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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Jun 1956

Vol. 158 No. 2

Committee on Finance. - Vote 49—Gaeltacht Services (Resumed).

Notice taken that 20 Deputies were not present; House counted, and 20 Deputies being present,

When progress was reported yesterday, I was saying that, in order to discuss the Estimate for Gaeltacht Services satisfactorily, we should have a reasonably complete picture of the year's trading. These figures are not likely to be available for some time and I asked the Minister to give us as much information as he could, not alone about the year's trading, but about the prospects for expansion for the coming year. He has been kind enough to tell me that the total stock on hand of materials in respect of the rural industries side of Gaeltacht Services on 31st March, 1956, was £249,190; and of manufactured products £217,944, making a total of £467,134.

I also asked the Minister, in reference to his statement about the provision of machinery and equipment for the Kilcar factory, whether he would let us know what the total capital expenditure had been during the past two years, and, whether or not, the necessary expenditure has now been provided so that the factory will be able to go ahead, in the knowledge that the maximum production is possible, and that there has been no hold back by reason of essential equipment not being provided. The Estimates indicate that there has been an increase of £6,700 provided for tweed and nearly £13,000 for knitwear. There are also increases, which seem to be substantial, in respect of advertisements and wages—an increase of over £6,000. That may appear a relatively small figure, but, last year and the year before, the Minister reminded us that the wages bill had increased during both of the preceding years by £20,000. It seems to be the case that, as far as the total expenditure on the rural industries is concerned, about one-third is spent on wages.

The reason I deal with these costs is to try to secure from the Minister a statement as to whether the increased activities, increased output and increased sales of Gaeltacht Services, which we are all very happy to note, indicate a larger surplus for investment in the expansion of these industries or for reserves to meet depreciation and other needs. The essential question in these trading accounts is the relation which the total cost bears to the output. Leaving aside, for the moment, the salaries, wages and allowances of the office, and anything that could not be said to be properly part of the actual administration of the rural industries themselves, one would like to know whether the cost per unit has been reduced by virtue of the increased output and also of the fact that, in respect of the products of these industries, the demand fortunately exceeds the supply.

I trust that will continue, and I have no doubt that it will, in view of the boom conditions that exist outside. At the same time, while these conditions exist, every opportunity ought to be taken to see that the greatest efficiency, and economy consistent with efficiency, is obtained. The total receipts which the Minister estimates have gone up by £20,000. Receipts from sales from the products of the rural industries, at £520,000, show an increase of £20,000 over last year. That is a very substantial figure, but having regard to the increase in costs, most of which, the Minister said, are unavoidable, the estimate is rather cautious in allowing only £20,000 for increased receipts. I think that could not be described as entirely satisfactory, having regard to the increases under all the sub-heads of the Vote.

What I am naturally anxious about is that the production and output should go ahead at the maximum possible rate, believing that thereby the burden of costs will be reduced; but we have to depend on the Minister to give us figures which will corroborate my hope that that is the situation and that it will obtain in an improving degree in the future.

The Minister did not refer, either, to market prices or conditions. One knows that fluctuations and changes take place and in spite of the boom conditions to which I have referred continuing and being likely to continue for some time in the international market, which is becoming daily more competitive and where newer and stronger competitors are every day emerging, it stands to reason that we must be prepared, by having adequate reserves and having the maximum possible amount of well-directed investment in these industries, for eventualities that may arise. It is only once a year that members of the Dáil can voice their opinion in regard to this matter.

It was very welcome information that half the output of the tweed industry is exported and perhaps the Minister would tell us whether the position, which he says is better, so far as the United States market is concerned, has improved substantially. As a matter of information, I should also like to know whether Coras Tráchtála have been able to assist, or whether the Gaeltacht Services branch feel that they themselves are in a position to investigate the possibilities of the American market. If there is an organisation representing Irish exporters generally, I suppose it would be only natural to expect that the tweed industry, of such importance in the Gaeltacht areas, should receive special care and attention.

