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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 11 Jun 1958

Vol. 168 No. 11

Committee on Finance. - Vote 50—Industry and Commerce.

I move:—

That a sum not exceeding £1,055,280 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st March, 1959, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of the Minister for Industry and Commerce, including certain services administered by that Office and for payment of certain Subsidies and Sundry Grants-in-Aid.

The total Estimate of £1,583,280 for Industry and Commerce for the year 1958-59 compares with a total of £3,287,370 granted for the year 1957-58. The provision for this year therefore shows a net reduction of £1,704,090 as compared with the provision for last year. In this comparison the amount provided in 1957-58 for losses on the disposal of surplus native wheat is not included in the 1957-58 figure of £3,287,370 as this service has been transferred to the Department of Agriculture and is provided for in 1958-59 in Vote 26—Agriculture, and has been dealt with on the Estimate for that Vote.

The principal increases are in the grant for the provision of additional laboratories for the Institute for Industrial Research and Standards (sub-head N (4)) £46,000; Grants-in-Aid to the Industrial Development Authority (sub-heads O (1) and C (4)) £20,000 and £50,000; Grant-in-Aid to An Foras Tionscal (sub-head Q (1)) £50,000; grants for Technical Assistance (sub-head T) £67,000; and Fuel Subsidy £85,000.

The principal decreases are in the provision for salaries, wages and allowances of the headquarters staff (sub-head A) £21,000 and in the amount provided for food subsidies (sub-head J (1)) £1,930,000. The decrease of £20,940 under sub-head A is mainly due to a reduction in the headquarters staff from 602 in 1957-58 to 567 in 1958-59.

A token sum has been provided under sub-head J (1) for flour subsidy to meet any expenditure that may arise during the year arising out of the final examination of the accounts and claims in respect of previous years. This is purely a precautionary provision.

Industrial production and industrial employment which had suffered a severe set-back in 1956 showed signs of recovery during 1957. In the December quarter of 1957 a slight increase over the corresponding period in 1956 was disclosed and this was the first occasion since March, 1956 on which the quarterly figures were at a higher level than in the corresponding period of the previous year. For the December quarter of 1957 the volume of production index (to base 1953=100) of transportable goods industries was 108.8 as compared with 100.1 in the December quarter of 1956; and the number of persons engaged in these industries in December, 1957 was 151,200 as compared with 150,600 in December, 1956. The outcome of 1957, therefore, so far as industry is concerned, was that, as a result of special measures taken to stimulate expansion, the decline in activity was arrested and the process of recovery begun.

The special measures taken in 1957 included the removal of special import levies on a number of commodities, and the granting of licences for the importation, free of special import levy, of materials intended for a process of manufacture or for the equipment of an industrial undertaking; the removal of restrictions on hire-purchase transactions; and the provision of tax reliefs for industry, including an extension of the tax concessions in respect of profits derived from industrial exports.

There are grounds for confidence that the recovery in industrial production will continue. The increase in the first quarter of 1958 was 7 per cent. over the same period of 1957, notwithstanding the fairly considerable upsets caused by the shipping dispute during that period. Employment in industry was 1½ per cent. higher than in the same period of last year and earnings per worker were 7½ per cent. higher. I am far from suggesting that there is any justification for complacancy regarding any aspect of our industrial, financial or economic position. To recover lost ground is not enough; our policy and objective is to expand and develop industrial activity beyond the point of meeting the normal needs of the home market, so that Irish products may find in increasing degree an economic outlet in the markets of the world.

Before dealing with specific matters, I should make a brief statement upon the basic policy of the Government in the industrial field. We believe that, if economic progress is to be maintained and the problems of excessive unemployment and emigration ended, public and private investment in developments of a productive character must be stimulated and organised.

Increased investment in productive development cannot alone guarantee permanent progress. The adoption of the most modern methods and techniques in production, efficient management, and the will to work harder at all levels of activity, in the manager's office no less than on the factory floor, are also essential.

Financial policy must be in harmony with the objective of stimulating a higher level of investment, that is to say, it must encourage savings and help their canalisation into productive enterprise. Wage policy, of employers and workers, must be directed towards maintaining competitive costs by facilitating the rise of productivity. Banks and insurance companies must join with the Government in providing long-term capital for industry, through the Industrial Credit Company or otherwise, and provide the shorter-term credits required by progressive firms, if their trade expansion is to be made possible.

In that connection, I should like to welcome the announcement made last week by the chairman of one important Irish assurance company, the New Ireland Assurance Company, of that concern's willingness to provide capital for industry. I should also mention with approval the movement which is gaining momentum and which began, I believe, amongst the workers employed by the firm of Messrs. Arthur Guinness and Co., to save in an organised way for the purpose of creating new capital, to establish new employment-giving industries. That development is a most encouraging sign, both of the growing understanding of the character of the national problem and of the desire to do something practical about it.

While it is in agriculture that the immediate potentialities of increased production are greatest, the expansion of industrial activity is necessary to achieve a better balance in the economy, and is beyond argument, the most speedy means of improving employment prospects.

We can no longer rely for industrial development, to the extent we require it, on the policy of protection. Export trade is most essential to our industrial growth and in its development we can apply the policy of attracting external investment into Irish industry and encourage the advent of foreign industrialists bringing with them new skills and techniques, and established market contacts.

Restrictive practices of a character which operate to the detriment of industrial progress must be eliminated by a more enlightened approach by employers and by workers to the requirements of a developing economy. Joint consultation leading to common policy in these matters must be encouraged. Following on a statement which I made during the course of the Budget debate, I had a discussion last week with the representatives of the United Trade Union Organisation on the practicability of examining, on an industry basis, the possibilities and problems of achieving expanded production and employment. It is too soon to say what may prove to be possible in that regard, but I consider that the definition in general discussion of reliable targets for expansion of industrial activities would be both a help and a stimulus.

The measures taken, and being taken, to encourage and induce greater industrial development are already well known to the House. An intensified drive is now being made to attract external industrial participation, in new forms of industrial activity particularly those with export possibilities. That drive is being organised by the Industrial Development Authority who have informed me that their experience so far entitles them to be optimistic as to the eventual outcome. I have no doubt that the announcement of the Government's intention to extend the period of the tax relief for exports profits to ten years will give increased impetus to that campaign. The Industrial Development Authority are actively pursuing their efforts to attract industrialists from U.S.A., Britain and Europe, and already a number of firms have started or have decided to start here. As the House is aware, the object of the Industrial Development (Encouragement of External Investment) Bill is to encourage and facilitate external capital investment in the establishment of industrial projects aimed at the development of exports.

Government policy and Government action can achieve a certain amount, but unless supported by the whole-hearted co-operation of all the interests concerned, satisfactory progress will not be realised. There are very encouraging signs that industrial managements and industrial trade unions alike are becoming increasingly aware of the necessity for reaching and maintaining the highest standards of efficiency and productivity if we are to expand our economy and provide full employment at home for our people.

In that connection I think I should refer to the technical assistance scheme for industry. Under an agreement entered into with the U.S. Government, a sum of money was provided out of the Grant Counterpart Fund for the purpose of making available to industrial firms grants towards the cost of engaging industrial consultants and technical experts, with a view to improving efficiency and productivity. The amount set aside from the Counterpart Fund proved to be insufficient to meet the demand which was in itself satisfactory and the Government, in consideration of the importance of measures designed to achieve higher standards of production, decided to provide an additional sum out of which technical assistance grants may be made in the current financial year. These grants will, in general, be made on the basis of one-third of the total cost of each technical assistance project.

During the past year the Undeveloped Areas (Amendment) Act, 1957, became law, and under that legislation the maximum aggregate of grants which can be made by An Foras Tionscal for the establishment of factories in the undeveloped areas was increased from £2,000,000 to £4,000,000. During the year the volume of grants approved by An Foras Tionscal for industrial development in these western areas continued to increase and amounted to £876,960 compared with £497,900 in the previous financial year. On 31st March last, the total commitments of An Foras Tionscal in respect of grants under that Act amounted to £2,078,588, of which £710,348 had been paid, leaving outstanding commitments of £1,368,210.

Up to now 32 projects which have reached the production stage were assisted by An Foras Tionscal and employ at present about 1,500 persons. It is expected that in the course of their normal development the employment given by them will rise to 3,000 persons. There are 21 further projects in respect of which assistance has been promised but which have not yet reached the production stage. Certain of the industries assisted by An Foras Tionscal have already entered the export field.

A number of projects which have not yet reached the production stage have been planned primarily on an export basis and if the promoters' plans come to fruition these projects should make a significant contribution to our export potential.

Under the Industrial Grants Act, 1956, the Industrial Development Authority approved of grants totalling £193,850 of which £9,000 was actually paid leaving outstanding commitments of £184,850 at the end of the previous financial year. It is, perhaps, worthy of note and may be of interest to the Dáil, that a substantial number of the applications received by the authority for grants under that Acts so far did not come within the ambit of the Act.

There exists, perhaps, a position which we can, and must at some future time, examine. There has been some recent comment to the effect that we have too many authorities concerned with industrial development. Because I have examined the position, I think I can say that nothing has been lost or unduly delayed for that reason. I think there is a situation existing which needs looking into and I intend to do that.

The general fall in the world price of metals has caused some setback in mineral exploration and developments in this country. Some of the exploratory work which has been proceeding has now ceased and a couple of producing mines have ceased production. I think that it is reasonably certain that metal prices must recover at some time, and we can hope that it will be fairly soon so that exploration and production will be resumed in the areas which have been affected by the fall in world prices.

As Deputies are aware, a loan of over £1,300,000 has been guaranteed in favour of St. Patrick's Copper Mines Ltd. in connection with the development of the copper deposits at Avoca. The company is proceeding with its plans for the development of the deposits and it is expected that the mines will be ready to go into production about August or September next. It is to be presumed that the policy of the company to which the mine has been leased, in regard to the commencement of production, will be decided in the light of the world market price trend for copper which then prevails. It is to be hoped that there will be before then a substantial rise in the world price for copper which, as we know, fell to very low levels of late. There have been some signs of recovery in recent weeks, but the price has not yet risen to the point which the management of the mines regard as their "break-even" level.

A technical assistance scheme of coal exploration in the Leinster and Connaught coalfields will shortly be launched. The scheme will be financed by an E.C.A. grant of £80,000 from the Counterpart Fund. It is hoped that this scheme will reveal valuable new deposits of coal both in the vicinity of existing coal mines and in virgin ground. The main emphasis will be in the Leinster coalfields area. The scheme which will take about three years to complete will also include experiments in coal cleaning techniques. It is hoped that, as a result of this scheme, we shall be able eventually to procure from home sources our total requirements of anthracite coal and perhaps have an exportable surplus. Other proposals for the fuller investigation of the country's natural resources are also under consideration.

