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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 6 Jul 1950

Vol. 122 No. 5

Committee on Finance. - Turf Development Bill, 1949—Second and Subsequent Stages.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. The objects of the Bill are: (i) To provide for the increased cost of carrying out the programme of development which Bord na Móna was authorised to undertake by the Turf Development Act, 1946; (ii) to authorise Bord na Móna to proceed with a second development programme to increase the annual production to 2,000,000 tons; (iii) to make provision for housing accommodation for the board's workers; (iv) to provide for an increase from £120,000 to £250,000 in the grants for the board's experimental station.

The estimated cost of the programme authorised by the Turf Development Act, 1946, was £3,750,000. When compiling the Estimate it was assumed that costs of material would be 50 per cent. higher than pre-war and for wages costs the levels of 1943-44 were assumed. The increase in material costs has been much higher than that assumed in the Estimate, while wages have increased considerably over the 1943-44 levels. In addition, experience has shown that the plans drawn up in 1946 required revision in certain minor respects. A revised Estimate has now been made which shows that the cost of the first programme will amount to £5,520,000, an increase over the original Estimate of £1,770,000. The first programme of development for which a total of £5,520,000 is required provides for an annual output of approximately 1,000,000 tons of machine turf, 20,000 tons of briquettes and 50,000 bales of peat moss.

The House will appreciate that the development of a bog to the point of full mechanised production is necessarily a lengthy process. Moreover, up to recently, the industrial after-effects of the last war rendered it difficult for the board to obtain delivery of the specialised machines for which it was the only customer. These machines had to be specially designed and developed by the board and during the post-war period a certain difficulty was experienced in securing suitable firms to undertake their manufacture. It will also be understood that progress in the early stages of a pioneer project such as this is necessarily slow; once a certain stage is reached, however, the rate of progress tends to accelerate progressively. That critical stage has now been reached in the first development programme and output is expected to expand rapidly on the bogs covered by that programme.

For the reasons which I have given it may not be possible to complete the first programme in the case of every bog within the period of five years which was contemplated, but the preparation in the case of all the bogs is generally well advanced and some of the bogs are actually in production. Production is in progress at Clonsast, Derryounce, Glenties, Barna, Timahoe South, Turraun, Lyrecrumpane, Blackriver, Ballydermot and Glashabaun. Briquettes are being produced at Lullymore and peat moss at Kilberry. Other bogs would be in production by now were it not for difficulties in regard to the delivery of turf-cutting machinery. The drainage of the remainder of the bogs included in the board's programme is proceeding.

Deputies will be aware that at Portarlington the turf-fired electricity generating station is in production. The station which went into partial production in January, 1950, is designed for two generating sets of 12,500 k.w. each, and is expected to be working to full capacity before the end of the year. This station will have a consumption of 120,000 tons of turf per annum which is the total estimated annual output from the Clonsast bogs and will be capable of producing 90,000,000 units of electricity per annum. I may inform the House that the performance of the station since it went into commission has been highly satisfactory. The turf from the Timahoe bogs (County Kildare) will supply the generating station under construction at Allenwood. The Timahoe North bog will provide 60,000 tons per annum and it is hoped to have the first generating set in commission by the winter of 1951. The Timahoe South bog will provide 120,000 tons per annum and when the second generating set is installed, probably by the summer of 1952, the total generating capacity will be approximately 130,000,000 units per annum. The bulk of the estimated annual output of 180,000 tons at Boora, which is the largest bog in the board's first programme, is intended for consumption in a further electricity generating station which it is hoped will be put into commission in 1954. It is expected that production of turf on Boora bog will commence in 1951 and any turf produced will be stockpiled if it is not disposed of commercially.

In regard to Lullymore, where the present target is 20,000 tons of briquettes per annum, the limiting factor in output has been the availability of milled peat. Additional bog machines, ordered some time ago, have now been delivered and will ensure that, even in unfavourable weather, a sufficient quantity of milled peat can be harvested, for the production of 20,000 tons of briquettes per annum; it is hoped that this will be increased within a reasonable time to 30,000 tons. The output of milled peat in 1949 constituted a record for the works. I may mention that a bridge has been erected over the Grand Canal in order to provide direct access to the factory from the public road.

The production of peat most at the Kilberry factory commenced during 1947. The output of the factory has increased from 24,130 bales in the year ended 31st March, 1940, to 85,616 in the year ended 31st March, 1950. In the year 1949, peat moss was an important export to the United States, when over £22,000 worth of this product was shipped to that country. Substantial quantites are also being exported to Great Britain and the Channel Islands. Intensive efforts are being made to increase exports, especially to dollar areas.