I was glad also to hear from the Minister that new designs are being introduced in the knitwear industry. I have heard it stated that we are not always up-to-date with our designs and I wonder whether more could not be done to bring in modern designs and to provide special designers, even as consultants. I have no fault to find with the persons who are responsible for designs at the present time. We have them in the central marketing depot; we have a knitwear designer and also a designer in the toys industry. But as has been shown in the case of the Irish carpet industry in regard to securing a foothold in the United States, if articles of a luxury or semi-luxury character are being produced and if the choicest market is being sought, the question of design is of the greatest importance. We see that in connection with the strides the French and the Italians are making and the enormous labour and expense to which they go to keep themselves in the forefront and in the headlines.

When I asked the Minister last year whether a showroom could be provided in a more central place, I was told that the central marketing depot ought, perhaps, to suffice. However, if we are depending on selling our goods to visitors and if we expect those visitors to spread the light when they return to the United States, or wherever they come from, I think that, if it is not possible to provide a central showroom, the good offices of the leading shops ought to be sought to get them to give the products of this and other Irish industries a better show than often seems to be given.

The Minister told us that a new centre had been established for knitwear. He has not stated where, and I have always thought that more could be done to encourage cottage industries than is done at present. I am not suggesting that it will be an easy matter—in fact, it is a very difficult one—but we know that in Switzerland and in Germany, they have machines suitable for these smaller industries. They have a longer tradition and, perhaps, a better tradition in some respects than we have, but I would be all in favour of sending some of those who are responsible for the industries to see what is going on in countries like Switzerland, with special reference to trying to provide machinery that would fit in with the development of rural electrification and its spread in the congested areas. The Commission on Population and Emigration referred to this matter in paragraph 429.

A great deal more will have to be done in the way of the education of the worker and in trying to pursue as far as possible the liaison between the vocational schools and the local industry, so that young workers will acquire not alone the most up-to-date skills but a knowledge of design and of the craft, with reference to the market point of view that might otherwise be denied to them. In fact, the more these young workers feel themselves associated with and part of these industries, the better.

It is satisfactory also that there has been such an improvement in the sale of marine products. In this Estimate, the purchase of carrageen stands at £15,000. That would indicate that there is an improvement in respect of that commodity. The seaweeds come to £22,000. These amounts may appear comparatively small, but they show what can be accomplished in these sea-girth areas where the people have very few opportunities, as the Commission on Emigration points out, to secure a full livelihood from agriculture. To the extent that we can direct their attention to the riches of the sea and to the advantages of utilising these products, the better it will be for our economy as a whole. The total expenditure on marine products seems to be about £51,500. The amount paid out is £49,000. That indicates that practically the whole of the money goes to the people who harvest these products or who are working at the local centres.

The Minister referred to housing grants and I should be glad if he would tell us the total number of houses built so far under Gaeltacht housing grants. It is satisfactory, and is, I hope, a sign of new life and activity and a recognition of modern requirements in relation to housing, that the Minister has been able to report the completion of 200 new houses and the improvement of a large number. He has not told us what the areas concerned are. In view of the importance of providing housing accommodation, not only for the people themselves, but for visitors to the Irish-speaking districts, who, I think, should get the best possible accommodation, comparable with that which they enjoy at home, or would get elsewhere on holiday, it would be interesting to know how these new houses and improvements to existing houses are divided as between the different Gaeltacht areas.

The general statement of the Minister indicates that very good progress has been made, but one has the feeling that, if the Gaeltacht industries were completely independent of, shall we say, any immediate connection with the Department of Finance and the direction that Department exercises, they might have more scope; those responsible for the conduct of these industries would then have more scope, I have not the slightest doubt, for displaying greater initiative, taking greater advantage of their opportunities and embarking on the risks normally involved in ventures of this kind.

We do not know whether this office will be taken over under the new Ministry, or what the position will be. At all times, there has been a feeling that Gaeltacht industries should be given the greatest latitude and that those responsible for administering them should be given the greatest freedom to take the necessary decisions. After all, if they are to be run successfully, one must look ahead, not alone for two years, but for three years, or perhaps longer; one must plan one's capital requirements and the building of one's stocks of essential materials on that basis. The industries do, of course, provide a certain amount of employment and provide much needed activities in the centres; but there are a great many areas even in the Gaeltacht itself, small and diminishing though the area may be, which have not the advantage of having centres.