In regard to the oil refinery project, construction work has since commenced, the first two stages being the erection of tankage and the construction of the marine terminal. It is expected that the refinery will come "on stream" about the middle of next year.

The output of Bord na Móna for the year ended 31st March, 1958, was 820,000 tons of sod peat of which 450,000 tons were for production of electricity, 530,000 tons of milled peat for power stations, 32,000 tons of briquettes and 200,000 bales of peat moss. The present programme is directed towards achieving by 1960 an annual production of 960,000 tons of sod peat, of which 500,000 tons will be for production of electricity and an annual production of 250,000 tons of briquettes. By 1962, it is expected that there will be an annual production of 1,200,000 tons of milled peat for power stations and 350,000 bales of peat moss.

These targets allow for the peat required for the new power station at Bellacorick, County Mayo, which the E.S.B. expect will be in operation early in 1963. It will be noted that about 50 per cent. of the sod peat production is required for electricity generation. Since mid-1957 the board has been conducting a very vigorous sales drive in order to increase its sales to industrial and commercial consumers.

The first of the new briquetting factories at Boora, County Offaly, is expected to be in production in July, 1959, and the second factory at Derrygreenagh, will be in operation by January, 1960. Each of these factories will produce 100,000 tons of briquettes a year.

New markets continue to be found for peat moss and production has been expanding accordingly. New production units are being added at the factory in Kilberry and it is hoped to achieve an output of 300,000 bales per annum in a few years' time. In addition, a new peat-moss bog has been acquired at Coolnamona, County Leix, where it is hoped to attain an annual output of 150,000 bales. About 80 per cent. to 85 per cent. of all peat moss produced by the board is intended for export markets. Approximately 150,000 bales of peat moss, value £114,000, were exported in 1957 as compared with 105,000 bales in 1956.

I stated last year that it was my intention to have the E.S.B. programme, which had been revised in 1956, reconsidered. I referred particularly to the possibility of taking stations using imported fuel out of commission for a time in order to permit of the construction of further milled peat stations. The matter was subsequently investigated. The Government decided that the erection of the peat-burning station at Bangor-Erris should be proceeded with in the knowledge that, if the rate of growth in demand for electricity should remain below 7 per cent. per annum for the next few years, the commissioning of the station in 1963 might require that existing imported fuel stations might have to be taken temporarily out of use.

In recent months, however, there has been a most encouraging improvement in the rate of growth of demand for electricity and I am informed that this is now proceeding at a rate of 7 per cent. per annum. A recent O.E.E.C. report indicates that in West Europe generally consumption of electricity is expected to expand at 7 per cent. per annum so that we are back again to the European average. We need to do much better of course, because the same report shows our per capita consumption of electricity is the fourth lowest in Western Europe. At the present rate of growth in demand, the Bellacorick station will be fully required on the date of its completion in 1963. In addition, further generating capacity will be required by 1964.

Apart from Bellacorick, work is at present proceeding on the following generating stations: Ferbane milled peat station—the last of the three 20-megawatt generating sets is nearing completion. Rhode milled peat station—two sets of 20-megawatt are under construction and the station is due for commissioning in 1960-61. Arigna, which is to burn Irish coal and where the 15-megawatt station will be commissioned in the next few weeks. It will provide a ready market for about 40,000 tons of Arigna coal per annum. Lanesboro' sod peat station of 20-megawatts, will be commissioned also in the next few weeks, and the Clady hydro-electric scheme, is due for commissioning in October-November next.

By March, 1958, the last of the four small generating stations to burn hand-won turf was commissioned at Gweedore, County Donegal. These stations will provide a market for surplus hand-won turf available in the main turf-producing areas of Counties Donegal, Galway, Clare and Kerry. Each station is designed to consume a maximum of 30,000 tons of turf per annum, for which the E.S.B. will pay approximately £70,000. Firm prices are offered by the board and, in addition, an attractive prepayment scheme has been announced in each area under which producers receive a portion of the purchase price at various stages of production. Bord na Móna recently reported to me that the purchasing operations of the E.S.B. in these areas should introduce a worthwhile element of stability into the hand-won turf market.

With the completion of the North Mayo station in 1963 the latest E.S.B. generating capacity will be 768.5 megawatts of which 479 megawatts or 62 per cent. will consist of plant based upon native resources. Last year, 80 areas were completed under the rural electrification scheme. On 1st April, this year, 184 areas remained for development. All the more populous areas have now been developed and the areas remaining are those which, for one reason or another, were considered to be the least economic. The Government have accordingly decided that the 50 per cent. capital subsidy should be restored with effect as from 1st April this year for the development of these remaining areas. The necessary legislation will be enacted as soon as possible. The extension of supply to all areas will be completed within the next four years.

Our total exports in 1957 were valued at £131,000,000, the highest ever recorded. In volume our exports were greater in 1957 than in any year since 1930. Comparing 1957 with 1956 the value of our exports increased by £23,000,000, while the value of our imports rose only slightly, from £182.8 million to £184.8 million. The increase in the value of our exports was accordingly the main factor which accounted for the reduction in our import excess. It will be recalled that the import excess, which had reached the dangerously high figure of £96.8 million in 1955 had been somewhat reduced to £75,000,000 in 1956. In 1957, it was further reduced to £53.6 million.

The largest element contributing to the increase in the export figure was the great increase in exports of store cattle. There were also substantial increases in exports of fresh, chilled and frozen beef and veal, mutton and lamb, bacon and hams. These agricultural items are, of course, traditional exports and, perhaps, a more heartening sign is the fact that several industrial exports reached sizable increases. Among these industrial exports which increased in 1957 might be mentioned yarns, apparel, glass and motor vehicles.

The overall figures for 1957 and the comparison with former years, undoubtedly reduce anxieties about the immediate future. Nevertheless it is recognised that the large increase in exports in 1957 was due partly to a number of non-recurring factors. The balance of payments position still needs careful watching and we must make certain that the gains recorded will be maintained. A study of the monthly trade figures for 1957 and the first four months of 1958 shows that we are not yet out of the wood. While exports in all but one months of the first three-quarters of 1957 were higher than in the corresponding months of 1956 the improvement slowed down in the last quarter of 1957.

Coincident with that slowing down in exports, our imports in the months of the last quarter of 1957 were greater than in the months of the last quarter of 1956. The result was that in the last quarter of 1957, our import excess was greater than in the last quarter of 1956. Similarly our import excess in the first four months of this year was greater than in the corresponding period of 1957. That reflects a drop in our cattle exports, but is no doubt also attributable to the higher level of industrial activity and the effect of wage increases on consumption expenditure.

The Minister has not yet got the May figures?

No. There is nothing exceptional to report regarding trade agreements except the difficulties experienced in reaching agreement for the re-entry of Irish cattle and meat into Germany. For that reason, the exchange of notes relating to quotas for non-liberalised goods under the Trade Agreement with Germany was delayed and has only recently been effected. Trade Agreements with other countries are of a general and continuing nature, and yearly renegotiation is not necessary.

During the year, Córas Tráchtála Teoranta has extended its activities. Córas Tráchtála Teoranta was incorporated as a limited liability company in 1951. They have reached a stage where their future status and functions must be reviewed. I consider it to be desirable to endow Córas Tráchtála Teoranta with statutory permanence and with a continuing responsibility in all matters relating to export activity. I hope during the present year to promote legislation to that effect. There is difficulty in long-term planning for an organisation which is dependent upon an annual Dáil Vote. Staff problems arise also where no security exists.

As the Minister for Finance indicated in his Budget speech, it is intended to increase by £25,000 the Grants-in-Aid provided for Córas Tráchtála Teoranta in these Estimates. The extra £25,000 will, in due course, be the subject of a Supplementary Estimate and it will be used by Córas Tráchtála Teoranta to expand its activities and in particular to promote the sales of Irish whiskey abroad.

As Deputies are no doubt aware, the Committee on Company Law Reform has made its report and has recommended the making of numerous changes in the present state of that very important branch of the law. Examination of all the committee's proposals in detail with a view to the introduction of legislation where desirable will take some considerable time. In order, therefore, to avoid delay I propose to introduce, at an early date, a short Bill implementing some of the more urgent of the committee's proposals. A second Bill, dealing with such other recommendations as it may be decided to adopt, will be introduced later and I propose, finally, to introduce a Consolidation Bill which will gather all the law on the subject into one measure.

A need exists to review the law relating to the establishment and management of co-operative organisations. I am anxious that the opportunities for economic advancement which co-operation offers should be fully availed of and that there should be no impediment in the way of the development of the co-operative movement. I have, therefore, appointed a committee to examine the position and to indicate any alterations which they feel should be made in the existing law in order to promote co-operative effort in the non-agricultural sphere. That committee has commenced its deliberations.

The Restrictive Trade Practices Act, 1953, has now been in operation for almost five years. During that period the Fair Trade Commission have held five public inquiries and have made nineteen sets of Fair Trading Rules. Following public inquiries three Orders have been made and have been confirmed by Acts of the Oireachtas, the effect of which is to regulate in the public interest, conditions concerning the supply and distribution of radio sets, building material and motor cars. An Order has also been made in relation to the supply and distribution of grocery goods but that Order has not been confirmed by the Oireachtas. I am of the opinion that some of the provisions of the Order need to be altered and I propose to make an amending Order in the near future. Then the Oireachtas will be asked to pass confirming legislation in due course.

The Restrictive Trade Practices Act, as I said, has now been in operation long enough to enable some opinion to be formed concerning its scope and its suitability. In general, I think it is fair to say that the machinery of the Act has proved to be satisfactory. Substantial progress has been made in eliminating some of the more objectionable kinds of restrictive trade practices. The time has come, however, in my view, to review its provisions, in the light of the dual requirements of policy: on the one hand to eliminate all unfair restrictions and restraints which are harmful to the public interests, and, on the other hand, to promote a healthy competition with a minimum of official regulation.

Perhaps it may be appropriate to recall here that the members of the Fair Trade Commission constitute the Tribunal of Inquiry into cross-Channel freight rates which was established by resolution of both Houses last November. That inquiry has just been completed.

It became clear during the first half of last year that workers would press for a further round of wage increases. In view of the overwhelming importance, in the national interest, of securing an orderly settlement of wage claims, and to ensure that due regard should be had to the national economic situation, and to the need to safeguard employment and production and to avoid rises in prices, I had discussions on the subject with the United Trade Union Organisation and with the Federated Union of Employers. Consequent on these discussions the two organisations undertook direct negotiations which ultimately resulted in the conclusion of a national wages agreement. It would not be correct to say that the implementation of the agreement proceeded without some problems arising but, on the whole, I think we can congratulate ourselves on the fact that a difficult period of adjustment was completed without any serious trade disputes arising from that cause.