The board has experienced a shortage of labour at many of the bogs, despite all efforts to recruit the required number of men. In its recruitment campaign last year the board maintained a close liaison with the Department of Social Welfare; Press and radio publicity was carried out; ex-employees to the number of 2,500 were offered reemployment by way of circular issued to their home address; free travel vouchers were issued to all applicants for employment on bogs to which hostels were attached; and at some of the works long-distance lorry transport was used to bring the men to work from as far distant as 20 miles. This year the board made a particularly thorough and determined effort to recruit adequate labour. Nevertheless, there remain to-day as many as 1,000 unfilled jobs in the board. I should like to make it clear to the House that a labour deficiency of such dimensions, if it contiuues, will seriously delay the development and production programme of the board.

The second development programme approved by the Government contemplates the production of an additional 1,000,000 tons of machine turf per annum in ten years from its inception, or earlier if this can be achieved. The full capital cost of the second development programme is estimated at £7,000,000, but it is proposed to provide in this Bill only for the cost of the preliminary work of drainage and preparation of the bogs. This work, which is estimated to cost £2,750,000, will be spread over a period of seven years. The second programme will include the development of bogs in the Counties of Offaly, Westmeath, Meath, Galway, Tipperary, Laoighis and Mayo.

It is not possible at this stage to indicate exactly how the board's entire output will be disposed of; markets are being built up as output becomes available but a preliminary survey which the board has made indicates that an annual output of 2,000,000 tons (1,000,000 from the first programme and 1,000,000 from the second) will be disposed of in the following manner: electricity generating stations, 900,000 tons; local markets, 900,000 tons; cities, 200,000 tons.

Apart from the important contribution towards the production of native fuel which the board's programme will provide, an equally important contribution towards the national welfare will be the additional employment represented by these schemes. It is expected that employment will be available at peak in 1951-52 for 8,000 men gradually rising to 12,800 by 1959-60 on the assumption that the second programme will be in full production by then.

In submitting its post-war plans to the Government some years ago the board emphasised the necessity for providing houses for workers, and efforts were made to have this problem solved by the erection of labourers' cottages by county councils. For a variety of reasons it was not found practicable to have labourers' cottages built for the board by county councils and the board resolved to tackle the problem itself. The number of cottages which it is proposed to erect is about 1,100 and the cost of the scheme is estimated at about £1,318,000. No decision has yet been taken as to whether the work will be by tender or by direct labour. It is proposed that the outlay shall be defrayed partly by grants and partly by repayable advances. Free grants equal to those made to rural housing authorities will be provided out of voted moneys and repayable advances from the Central Fund. Provision is made accordingly in Section 6 of the Bill. Free grants from the Transition Development Fund similar to those made to housing authorities will also be given. Provision for this purpose did not need to be made in the Bill since the power to make grants from that fund already exists under Section 30 of the Finance Act, 1946.

The board consulted a planning expert to advise on the housing scheme and as a result of his advice it has now been decided to group the cottages on a village basis instead of dispersing them along the roadside as originally contemplated. The board came to the conclusion that houses grouped in villages should be provided with water and sewerage and it is unlikely in any event that the public health authorities would look with favour on the creation of villages in which houses did not possess these amenities. It is, accordingly, proposed that the houses should be provided with water and sewerage. The rents to be charged, plus the board's contribution, will be applied in the payment of interest and repayment of the capital provided by the repayable advances.

The Bill also provides for an increase in the amount of the free grant towards experimental and research work by the board. Under the Act of 1946 an experimental station was set up by the board at Droichead Nua and has been in operation for over three years. The sum provided in that Act, viz., £120,000, has proved insufficient and it is proposed that it should be increased to £250,000. Deputies will agree that it is essential that the board should be encouraged to develop new methods as well as cheaper and more efficient means of producing turf and turf products; they will also appreciate that this cannot properly be accomplished unless the various problems involved are studied on a scientific basis.

A substantial proportion of the expenditure on the experimental station to date has been incurred on designing and testing machines, appliances and methods for increasing the degree of mechanisation in the board's operations. Such outlay, in my opinion, is money well and wisely spent, for I feel that the success of Bord na Móna will be measured by the extent to which it can mechanise the operations of turf winning. Mechanisation will increase productivity per man, reduce the cost of turf and remove much of the drudgery traditionally associated with turf production.

A brief review of the progress achieved to date with mechanisation may be of interest to members of the House. Starting with the drainage of virgin bog it has been demonstrated that first cuts to a depth of three feet can be quickly and successfully carried out in most areas by a Disc Ditcher, or more cheaply and expeditiously by a new type of machine known as a trencher. The problem of mechanising the first cuts, which are the most difficult, has, in fact, been solved in a very satisfactory manner and the savings resulting from the use of these machines will be of great importance in the board's economies. The suitability of other machines for this purpose and for deeper cuts is being examined by the board's experimental station. A machine for stripping the top layer of light turf from the bog prior to cutting has been designed and will shortly be in commission. Another machine for levelling the surface of the spread grounds has been designed and is now in use. Dragline excavators have been used on a large scale for heavy work on the outfalls to the bogs. The operation of cutting and spreading the turf has been completely mechanised. Up to the present the turf has been footed by hand and the footings have been loaded manually into sod collectors which rick them mechanically. The experimental station has designed a machine which, if successful, will eliminate manual labour on footing to a great extent. It is too soon yet to be optimistic as to the performance of this machine, but it is clear that, until some method of overcoming the difficulty of footing turf by hand has been devised, it will be the greatest labour problem facing the board. At present the turf is loaded by hand from the ricks into the light railway wagons, but loading machines are on order which will carry out this operation at the larger bogs. One of these machines is now in use in Clonsast. The turf is transported by light railway from the ricks to the loading point, and loaded on purchasers' vehicles by elevator or tipper in a manner which entails little manual work. The movement of the light rail track from one portion of a bog to another at present involves considerable manual work, but a machine devised for the purpose of eliminating much of this labour is about to be tested.

