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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 24 Nov 1954

Vol. 147 No. 7

Committee on Finance. - Medical Practitioners Bill, 1954 —Second Stage.

I move that this Bill be read a Second Time. The purpose of this Bill is to make a number of amendments to the Medical Practitioners Act, 1927, which experience has shown to be desirable. The amendments are, in the main, minor ones which deal with the financial activities of the council and remedy certain difficulties which have arisen. The only innovation in the Bill is in Section 3 which will permit persons from abroad to be temporarily registered as medical practitioners.

The Medical Practitioners Act of 1927 established the Medical Registration Council as the statutory supervisory body for medical practitioners in this country. Provision had been made under the medical Acts of the last century for the registration and supervision of persons practising medicine in Ireland but these functions were exercised in this country, prior to 1927, by an Irish branch of the British General Medical Council. The 1927 Act, which was the outcome of an agreement with the British authorities, transferred the function of keeping a register of medical practitioners for this country to the new body.

The Act provided that the Medical Registration Council should consist of representatives of the universities and other bodies awarding degrees or diplomas which entitled their holders to practise medicine, two persons elected by medical practitioners, and two persons appointed by the Government. The latter have, in all cases, been medical practitioners.

The council were given power to establish a register of medical practitioners and to include in it the names of those persons whose medical qualifications entitled them to be registered. Power was given to the council to hold inquiries into the actions of medical practitioners alleged to have committed certain offences and, if the council were satisfied that it was necessary, to remove these practitioners from the register. In addition to holding inquiries of its own, the council were given power to act, if they so thought fit, on the report of an inquiry held by the British General Medical Council into the actions of a medical practitioner registered in both the British and the Irish Registers.

The council were required further to satisfy themselves that the standard of medical education given by the bodies awarding diplomas in this country which entitle persons to practise medicine was such as would guarantee the possession by these persons of the skill and knowledge necessary to enable them to practise their profession.

To carry out their functions, the council were given power to recruit and pay staff, subject to the approval of the Minister for Local Government and Public Health and the consent of the Minister for Finance. The power of the Minister for Local Government and Public Health was since transferred to the Minister for Health. For some years, the council have argued that, as their only income is derived from registration fees and that the State has, therefore, no stake in their funds, they should be given greater autonomy in their expenditure and in the control of staff, subject to certain safeguards.

By Section 2 of the Bill the term of office of the present council is being extended to the 31st December, 1957. At present the council goes out of office during the month of October and it must meet in July or August to arrange an election of the two direct representatives. As Deputies will appreciate, this meeting and the election are held in a period when many of the electors and other persons concerned are on holidays, and this makes for an unsatisfactory poll and for inconvenience to those holding the election. The amendment now proposed will mean that the statutory council meeting can be held in October to arrange the election, and that the election will take place at a much more convenient time for those concerned.

Sections 3 and 4 together provide for temporary registration of persons who hold foreign medical diplomas. The Government, on the recommendation of the Medical Registration Council, has power at present to make arrangements with other countries for the reciprocal recognition of medical qualifications. A considerable amount of time and work is involved before such agreements can be made and, generally speaking, they are not often justified by the number of persons likely to benefit from them. There is, however, at the moment a small but constant number of foreign practitioners, who come to this country for post-graduate training, mainly in midwifery and in mental diseases. As the qualifications which they possess do not entitle them to be registered here, certain disabilities are imposed on these practitioners in carrying out their work. They cannot, for example, sign certificates which are statutorily required nor can they prescribe dangerous drugs.

To meet these difficulties the Medical Registration Council has suggested that provision should be made for registering such doctors during the period for which they are employed in hospitals in this country. Such registration will not entitle them to set up in practice here, but it will give them, while they are working in the hospital, the same privileges and benefits which general medical practitioners enjoy.

Section 5 is mainly a re-enactment of Section 16 of the 1927 Act. A new provision is that which will require the council to publish its accounts and the auditor's certificate and report on them within a specified period. The period proposed in this Bill is six months from the receipt of the auditor's report. In circumstances which I will explain on Committee Stage, I propose to ask the House later to extend that period to 12 months. It is now provided that publication should take place "as soon as may be".

Section 6 contains the other amendments which it is proposed to make in the 1927 Act. Some of these provide for the removal of certain ministerial controls over the financial activities of the council. In the first year of its existence the council was assisted from voted moneys, but for many years it has not been in receipt of public moneys and the controls are no longer required.

Sub-section (2) makes it clear that fees may be paid to the members of the council for attendance at meetings of its committees.

Sub-section (3) provides that the registration fees, from which the council's income is derived, and which are fixed by regulations, shall in future require the approval of the Minister.