I think also that insufficient attention has been directed as yet to the fact that, as our statistics show, increased earnings under that national wage agreement have been almost exactly compensated by the rise in productivity with the result that, so far as industry as a whole is concerned, labour costs per unit of output have remained stable and its competitive position has not been seriously impaired.

Economists tell us that in a healthy progressive country increases in productivity should run ahead of rises in wages but, having regard to the contrary consequences which followed upon the 1955 round of wage increases, our present experience is a matter for very widespread satisfaction.

The Labour Court has continued its work of promoting industrial peace. During last year, the court considered 196 trade disputes. A substantial number of these disputes were settled at conciliation conferences but the court made recommendations in 110 cases and it is pleasant to be able to report that the majority of these recommendations were accepted by both the employers and workers concerned.

One of the most important disputes dealt with by the court in recent years was the recent one in the shipping industry. The court's recommendations in that dispute were accepted by all the parties concerned, and I am sure that Deputies will join with me in expressing the hope that it will help to the establishment of an era of stable and peaceful relations in that most important industry.

Deputies are aware that, at the request of the trade union interests, I have referred to the court for investigation the dispute between dockers and shipping interests in connection with container traffic at the Dublin port. That dispute has dragged on for a long time now, and I sincerely trust that the parties to it will co-operate fully with the court's efforts to work out a reasonable and equitable settlement, which will be effective in increasing trade through the Port of Dublin.

As in previous years I have made provision in the Estimates for the attendance of an Irish delegation at the International Labour Conference at Geneva which is now proceeding. The Government has decided to ratify the convention dealing with the abolition of forced labour. That will bring the total number of I.L.O. Conventions ratified by Ireland to 39, which is quite a commendable record.

For some years now Stagiaire Agreements have been in operation between Ireland, France and Switzerland. Towards the end of 1957 a similar agreement was concluded with Sweden and I hope that, in the near future, further agreements will be concluded with the Netherlands and Germany.

These agreements facilitate young persons, who wish to spend a period of training abroad, to secure employment in the countries with which we have these agreements. During last year, 31 Irish trainees went to France and Switzerland, while 25 foreign trainees came here. It is regrettable that so few Irish hotel proprietors and people concerned in other businesses have so far availed of the opportunities presented by these agreements for the training of their employees on the Continent. The arrangements should be particularly helpful to the Irish hotel industry in improving the standards of efficiency in catering and service.

The agreements should also be of interest to Irish industry in general. The probable emergence of a European Free Trade Area underlines the need for the greatest possible degree of efficiency for there can be no doubt that trading conditions in such an area will be highly competitive, and will present a very strong challenge to Irish industry.

I hope that in future years a greater use will be made of the facilities to which I have referred.

A very useful development of the work of such bodies as the European Productivity Agency is the holding of Seminars both in Europe and the United States at which trade union officials discuss and study various aspects of labour-management relations. The Irish trade union movement has sent representatives to attend these Seminars, and I understand that the Seminars are regarded by the trade unions as a most valuable method of keeping in touch with current international thinking and practice for the development of harmonious relations in industry.

In that connection, I might mention that, during the year, I received a request from the European Productivity Agency to co-operate with them in a project for research work in connection with human problems in industry arising out of technological advances. I have requested the Irish Management Institute to explore the possibility of co-operating with the European Productivity Agency in the matter, and I understand that the institute has had preliminary discussions with the various interests concerned with a view to setting up a national committee to look into the subject.

The new Factories Act, which came into operation in October, 1956, is working satisfactorily and, on the whole, factory occupiers have made reasonable efforts to bring their plant and premises into conformity with the revised safety, health and welfare requirements.

I must confess, however, that I am rather disappointed with the progress in regard to the establishment of safety committees under the Act. These committees are of a voluntary kind, set up by the workers themselves to promote safety in factories, and the idea is that they should work in close liaison with both the occupier and the factory inspectors. Last year, there were over 1,800 accidents in industry, although fortunately only a small number proved fatal. Many of these accidents might have been avoided if workers in general had been more "safety conscious".

The establishment of safety committees deserves to be encouraged by all concerned and there is no doubt that these committees have a very important rôle to play in reducing the incidence of accidents, which apart from having tragic consequences for the worker and his family, can represent a serious economic loss to employers and the nation as a whole.

As the House only recently debated the provisions of the Office Premises Act, I do not think I need go over the ground again. The purpose of the Act is to provide for the safety, health and welfare of office workers. A number of representative public-minded persons have agreed to act on the advisory council provided for by the Act. The council has already held two meetings and is now settling down to the important task of determining the nature and scope of the regulations necessary for the smooth and effective working of the Act, which I hope to bring into force early next year.

I have long urged the need for fairly extensive revision of our legislation dealing with apprenticeship. The Apprenticeship Act of 1931 did not achieve the measure of success which was hoped for it—and indeed hardly any measure of success at all—and only four trades are at present designated under the Act. It is, of course, of the utmost importance that our potential craftsmen should have the opportunity of being trained to the highest standards; indeed, our success in a free trade area would in no small degree depend upon the skill of our workers. The proposals for new legislation which I foreshadowed last year are being developed and I should greatly welcome the views of employers, workers and of educational interests on that very important subject.

I had contemplated reporting very fully with regard to the proposed Free Trade Area negotiations. The House is aware, however, that the recent parliamentary crisis in France brought these negotiations to a stop. It is not known when they may be resumed nor, indeed, have we yet any knowledge as to the attitude of the new French Government to the whole conception of a European Free Trade Area.

In memoranda released to the public, in replies to Parliamentary Questions, and in a statement I made during a debate in the House, I have endeavoured to keep the Dáil and the public generally informed of the progress of events. It is scarcely necessary for me, therefore, on this Estimate to go into the history of the negotiations or to enumerate the various differences of approach to problems which have tended to slow down discussions.

I shall, therefore, confine myself to some comments on what appear to me to be the most important aspects of the project from the point of view of this country.

At this stage, I should perhaps again make it clear that, while as members of the O.E.E.C. the Government are participating in the negotiations, a decision on the question of joining a Free Trade Area has not been taken by the Government. Such decision will be taken only when the conditions attaching to membership for Ireland are known and when the Government and the country can weigh fully both the advantages and disadvantages. The Government's decision must, of course, be submitted to the Dáil for ratification. The Government's principal aim in taking part in the discussions is to secure that the terms of whatever convention may be drawn up will have regard to the special conditions which exist in this country.

In the simplest form, an agreement to join a Free Trade Area means an undertaking progressively to reduce and ultimately to abolish all tariffs, import quotas and all other restrictions on trade from the other member countries of the area. At the same time, of course, the other member countries would be progressively reducing and eventually removing their tariffs, quotas and trade restrictions on goods exported from this country.

The proposals for a European Free Trade Area were first put forward during the period of office of the last Government and, on their decision, the Council of the O.E.E.C. were advised that Ireland could consider membership of a Free Trade Area only on the basis of getting special treatment as a country in process of economic development. There is not much room for disagreement as to the likely effect on Irish industry of a dismantling of our tariffs over the next 12 to 15 years in accordance with the timetable which is visualised for members generally and we, therefore, submitted to the O.E.E.C. working party, which was set up to consider the position of the less developed countries, a formal case for a postponement of the obligations to scale down protective measures until such time as increased industrialisation had brought the economy of the country to a state of balance comparable with that of the more advanced countries of Europe.

That working party have since been considering our case. Similar requests for special treatment were made to the working party by Greece, Turkey and Iceland. Until the working party have reported and until their report is considered by the inter-governmental committee, it is not possible for me to give an indication of the possible outcome of our submission.

I may say, however, that I personally have found among the delegates of the other countries in Paris an appreciation of our efforts to secure a balanced development of our economy through the creation of more industries and the expansion of existing units; I have found also some evidence of a genuine desire to help us by giving us special concessions. I am hopeful, therefore, that the present deliberations, if they are resumed, and when they are concluded, will result in our being given facilities to enable the economy to be further strengthened before being called on to bear the full obligations of a Free Trade Area, should we join it.

We have, also, a very keen interest in benefiting from any financial arrangements which may be made for assisting industrial expansion in countries still in the process of development. A team of financial experts who are examining this aspect in detail has recently visited this country. The experts will report to the working party who in turn will make recommendations to the inter-governmental committee on any special financial provisions which should be made for Ireland as well as for the other countries involved. It is too soon yet even to forecast what the nature of any such recommendations may be.

The position of agriculture and agricultural products in a Free Trade Area continues to be uncertain. Deputies will remember that the proposals for a Free Trade Area as originally put forward by the British Government applied to industrial products only. Deputies will be aware also of the debates which took place on that aspect of the proposals last year culminating in a full discussion by the Council of the O.E.E.C. in October, 1957, and the adoption by the council of a resolution declaring, among other things, the determination of member countries to reach agreement on methods of further co-operation between all member countries in agricultural matters with a view to ensuring the expansion of trade in agricultural products.

Although there are varying views among O.E.E.C. member countries regarding the treatment of agricultural products in a Free Trade Area it is evident that whatever régime is drawn up for such products it will not be "free trade" as the term is understood in industry.

In accordance with the resolution just mentioned, the British Government formulated proposals for liberalising European trade in agricultural products. These proposals were designed to reduce agricultural trade barriers gradually and in a manner which would take into account such factors as the important part which agriculture plays socially, politically and economically in all European countries, the need for market stability, and the desirability of preserving and strengthening existing trade links.

Although the removal of tariffs as well as other barriers to trade was visualised, the British Government made it clear that they themselves could not abandon tariff protection for agricultural products. They visualised that they would be given a waiver from any obligations that might be laid down for the removal of agricultural tariffs. The British proposals were put before the Inter-Governmental Committee in January, 1958, and must be presumed to be still under consideration.

One other aspect of the Free Trade Area proposals to which I should refer is their possible impact on Anglo-Irish trade relations and on the trade agreement with Britain. Deputies are familiar with the main provisions of this agreement. One of its main benefits is that it formally guarantees entry into Britain free of duty of a variety of Irish goods, agricultural and industrial, which are subject to customs duties or other restrictions when imported from countries on the Continent.

So far as our industrial exports are concerned one of the inevitable consequences—an unfortunate one from our point of view—of a Free Trade Area Agreement as hitherto visualised would be that the duties applied by Britain to continental goods would be progressively reduced and ultimately eliminated, thereby depriving a substantial proportion of our exports of the preferential treatment which they are at present entitled to receive under the Anglo-Irish trade agreement. It should be noted that this result would be consequential on adherence by Britain to a European Free Trade Area, and would follow no matter whether we joined or not.

