality rate in tuberculosis was an improvement. I would like to feel, however, that the lowering of the mortality rate was due to a lowering in the instance of the disease. From my experience in my county, on the district particularly. I am afraid this is not the case. I think the instance of tuberculosis in my area is as grave as it has always been since I came there. I would like to ask the Minister what he proposes to do in connection with the lack of accommodation in County Monaghan Sanatorium, the new sanatorium. It is quite inadequate, in my opinion, for the needs of the county without our having to devote 30 beds, I think it is, to the use of patients from County Louth. It seems incredible that a county like Louth cannot provide itself with a sanatorium. It certainly should not be because of lack of funds and I really think this is a serious matter. Perhaps the Minister already has it under consideration. I know I have had complaints only a couple of days ago from the county hospital in Monaghan, which also is very much curtailed from the point of view of beds, that they are cluttered up with patients who are awaiting entry into the sanatorium and this is a condition of affairs which should not exist. I am glad to hear from the Minister of his contemplated use of St. Kevin's Hospital as a post-graduate school for local government medical officers. I would be glad to think that a section devoted to the early diagnosis of tuberculosis might be incorporated in the scheme because, in my opinion, therein lies one of the most valuable aids to the eradication of the disease. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Minister for his amendment of Section 44 of the Infectious Diseases Regulations which permits now a female, even though she is a relative, to attend and receive remuneration for looking after the children of a mother who is under treatment in a sanatorium. It would be appreciated by everybody that in such cases where the services of a female are needed for children of a mother in a sanatorium the most ideal person would be a relative if possible.

I mentioned to the Minister the last time that I was hoping he would take steps soon to transform Clones Fever Hospital into some type of district hospital, which is very badly needed in the district, if for no other reason than to relieve the congestion in the county hospital in Monaghan. At the present time, and in fact for some years, I have been using that hospital as other than a fever hospital. I have had no cases of diphtheria for two years, I am glad to say, with the result that I find myself in the position that I can utilise the hospital for other cases which, had I not the use of beds in the hospital, would have to be sent to the county hospital. I would impress, therefore, upon the Minister the matter of Clones Fever Hospital and the other two fever hospitals and ask him to utilise the space and the buildings for anything which he thinks might be useful of helpful to relieve the congestion in either the sanatorium or the county hospital. I need hardly say to him, of course, as he would probably agree with me, that they would be used mainly for maternity cases, as mothers nowadays are anxious to go, or at least have not an objection to going into hospitals for those occasions as they formerly had.

Another matter which I mentioned last year in connection with the dispensary system generally was the question of the examination of samples of medicine which, in accordance with the regulations, are supposed to be sent for examination following the receipt of a consignment of drugs. I would like the Minister at some time to go into the cost to the country generally of the examination of those samples, and he would see, I am sure, that my suggestion of last year would probably save quite a lot of money. It was that a central analyst be appointed to visit the purveyors and suppliers of drugs periodically and when he finds a consignment of drugs en route for a dispensary to take a sample of them and analyse them. It would save trouble to doctors and expense to the State.

The eradication of diphtheria, in my opinion—I am referring to my own district—has been due to the fact that immunisation clinics were held throughout the district in schools and dispensary buildings. A new system has cropped up now whereby the county medical officer sends a notice out to the parents of children in certain age groups to bring their children to the clinic for immunisation against diphtheria. I am afraid that the Minister is going to find that system a failure because the parents will pay no more heed to it than they do to the notices concerning vaccination. I think that, having eradicated diphtheria, every step should be taken to prevent its recurrence.

I do not think that the Minister will be able to keep track of the actual number of children being immunised in this manner, because a number of the children will go to their private family doctor, as they are entitled to do, and with one thing and another, I feel the new system is not going to be as successful as the former one. I assure the Minister that I am not looking for work in connection with the matter, but I feel that this is not a system that will be successful.