In addition to its activities designed to further mechanisation, the experimental station has undertaken a considerable amount of other useful work. It has completed an investigation into the production of waxes from peat, work which was initiated by Professor Reilly, University College, Cork. The Department is endeavouring to interest private initiative in the manufacture of these waxes, as a considerable market appears to exist for them. An experiment has been completed in the production of hydro-peat at Drumaru Bog, County Kildare, the object of which was to determine if high bog could be utilised for spreading and drying. A large-scale experiment in the production of hydro-peat is in progress this year at Derrylea Bog. The hydro-peat process is largely used on the continent and is of particular advantage in bogs with a high timber content which renders the operation of the normal turfcutting machine difficult and expensive. Small-scale experiments have been undertaken with the afforestation of high bog and cut-away and the agricultural reclamation of cut-away bog. The application of a statistical method to the variables in turf, to enable the average moisture content of air-dried sods to be measured, was made the subject of special study. Members of the staff have undergone special training in the testing of domestic cooking and heating appliances, and the estimation of the efficiency of such appliances for use with turf will be a special feature of the station's work. Structural alterations have been carried out to the existing building in the old military barracks, to provide suitable accommodation for the staff.

It is the intention that the station should continue the work for which it is maintained. It is expected that its activities will be concerned with many problems, but the energies of its personnel will be specially directed towards greater mechanisation and the cheapening of the cost of turf. The testing of domestic heating and cooking appliances for turf burning will be continued. Research will be undertaken into the possibility of commercially exploiting turf or the by-products of turf as a raw material for industry, e.g., insulating board. Inquiries will be continued into the utilisation of peat moss for agricultural, horticultural and industrial purposes. Fundamental research bearing on the production and use of turf and turf products will be undertaken.

Contact has been established and will be maintained with agencies abroad engaged on work of a similar nature, so that by a constant exchange of information and ideas this country may benefit from new inventions and developments. In this connection it is relevant to mention an important development with which the board has been associated and which, if successful, is likely to have important repercussions on the turf industry. Investigations are proceeding in Great Britain, under the auspices of the Ministry of Fuel and Power, for the development of gas turbines using peat of very high moisture content, and if these are successful a source of very cheap power from turf will be readily available.

It is also relevant to refer to the possibilities of milled peat as a source of power, especially for electricity generation. Milled peat is the material from which briquettes are manufac tured at the board's Lullymore factory. The material is air dried on the bog to 55 per cent. moisture before being brought to the factory where, for the purpose of briquetting, it is artifically dried to 10 or 15 per cent. moisture. It now appears to be well established that the air dried material at 55 per cent. moisture can be effectively used as pulverised fuel without any pre-drying for firing boilers. The board is in communication with the Electricity Supply Board on this and all other subjects connected with the generation of electricity from turf.

In conclusion, I wish to pay a tribute to the members of Board na Móna, as well as to its staff, for the progress achieved to date. In doing so, I would point out that the board did not inherit, as it were, a ready-made undertaking, operating a known and defined technique. On the contrary, the production of turf by mechanical methods on a large scale had to be devised by the board, which had not the advantage of the experience of others. The successful development of our large turf deposits on an economic basis depends upon the exercise of a high degree of ingenuity and skill. It is gratifying, too, that the preliminary operations have not resulted in a financial loss. The proven capacity of Bord na Móna in the field, and the soundness of its organisation, outdoor and indoor, give every ground for believing that the board's future, both productively and financially, is assured.

I do not know whether I should begin by criticising the Minister for his delay in proceeding with this Bill or by expressing satisfaction that he has done it at last.

It is all the better for the delay.

I do not know about that. I do not think there has been any change because of the delay. It is perhaps a fitting footnote to the arrangement made here to-day, to complete the business of the Dáil by next Friday, to refer to the fact that we are now hastily discussing a Bill, in the congested circumstances of this period, that was ordered by the Dáil to be printed on 19th July, 1949. However, here we have the Bill. As I mentioned on many occasions since it was introduced, it is an unopposed measure, one we are anxious to have enacted by the Dáil, in the belief that its enactment is necessary to enable Bord na Móna to proceed with the plans for the extension of its activities which were deemed practicable and approved some years ago. Any proposal which the Minister brings here, which appears designed to extend the scope of the board's activities and which is practicable to that end, will be supported by Deputies on this side of the House. We regard our bogs as one of the nation's most important sources of wealth and employment.