On agriculture, Deputies are aware that under the trade agreement, our products on entry to Britain are given certain treatment which is more favourable than that given to continental products. Any liberalising of British arrangements affecting the importation of agricultural products from the Continent might affect the value of the agricultural provisions of the trade agreement.

The Government are fully alive to the possible consequences on our trading relations with Britain of the conclusion of a Free Trade Area Agreement which did not take fully into account the very special nature of those relations. Discussions on this subject have taken place with British Ministers. Deputies will appreciate that it is not possible at this stage to give any detailed account of those discussions.

If I have dwelt somewhat on the anxieties associated with the Free Trade Area proposals, that does not mean that I am unaware of the opportunities which the removal of barriers to trade in Europe could present to producers of goods capable of standing up to competition abroad. Already a number of Irish industries are exporting to European countries, even if only to a limited extent, despite the operation of tariffs in those countries. Such firms might look forward with confidence to a Free Trade Area.

Other Irish industries already capable of meeting full home needs are taking heart from the experiences of those who have pioneered external markets and are addressing themselves to the task of expanding sales by developing foreign business. Some who have successfully embarked on export in recent years have told me that the only reason why they were not in export business earlier was because they had never tried.

Whether the present negotiations result in the setting up of a Free Trade Area in Europe or not, it is, I think, evident that conditions favourable to the freer movement of goods will emerge in the years to come. Our manufacturers will have the chance of exploiting those conditions. The Government have made valuable facilities available to manufacturers exporting and to those planning export business. It is to be hoped that full advantage will be taken of those facilities.

The Estimate of £3,788,410 for Transport and Marine services for the year 1958-59 compares with a total— including a substantial Supplementary Estimate—of £5,619,390 granted in 1957-58. The provision for this year, therefore, shows a decrease of £1,830,980 as compared with the provision for last year.

The principal decreases are in the provisions for C.I.E. (sub-head A (1)) £1,642,000 and the G.N.R. Board (sub-head A (2)) £160,000. There is no provision in the Estimate for the Sligo, Leitrim and Northern Counties Railway which ceased operations in 1957-58.

The Minister of Commerce, Belfast, has indicated his intention of terminating as from 1st October, 1958, the Agreement for the joint operation of the G.N.R. undertaking. It is proposed that the operation of the undertaking here, apart from the Dundalk Works, will be transferred to C.I.E. Simultaneous and parallel legislation here and in the Six Counties will be necessary to deal with the dissolution of the undertaking and the amalgamation of our portion with C.I.E. This will be a separate Bill from that dealing with C.I.E. and general transport matters. The Bill has been introduced and will shortly be discussed here. Deputies will have an opportunity of discussing the affairs of the G.N.R. when the Bill is before the House.

The Dundalk Works have been taken over by a new company—the Dundalk Engineering Works, Ltd.—who have been charged with the duty of securing new industrial activity for the works with a view to maintaining the level of employment there. The company will continue to carry out work for the G.N.R. Board up to the end of September, 1958, after which they will carry out, to the greatest extent possible, the repair and maintenance of G.N.R. rail and rolling stock for C.I.E. The company have tendered for railway contracts abroad and have been successful in arranging for the transfer to the Dundalk Works of the manufacture of Heinkel cars. I hope that some further developments of a similar character can be announced later.

The provision of £419,000 for the G.N.R. appearing in this year's Estimate has been framed in the light of these circumstances. It includes £239,000 for our share of the operating losses, and capital expenditure from 1st April to 30th September, 1958. The balance of £180,000 is in respect of estimated losses on our portion of the undertaking from 1st October, 1958, to the end of the financial year. The necessary steps will have to be taken to transfer this sum to C.I.E. after they have taken over the G.N.R. service here.

The provisions made for C.I.E. in this year's Estimates are of a transitional nature and take into account as far as is possible the provisions of the new legislation which is now passing through this House.

The sum of £3,204,300 for C.I.E. is made up of £793,300 in respect of repayment to the Central Fund of advances to meet interest payments on transport stock in last year; £1,191,000 for expenditure chargeable to revenue and £1,220,000 for capital expenditure. The provision for expenditure chargeable to revenue includes a further sum of £793,300 to enable C.I.E. to meet interest payments on transport stock in this year. Under the existing legislation, this sum would be advanced to C.I.E. from the Central Fund in this year and if not repaid by C.I.E. would be recouped to the Central Fund out of the Vote for 1959-60. In view of the changes proposed in the new legislation, this liability will be met from the Vote this year.

Interest charges due by C.I.E. to the Exchequer amounting to £354,000 will not be collected this year and it is intended that C.I.E. should be permanently relieved of these charges under the new legislation. There has also been a reduction in estimated capital expenditure in the coming year due to the reduction in the dieselisation programme, which is nearly completed.

For these reasons and because last year's Estimates contained a non-recurring provision for the repayment of £803,000 to the Central Fund in respect of an advance made to discharge guaranteed borrowing by the board there is a total reduction of £1.6 million on the provision for C.I.E. in 1957-58. I should make it clear that this reduction does not reflect any expected improvement in the board's operating position during the course of the year.

A provision of £249,335 is made for grants for harbour improvement works. The amount voted last year was £236,410, but owing to some unexpected difficulties in the placing of certain contracts, the amount expended was only £93,053. The big back-log of work left over from the war years has very largely been overtaken, but work will still be proceeding at about 12 harbours.

The provision for this year includes about £30,000 for dredging and it also includes a sum of more than £100,000 for the dredger which is being built at the Liffey Dockyard for the Limerick Harbour Commissioners but which will be available for work at other west coast harbours as well as at Limerick. Considerable work will also be in progress at Waterford, Wicklow and several other harbours and I hope that a contract will have been placed for works at Galway. Proposals for development at Drogheda Harbour, where there has been continuous commercial development in recent years, are at present under examination. The works at Arklow are virtually complete.

In addition to the grants for harbour improvement works which are made from the Vote for Transport and Marine Services, provision is also made from the National Development Fund for non-voted capital services for some £197,800 for works at Dublin, Cork and Limerick Harbours.

Deputies will be aware of the very severe slump in freight rates which has been a feature of the world shipping industry over the past few months and which as yet shows no sign of reversal. As a result of this slump, some millions of tons of shipping are being laid up all over the world or are being operated at altogether uneconomic rates. Irish shipowners generally cannot remain immune from the effects of the world-wide slump. Irish Shipping Limited, who are engaged in tramp shipping which is the most highly competitive of all trades are, perhaps, more fortunate than some of their competitors in that most of the ships in their fleet are modern and a number of vessels were chartered upon satisfactory terms before the recession in freights set in. The company hope that these fortunate circumstances will materially help them in weathering the present storm, though unfortunately it has been necessary to lay up two of their ships temporarily.

Normally a shipping company would hope to have reserves accumulated from the years of profitable operation which would enable them to meet these periodical reverses. Unfortunately, Irish Shipping Limited are not in this position. The company was set up in 1941 with a capital of £200,000. From then until 1955, no further capital was subscribed by the Minister for Finance, but the company financed the acquisition of new tonnage to the value of £3.4 million solely from profits. Since 1955, the Minister for Finance has subscribed £4.8 million and Irish Shipping Limited have provided another £2.2 million towards the cost of new ships. The present position is, therefore, that the company possesses a fleet which cost £11.4 million of which only £5,000,000 has been subscribed in capital by the State. That result, while very satisfactory from one point of view, prevented the accumulation by the company of reserve funds with which to meet the onslaught of this recession.

The company is acquiring two 18,000 ton tankers. One of these tankers has been delivered at a cost of £1.6 million and is now operating on a satisfactory charter arranged some time ago. Delivery of the second tanker is expected in the middle of next year, at a cost of £1.7 million.

The company arranged to finance the purchase of these tankers by means of guaranteed borrowing and to meet repayments from operating profits. Owing to the slump in freights, it may not be possible, however, for the company to adhere fully to that arrangement. The maximum authorised capital of the company under the Act passed in 1947 is £5,000,000, which is now fully subscribed. It is anticipated, therefore, that it will be necessary to provide by new legislation for an increase in the authorised capital to a figure which will enable the company to meet their capital commitments and which would be more in keeping with the value of their assets, amounting to over £13,000,000.

To encourage and facilitate the expansion of the shipping industry generally, provision was made in the Finance Act, last year, for a special investment allowance against taxation of 40 per cent. of capital expenditure on new ships in place of the previous initial allowance of 20 per cent. Since the introduction of these concessions five new ships, ranging from 600 tons d.w. to 1,800 tons d.w. have been ordered by private Irish owners. I understand that the decision to place these orders was largely influenced by these taxation concessions.

The Estimate of £528,750 for Aviation and Meteorological Services for the year 1958-59 compares with a total of £316,360 granted in 1957-58. The provision for this year, therefore, shows an increase of £212,390 as compared with the sum granted last year.

The principal increases are in the provisions for constructional work at Shannon Airport, £132,000; Dublin Airport, £108,000; and Cork Airport, £24,000. Other increases amount to £36,000. The total increase is, however, offset by an increase of £86,160 in Appropriations-in-Aid, together with miscellaneous decreases amounting to £1,400.

During the past year, the north apron at Dublin Airport was extended to provide increased accommodation for aircraft; an extension to the south apron is now in the course of construction. This year provision is made for additional building accommodation to cater for the growth of passenger and cargo traffic. During 1957, over 10,800 aircraft used the airport. These aircraft carried almost 500,000 passengers and over 8,300 tons of freight and mail. The total number of passengers who passed through the airport last year was a record for the airport. British European Airways commenced scheduled services from London, Manchester and Birmingham to Dublin in April of last year. In addition, Sabena, the Belgian Airlines, commenced a service from Brussels to Dublin and B.K.S. Air Transport Ltd., a British independent company, commenced a service on the Newcastle-Dublin route.

With a view to reducing the operating deficit at this airport, the landing fees were increased in October of last year. This increase in fees, together with the growth of traffic, is expected to bring in an additional £20,000 approximately in a full year.

The Government decided in April last year to provide a new runway at Shannon to accommodate the long-range jet aircraft which are to be brought into use on the North Atlantic route over the next few years. The total cost of the runway and related works is estimated at £1,000,000. I hope work on the project will commence in July and that the new runway will be ready for use in 1960. It is expected that an intermediate type of jet aircraft will be introduced on the North Atlantic before the end of this year, but that type of jet aircraft is not as heavy as the long-range type which will come into general use on the route in about two years' time. Subject to certain limitations as to the all-up weight of the aircraft, the intermediate type jets will use the existing runway at Shannon.