There is another matter to which I want to draw the attention of the Minister and that is the anomaly that exists in the committing of mental cases. Under the present system the dispensary doctor must certify a patient for committal to a mental hospital. A case occurred quite recently where a patient undergoing treatment for a brain tumour in the county hospital in Monaghan had to be transferred to the mental hospital and I had to travel a distance of 12 miles to bring along the county medical officer to commit this patient.

A further case occurred last week where a girl, who entered as a voluntary patient into the mental hospital in Monaghan, had eventually to be certified and her people were compelled to bring their dispensary medical officer a distance of 60 miles in order to certify that patient. I feel there is something radically wrong with that system which certainly calls for amendment. I cannot see why any doctor is not in a position to certify any patient if, of course, the patient is insane.

Some time ago I asked the Minister a question concerning medical officers who, under the provisions of the Local Government Officers Age Limit Order, 1946, are compelled to retire at 65. Admittedly the Minister pointed out at the time that these men were appointed without any conditions such as those attaching to other appointments. The jobs which they undertook were of a specialised nature requiring certain unusual qualifications and these men had reached a certain age before they could qualify for the appointments. The result was that having been forced by this Order to retire at 65 they were not in a position to complete the requisite number of years to derive the maximum pension. At the time the Minister pointed out that a certain number of years could be added in order to bring up their pension status but my case is that, apart altogether from this grievance, I consider that this arrangement is a breach of contract between the Department and the medical officers. When one remembers that, when the regulations were made compelling women teachers to retire on marriage, provision was made so that the regulations would not apply to those who had married prior to the introduction of the new regulations, then I consider that these medical officers have a reasonable grouse.

I am glad to see that the Minister mentioned the question of nurses generally and their welfare. I would like to inform him, however, that nurses in some private homes—some of them reputable homes—are being exploited in this country. I had to bring this matter to his notice some time ago and I would like to think that he will continue to keep the situation in mind and zealously guard the interests of these nurses. Their periods of duty are in many cases intolerable. These people are giving a great service to the community and for that reason I would be anxious that any grievances they have would be rectified at the earliest possible moment.

Mr. A. Byrne

I wish to join in the tributes paid to the Minister for the success of his Department and to congratulate him on his accomplishments during the year. In the course of his statement he made reference to hospital buildings and a particularly big programme and then went on to discuss tuberculosis. In discussing tuberculosis he made reference to the fact that when people are cured an essential to keeping them cured was good housing, but after that he sheered away from the subject and went on to discuss other things. He had stated that good housing was good medicine for tuberculosis patients. He has £10,000,000 in the Hospital Fund and if he believes in the theory that good housing is an essential in the cure of tuberculosis surely some of that money should be allocated for the building of houses suited for tuberculosis cases.

Notice taken that 20 Deputies were not present; House counted and 20 Deputies being present.

Before the Deputy resumes, might I point out that the Minister would require legislation to do what the Deputy was suggesting?

Mr. A. Byrne

I shall get away from the point. I only referred to the matter because the Minister, in his opening statement, mentioned that he considered——

There are only three Fianna Fáil Deputies present now.

It is your privilege.

Mr. A. Byrne

The fact that they are not here to make an attack on the Minister is a tribute to Dr. Browne that they have confidence in his work. We all feel that the fact that there is nobody here to attack his report is a compliment that he has well deserved. I shall get away from the subject of housing. The only reason why I mentioned it was because the Minister, in his opening statement, mentioned proper housing conditions as a good follow-up for patients coming from sanatoria. Only last week I came across the case of a young married woman who had been one and a half years in Rialto Hospital. It cost the rates £400 in one and a half years to improve that young woman's health. When she came out of the sanatorium as a perfect cure she was sent back to a small miserable single room in a two-roomed cottage where, in the next room, there was also a tuberculosis case with two children with tuberculosis. Fancy that number of tuberculosis cases in two small rooms. I hope that some day the Minister will be able to see his way to ask the House to recommend that legislation be passed so that hospital funds will be used for the building of houses for such people. At the moment the Corporation of Dublin have 30,000 people on the waiting list and amongst those on that waiting list are at least 1,000 tuberculosis cases.