Admittedly, there are still technical and scientific problems to be solved in the development of our peat bogs both for the production of solid fuel and other industrial materials. What the potentialities of the bogs in relation to other industrial materials may be is still a very questionable matter. It is a source of considerable disappointment that the very favourable report on the production of montaigne wax from peat, which was prepared as a result of the investigations carried out by Professor Reilly of Cork and published ten years ago, has not yet attracted from commercial interests the attention that it deserves.

However, the circumstances during those ten years were perhaps abnormal and it may be that, nowadays, commercial interests may have their attention attracted to that report with more prospect of their acting upon it than existed during that ten-year period. The main interest we have at the moment in the plans of Bord na Móna concerns the production of solid fuel and we regard those plans as of such tremendous importance to the country that almost any effort to complete them or any expenditure that may be involved in them is justified.

There are immediate problems, however, and I do not know that the Minister dealt sufficiently with them. The problems of utilising the peat resources of this country for fuel production come under three heads: (1) economical and efficient methods of production; (2) economical and efficient methods of transportation; (3) provision of a market. So far as production is concerned, the job is very largely done. If the new sod collector and footing machines prove to be as satisfactory as the officials of Bord na Móna hope, then the task is finished. No mechanical task is ever completely finished but, in so far as the main work was to mechanise all the processes of production, that will be done and the officers and technicians of the board can concentrate their attention upon the improvement of those devices. Not nearly the same progress has been made in regard to the methods of transporting turf. The problem of providing turf as a satisfactory and cheap fuel in areas away from the bog has been always mainly a matter of devising suitable transport arrangements. The State has spent a great deal of money trying to solve that problem.

Under the original Turf Development Act, which was passed before Bord na Móna was set up, under which production through the means of co-operative societies was the main aim, substantial investment upon various methods of solving the problem of transportation was made, but not with success. No doubt the Board has made some progress, but in so far as turf is a fuel which deteriorates with very much handling and, unlike coal, absorbs moisture from the atmosphere, it is obvious that there exists in the matter of its transportation a problem of some difficulty.

In that connection I am anxious to find out from the Minister to what extent the board contemplate dealing in turf fuel as a retailer, in so far as they will have, from their total estimated production of 2,000,000 tons, turf for sale to persons other than the Electricity Supply Board or large-scale industrial users. One of the most acute difficulties in dealing with the problem of distributing turf during the war years arose from the decision which was taken at the beginning of the emergency, a decision which was generally approved by the Dáil, to leave the handling of turf and its retail distribution to consumers entirely to persons who were before the war in business as fuel merchants. That decision was based on the desire to cause the least dislocation of employment or of trade. In fact, a very large number of the fuel merchants were not interested at all in turf. Some of them were hostile to it; none of them regarded it as a fuel with a future or were willing to incur any substantial capital expenditure on apparatus for its storage or its handling.

I do not know whether it is the board's intention to deal direct with individual consumers of comparatively small quantities or whether they intend to market turf for domestic purposes through fuel merchants. But if they do propose to use the fuel merchants, I think the Minister will have to take certain powers to insist that these merchants locate their yards and equip them so as to eliminate unnecessary cost in that end of the business in order to ensure that the addition to the board's price which the merchant must make in order to recover his expenditure and his profit will not be unduly large.

The bulk of the turf which will be produced through Bord na Móna schemes will, of course, be sold, I expect, for power production or industrial purposes. I hope that the successful operation of the Portarlington station has convinced the Minister and the Electricity Supply Board that there is no justification whatever for the establishment in this country in future ever of a steam-generating station using any type of fuel other than turf. I do not know if it is possible to have the decision to build a rather large coal burning station in Dublin reversed. If it is possible, I hope it will be reversed.

I was pleased to note from the figures given by the Minister that it is contemplated that the programme for the erection of turf-burning stations will ultimately go beyond the stations already planned for Portarlington, Allenwood and Boora, because he told us that, of the 2,000,000 tons, it is assumed that 900,000 tons will go to electricity stations, and these three stations will only require about 500,000 tons. From the point of view of the Electricity Supply Board there may be some slight administrative problem in that regard. But I feel certain that it is one than can be overcome, given goodwill on their part.

If the operation of the Portarlington station continues to be as satisfactory as it has been to date, then we can regard that as another battle won, which will not have to be fought again, and get it generally accepted, not merely in the Dáil but by everybody concerned with electricity development, that steam stations additional to the existing generating stations can be entirely fuelled by turf. I think also that we can make it a national policy, accepted here by all Parties, and therefore unlikely to be changed when changes of Government take place, that where it can be shown that any industry can be operated economically utilising turf fuel, subject to the installation of proper equipment, that the granting or continuance of State assistance in any form, whether by tariff, subsidy or any form whatever, will be conditional on their utilising turf only.