An extension to the transit lounge at Shannon is being effected to meet immediate passenger accommodation requirements, and a new building, which will be used for freight and other purposes, is also being put up.

Over 10,600 aircraft landed at Shannon Airport last year and they carried about 450,000 passengers and over 15,000 tons of freight and mail. Ten foreign airlines operate scheduled services through the airport and a number of other airlines also use the airport regularly.

It is expected that the introduction of the new economy class fares, which came into operation on the transatlantic route at the beginning of April last, will result in an increase in traffic through Shannon Airport this year.

For the financial year ended 31st March, 1957, total revenue at the airport was £585,000 and expenditure amounted to £473,700. The operation of the airport last year therefore showed an operating surplus of £111,300.

In view of the plans of the airlines to introduce long-range jet aircraft on the North Atlantic, the Government have felt it prudent to take steps to counter any possible diminution of activity and employment at the airport. Accordingly, we decided in October last that the Shannon Free Airport Development Authority should be established and be charged with responsibility for special measures to promote the development of transit traffic through the airport, the development of tourist facilities at and near the airport in order to promote terminal traffic, and the development of freight traffic at the airport. The comptroller of sales and catering is the chief executive of the authority.

Deputies will be aware that the development authority there has undertaken a Press and publicity campaign in this country and abroad, with a view to attracting industry to the airport area. Already they have received a number of positive inquiries about the possibilities of establishing industries at the airport. About 250 acres of land are available for development as industrial sites.

As indicated by the Minister for Finance in his Budget speech, legislation is being prepared to provide for the complete exemption from taxation for a 25 year period of profits derived from new bóna fide export businesses using air freight and established within the confines of the free airport. It has been announced that, although Shannon Airport is not at present scheduled as an undeveloped area under the Undeveloped Areas Acts, favourable consideration would be given to the bringing of the airport area within the scope of the Acts so as to enable grants to be given towards the establishment of industries, provided definite proposals for the establishment of such industries emerge. Expenditure on the activities of the authority will be met from the surplus on the sales and catering service.

In June last the Government authorised the acquisition of the necessary land for the construction of an airport at Cork and the preparation of detailed plans for the airport. The acquisition of the land is proceeding. It is proposed to construct two runways with suitable lighting, navigation and landing aids and an appropriate terminal building. I hope that construction on the site will commence next year and that the airport will be ready for use by 1961.

Aer Lingus has continued to expand its activities. It has extended its services to Switzerland and Italy and to Belgium and Germany and it has also opened a new route to Rome via Lourdes this year.

During the past year, the company has encountered the diversionary effect on its traffic of the services introduced last year by British European Airways on certain routes to Britain and by the Belgian Airline on the route Brussels to Dublin. In the circumstances, the company anticipate temporary financial repercussions. The financial results for 1957 are not yet available but the loss, if any, will not, I hope, be serious.

Apart from the decision to equip Shannon Airport to enable it to cater for jet aircraft, the most important decision taken in the sphere of civil aviation during the past year was the decision to initiate a transatlantic service. The aircraft used by Aerlinte are leased from the American Company, Seaboard & Western Airlines, at a fixed charge per mile flown, Seaboard & Western being responsible for all direct operating costs such as maintenance of the aircraft, fuel and oil, landing charges, insurance and crew costs. Seaboard & Western will provide the operating crews, but arrangements are being made to have Aer Lingus pilots fly as supernumeraries to obtain route experience, according as their duties allow. Aerlinte will be responsible for cabin personnel and service, for ticketing and passenger handling. The flights are, of course, under the licence and in the control of Aerlinte, and carry that company's insignia and markings.

It is difficult at this stage to make any close estimate of the operating revenue and expenditure until the new service has been in operation for a reasonable time. Operating experience in this year will enable estimates of future results to be made. However, the aircraft hire charge is such as will enable the Aerlinte service to operate profitably, if it can achieve the same average year-round utilisation of seats as has been experienced by all companies operating on transatlantic routes.

The Estimate for Tourism shows an increase of £40,000 on the sum granted for last year. When the Tourist Traffic Bill, 1957, was being discussed here, I reviewed the position of the tourist industry in considerable detail and I do not think it necessary, therefore, to go into that detail again now. Tourism continues to be one of the main supports of the national economy and it would be difficult to find anywhere in the Estimates for the Public Services an investment of the order of £500,000 which has potentialities capable of comparison with the benefits which can accrue to the national economy from the development of the tourist traffic industry.

I mentioned, however, during the debates on that Bill that I had under consideration certain aspects of the tourist industry, other than those which were dealt with then. These matters are ones of some complexity, and their examination has not yet been completed. It is possible that further legislative proposals affecting the tourist industry will have to be brought to the House in due course.

I mentioned, however, in the course of the Budget debate that the Government has decided to provide further financial facilities to encourage the expansion of hotel facilities in tourist areas. The scheme will be in addition to the system of guaranteeing loans for hotels and will be administered by Bord Fáilte. The broad outlines of the scheme have recently been announced in the Press.

With a view to tapping sources of tourist business not available to C.I.E. and thus to bring additional tourists into the country, it has been arranged that certain external motor coach tours will be permitted to operate in Ireland in this and future tourist seasons. These tours have been admitted on the conditions that they will be of a duration of not less than four nights' stay within the country, that they will be confined to persons normally resident abroad who have made advance reservations, and that the inclusive charge for transport, accommodation and other services in Ireland will not exceed £3 5s. per day in the period 1st May to 30th September, or £3 per day outside that period.

Nine applications for licences to operate these tours have been approved to date. These applications were examined in consultation with Bord Fáilte and C.I.E., and were found to comply in all respects with the conditions laid down. The admission of these tours will bring business to 22 additional hotels not previously utilised by C.I.E. tours for overnight stops. However, finally to remove any apprehensions about the possible effect of the admission of these tours on C.I.E. operations, I am glad to be able to say that C.I.E. recently announced that they expect a 50 per cent. increase in this year as compared with last year in bookings for their own tours.

The activities of the Department of Industry and Commerce, as Deputies know, cover a very wide field and, indeed, include activities which I have not mentioned at all and which I could not mention without making this statement even more protracted than it is. I will, of course, try to give Deputies any information about these other activities of the Department which they may desire to have if they indicate that desire during the course of the debate.

I move:—

That the Estimate be referred back for reconsideration.

In considering this Estimate, it is probably well to dwell shortly on the areas in which there is agreement on the matters which fall for discussion. For that reason, I listened with some interest to the Minister outlining the Government's policy on industrial development and on the prerequisites which he considered essential for progress and development.

When we are reviewing the results of the Department's work for the past year and considering industrial development and policy generally, the time is opportune to consider what has been accomplished and to decide, where possible, what further steps are necessary for expansion of industrial development and consequent employment.

In recent months, during the discussion on the amendment of the Control of Manufactures Acts, we dwelt on a number of aspects of industrial policy. While it is generally agreed that it is necessary, either through legislative provisions or through national financial policy, to provide facilities for development, it is not sufficiently realised that the State can go only a certain way in dealing with this problem. It is necessary to have a positive policy for industrial development and expansion. The taxation code should encourage investment. Financial policy should instil confidence amongst those affected by it who are interested in expanding existing industries or establishing new ones.

It has been repeatedly stated, by Ministers of various Governments, by writers and economists, that we have in this country a great number of advantages which should enable us to secure greater external investment in industrial development. We have the large pool of people readily capable of being trained and equipped for work in almost all industrial undertakings. We have good relations between employers and workers. We have a stable political system and, compared with other countries, no language difficulties. At the same time we are, if not on the European Continent, near enough to it to make transport reasonable easy—although that is probably one of the slight drawbacks.

If, therefore, we consider the advantages that this country possesses and compare them with the advantages enjoyed by a number of other countries in Europe also seeking foreign investment, it will be seen that we have many advantages that they do not possess. It is not, however, sufficient to have these advantages because quite a number of other countries have them also, if not to the same degree, to an extent sufficient to make people who are interested in the problem consider them as bases for development. So far, I think, that with few exceptions— some of them were referred to to-night, such as the oil refinery, St. Patrick's Copper Mines and one or two others where outside firms have either taken over or joined in the management, both financial and technical—despite the efforts of Governments over a number of years, the drive to secure external participation in industrial development and in the establishment of new industries has not been anything like as successful as is needed, or indeed as successful as a number of people expected when such strenuous efforts were made by Ministers, Government Departments and by the I.D.A., as well as by individual businessmen, to secure from abroad external participation, both financial and technical.

I think it well, therefore, to consider whether we have gone far enough to attract outside industrialists to establish industries here or to participate in those already established. Foreign industrialists, people anxious to invest money, will not invest here simply because we enumerate the advantages to which I have referred or because they prefer coming here to going somewhere else. The principal incentive which any industrialist will wish to have is the profit incentive, the incentive that it will be possible to make more here than elsewhere and the guarantee that, having made what they consider a reasonable profit, they will be allowed either to build up reserves with which further to develop their industry or to meet commitments which might arise in times of difficulty or, alternatively, that they will be allowed to take a fair share for themselves.

I think there is general agreement among Deputies on all sides of the House that any industrialist is entitled to a fair profit and to a reasonable return on his investment, and that if there are any cases of abuse they can be readily dealt with, but the country to which we look in particular for industrial investment here is the United States. That is pre-eminently a private enterprise economy, a country in which industrialists are prepared to develop industry only if they can see opportunities for a satisfactory return. It is idle to imagine, after the efforts that have been made here over the years by individual Ministers, by delegations from Departments, by C.T.T. or the I.D.A. as well as by individual industrialists who have themselves endeavoured to secure investment by American industrialists in this country that they will not seek something more than we have offered them up to the present.

It is obvious, therefore, that the amendment of the Control of Manufactures Act enacted here recently will have to be clearly and fully known to provide the benefits we believe it may possess—because I think even the most optimistic person to support the enactment of that measure would agree that it was done in a tortuous manner, liable to cause confusion as to the actual position, that it is complicated and difficult to understand and that even with the change of title it is by no means clear to external businessmen or prospective investors. The facilities which are supposed to be available and which are provided here by the Department or through the I.D.A. do not readily appear from a reading of the terms of that Act. It is, therefore, necessary to make it obvious through publicity by the I.D.A., by the Department of Industry and Commerce and through our representatives in the United States that there are few legislative provisions against external investment here.

