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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 10 Nov 1949

Vol. 118 No. 6

Army Pensions (Increase) Bill, 1949—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. I think I can really be brief in my statement regarding this measure. As Deputies will remember, before we adjourned for the Recess in July there were certain moneys voted to increase the pensions of various classes of people who were drawing pensions from the State. There was token Supplementary Vote introduced by the Minister for Finance with reference to certain classes of pensioners and there was a sister token Vote introduced by myself dealing with pensioners under the Department of Defence who had a pension by reason of a wound or other disability.

At that particular time it was indicated to Deputies that, in dealing with pensions for wounds and disabilities, it would be impossible to follow the simple mathematical process that was applied to other pensions, namely, the lower the pension the greater the increase and the bigger the pension the smaller the percentage of increase. That was for this reason, that when dealing with wounds and disabilities the smaller pension represented the smaller degree of disability and, with the smaller degree of disability, you have a greater earning potential. Many of the people on a very low degree of disability are earning, and are capable of earning, full wages as workers in trades or in other walks of life. When you go higher up on the degree of disability you find, of course, the greater degree of physical defect and the less potential there is of earning a livelihood. For that reason there was not the ordinary simple mathematical process of increase that applied elsewhere.

There was another complicating factor in dealing with these types of pensions and that was the multiciplicity of different Acts that gave different rates of pension for similar degrees of disability. That arose out of the period when a particular Act was passed. You had situations where, say, if a man lost his leg he had a pension of X shillings a week. If another man lost a leg a few years later he had a pension of twice X shillings a week. We had to try with the money available to equate things so far as could be done and to try to measure up equal pensions for equal disabilities where the ranks were equal.

I think I might only make more difficult a rather involved Bill if I tried further to explain it verbally, but all these various Acts are down there to be read.

I should like to draw the Minister's attention to the cases of persons with artificial limbs, people who lost a leg or arm as a result of wounds. Complaints have been made to me that there is grave delay occasioned in getting the artificial limb repaired or in getting a new limb. That is not right. I was wondering why there has not been some experiment tried by way, for instance, of producing plastic limbs. It may not be easy to get the material, but I suggest that something should be done to facilitate the people for whom I am speaking. I think everything possible should be done for them.

The matter I am about to mention may not be altogether related to this measure but, nevertheless, it is rather important. I have in mind people in receipt of pensions. Suppose a man has a wife and children and that man dies. There is no provision so far as I know for the widow and her children. I have been in touch with the Department of Defence in order to see if any way could be found out of that difficulty. It appears that under our legislation no provision is made for that type of case and no relief can be given to any widow or children no matter how deserving their cases may be. I wonder, if the Minister could not do anything under this measure, he will consider that aspect at a later stage and endeavour to do something for that type of case?

With regard to the supply of artificial limbs, what Deputy Beegan has said is quite correct. Of course, it is one outcome of the world war, when so many people all over the world lost their limbs, and all the big factories are turning out limbs and supplying them where the demand is greatest. A fair number of cases have come directly to my own knowledge of people whose limbs are worn out. The medical profession and the hospitals are concerned with that and they are just doing their best to get limbs. All I can assure the Deputy is that there will not be a moment's delay; the very minute we can procure them from any part of the world, we will get them.

On the question raised by Deputy Flynn, all this Bill is doing is to increase existing pensions—nothing else. That is the only thing we are doing here. The point made by the Deputy is one that will be looked into, but this is not the Bill that could deal with that aspect.

Question agreed to.

Committee Stage fixed for Wednesday, 16th November.

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