Many industries located in bog areas are, I know, using turf, and using turf because they find it the most satisfactory and economical fuel, but some are not, and in their case, I think the reason they are not doing so is because associated with the use of turf there are certain storage difficulties or because they have installed boilers and equipment in which turf cannot be economically used. I know that Bord na Móna had in contemplation the provision of services for such industries under which they would be advised as to the methods by which their existing equipment could be altered so as to facilitate the consumption of turf and, even in some cases, the possibility of capital advances where that was necessary to enable them to do so.

One of the aspects of industrial policy upon which there is general agreement is the desire to encourage the spread of industry throughout the country. That, I think, will be facilitated if that condition is made known and if we can, through the mechanisation and organisation of turf production, make it more economical to locate certain industries in the towns adjacent to the bog areas rather than at the ports through which coal can be most cheaply imported. Furthermore, there is a great deal to be done in expanding the market for turf for domestic purposes. There is no point in blinding ourselves to the fact that in cities and towns outside the bog areas a considerable prejudice against turf was created during the emergency by the bad quality of some of the turf which reached these centres under the county councils' turf production scheme. That prejudice has, to some extent, disappeared, but not entirely, nor will it entirely disappear until the board is in a position to guarantee a standard quality for all the turf they sell. The board is very nearly in a position to do that and will be completely in a position to do it if they solve the transport problems to which I refer. That prejudice was also partly due to the fact that in the great majority of our homes the grates and ranges installed are not suitable for turf burning. They were designed to burn coal and are more efficient when burning coal.

We are now building a large number of new houses and when this debate is adjourned, we shall return to a discussion of the Housing Bill. Having regard to the importance to this country of securing the maximum development of our turf resources and the maximum employment in the bog areas, are we justified in giving State grants and other forms of State-aid to people to build houses without insisting that these houses are equipped with ranges and grates that are suitable for the burning of turf and also designed so as to provide facilities for the storage of turf? I think that if we could get this matter of turf development viewed in a proper light, we would all agree that in so far as the provision of a market is the key to it, the State is justified in going that far, not to the extent of insisting on people using it; but making State aid of any exceptional kind conditional on its recipients not acting in a manner which will discourage the use of turf. The board has, I know, done a considerable amount of research work upon the design of industrial boilers as well as of domestic ranges and grates for the burning of turf, and I think they are now in a position to give to any manufacturer of ranges designs and other information which will enable him to make available ranges which can be guaranteed to operate efficiently with turf fuel at a lower annual cost than existing ranges operate upon coal. The bulk of the market for the production of Bord na Móna is virtually guaranteed if we can successfully ensure its industrial use where coal is not essential for manufacturing processes. The balance of it can be quite readily disposed of provided there is no unnecessary barrier erected to its use by the installation in houses of equipment not suitable for it. It is still true that the bulk of the turf produced in this country and used in our households is hand-produced. In fact, the experience of the past year has shown that in many areas hand-produced turf of good quality can be marketed in competition with machine-won turf.

The board, of course, is concerned only with its own programme and has now, I understand, no responsibility for the encouragement or assistance of hand-turf producers except, perhaps, in the matter of advising other Government Departments concerning grants for bog roads, bog drainage and matters of that kind. I think, however, recognising that the bulk of the board's production, even when it has reached 2,000,000 tons, is already earmarked and that even at that stage there will be a substantial market for hand-won turf, we should consider what we can do to assist those who are engaged in its production and to encourage its use.

I have already made it clear that experience has taught us over two separate periods, one a period of peace and the other a period of war, that compulsory methods will not be beneficial if they operate to guarantee a market for all the hand-won turf produced. While a number of the individual producers and the co-operative societies strove valiantly to meet the requirements of Government aid in the past and produced only turf of a good quality, that cannot be said of all and any restoration of conditions in which the demand through Government action will exceed the supply will almost certainly result in the reappearance of low-grade turf on the market. That we do not want. Therefore, Government aid to the development of hand-won turf must be largely directed towards improving the facilities for its production as well as towards creating the conditions which will enable the good producer to get a certain market.

The conditions that will ensure that are similar to those to which I have referred as necessary to complete Bord na Móna's plans: the use of turf wherever it is practicable to use it in public institutions of local authorities, in schools and hospitals as well as for domestic purposes. In all these cases the Government can help by exercising its authority where it has it to ensure the installation of equipment which will use turf; by using its influence where it has it to the same end; perhaps by giving financial assistance where it is required to enable existing equipment to be replaced; and by general propaganda methods to convince everybody, if he needs convincing, that we have in our bogs a vast source of national wealth which, if it existed anywhere else would have been exploited long ago and which has not been exploited here only because for centuries we were under the domination of a great coal-exporting nation, and on which we must concentrate our attention because by doing so we can not only restore the balance of employment between the cities and rural areas, but check emigration from the parts of the country where it is and always has been most acute. I do not know whether I am in order in referring to hand-won turf on this Bill, but I do not think that any comment on plans for turf development would be complete without referring to it.