Having allowed for whatever encouragement is provided in that way, I believe we should seriously consider granting further facilities. We might perhaps consider that the whole taxaation rate here is too high to attract external investment. While we have given individual facilities, exemptions of some sort or another—in the case of exports, 25 years' exemption—whatever fears the Revenue Commissioners have should be overcome. A fear which always impresses the Department of Finance and the Revenue authorities is that if you give absolute relief, of the nature that might be likely to attract external investment, there is some prospect of the Revenue losing by it. What we never had we cannot lose. There is a great case for freeing-up, if necessary by further relaxation, the allowances which external investors are anxious to get if they are to invest here and if they are to have the prospect of getting something here that they have not been able to get elsewhere.

Otherwise, the other disadvantages that exist—the fact that we have a small home market, the fact that they have to provide transport from here to Europe or from here to any other country—mean that they will be less likely to invest here than if we make such investment as attractive as it is humanly possible on the understanding that whatever advantage will accrue to them will also accrue to us through the establishment of new industries and increased employment.

When I listened to the Minister's speech referring to the improvement which had occurred in the employment position and the fact that employment in industry had increased slightly in 1957 over 1956, I could not help recalling the propaganda used by the Government prior to, and during, the last election. I believe it is quite illusory to imagine that the Government, alone, can provide a remedy for the unemployment problem, or that it can provide industries. A Government may set the sights; a Government may direct general economic policy. There is no more dangerous illusion than the illusion that the Government, of itself, can provide a remedy for unemployment or can establish industries wherever they are required.

The two great examples of the results of individual initiative and enterprise are the United States and Germany. While no valid comparison can be made between conditions in a small country such as ours and conditions in these countries, nevertheless, they have lessons for us. During and before the last election, the present Government, when in opposition, created the impression that if a change of Government took place, all would be well. They created the impression that it would be possible to provide employment. They referred to different schemes such as the scheme announced by the Minister himself of an expenditure over a number of years of £100,000,000 which would create 100,000 jobs. All that did considerable damage because it created the illusion that the Government itself had a remedy to solve the problem of unemployment.

Since the change of Government, people have become disillusioned with Fianna Fáil in particular, and probably with politicians in general. The example of the two countries I have mentioned and the example of every country in the world, with the possible exception of Russia—we have not sufficient data in relation to Russia but certainly conditions there and the type of life and economy they operate would be anathema to our people— indicates that there is no country in the world in which Governments, themselves, have solved unemployment or have provided a solution or remedy for this problem.

Experience has shown that State-directed schemes are essential and in many cases desirable. Some work must be undertaken by the State or it will not be undertaken at all. In countries with great industrial enterprise, countries with large-scale industrial employment, it is provided in the main by private enterprise on the basis of private initiative and endeavour.

The slight improvement in the unemployment position that occurred in 1957 over 1956 would have occurred, no matter what Government was in office. It was inevitable. Some particular industries benefited by removing the levies. When the levies were imposed, it was expressly stated that they were to be of temporary duration and that their purpose was to correct the adverse trade balance which existed. We see from the trade returns for the first few months of this year that the terms are again running against us. We see that a variety of factors—a number of them probably due to the dropping of these levies—has, on the one hand, stimulated development in the industries affected and, on the other hand, resulted in increased imports, thereby aggravating the problem which it was set out to solve.

As I said, the present Government, when in opposition, created the impression that if they were elected to office, they could provide a solution to these problems. I do not believe that—with the possible exception of a few legislative amendments such as the amendment of the Control of Manufactures Acts—a single important remedial measure has been put into operation to provide employment. I do not wish to dwell on that at length now because there are other matters to be considered but I submit that such electioneering tactics create an absolute lack of confidence.

There is prevailing throughout the country a lack of confidence in the Government and, to some extent, because of the propaganda indulged in, a lack of confidence in politicians and in the ability of politicians to solve the problems which confront us. The Government give the impression that they are waiting for something to turn up and hoping that nothing will happen to make the position worse.

Like a number of other Deputies, I was interested in perusing the trade figures for last year. The Minister referred to them in the course of his address. The significant fact emerges from these figures that the very remarkable expansion which occurred in our exports was due, to a very considerable extent, to the policy which was operated by the previous Government. We recognised that we should expand our agricultural production. We recognised that the introduction of a variety of measures, such as the land rehabilitation and drainage schemes, the eradication of bovine tuberculosis scheme, and so on, would increase the supply of cattle and that that, in turn, would provide greater numbers for export and for processing into chilled or frozen beef and veal. The results were shown in last year's trade figures. Equally obvious is the fact that, unless that policy is continued—unless every incentive which can be provided is continued at the maximum rate possible—the numbers will not automatically remain high.

The fact that last year's prices were so substantially higher than those of the previous year enabled the present Government to reap the benefits of the policy we initiated over the previous period, reflected in the very substantial and gratifying expansion in exports last year. While that is the satisfactory and agreeable side of the picture, I want for a moment to turn to the trade returns and to examine the figures which are contained in the returns on Table 5 of the Trade Statistics of Ireland for the year 1957, published by the Central Statistics Office.

Leaving aside for a moment our trade with Britain, if we examine our trade with other countries we find that our imports from them amount to a total of £73,000,000 in round figures, and that our exports to them total £20,000,000. If we examine a few individual countries we find that our adverse trade balance with them is quite remarkable. I am not suggesting this development occurred just last year. It is a phenomena of the trade returns over a number of years. In view of the fact that in most cases the trade agreements have to be renewed on an annual basis, and in some cases re-negotiated, I believe it is time we carefully examined these returns. The various Departments should scrutinise closely the terms of trade with each individual country to see not merely that our own exporters are taking full advantage of the trade agreements but that the other countries are giving full advantage of the terms of these agreements.

In some cases by administrative action, and by delays of one sort or another, this country has been prevented from availing to the full its rights under these agreements. It is only right, however, to say in other cases very often when it was drawn to the notice of the authorities concerned they took action to remedy the situation.

Last year we imported £3,600,000 worth of goods from Belgium and we exported £1,500,000 worth to it. Our position was better with France. We imported £3,100,000 worth and exported £1,800,000 worth to France. From the Federal Republic of Germany we imported £6.9 million worth and exported £3.2 million worth to it. From British West Africa we imported £1.3 million worth and exported only £45,000 worth to it. Our trading figures with New Zealand are certainly interesting in view of the audacious claim which New Zealand made about this country dumping butter on the British market, more especially as we are traditional suppliers to that market, and the New Zealanders themselves were responsible for extensive dumping last year. We imported from New Zealand £841,000 worth and they took only £49,000 from us. In the case of the Netherlands we imported £4.5 million worth and they took £.9 million, or just short of £1,000,000 worth from us.

I mention these figures because, with the strong possibility of the trade balance getting out of line again, it is vital that we should examine these figures closely. Leaving aside whatever administrative or other measures are necessary to facilitate exports to these countries, it is obvious from a national point of view that the expansion and development of exports is essential. If the pattern of trade were scrutinised with care it might be possible in some cases to improve the adverse trade balances. A continuous review of trade with each country should be carried out so that all figures might be readily available, and any evidence such as I have mentioned, such as administrative devices which would nullify the trade agreements, should be countered by immediate rejoinders. The returns of trade available for the first few months of this year make it obvious that the most strenuous efforts will be required to prevent any deterioration in the balance of payments position.

Towards the end of the Minister's speech he referred to tourism and its effect on national economy. I want to welcome the announcement that it is proposed to make further facilities available for the expansion and equipping of hotels. There again I believe our approach in the past has been too cautious and we should give some relief whether by remission of taxation or greater grants for extension and development. We want to adopt a bolder and more imaginative policy. We should allow a remission of rates for a fixed number of years to those who extend or develop their accommodation. Where additional facilities are provided, exemption from taxation on profits should be allowed.

The accommodation available in this country is not anything like what it should be in order to attract the number of tourists who would come here if further accommodation were available. In that regard I want to raise the question of the Tóstal, as I believe the time has arrived when it should be reviewed. We have now had enough experience of how the Tóstal has worked to decide whether on its present basis of operation it is a success or not. Leaving aside entirely the idea of the festival being suitable for exploitation on a nation-wide scale, which I think experience has shown it is not, good individual festivals in different parts of the country have demonstrated what local effort is capable of doing. There are numerous examples in many parts of the country, in country towns and in cities like Cork and Wexford. Certain aspects of it here in Dublin and in other parts of the country have all been successful but, as far as I am aware, no estimate has ever been made by Board Fáilte, by the Central Statistics Office, or by any authority responsible for tourism either directly or indirectly as to what benefits have accrued from it. It is certainly obvious that the Tóstal, on a country-wide scale—holding all the events at the same time—is not a success.

The opening performances of Tóstal functions in different parts of the country should be reviewed, leaving aside entirely the episode which occurred at the opening this year which I believe reflected no credit on any of those responsible. The idea of a Minister or a prominent public official opening these functions in the manner in which they have does not appear to be appropriate. The hoisting of a flag on a flag-pole, in a city or country town, may be an occasion for making a speech, or for starting the ball rolling, but it is hardly the way to start a festival of this sort. I think Board Fáilte, in collaboration with the Hotels Federation and other groups interested, should review the whole question.

The idea of individual festivals is excellent and it has been shown to work in different parts of the country, in cities or towns, and has resulted in a substantial increase in the number of visitors to them. Whether most of those visitors are Irish or foreign does not matter a great deal to the place concerned. The overall objective, of course, is to increase the number of foreign tourists; but if, at the off season of the year, it is possible to initiate a festival or a particular type of undertaking which will attract visitors or outsiders to the town or city, it is bound to be reflected in improved business. It is time that this matter was reviewed impartially and carefully, to see what steps could be taken to put it on a more reasonable basis and at the same time to preserve whatever advantages have been gained from the working of it up to the present.

In the course of our anxiety to develop and expand industry here, I often feel that we dwell too much on establishing new industries and give insufficient attention to the existing ones. It is for that reason that I welcome the decision to provide more money for C.T.T. this year, to assist in the sale of Irish whiskey abroad. I only hope that, to whatever purposes the money is devoted, it will be done in the closest collaboration with the distillers. One of the oldest established industries, one which uses native raw materials and provides male employment, is the distilling industry. With a few notable exceptions, it is an industry which over the years has declined to the extent that we now have very few distilleries. The fact that different Governments have always taxed it almost to the limit is no reason why we should not review the situation now and decide that, because other countries have found it possible to expand whiskey exports, the same should be possible here.

One of the features of the expansion of the sales of Scotch whiskey was that it was possible for them to employ large sums of money for publicity and for the exploitation of foreign markets, particularly in the United States. Our distillers had not anything like the same funds available to them and, because of the heavy rate of taxation and because it is a long term job, they were not able to build up anything like the same stocks. Whatever was available was always pretty well assured of sale on the home market.