It is for the Government to state what their general policy is with regard to better provision for the people in the Gaeltacht areas, so that, if it is at all possible—as I have said, I know it is an extremely difficult problem to try to maintain our young people in employment at home, preferably in permanent employment and work of an industrial character, since that seems to be the kind of work that appeals to them—employment of a proper kind will be provided for them. If the Government realises its responsibility in that respect, it will have to do very much more than this Vote for Gaeltacht Services indicates.

We have only to look at the figures for emigration issued recently to realise that these areas, particularly in the North and West, are the areas which have suffered most severely, the areas which have had the largest decline in employment. That is borne out by the statement from the Central Statistics Office. Side by side with that, we have the very grave situation in which the number of girls emigrating has almost reached the high level of male emigration.

Speaking on another Vote in connection with this matter with regard to the younger age groups approaching marriageable age, the members of which might be settling down and founding families in other circumstances or in other places, I said that the whole economic life of the country will be affected because of the high proportion of these age groups leaving the country. We are becoming a more aged population. If we want to make economic progress, we can only make that progress through our young people, with their capacity for work and their ability to acquire skill. It is through them that the greatest effort will be made and the greatest results will be obtained. They are the richest raw material we have.

The Government, however, do not seem to realise the position. They have made no effort to come forward and tell the House that they have any plan or policy in which all Parties and leaders throughout the country generally could participate—a policy behind which our young people could feel there is a plan, a policy which, while it might take a certain time to show results, would at least have the merit that we could all go out and do our utmost in an effort to make it both effective and successful. If we cannot do more than is being done at present to revitalise these communities in the western and northern counties—I am taking these as an example because they seem to be the worst cases revealed by the census—then the outlook is very dismal indeed.

The Commission on Emigration reported that a large scheme should be introduced, of a nature that would bring a substantial portion of the population in these areas into employment over the period of the year when they would be at home living on their own holdings. They were actuated by the fact that migration to England has been a feature of the life of these communities for generations. As the commission says, the unfortunate thing about the recent decline is that whole families are going, and where formerly the young persons or the fathers in the household went to England or Scotland for a season and came back, the danger now is that, with the full employment that is in existence in Britain, if they are able to secure accommodation they will, as they have been doing, bring over their families, lock, stock and barrel. That is an extremely serious situation. If we are to continue to lose these young people for a further period at the rate we have been losing them during the past few years, we cannot say that there is much future for the western counties and for the people living in these areas.

The Commission on Emigration, recommending that there should be a large scheme to provide employment for at least six months of the year, stated in paragraph 420 on page 165:—

"We think it unlikely that the State would undertake a project of such magnitude without first testing its efficacy by means of a pilot scheme sufficiently comprehensive to make it a realistic approach to the problem. We recommend such a pilot scheme and consider that it should embrace areas comprising 5 to 10 per cent. of the holdings of £4 valuation and under (which would represent 2,500 to 5,000 households) calling for a yearly wage bill of £250,000 to £500,000. The men concerned could be profitably employed and the nation would benefit from their labour, as large-scale schemes of afforestation, reclamation of hill-land, farm improvements to permit the use of agricultural machinery and construction of tourist roads would become immediately practicable."

That and other recommendations are in the hands of the Government for a considerable time, but we have heard nothing from responsible Ministers as to whether any action is being taken in connection with them.

In conclusion, I urge that, gratifying as the progress under the Gaeltacht Services may be and satisfactory as the employment and output may be— employment is given, I think, to about 1,500 persons and a great deal of it is full-time employment—it is not sufficient. It is only a very small contribution towards this immense and frightening problem that looms up in front of us. I ask the Minister to take steps to see that something larger and more promising is done—something that would be a real effort on a national scale—and to try to get activity of a general character in connection with land improvement going in the congested areas, and to get the Government to take steps in that connection as quickly as ever they can. With organisation, with men of enthusiasm and men of vision and experience——

Notice taken that 20 Deputies were not present; House counted, and 20 Deputies being present,

The commission were——

Where are the other 61 Fianna Fáil Deputies who are absent from the House?

Where was the Deputy?

Where was Deputy Corry until a minute ago when he came in from his tea?

Deputy Derrig, on the Estimate.