There is one further thing I want to say. The idea of allowing Bord na Móna to build houses for its own workers is thoroughly sound. I know that originally the board hoped to get local authorities to plan their housing schemes so as to fit in with its own schemes. Local authorities were reluctant to do so, first because the location of the board's works did not necessarily conform to the housing problems of their own areas, and secondly, because the work upon an individual bog was necessarily limited in point of time and the county councils had a natural objection to building cottages which they hoped would last and be occupied for 50 years adjacent to a works scheme that might terminate in 25.

In any event, there are advantages to the board in owning the cottages occupied by their own workers. It will enable them to provide them with certain facilities and recreational opportunities which they might not otherwise enjoy and it will help to remove what is in fact one of the main difficulties of all employers of the present time because there is practically no industry in this country capable of taking on additional workers which has not frequently been faced with the problem that it can get workers provided it can get houses for them. That must be particularly true with regard to work in the areas where the bogs which the board is developing are located. I take it, however, that only roughly half the total number that will be employed in the course of the year by the board will be permanent workers and therefore resident in those cottages and that for the workers who are employed on a seasonal basis some hostel arrangement will still be necessary. I hope, however, that the board will get, under the provisions outlined by the Minister, the same measure of financial assistance from the State as a building society or local authority would get so that they will be able, without loss to themselves, without imposing any cost on the turf produced by them, to rent these cottages to their workers at the same rate as local authorities can do.

I have no desire to delay the Bill. As far as I am concerned, the Minister can have it right away, and my only regret is that he did not ask us to give it to him long ago.

Ní gá domhsa ar son Clann na Poblachta a rá go bhfuilimíd taobh thiar den Aire maidir leis an mBille seo. Aithnímid a thábhachtaí atá sé don tír seo tionscal na móna d'fhorbairt agus é a dhéanamh i gceart. Rinneamar an beartas san soiléir roimh an toghchán agus ó shoin i leith agus mar is eol do chach bhí forbairt na móna mar bheartas againn ó bunaíodh Clann na Poblachta.

Dá bhrí sin cuirimid fáilte roimh an Bille seo agus molaimíd an tAire toisc é a bheith tugtha isteach aige fé dheireadh. Aontaím leis an Teachta Lemass go bhfuil sé thar am ag an Aire an Bille a bheith fé bhráid na Dála. Is maith an rud a chloisint ón Teachta go bhfuil a Pháirtí ag cabhrú leis an Aire. Tá fhios ag an Aire go gcabhróimid go léir leis agus mar adúirt an Teachta Lemass go bhfhuighidh sé an Bille ón Tígh seo mar dhlí gan mórán ama.

As on every occasion that I get an opportunity in this House I like to advocate greater turf production, I welcome this rather belated Bill. I cannot understand the reason why it was delayed by about 12 months since it was first introduced. Further, I cannot understand why the Minister did not make some effort to bring this Bill before the House a few months ago when encouragement would be offered to the workers to get into peat production. The Minister is aware that on a few occasions I pointed out various reasons why turf workers were not prepared to travel to very far distant bogs. Time and again, I pointed out to the Minister that certain bogs in my constituency which were being developed by Bord na Móna a few years ago had been closed down and that there was no reason why these bogs should not be reopened. We have in County Galway a very big market for turf and an effort should be made to supply that market. It was very peculiar that, in that county, where turf is used at least as extensively as in any other county, if it is not more extensively used, every one of the peat schemes we had there was stopped until pressure was brought to bear on the Minister some time ago to reopen one or two of them.

So far as turf workers are concerned, there has not been much inducement to them to continue at that work, because there has been no guarantee of employment. The Galway County Council lent gangers to Bord na Móna and these men were guaranteed fulltime employment by the county council before being handed over. They were subsequently laid off by Bord na Móna and some of them have not found employment since. Efforts have been made by some of us to get the council to re-employ them, but that is no encouragement to people to go into turf production. I am glad that this Bill may do something to remedy that state of affairs. I should like to see these workers, and these gangers particularly, getting some guarantee of employment.

I want to urge the Minister to impress on Bord na Móna the importance of reopening some of the bogs in my constituency which they closed. As I pointed out to the Minister before, he will not have to look for turf workers, if he opens up these bogs—he will find them available overnight. We had crossfire a few times here as to the type of worker who works on the bog. I do not intend to go into that now, because I made the position quite clear before, and I guarantee that the Minister will have no difficulty in finding turf workers overnight.

A greater effort should be made by the Minister to encourage hand-won turf again. Although I suppose it does not directly arise on this Bill——

Or even indirectly.

