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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 26 Nov 1959

Vol. 178 No. 4

Intoxicating Liquor Bill, 1959—Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Before the debate was adjourned on the last evening I was concluding on a somewhat provocative note in regard to the observance or lack of observance of legislation governing the sale of liquor down the years. I should like briefly to put the query this afternoon as to whether any Deputy can have any assurance whatsoever that the passing of the Bill in its present form will make any material change in that regard.

The Bill is providing for additional hours in which drink can be sold and purchased. Is it not reasonable to assume that additional drink will be sold and purchased if this Bill goes through in its present form? I do not think there is anything in the Bill or that any point made by any Deputy would justify the conclusion that if the time of closing public houses is extended by an hour in both winter and summer, that will result in less drink being consumed. It will result, in my opinion, in more drink being consumed.

I do not know whether the Government is hoping for some additional revenue because of the possibility of such additional consumption of drink, but whether the Government is hoping without voicing such hope in this connection one wonders whether additional expenditure by the ordinary citizen under this heading will not mean lowering the expenditure under other headings by the same citizen. The pockets of the average citizen are by no means limitless. If one is encouraged to spend more on liquor it normally means, taking the ordinary rules of arithmetic, that one spends less on something else.

That, of course, is based on the assumption that there is no drinking now after 10.30 p.m.

I was interested particularly in Deputy Lindsay's contribution yesterday evening. It appeared to me, without any personal reflection whatsoever on him, that he was substantiating the information given by other Deputies that we have had a law in this land for many years and that even the people who made the law ignore it.

Why hide it?

I am not hiding it but I do not think it is a good thing. If the ordinary family has to expend more on this item, they must necessarily reduce their expenditure on some other item. Will the members of families not in the position to complain be the sufferers if this Bill is passed? Will the women and the children suffer because of the Government's interest in providing additional facilities in this respect?

I raised this aspect deliberately because I feel there has been no demand for this legislation. In the course of discussions outside there were indications that there appeared to be some desire for this on the part of the agricultural community, that the farmers and farm workers were most anxious to have the change. I sympathise with their anxiety to do away with bona fide traffic, but one wonders in present circumstances and in the light of the acute position of the average farm worker, to what extent can he or his family benefit from the hours outlined in this Bill? I understand it is a practice for some of the farmers to show their neighbourliness by bringing their employees into a nearby house of refreshment and treating them after their day's work. I think it would be much better if the same section of the community agreed to pay their employees a living wage and let them utilise this money to meet the needs of their families.

I should like to make a final comment. I have never taken a drink in my life. At the same time, I do not wish to deny anyone their personal views in this matter. Speaking as a teetotaller and not a member of any association, there is one aspect to which I should refer. To what extent are the convivial drinkers at present thankful for the fact that somebody is supposed to say at some time: "Time, gentlemen, please"? I think if we could learn the minds of many of our citizens who enjoy a drink with their friends in the evening, we would find that they are happy that there is somebody to say: "Time, gentlemen, please" at the present hours. It is very difficult for a man in company to say, "Goodbye now, boys, I am going home. My financial resources are growing rather slim and I am reaching the point where I shall not be able to bear my share of the expense." Many people who enjoy a couple of drinks in the evening find they can retire with honour and dignity if there is somebody to say: "Time, gentlemen, please."

Has the Deputy never heard of these sorrowful lines:

The saddest words of tongue and pen

Are "Time, gentlemen, please, It's half-past ten."

I am always happy when Deputy Lindsay becomes humorous.

If one could not get humorous on a liquor Bill one could not get humorous on anything.

He is one of those who expressed the view that we should not have closing hours at all, that they should stay open all day and all night.

A working arrangement between the police and the publicans is the ideal.

That would be all very nice if you were dealing with something that does not entail harm for others. We are living in a community which does not allow one to do as one likes. We do not have complete anarchy here. Deputy Lindsay and some of his colleagues would be the first people to object to complete anarchy, or what they might term complete freedom. It appears to me that the only freedom some people here want is freedom for people to indulge themselves, even to the point of where they become obnoxious or dangerous to other members of the community. The people who advocate this are the same people who, I believe, would be very vocal if somebody suggested there should be some freedom of thought or expression of ideas. If Deputy Lindsay wants that type of freedom, he is welcome to this Bill.

I move the adjournment of the debate.

Debate adjourned.
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