Following on the recommendations which I have just dwelt upon, the commission went on to say that:—

"The commission considers that, while the Government must decide the scope of the pilot scheme and the tempo of its expansion, its direction and administration should be entrusted to a Government-nominated board having the fullest freedom of action in the conduct of its work. The function of the Government should be confined to nominating the board and providing the necessary funds. It is the opinion of the commission that an unpaid board, after the fashion of the former Congested Districts Board, would receive maximum co-operation from the people."

I think that if an independent board were able to achieve what the Gaeltacht Services branch or any such branch of the administration may accomplish, it would probably get more credit. The public would have the feeling that such a body would not depend, to the extent that branches of Government Departments have to depend, upon the exigencies of political situations. They would have more freedom to break new ground and they would approach the problems they were set up to tackle with a freedom that, perhaps, does not always belong to the trained civil servant, who is accustomed to look to precedent and to wait for directions from above. Undoubtedly there are men in the Civil Service who, if given the opportunity, can acquit themselves as well as men selected from the higher ranks of industry and commerce outside; but they have not had that experience in the same way. They have not had that familiarity, perhaps, with the problems in these areas that men who are familiar with them through their business connections have.

I have no doubt that it was the feeling of the commission that such a board would be free from any shackles or red tape, departmental or financial control, and that it could call to its aid independently — and plan accordingly—the best experts and best advisers to try to get something substantial and something of real value accomplished within the next few years in these areas.

Gratifying as it may be to see some improvement in relation to the activity of Gaeltacht Services, I revert again to part of the matters I raised with the Minister last year. I dealt then with the question of the organisation and marketing of the Gaeltacht products. Has any improvement been shown in this line? Can the Minister indicate to the House that they have succeeded in defeating the extraordinary system of supplying material from Dublin to be spun in the Gaeltacht and returned to Dublin for warehousing and sale? What has been done in a realistic way to explore the market potential of Gaeltacht products? The world to-day is turning more and more to market research. For the particular type of goods produced in the Gaeltacht, there should be a widespread commercial and sentimental market available. It seems rather ironic that there is more "Donegal tweed" sold throughout the world that is manufactured in Scotland than is manufactured in Ireland.

These are features that cause substantial distress to persons interested in the preservation of the Gaeltacht and the enlargement of Gaeltacht industries of a practical nature, or in the expansion of some of the cottage industries in the Gaeltacht. It is true —if the Minister doubts my word, he can get his officials to check—that one can get very extensive ranges of materials, even from Japan, that are styled "Donegal tweed". In other words, a name that is significant of quality has been abused, to the detriment of the home producers.

I know, as I have said on other occasions in relation to the Gaeltacht, that the problem is a very large one, but I feel that there is a good deal of overlapping within the industries and a great degree of non-attention to an expansionist programme that would be practical. I believe that, with improved efficiency and improved equipment, the people in the Gaeltacht, who have the tradition of weaving and spinning, can and will produce goods of a quality commensurate with the quality of goods produced in any part of the world. The inherent desire of these people to work at home and to produce something of first-class quality can lead to an international market drive, if proper equipment and up-to-date machinery are made available.

Gaeltacht Services seem to confine their activity, as Deputy Derrig said, to western and northern areas. I do not know whether Gaeltacht Services are allergic to the West Cork Gaeltacht areas, but these areas are conspicuously devoid of any signs of the energy and activity that might be expected to flow from the industries section of Gaeltacht Services. When one thinks of the island of Cape Clear and the areas of Goleen, Ballyvourney, Ballingeary and Inchigeela, one can say emphatically that, however gratifying the progress of Gaeltacht Services may be in parts of Galway and Donegal, we, in our part of the country, which contributed a very substantial part of the effort that gave us the right to have any Gaeltacht Services and the liberty of this country, have a tale of sad and woeful neglect.

I feel that, possibly, the Minister is at a disadvantage inasmuch as this facet of public endeavour is tagged on to the Department of Lands. One looks at the figure of £300,000 odd for Gaeltacht Services and one sighs because it is only a pinprick in the problem to be faced in relation to these areas. I am sure Deputies from Donegal and Galway, though they may express satisfaction at the progress being made——

Notice taken that 20 Deputies were not present; House counted, and 20 Deputies being present,

As I was saying, before the East Cork playboy continued his gyrations——

I was trying to get you a House.