Therefore, I believe we should not merely provide the money which is included in this year's Estimate by way of additional grant to C.T.T., but whatever other steps the industry considers advisable, in consultation with the Department and the Department of Finance, should be taken, so as to give relief to this old-established industry. It has provided in the past, and still provides, good employment and that industry should be enabled to maintain its position and expand its sales.

I wish to refer to a specific case of an old industry which has been affected by events and which is located in my constituency—the stonecutting trade in the Barnaculla and Glencullen district, which has declined substantially during the past year. I understand that about a year ago there were approximately 80 stonecutters in the area, which is a comparatively small one, and that now the number is down to 25 or 30. At the same time, the number of labourers has declined correspondingly. The ordinary stonecutting trade has declined steadily over this period. I understand it would scarcely be surviving at all if the granite quarries were not doing some work which is strictly not proper to them, that is, cutting imported Portland stone and cutting and polishing limestone brought in in bulk from other areas. To give one particular example of a quarry there, a year ago it had 30 stonecutters and eight labourers; now it has only eight stonecutters and three labourers.

The monumental sculpture business which up to a short time ago could not keep abreast of orders, is now almost defunct. In the area, I believe there are five small quarry workshops and at present they only engage part-time attention. I mention this because I understand that one of the new regulations in one cemetery in this country has contributed to this position. In Clonmacnoise, there are regulations posted up in the new cemetery which state that only monuments of approved design may be erected there. I understand that in fact many of the monuments which have been erected are uniformly small, plain limestone crosses, and that these are produced almost entirely by machinery. I do not know whether it is possible, by initiating joint discussions between the Minister's Department and either the Department of Local Government or the parties concerned, to prevent this position deteriorating further; but certainly if one Department is endeavouring to develop and expand industry and the result of regulations from a subsidiary body of another Department results in the situation I have described, it ought not to be tolerated.

The other matter which I wanted to raise on the Estimate is the recent alteration in bus fares. One thing which is resented greatly by the people is not only the increase but the alteration in the stages. In many cases, the stages have been so altered.

Would the Minister have any responsibility for that?

I was about to suggest, Sir, that he should draw the attention of C.I.E. to the matter.

It seems to be a matter solely for the company.

I believe it is the responsibility of the Minister to convey such representations to the company, to see that the public are in a position to understand the changes. It should be suggested to the company that the stages should be clearly marked, so that the public would know precisely what alterations have been made.

Not for a long time has the introductory statement to this Vote been so encouraging as it has been to-day. That encouraging statement is welcomed by every side of the House irrespective of how Opposition Deputies may seek to disregard the important factors which over the past year have tended towards the resuscitation in the industrial drive in this country. We may well regard the present situation—if all the indications continue in the direction in which they are pointing—as a repetition of the industrial drive which commenced in 1932.

There has always been an effort made by Deputies on the other side of the House to imply that Fianna Fáil, in their over-anxiety to develop industries, have allowed that effort to stem progess and development in agriculture which, it is always rightly pointed out, is our main industry. While we are talking in general terms like this, it cannot be too often repeated that everybody should realise that our one main and staple industry can succeed only when the industrial arm of our economy is developed to the fullest. The success of one is, to a great extent, contingent on the success of the other. What we are all striving towards, I hope, is that the maximum number of people will be employed and enjoy a reasonable standard of living.

That situation can never be brought about by the development of our agricultural industry alone. We can never solve the vexed question of unemployment and emigration by concentrating on agriculture, no matter how much we may do that. At the moment, the emphasis is on the development of agriculture, and rightly so, and how this surplus labour on the land is to be absorbed is a question we have got to answer. In the different industries generally, in our manufacturing industries and in our other industries, mainly lies the answer to the problem of absorbing, to some extent, anyhow, the surplus unemployed from the land.

The Minister's statement to-day is most encouraging in so far as the position is a reversal of the situation which existed last year. Deputy Cosgrave sought to minimise the importance of that advance and tried to point out not merely that Fianna Fáil had nothing to do with that happy situation, but that, in fact, it was due to some action taken by the previous Government. Usually, he is not very critical in his speeches; his speeches are normally tempered with a good deal of reason.

He himself, in pointing out some of the prerequisites for industrial progress, admitted that political stability was one of the most important factors. In the very first instance, we must all agree that the restoration of political stability was brought about since the last election. It was, indeed, one of the steadying factors which permitted a further advance in our industrial development.

We all welcome the efforts being made to decentralise industry, and, while it may be argued that the expansion of employment anywhere in the country is to be commended, those of us from the western seaboard must advocate, on every possible occasion, the need to bring industries to those areas where the population is declining. In that respect, the doubling of the funds at the disposal of An Foras Tionscal is a very welcome addition to the already very good inducements held out to those who are prepared to bring industries to the western seaboard. Apart from the fact that we have a flight from the western seaboard, the reason we are anxious to see industries decentralised is, as I pointed out at the outset, the importance of industry in relation to agriculture.

If our population continues to decline, the home market, so far as agricultural produce is concerned, becomes of less value day by day. With the success of our industrial development, the creation of more employment and the stimulation of the purchasing power, the home market becomes more valuable to agriculture. Since one is complementary to the other, in that respect, we believe that the economy of the small holding on the western seaboard can be considerably improved and extra employment created within the area. Nobody can doubt the benefits which are very definitely set out in the Undeveloped Areas Act. Some people may—and some undoubtedly do—show pessimism with regard to the rate of advancement under the inducements of that Act, but, when one considers all the factors, I think the figures given by the Minister for the amount of money already paid out in grants under that Act are sufficient to encourage further effort and to create reasonable inducement for the possible development of further worthwhile industries in years to come.

Speaking on this Vote last year, I had reason to refer to what possibly might seem discrimination within the areas described as undeveloped. It is not a descrimination which can be placed at the door of any Department or organisation dealing with industries. It is due to the fact that, naturally, new industries will select what is the best of the undeveloped areas and those areas furthest away from the hub of activity, the most northerly points, will naturally be the last to be selected, unless they have some raw material—such as we have in the fishing industry—in addition to the inducements of the Undeveloped Areas Act to attract investment from centralised concerns in Dublin, or from abroad.

For that reason, I advocate that there should be some discrimination within the area itself as to the amount of grants made available to those people who go further west. I still feel, while no definite provision is made in the Act for that sort of thing, that those responsible for the administration of the Act, An Foras Tionscal, should always take more cognisance of the readiness of any concern to go further away from the centre than of those who merely go across the line of demarcation and thereby qualify in full measure for the inducements given.

The magazine issued by Irish industry deplores the fact that greater inducements are being offered to foreign investors than are being offered to existing industries here. The magazine goes on to imply that if the same concessions had been given here as we offer to foreign investors, our home industries would be willing to do the job. I am afraid that is not wholly true. While we have every possible sympathy with the established concerns and would like to see our own industries expand, wherever possible, I do not think they have shown any great initiative, particularly in the matter of decentralisation of industry. Recently, they have been given good inducements for export in the shape of income-tax relief. Perhaps I would agree they have not got sufficient inducements in the form of better allowances for depreciation of plant, but those grievances aside, if they are prepared to enter the export market, they are entitled to certain tax-relief inducements which are as good as those held out to any foreign investors coming here.

Most of those industries were protected by very strong tariff walls for a period. They were the subject of much criticism by people whose underlying motive was, perhaps, an antipathy towards Irish industry in any form. In fact, we still have people who have not been broken down in their old prejudice against Irish manufacture. But, in the main, Irish products have come to be accepted by all and we do not now hear so much about industries sheltering behind tariff walls and producing inferior goods. Perhaps the proposed establishment of the European Free Trade Area has done more than anything else to compel people to improve their methods and to go into more competitive lines of production in order to make provision for the day when they may have either to compete or fold up.

By and large, those industries which require the protection of tariffs when first set up have done a good job and have reached the stage where they are capable of competing with any outside product and, as the Minister pointed out in his opening statement, many of them have successfully broken into foreign markets. Their example could easily be followed by other home industries.

But I am not satisfied that native enterprise has made an all-out effort to expand and develop industry to the extent it could. There may have been certain insurmountable obstacles in regard to many industries. The technical "know how" may not have been there and the raw materials may not have been at their disposal; but they certainly have had an opportunity over a number of years, and I feel they have missed that opportunity. They are now complaining they have not got sufficient inducement to enable them to do the job which, to an extent, foreign investors are being called upon to do.

One of the most encouraging things the Minister referred to—the most important statement we have heard for a long time—was his announcement that the 50 per cent. subsidy for rural electrification will be reintroduced. I do not think Deputies from rural areas fully realise what a boon the amenity of rural electrification is to the rural areas, particularly the more backward areas. There definitely has been a slowing down of development over the past two years. We were told here at one time that the demand had slowed up to such an extent that it became necessary to have the remaining development distributed over a number of years, so that there would be no sudden falling off in employment under that head. It has now been established that, not merely is there no falling off in demand, but that there is an increase. There is a greater demand than ever for current throughout the country.

Coming from a county where great tracts of rural areas remain to be developed, I most sincerely welcome the reintroduction of the subsidy, but I have a few things to say in regard to future development. We have frequently had complaints here from all sides in regard to the method by which the E.S.B. develop rural areas. I refer particularly to the imposition of the special charge system. It is most unfair that one, two or three houses in every little pocket developed should be singled out for a special charge, sometimes double that of their neighbours, if they are to enjoy the great amenity of rural electrification. I believe it would be a much better system if there was a levelling of the overall charges, a flat rate, whereby, if a particular spur-line proved uneconomic, the little extra required would be infinitely smaller when spread over 100,000 consumers.

Other Department assess their costings on a similar flat rate. It has been frequently pointed out here that if the Department of Posts and Telegraphs were to charge in accordance with the economics of a particular area, it would be a rather costly item to send a parcel, say, from Donegal to Cork and it would hardly pay to deliver a letter from Dublin, carrying a 3d. stamp, in Mayo. That is exactly what the E.S.B. is doing in rural electrification development. They are singling out certain houses which they were unable to bring in, in the first instance, and they are putting on the unfortunate householders a special charge twice or three times as much as the charge to be met by neighbours who were connected. Since the Minister is giving this new impetus to rural electrification by the reintroduction of the 50 per cent. subsidy, I would appeal to him to stipulate that this system of special charging should be dispensed with and an overall general level charge introduced in every area.

The Minister's statement was the most comprehensive one I have listened to since I became a Deputy. It was a frank and honest account, and it was certainly most encouraging. The Minister did not go out of his way to create unnecessary optimism. He made a factual statement setting out the position as he found it and pointing out the indications for the future.