Sub-section (4) of Section 6 will remedy a difficulty arising out of the British Medical Act of 1950. Before that Act came into operation the British General Medical Council held inquiries into professional misconduct of medical practitioners on the British Register and, as I have already pointed out, our own Medical Registration Council were authorised by the Act of 1927 to take action, if they so thought fit, on the report of such an inquiry in relation to a person who was on the Irish Register as well as the British Register. The British Act of 1950 transferred the power of the General Medical Council to hold inquiries to a special medical disciplinary committee and this sub-section is necessary to enable the Medical Registration Council to act on a report of that committee. The alternative would be for the Medical Registration Council to hold their own inquiry into such cases.

Section 7 of the Bill makes an amendment in the Act of 1951 which is required as a corollary of those amendments made in the Act of 1927 which remove ministerial controls over the council's financial activities.

I have dealt in some detail with the provisions of this Bill so that Deputies may be fully aware of its implications. The amendments which it is proposed to make in the earlier Acts are, I think, reasonable and necessary and it is on that basis that I recommend it to the House for a Second Reading.

The object of this Bill appears to be to remove governmental control from the Medical Registration Council. Originally, under the main Act of 1927, the Registration Council were in receipt of certain funds from the Government. At present, as far as I know the situation, they are entirely dependent on their own financial resources. There are a lot of things in this Bill of which I approve. In the main it is a good Bill, but I have some criticisms to make in respect of parts of it. In the first instance I feel that Section 4 is a good section. We have a great number of doctors coming into this country for the purpose of carrying out studies in different subjects, principally in midwifery for which this country has a pretty sound reputation, and I think the safeguards contemplated in that section are very satisfactory. The position here is that we annually turn out more doctors than we are able to absorb in this country. I think these safeguards are very necessary. They are certainly very satisfactory since they will prevent an increase in this already overcrowded profession and in the number of doctors available to the public, and will at the same time enable young doctors to find employment without being in competition with foreigners. The younger men leaving our universities will be in a position henceforth to find such situations as they are fitted for, either for themselves or for the benefit of the people as a whole. The fact that a separate register is being kept will be sufficient safeguard and will ensure that no difficulties will arise in that direction in future.

I would like a little clarification on Section 3 where provision is made that:—

"The council may, upon such person's making the prescribed application and paying such fee as may be prescribed with the consent of the Minister, temporarily register such person in the register for such period as the council may determine."

The purpose of this Bill is to free the Medical Registration Council and for that reason I cannot see why the consent of the Minister should be necessary in this connection. I think that particular provision could be deleted to the benefit of both the Medical Registration Council and their functions.

Section 5 appears to me to retain a great deal of ministerial control, a control which appears to be unnecessary. I take it the council which is now functioning is an autonomous body and should, therefore, be wholly responsible for their own finances. They may not seek any adventitious aids from the State. The section provides that:—

"(1) The council shall keep, in such form as shall from time to time be directed or approved by the Minister, all proper and usual accounts of all moneys received or expended by the council.

(2) The accounts of the council shall be audited at least once in every year by an auditor appointed for the purpose by the Minister and the fees of such auditor shall be fixed by the Minister and such fees and also the expenses generally of such audit shall be paid by the council."

I am not a lawyer, goodness knows, but I do not think other corporations are submitted to such close scrutiny and close control as the Medical Registration Council apparently will be under this measure. I take it that heretofore such controls have existed. I think they are incompatible to-day with the laws of the country and they should be removed forthwith.

Sub-section (3) of Section 5 provides:—

"The council shall, after every audit under this section of the accounts of the council and within whichever of the following periods first expires, namely—

(a) a period of two months after the council has held its first meeting subsequent to the submission to the council of the auditor's report, or

(b) a period of six months after such submission,

cause such accounts and the auditor's certificate and report thereon to be printed, published and put on sale either by inclusion in the volume containing the medical register or as a separate volume and shall immediately after every such publication present to the Minister and to each House of the Oireachtas a copy of such accounts and such certificate and report thereon as so printed and published."

It does not seem to me that the Medical Registration Council once this Bill is passed will be free from parliamentary control. If the Minister can show adequate reason for such controls I shall be satisfied. From my own general knowledge and experience I do not see why such controls should be necessary. I do not know what the position is generally with regard to corporate bodies, but I imagine that if someone wishes to procure a copy of a particular body's accounts he can do so at any bookstall or publications office.

As far as the rest of the Bill goes, it is very satisfactory. I welcome it. Anything that tends towards freeing an institution, no matter what institution it may be, from Government control is, in my opinion, to the benefit of the body itself and the benefit of the nation as a whole.

With regard to some of the matters raised by Deputy Dr. Esmonde I think it might be better if some of his objections were raised on the Committee Stage rather than on this stage. Broadly speaking, as I understand his criticism, it is confined mainly to the insertion of the Minister in relation to fees to be charged for registration and also in relation to the auditing provisions in Section 5. I will welcome a discussion on these matters on the Committee Stage. In any event, there are a few ministerial amendments that I shall be moving on that stage and I think we can more appropriately deal with the points raised by the Deputy at that time.

Question put and agreed to.
Ordered: That the Committee Stage be taken on Wednesday, December 1st.
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