There are 60 Fianna Fáil Deputies missing.

Sixty-one, to be accurate.

They are missing. They are not attending to their business.

Though the Deputies from Galway and Donegal may be gratified that work is being done there, I am sure they will join with me in pressing the Minister for some kind of realistic review of what is necessary to find substantially more employment for people under the aegis of Gaeltacht Services.

Is Deputy Corry going now?

I am going for a smoke. Will the Deputy come?

It is gratifying to see the improvement shown in the Estimate under marine products but it straight away tempts one to express the belief that even in that particular facet of Gaeltacht industries, again the surface is only being scratched. I believe that there is an extensive market available for a much wider selection of marine products and, again, I should like the Minister to let us know what export market research has been done and what development investigations have been carried out in relation to the possibility of expansion in this particular field.

We all stand indicted to posterity by the appalling situation revealed in the recent census of population. Remember this particular aspect impinges on a part of the country where the haemorrhage of emigration has flowed most freely and it is all the more distressing when we know that there is no person more anxious to cling to whatever holding he has in the barren fastnesses of this country than the Gaeltacht inhabitant is.

I know there is a good deal of futility in public utterances in relation to various Votes and I want to warn the Minister and this section of his Department which deals with Gaeltacht Services that unless they can plan expansion, such limited resources as they have in the way of personnel to employ will become depleted because, whether we are going to face up to the problem or not, the people of the Gaeltacht are beginning to lose confidence in all types of Government in this country that their problem will be tackled and solved at all.

If we look at the recent census of population in connection with the West Cork area, the Donegal area, the Galway area or other places on the western seaboard comprising the Fíor-Ghaeltacht and Breac-Ghaeltacht districts we will find that it is there the heaviest drain of population has occurred. I am not suggesting that the Minister can perform miracles overnight but in connection with the industries that his Gaeltacht Department are successfully running I believe they can be made even more successful by adequate and effective market research. I believe that particularly in the branch of marine industry there could be substantial expansion.

We know from examination of the situation at the moment that there is room for a substantial expansion into Gaeltacht areas of dry seaweed plant. We know that this product in its dry, chopped condition has become a most valuable raw material in connection with some of the most valuable drug production in progress to-day. What do we see done to make the effort, even if it is only going to put 20 or 30 people in a Gaeltacht parish into employment? Think of the steadying effect it will have in any area if there is proper research and proper planning in relation to what can be done. I know that I always appear to be critical when it comes to dealing with the problems of the Gaeltacht but the situation in the Gaeltacht generally has become more than critical. Nationally, we profess a deep interest in the preservation and revival of the Irish language and while that profession is in evidence and while lip service is being paid to that belief, we can look at the current census report and see how many actual native speakers and how many Fíor-Ghaels of the Gaeltacht have left these shores. I am quite sure that some of my colleagues in the West of Ireland know that they can go into some of the cities of England, particularly Birmingham and Manchester, and find more Irish spoken there than in many places at home.

That shows there is something wrong and it shows, as I said at the outset, that with all the good intentions in the world the particular section the Minister has control of is only scratching the surface of a big problem. While we can commend what has been done—and we do commend what has been done by the section—we must realise how much more it could do. There is more to be considered than the bare economics of industry that might be furthered in Gaeltacht areas. This problem has to be viewed in the perspective of keeping people at home working in the Gaeltacht.

The social aspect of it must be equated with whatever potential economic loss might appear on the face of a project. I take this opportunity on this Vote of urging that the section, whether it will be transferred to the control of the new Minister for the Gaeltacht or is left in the hands of the Minister for Lands, would get down to the problem of adequate investigation of market and expansion potential. I am a great believer in using the far-flung connection that is ours, much of it springing, as it does, from emigrants who left the Gaeltacht areas and areas in the South and South-West. That bond has been a feature of the new world. I am a great believer in exploiting that sentiment to the commercial saving of the Gaeltacht.

I believe that if the Minister and this section bend their mind and hands to the task of exploiting properly the market potential and of finding out what kind of goods can be produced for sale in the markets of the New World, they will be able to get a wealth of information that will be a possible guiding light in regard to the direction future development of industry in these areas might take.

Progress reported; the Committee to sit again.
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