We are all proud of the success of our Irish airways. Our airports are to some extent the shop windows of the country. Unfortunately, Aer Lingus, like many other State corporations, has become almost too independent. It does not like dictation in the matter of economies. It can be quite nice when it comes to the Exchequer for a subvention to cover working losses, but let a Deputy or a Senator put his name to an application for a job and the candidate is immediately disqualified. I do not object to a rule which forbids canvassing or the use of undue influence, but if a Deputy recommends a boy or girl for a post in Aer Lingus, his recommendation should carry as much weight as that of any other citizen. The position is that if one wants to ensure the failure of a candidate, one has only to put one's name to a letter and the candidate is immediately disqualified. That is tantamount to Aer Lingus saying it will take a recommendation from anybody, but it will not take one from those who set up the concern and gave the necessary finances for its operations. That is going too far and no State-sponsored corporation should be allowed to get away with it. The members of this House are upright citizens and people of integrity and they should have the right to recommend in the same way as any other citizen.

We are all proud of our airways and proud of the returns showing an upward trend, particularly in the terminal traffic which is more valuable than transit traffic. An upward trend in any traffic is to be welcomed. I do not know if it is wise to allow other airways to use Dublin Airport. The Minister has pointed out that while the number of scheduled flights by outside airways will to some extent affect the revenue of the home company, the repercussions will not be serious. The benefits to be derived as a result of allowing outside airways to use Dublin Airport will, I am sure, outweigh any losses Aer Lingus may suffer as a result of this competition.

Finally, I would refer to tourism. The recent concession announced in relation to additional hotel bedrooms is very welcome indeed. I would, however, urge the Minister to make the concession retrospective to cover reconstruction work undertaken since the beginning of the year. It is unfair that a hotel which started reconstruction for the purpose of providing additional bedrooms early in the year should now be left in the position in which it cannot participate in this concession whereby a generous free grant per bedroom is made. There would not be many hotels involved and I think they should be brought within the scope of this concession.

Deputy Cosgrave appealed for greater concessions. I do not agree. I would be prepared to go as far as anybody because Donegal is a tourist county, but I would not approve of any relief of rates such as that suggested by Deputy Cosgrave. These people reconstruct and extend because they hope that ultimately such reconstruction and extension will show a profit. The present concessions are generous and I do not believe the hotel proprietors would look for any relief of rates, provided they get the wherewithal to build additional bedrooms. No good businessman would undertake such an expansion unless he was pretty certain that ultimately it would give him a good return for the outlay of capital.

The other matter to which one feels obliged to refer is the progress of Bord na Móna. We have been talking about the importance of industries in the undeveloped areas. The ultimate fate of those areas depends on whatever industries we can bring there in order to expand employment and retain people in the holdings. While we shall always strive to divert to those areas whatever industries we can, our greatest hope should be centred on industries where the raw material is already available. The raw material is most readily available on the western seaboard from Donegal to Kerry, apart from the fishing industry to which I have already referred, is peat.

The Minister was able to give some very encouraging figures in that respect, and while the cost of machine-won turf produced by Bord na Móna is in the main too high, as is proven by the price quoted by private concerns which are in production for a number of years, Bord na Móna have done for this country the greatest service that any State-sponsored corporation has ever done. They have proved to the people that we have as good a fuel as any we could import. They have succeeded in breaking down the prejudice against turf as a fuel in the greater part of the country. They have carried out experiments which have succeeded in putting our native fuel into some of the biggest institutions in the country for central heating and other heating purposes, and they have proved that turf-fired electical stations are more economical than those fired by imported fuel. In addition to that, they have carried out reseach in many other directions and have given great hope to bog owners and people who live in the poorer areas, where bog is always to be found, as to the further development of peat. The export of peat moss alone, as the figures given by the Minister indicate, is sufficient encouragement to justify the activities of Bord na Móna.

Private enterprise is now moving, in many instances, to continue and take over the work which Bord na Móna has been doing. It is a welcome change if such people are able to do the job better and to produce at a more competitive price the fuel which Bord na Móna has been turning out. However, we shall always be grateful to Bord na Móna for the work they have done to develop and put on the map our fuel in the manner in which they have done it, and for the effort they have put into research to bring our native fuel to the position which it now enjoys.

The Minister was able to show in his statement a complete reversal of the picture presented to us over the past year or two. It was not an effort at misrepresentation but a purely factual statement of the position as it exists. As he pointed out, there is no room for complacency or cause for undue optimism. No matter what we may say about emigration and unemployment, there is only one way to cure them and that is to provide permanent employment. The type of work we are sometimes prone to provide by making, say, £1,000,000 available for putting men to work at making a drain along the road or making a road into a bog, is not work of a permanent character, nor does it hold out any hope of security for the people who take part in it. At best, it is only a temporary measure. When we speak of establishing industries, expanding exports and of our industries breaking into new markets and becoming more competitive, we are talking in real terms of providing employment and expanding our economy and really setting about solving the problem of unemployment and emigration.

When I refer to the expansion of industry I do not leave out tourism or such industries as are allied to agriculture or the various other branches of development which we are undertaking. If we continue on the lines along which we are going and if the progress over the past year can be maintained, we shall, in the next few years, have reached the happy stage where we shall have succeeded in getting that extra employment in industry which is bound to have an effect on our agricultural industry. Just as nothing succeeds like success, once we get moving more rapidly in the right direction, as we are at the moment, our problems of unemployment and emigration should be brought near to successful solution. I welcome the Minister's statement. I compliment him and I believe that our important Department of Industry and Commerce, which covers so many fields— and I do not wish to say this for the purpose of throwing bouquets at anybody—could not be in better hands.

The Minister should be congratulated to-night on the way he dressed the shop window and on the number of dummies he put into it. He made a long speech, but was there any hope held out to the unemployed man, to the small businessman in the cities and in the country towns? He dealt with the Free Trade Area and tried to take the people's minds off the problems facing everybody at the present time—the problems of unemployment, emigration and what follows in their wake, the problem of slack trade in business.

Does the Minister realise that in my own town there is in every main street a shop offered for sale which cannot be sold? It has never happened before since the State was founded. If the Minister realised that, I wonder would he say there is ground for confidence? Imagine a Minister for Industry and Commerce coming in and saying there is ground for confidence. The present Minister, taking his speech this evening, is the greatest bluffer we have in Irish politics to-day, because while he talks about "great confidence" at present, we know that unemployment was never as rampant and that the only alleviation provided for it during the past 18 months has been emigration. It is no longer the emigration of the bread-winner alone. Apparently now, as there is no hope that there will be any great change in conditions here for the ordinary people, it is the emigration of families as well. I think of the by-election in Carlow-Kilkenny and the general election which followed; I think of some of the cartoons they put out saying they would "rescue industry from the wreck it is in and put new life in it", that it was only a matter of change, of turning the key in the lock, of putting Fianna Fáil in charge and there would be new life in industry.

When the Minister came in to-night and mentioned "more confidence", I recalled that within the past few months we had the Bishop of Galway, the Mayor of Galway and a very representative deputation from that city coming here to draw the Taoiseach's attention to the position in regard to unemployment and emigration. That deputation could be repeated from every town and city in the country at present. Why should people come on deputations such as that? If they thought the present Government were doing something, why should they bother to come the whole way from Galway? If the present Government had the "confidence" which the Minister states is there, why should they come? That just shows what the people down the country feel about the present Government.

I am sure they have no more animosity to Fianna Fáil, than they had to the previous Government. I am sure it was not politics that brought them up. I feel that these men would be very favourable to any Government which would provide employment. When these people thought it necessary to come to Dublin to bring before the Government the serious position of trade, of employment and of emigration, things must be very bad.

The Minister said to-night that the policy of the Government is to work harder and to increase savings. All these things are very good in their own way, but the Government should give a lead in these matters; the Government should work harder themselves and should encourage savings. After all, there is the old saying that "example is better than precept". Had that example been given, it would have been much better than the precept. The Minister says he is very pleased that the banks have given long-term credit to industry in some cases and short-term credit in others, and that they have increased this long term credit. The Minister did not mention that during the past six months the Bank of England rate was reduced by 1 per cent., while the banks here reduced the rate only by 1/2 per cent. It that any encouragement to industry here?

The Government now are placing all their faith on foreign capital and saying we have not enough capital here. I believe we have enough, if people had confidence in industry. We have not that confidence. What we lack—and there is no use saying or thinking anything else—are the skills and techniques. I do not think it is any blame to industry that we lack them. After all, we have been free for only 30 years. There are other countries which have been developing these techniques for hundreds of years. It is not slur on our people that they lack them. As well as that, this is a small country. If the Minister can induce any firms of international standing to come in, they will need to bring very little capital. I would say that we badly need new skills and techniques. We have some flourishing industries, some of the old ones, and we have some industries started in recent times which are doing very well. At the same time, these are few and far between and one could almost count them on one's fingers.

It was also mentioned here that the Minister and the Department were watching prices. I wonder if they are —I doubt it. I do not think that since this Government came into office any attempt has been made to halt increases in prices of any kind. The Taoiseach made the statement that there was not enough profit ploughed back into industry. That may be right. I do not think the Department can claim that they have made any attempt whatever to control the prices of any commodities.

According to the Minister's statement, 186 trade disputes went before the Labour Court and he claimed it worked in settling them. I have no doubt it did, but what was the cause of all those trade disputes coming before the Labour Court? What was the reason that 186 trade disputes came before the Labour Court? Do we not know what it was—that it arose out of the Budget which increased the cost of living, the price of bread, the price of butter, the price of sugar and flour? The people had to look for something to compensate for those increases. When the Minister for Finance was bringing in those increases, he called on workers and others not to look for any compensatory benefits. Did he not know that the people would have to get some extra money to meet the increased cost of living?

Now that the Government have seen the result of that increase in the cost of living by their own deliberate action, I wonder if they can see the effects it has brought about in the country. There were 186 trade disputes due simply and solely to that. What amount of money is coming out of Irish industry now, to meet all the advances which were given, including the £1,250,000 to the civil servants, or caused by the increases in the cost of living brought about by the Budget, and the increases in the price of foodstuffs?

I expected that the Minister—being Minister for Industry and Commerce in a very strong Government—would have given us his views to-night on the question of container traffic. However, he did not speak about it; he just brushed it to one side like many other things. He placed it on the shelf again; he had referred it to the Labour Court and he was placing his trust in God that everything would be all right. In the recent shipping freights inquiry, several remarks were made about that container traffic. There are one or two on which I wish to comment.

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
The Dáil adjourned at 10.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 12th June, 1958.
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