In the early stages of and prior to the emergency, we had peat societies which did an enormous amount of very valuable work, and these societies should be encouraged again, because there are institutions all over the country which were run on turf to the extent of 90 per cent. and which still can be run on turf to the same extent. I know that the tactics of the present Government have not been very helpful in the matter of encouraging them to resume their activities, but there would not be much difficulty in getting them moving and they can still do useful work, because hand-won turf is by no means the failure which people on the opposite side suggest and some of the speakers who tried to condemn it know that what I am saying is perfectly true.

I was glad to hear the Minister pay a tribute to Bord na Móna and its activities, and I hope the country will realise that all the wild statements made in days gone by were merely foolish tactics and that the people who made them were in no way sincere. They realise now that the peat industry is very valuable, and, as the Minister said, can give an enormous amount of employment, if seriously taken in hand. I hope that turf workers will realise that there is employment for them in the industry and a little effort by Bord na Móna in the way of guaranteeing stability will be better than all the asking and begging of people to go to work in the industry.

I welcome this measure, and I want to say on behalf of the people I represent that they appreciate the importance of this new organisation which is to be built up throughout the country. I should like to ask the Minister once again to consider the point I previously put to him with regard to a generating station in South Kerry. We had Bord na Móna operating down in Portmagee, but I submit that that was no fair test of the district. The conditions were not favourable, because a considerable amount of drainage and other work had to be undertaken, and, if that, as was done before, is to be used as a way out of saying that nothing can be done for the district, I claim that it is not right. There are thousands of acres of excellent turbary in that district and a great case for the erection of a generating station there can be made. If the Government are sincere in their statements about catering for the poor districts of the Gaeltacht, they certainly should consider such districts as Ballinskelligs and Portmagee.

We appreciate development in every district and county, but we want to know why millions should be spent in areas adjacent to large cities and other important points, while such places as Ballinskelligs and Portmagee are neglected. I claim that, from the economic point of view, a case can be made for it. We have no Electricity Supply Board system on that side of the county and I should like to know why the Electricity Supply Board and Bord na Móna should not consider the problem. I suggest it would cater for half of that county. It would employ hundreds of men and it would have an inexhaustible supply of peat for its development. I again make that plea to the Minister. I am not at all satisfied with his answers to me in the past and neither was I satisfied with the answers I received from the previous Minister with regard to these isolated areas, as they are called. There is no change of heart in any of the Ministers, so far as I can see, in regard to these Gaeltacht districts.

I also agree with Deputy Lemass in his suggestion about the hand-won turf, that the development under this measure, which the whole country will appreciate, could be so arranged that areas where hand-won turf is produced could find a market, side by side with the market which can be made available for machine-won turf. I think that that is only a matter of adjustment. That would be a sound, business-like way of dealing with it. We had a competition recently in Kerry——

The Deputy is travelling a bit from the purpose of the Bill.

I am sorry. I will confine myself to the statement that we realise the importance of this measure, and I am sure that the Minister and his Department will consider my proposal. As far as I and the people in that area are concerned, we will co-operate in every possible way with the Department in putting through the schemes under this Bill.

I wish to join the Deputies who have already spoken in expressing approval of this Bill. There is just one matter to which I would like to draw the Minister's attention. The Minister states that Bord na Móna have carried out experiments as to how agricultural purposes may be served by the development of peat. There is a factory in Kilberry that produces peat moss litter. I was very glad to hear the Minister stating that last year there was a very good export market in America for that product. I would like to impress upon the Minister the importance of extending the peat moss industry and of popularising the use of peat moss in this country. In my young days peat moss or bog stuff was used extensively in the areas adjoining the bogs for the purpose of putting humus into the land. It was not available to a very large extent but, where it was available, farmers used it for tillage, and it was very beneficial to the land. That practice died out. I suggest to the Minister that he should contact the Department of Agriculture on this matter because there is a great deal of land that is deficient in humus. I may appear to be wandering from the Bill, but I hope to prove that I am not. One way to put humus back into the land is with straw.

There are industries in this country that require straw. I understand that straw is a very essential raw material for the wallboard factory in Athy. With the decline in corn growing and wheat growing, there may be a scarcity of that material. If peat moss were made available so that farmers would be induced to use it instead of straw for manuring the land, it might be a great advantage.

I notice in the shops in my town little packets produced by Bord na Móna labelled "Peat Moss for Horticultural Purposes". It would be far more important to extend the use of peat moss for land fertilisation. It would be good for agriculture and would help to develop the peat moss industry.

As far as hand-won turf is concerned, some inducement should be given to people to continue producing hand-won turf. In Kildare it was the practice of small farmers to cut a certain amount of hand-won turf every year. In the past few years that practice has declined, as farmers were uncertain about the market. The result is that we have not sufficient hand-won turf locally to supply local needs. We recognise that, eventually, machine-won turf will replace hand-won turf, out some inducement should be given to the people who produce hand-won turf to continue that production while a market exists.

