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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 27 Jul 1961

Vol. 191 No. 12

Committee on Finance. - Courts (Establishment and Constitution) Bill, 1959—Report.

Bill recommitted in respect of amendment on Order Paper.

I move the amendment:

In page 2, lines 8 to 11, to delete "the Supreme Court and the High Court and Courts to be called respectively the Court of Criminal Appeal, the Circuit Court and the District Court" and substitute "A Court of Final Appeal, the Court of Criminal Appeal and the Courts of First Instance."

This is a drafting amendment. The occasion of the amendment gives me the opportunity of saying that the points made by Deputy McGilligan on Committee Stage regarding the position of the Court of Criminal Appeal have been considered. I am satisfied that the Constitution does not restrict the courts to be established to a Court of Final Appeal and Courts of First Instance and that it is open to us to establish other Courts, such as the Court of Criminal Appeal.

I have also considered the suggestion of Deputy McGilligan that the Court of Criminal Appeal should normally consist only of High Court judges, but here again I have come to the conclusion that the proposals in the Bill, which re-enact the existing law, are satisfactory. They have, in fact, operated successfully for a great number of years and, if only for that reason, I would be slow to make any change unless there were to be some compelling advantage to be gained from it. I do not think the proposals would represent an improvement, because I think, as a matter of principle, there should be a representative of the Supreme Court included in the Court of Criminal Appeal. If there is not, there might be a feeling in the minds of the accused persons—there would be no justification for it, but it might be there just the same—that a Court of Appeal, consisting of colleagues of the judge, against whose decision the appeal is being taken, would be less likely to upset that decision than a court having one or more representatives of the Court of Final Appeal.

There is a misprint on the Order Paper.

That is right. "Page."

The amendment on the Order Paper has the form "uage".

It should be "page". As I read it, the title as it will now be, is:

An Act to establish, in pursuance of Article 34 of the Constitution, a Court of Final Appeal, the Court of Criminal Appeal and the Courts of First Instance, to specify the constitution of those courts, to provide for the vacation of judicial offices and the filling of vacancies therein, and, in pursuance of Article 58 of the Constitution, to disestablish the several Courts of Justice mentioned in that article and to abolish the offices of the judges and justices thereof.

That is only amending the title. The important thing is to amend Section 3 of the Bill which constitutes the Court of Criminal Appeal. I had raised this point. Article 34 of the Constitution says that the courts shall comprise Courts of First Instance and a Court of Final Appeal. The Supreme Court is the Court of Appeal, the Court of Final Appeal, which shall be the Appeal Court. The Courts of First Instance are courts other than that.

What we have here is a Court of Criminal Appeal which is not the Court of Final Appeal. There would be an appeal to the Supreme Court on very special points. Clearly it is not a court of first instance. It is a court of appeal of some sort. Its constitution is that there must always be a judge of some sort. The other personnel are from the High Court. First of all, it is not a court of final appeal and it is not a court of first instance. It is a court of appeal in composition hybrid. It is neither a Supreme Court nor a High Court.

I had prepared amendments to Section 3 and I was asked not to move them because the matter, the whole composition of the court, was being considered. What I had by the amendments sought to achieve was a Court of Criminal Appeal set up under Section 3 under the control of the President of the High Court and that the President of the High Court or a member of the High Court be associated with the personnel of the court. That made it a court of the High Court. In hearing appeals that is allowed. Appeals are directed to them by law. Now we seem to be going forward and directly bringing the searchlight of investigation on this by saying that we are establishing by Article 34 of the Constitution the various courts. We are saying that there is to be a Supreme Court, that is to say a Court of Final Appeal—which is all right— Courts of First Instance, and in addition a Court of Criminal Appeal. Then in the body of the Bill we find that the Court of Criminal Appeal falls on either side of the fence, it is an intermediate or hybrid type of court.

I do not want to argue the constitutional issues but I think it is quite clear from the Constitution, from the Irish and English text, that "comprise" in the text means "include". It is perfectly in order to have a court which is not either a Court of First Instance or a Court of Final Appeal.

We have First Instance, Courts of Final Appeal, Supreme Court, High Court and so on, all taken together? Nonsense.

As long as you include First Instance and Final Appeal you fulfil the obligation of the Constitution.

That is the reading of the Constitution?

Amendment agreed to.
Amendment reported and agreed to.
Bill received for final consideration.

Tuesday next.

May I have it now?

I think it would be better to wait until Tuesday for the Fifth Stage.

Fifth Stage ordered for Tuesday, 1st August, 1961.
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