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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 28 Jul 1953

Vol. 141 No. 5

National School Teachers' Superannuation (Amendment) Scheme, 1953—Motion.

I move:—

That the National School Teachers' Superannuation (Amendment) Scheme, 1953, made by the Minister for Education, with the consent of the Minister for Finance, be confirmed.

The purpose of this Resolution is to implement an agreement made at conciliation level with the national teachers, which arranges that pension rights in future are based on the final year's salary rather than on the average of the three final years' salary, as before. The other main item in the Resolution is to give statutory effect to the payment of the gratuity to those who retired before January, 1950.

Paragraph 9 is merely a book-keeping transaction. Paragraph 6 is intended to bring the present proposals into line with the main statutory proposals. With regard to paragraphs 7 and 8, we find that it is desirable that a teacher who has retired and has come back, after a long period, to teach, should have his service previous to retiral qualify for a pension. That will not affect any teachers who have retired before now and have come back but it will affect those who return to teaching after this proposal goes through. In general, it affects very, very few people.

Paragraphs 10 and 11 are really to include certain teachers in the scheme who would be excluded otherwise. There really is nothing contentious in the matter. I think it can be agreed.

It would be desirable to mention just one point as we pass this Resolution, that is, with regard to the payment that is proposed to be made to those teachers who retired prior to the 1st January, 1950. The Minister is to be congratulated on squeezing this additional grant for teachers who retired before the 1st January, 1950, out of the Minister forFinance. It is undersirable, I suppose, that you have these great changes in the conditions that affect teachers or that affect any other class of official simply because something happened on a particular date. The Minister has indicated that he will not be able to pay this grant in one sum to the people affected. The suggestion is that it will be paid in three annual instalments. The sum of money involved is £400,000. The Minister indicates that this is such a large sum it would not be possible to pay it all at once and, therefore, one-third is to be paid this year, one-third next year, and one-third the following year. The resources and the credit of the State should be great enough to be able to pay this money to the teachers involved straight away. Once the concession is being given, I have hesitated to press as to why it is not possible to have it paid now in one payment, when we consider the amount of money that can be made available for purposes that are less poignant in many aspects than the purpose of paying this grant to retired teachers.

The Minister is very well aware of the circumstances in which many teachers retire. Their emoluments are not very great and, in the case of married teachers, the Minister is aware that marriage among teachers is very often a late marriage and teachers may find themselves retiring at 65 years of age with a family at a rather difficult stage, with young people at the tail end of their educational course and not yet in a position of earning. These teachers on retiring find themselves in a very difficult position. Many of the teachers who retired at that particular time retired in rather difficult family circumstances. I have hesitated to put down a question asking the Minister how many of the teachers involved are likely to die this year, how many are likely to die next year and how many are likely to die the following year. There is the aspect, apart altogether from their circumstances, that the Government, once they have made up their minds to pay the grant, ought to be able to make up their minds to pay it in full, realising the circumstances in which these teachers retired, and particularly the difficulties in whichpeople with any kind of family responsibilities find themselves.

I do not know whether there is anything in this scheme which would bind the Minister not to pay the amount in a lump sum after further consideration, but it would be a pity if the Minister by his attitude or statement to-day would tie his hands in the matter. I am sure he appreciates the situation and that he will do everything he can to press that matter. I am sure he will have the support of every side of the House in pressing the Minister for Finance to accede to any appeal he will make to that Minister to secure that this comparatively small sum of money will be paid in one lump sum.

I should also like to impress on the Minister the desirability of making this ex gratiapayment in one lump sum. A number of the ex-teachers will receive their total gratuity in lump sum, namely those whose total gratuity will be under £50. It would be a very small step to go the whole distance. As a matter of fact, it would be less expensive for the Department to pay the gratuity in one sum to the remaining teachers who are entitled to it. It would involve less clerical work in the Department and therefore would be less expensive for the Department. It is not necessary to say that it would be a very great boon to these people who retired three years ago and who are still waiting for this sum of money to help them pay off commitments they entered into on the strength of this gratuity. I urge the Minister very strongly to consider that.

I should like to add my voice to the recommendation that there should be immediate payment of this gratuity. Several people who will be affected have asked me to make that recommendation and I certainly would like to support the recommendation made.

Mr. A. Byrne

I raised this matter several times in the Dáil and I join with my colleagues in asking the Minister to pay the amount in one sum andto do it quickly. These teachers entered into commitments which were brought to the notice of every Deputy within the last year or so.

I think the Minister can take it that the House is unanimously behind him if it is possible to succeed in paying this gratuity in one sum. There may be a case made on the basis of economic exigencies so far as the Government are concerned at the moment, but I would press the Minister to take the line suggested by Deputy Mulcahy and not tie his hands or bind himself in any way in advance. The Government have decided to pay this sum and perhaps we should leave it in this way: that we urge on the Minister in a unanimous way to try to get the Government to consider paying it as expeditiously as possible. It may not be possible for it to be paid in one sum, but it might be practicable for the Minister to have the whole matter cleared up in two payments. There is general satisfaction on all sides of the House that the money is being made available and our main anxiety now is to make it available with the best possible grace to the recipients. The Minister should consider the unanimous commendation of the action he has taken and the unanimous pressure for the completion of this ex gratiapayment as quickly as possible.

I compliment the Minister on honouring his word to the retired teachers. I welcome this scheme and I want to say that the steps which the Minister is taking to make this payment to the retired teachers are in accordance with their wishes. During the time they had been making representations to me and to other Deputies they made the point that the payment should be spread over a period of three years. While I appreciate the views of other Deputies that they would like to get it all together, I want to be fair to the Minister and say that he is definitely carrying out the wishes and desires of the people concerned when they were making representations. Some of them may have changed their minds afterwards, but on behalf of the people who made the representations I want to thank the Minister.

I think the Minister is on our side in this matter.

It is most pleasant to find this spirit of unanimity in the House this evening. I trust we will continue that for the remainder of the session. Deputy Mulcahy has made a very plausible plea on behalf of the people concerned. I am fully conversant with the difficulties of many of them, but Deputy Mulcahy, like myself, has had difficulties with Ministers for Finance before. It is not always easy to persuade those who watch the Treasury to disgorge. However, this Resolution does not contain anything that binds my hands in relation to payment. Section 6 (a) of No. 11 says:—

"An ex gratiagrant shall be paid in such a manner as the Minister, with the consent of the Minister for Finance, may direct.”

Maybe with the good times we envisage we will be able to meet it.

Question put and agreed to.
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