I am indebted to the House for the manner in which it has received this Bill and I am particularly indebted to Deputy Lemass for his approach to it. I find myself almost entirely in agreement with most of what he said. I can assure the House that as far as I am concerned it is my desire that turf, native fuel, should be used to the greatest possible extent and any encouragement that can be given in that direction will be very readily and very freely given. However, when Deputies talk about the market for hand-won turf disappearing they ought to remember that there always have been and will be, certainly for our time, comparatively speaking, immense quantities of turf produced and used in this country. Deputies ought to remember that such figures as we have indicate that approximately 3,500,000 tons of hand-won turf, on an average, are produced and used in this country every year. When the first and second developments outlined in this Bill are in full operation and giving 2,000,000 tons of machine-won turf per annum, 900,000 tons of that will be used for the generating of electricity; 1,100,000 tons will be used for domestic or industrial purposes, that is, only about one-third of the average production of hand-won turf. While saying that, I would like again to say what I said before, because I do not think we are going to help in the develop ment of the use of native fuel by ignoring facts or blinding ourselves to what the actual position is and is likely to be.

I said here before and I want to say again that, generally speaking, hand-won turf in this or any other country is not a commercial proposition. Hand-won turf is at the moment, and will continue to be, produced in the bogs for sale in the immediate local areas where it is an economic proposition to sell it on the spot. That is true not merely of this country but of any other country where turf is produced and put on sale—and I think we utilise hand-won turf in this country to a greater extent than any other turf-burning country that I know of.

With regard to the point made by Deputy Lemass as to the methods of distribution and sale of turf under this Bill, he will be glad to know, as I was glad to be informed by the board, that they cannot produce the turf in sufficient quantities at the moment to meet the demand. All the turf is sold at the bog and removed from the bog in the purchasers' own vehicles. That demand, with the production, is growing and the board informs me that they have no doubt whatever that they will be able to get demand for the expanding production of their turf under the first and second developments and that they do not anticipate that they will have any difficulty there. However, if any difficulty should arise, it can and, I think, will be met.

I do not want to reopen the whole thing again, but I would say, with regard to the point made by Deputy Killilea and Deputy J. Flynn, that the whole trouble, as far as we are concerned in relation either to the permanent schemes of Bord na Móna or to the special schemes which Bord na Móna are being asked to operate—and which were formerly operated by the county councils—is that we cannot get men to work them. I want to assure Deputy Killilea and Deputy Flynn that neither in Galway nor in Kerry can we get all the men we require to work the bogs under the special schemes. As a matter of fact, two of the bogs which were earmarked this year under the special schemes in Kerry had to be closed down because we could not get enough men to work on them. Out of approximately 25 bogs, there were four on which we could not get enough men even to work them in some sort of an economic way. Of the remaining 21 bogs, I doubt if there are more than four of them on which we have the full number of men required to produce the turf that should be produced on them. I have said that the one black spot in relation to this whole scheme which I am putting before the House in connection with the development of our own resources to-day is that we are looking for 1,000 men and cannot get them.

This year we started on a very special recruiting campaign. We went only to labour exchanges that were located near bog areas. We tried to recruit only single men. The instructions were that only single men with a knowledge of turf work were to be asked to accept employment. Of 2,700 single men so interviewed and considered suitable to work those permanent schemes, I am sorry to say that only 340 of them were prepared to take up the jobs. The fact is that, as a result of being 1,000 men short, the work even this year is being slowed up. The men who should now be employed on bog development and bog drainage—which, as Deputies know as well as I do, can only be done during the summer months and the dry weather—have had to be taken off the development and drainage work and put on the production of turf. Deputies may talk and say that it is not fair to ask a man to go to Kildare, Tipperary or somewhere else and take up work there on the bog. I suggest that there is not very much in that argument when, in the next breath, I am told men are being forced to go to work in the mines of Great Britain because there is no work available for them at home. I do not think there is any tremendous hardship at all in asking an able-bodied single man who has a knowledge of turf work to accept work here in Ireland in preference to going into the bowels of the earth and working in the coal mines of Great Britain. I make an appeal here and now and I ask every member of this House to try and help us to get the additional men we require. It is deplorable to have to say that we have jobs for 1,000 men, but that we cannot get the men.

Again, I should like to express my appreciation of the manner in which this Bill has been received. May I say that one of the reasons for part of the delay in bringing this Bill before the House was the recasting of the whole scheme in connection with the housing. We thought it more desirable to build them in groups or villages and to provide water and sewerage rather than go on the other way. I think that Deputies will agree that whatever delay was occasioned by the recasting of these plans was justified.

Question put and agreed to.

I do not want to press the House unduly but, as this is an agreed measure and is not a Bill that would lend itself to amendment, I should be glad if it could be agreed to take the remaining stages now. There is one small amendment to Section 4: it is merely to delete "1949" and substitute "1950".

We are agreeable.

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