We wish to congratulate the Minister also in regard to the fall in the death rate. He is satisfied that the improvement will continue. In that connection may I say that one should pay tribute to the Infant Aid Society and to those connected with child welfare and the schools meals scheme whereby milk in very large quantities is made available for children in need of same and those people are anxious to provide more if there should be a demand? I am not quite clear about what the Minister said in his statement in regard to the death rate in tuberculosis and cancer. I would ask him to give us a little more information on what his Department is doing or is going to do so far as cancer research is concerned. Are we in Dublin to be told, or are we being told that the death rate in cancer now equals the death rate in tuberculosis— or are they so close to one another? We do not talk as much about the death rate in cancer as we talk about the death rate in tuberculosis but, because we do not talk about it, that does not mean that we are not to think about it and to do everything possible to get a campaign going that will eventually succeed in creating improvements in the cancer position in the same way as the Minister for Public Health has referred to improvements and the equipment necessary to ease the tuberculosis position. The House ought to devote more attention now to the problem of cancer and to its remedy. I would stop at nothing whilst there is £10,000,000 in the Hospitals' Trust Fund lying there waiting to be used in the interests of the public. I would go to the ends of the earth to get information and to indulge in research in so far as cancer is concerned in the hope that some day we will be able to find a remedy for it.

I am interested, too, in the treatment of epileptic cases. I have in mind a report which I read a short while ago in that connection and, indeed, only a few days ago I saw a workman in one of the main streets in the centre of the City of Dublin carrying a boy of about 16 years of age, a sufferer from these fits. I understand that there are remedies for those fits and, if there are not, there should be research to try to find remedies for them.

I do not say that there is neglect, but there are a number of cases in all parts of Ireland that are not getting the attention they should get. One of the Deputies referred to mental defectives. What about those who are only slightly mentally defective? What about the young person who is referred to at school as a "backward child"? We sometimes see a fine boy or a nice little girl of about ten years of age stepping aside from the rest of the children with a little blank look on his or her face. On inquiry we are told that those children are backward children. Something should be done to see that the backward child is not allowed to drift into becoming a mentally defective child. I believe that the Minister has all these things at heart and that he is determined to make a success of his job. That is the reason why I bring these points to his notice.

I was in a hospital recently and I heard a very eminent lady in the medical profession give the Minister a title—"go-getter Browne". She said he was a real go-getter, and that he is determined to do things. I hope that title will stick to him. It is a title which, I think, anyone of us would like to have. She said he was a go-getter and that if things were a bit slow that it was not his fault.

I heard Deputy Derrig to-night first giving slight praise and then telling the Minister that, in respect of most of the things which he is doing now, the foundations were already laid. That may be so and, even if it is so, it is a good thing that we had a go-getter there to resurrect them and to take, as it were, out of the pigeon holes the plans that were in them.

May I again stress what I said about the mentally defective child? I know that mental defectives are being dealt with, but my anxiety is that the mentally defective child will not be brushed aside. There are such children to be found in every town in Ireland and nobody will pay attention to them. As in the case of sightless children, the parents do not want to part with them until it is too late. If we could encourage the parents of these children to send them to some place where they would be properly looked after it would be much better. However, the trouble is that, as yet, no such place has been provided for them—and that is my reason for mentioning such children. I have met some of the mothers. They have asked me, when the child was beginning to get out of hand, about the matter. Yet, because the children were not a certain age, or because there was not a declaration from some doctor, or because the children were not declared as mental— just because they were backward—they were brushed aside. I implore the Minister to do something about that matter. Again, I congratulate him on the success of his work.

I know, A Leas-Chinn Chomhairle, that you do not like to hear the word "finally" because you think that something is coming which will last for ten minutes and that there will be another final declaration but, in conclusion, I should like to say just one more thing. Does the Minister know that it is as hard to get a patient into a hospital in Dublin to-day as it was five years ago? People are coming to me every other day, and I am sure to other Dublin Deputies, asking us how they can get a bed for a patient in a Dublin hospital.

The Dublin dwellers have a dread of going to one of the best hospital institutions that we have in the country. It was formerly the Dublin Union Hospital and is now known as St. Kevin's Hospital. It is one of the best-equipped hospitals we have, and the patients who go there get the best medical and nursing attention that it is possible to get. In spite of all that, Dublin people will not go there. They would not go even if the entrance gates were made of gold. They feel that it still has the touch about it that it was the Dublin Union Hospital 25 years ago. As a Dublin citizen myself I sympathise with them, but they come to me and say: "Oh, Mr. Byrne, is the only place for us the Dublin Union Hospital?" I am sorry for them. I suggest to the Minister that he ought to go ahead and do something to provide a good hospital for Dublin, with plenty of beds, at the earliest possible moment. If he does, I am satisfied that he will have the prayers and good wishes of all those who are seeking his help.

I do not intend to go into the tuberculosis question. I know that I have been a bit of a nuisance to the Minister and to his predecessor in pleading with them for beds for tuberculous patients. In the last few months, I have not got any complaints, and, therefore, I am not going to manufacture any. I understand there has been an easement of the position so far as beds for tuberculous cases are concerned. I will say this that it is very hard to get a tuberculous child into any hospital or sanatorium. Parents have to wait for months and months before they can get a child into one. If the Minister can do anything to improve bed accommodation in our sanatoria which deal with cases of tuberculous children, I hope he will do it quickly and so relieve the minds of the parents of those children.

On a point of order, I want a count of the House.

After carefully instructing your own members to go out.

And not more than three Fianna Fáil members present to listen to Deputy Burke.

He wants a bit of cheap notoriety.

Notice taken that 20 Deputies were not present; House counted and 20 Deputies being present,

The position is, as stated by the last speaker, that there is a shortage of bed accommodation in the Dublin hospitals. That has been the position over the last number of years. Perhaps one of the reasons for it is that people are, so to speak, more hospital-minded now. They are more anxious to get hospital treatment for their ailments than they were some years ago.

I want to call the attention of the Chair to the activities of Deputy Corry in twice calling for a count of the House within a short period and then immediately walking out himself. I think I am entitled to protest against that kind of vexatious activity in the House.

The Chair has no power to rule on Deputies' activities.

He has it on record now that he is doing this for the sake of mischief.

We all have had the experience of trying to get people into city hospitals. Even doctors find a difficulty in getting hospital accommodation for their patients. The shortage of bed accommodation is certainly acute. This is a problem which the Minister or some future Minister will have to take up seriously. There is an urgent necessity for a large central hospital in Dublin to relieve the position as we know it to-day. I was rather disappointed with the Minister's presentation of his Estimate to the House. I agree, of course, that he went into a lot of detail, but he never said anything about the health of the poor Deputies or that he would look after them in any way. However, we will leave that for another day.

I suggest to the Minister that, in the case of doctors who specialise in the treatment of certain diseases, he should provide every opportunity for them to develop their talents and so help to relieve suffering humanity. While I agree that the Minister has set up a number of consultative bodies to deal with various types of diseases, I still hold that he has not gone far enough in that direction. I have in mind a number of doctors in Dublin and throughout the country who specialise in the treatment of disease. In their case, I should like to see the resources of the State utilised to provide them with laboratories and other means to carry on their great work. I know an eminent Dublin surgeon who, at the moment, is spending a lot of his own money in carrying out research work. The State should take cognisance of work of that character and assist men of that type. There are other aspects of that question that I hope to deal with when we resume the debate on Tuesday. I move to report progress.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
The Dáil adjourned at 10.30 p.m. to 3 p.m on Tuesday, 5th July, 1949.
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