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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 29 Jan 1964

Vol. 207 No. 1

Health (Homes for Incapacitated Persons) Bill, 1963. - Courts Bill, 1963—Second Stage.

I move that the Bill be now read a Second Time. Of the three provisions which it contains, two relate to the Circuit Court and one to the District Court.

In relation to the Circuit Court, the Bill provides that the maximum number of ordinary judges of the Circuit Court shall be nine. As the President of the Circuit Court is, so to speak, a working Circuit Judge, in the sense that he carries out the full duties of a Circuit Court Judge in addition to his functions as President, the practical effect of the Bill will be to provide a maximum of ten Circuit Court Judges. In doing this, the Bill does no more than restore the strength of the Circuit Court bench to what it was up to last August when, under the provisions of the Courts of Justice Act, 1953, the maximum number of judges fell to be reduced by one on the occurrence of a vacancy.

It may be recalled that the 1953 Act authorised the Government to reduce the number of circuits of the Circuit Court from nine to eight, with a provision that the judge who would become unassigned to a circuit on the reduction of the number of circuits would remain unassigned pending the occurrence of a vacancy. There was also a provision that on the occurrence of such vacancy the number of Circuit Court Judges would be reduced by one.

Owing to a combination of reasons, the Order to which I have referred did not come into effect until 1960. It reduced the number of circuits by amalgamating the North-Eastern Circuit and the North-Western Circuit into a new circuit called the Northern Circuit. A vacancy among the Circuit Court Judges did not arise until last August so that up to then there was a spare judge, unassigned to any circuit, who was available to relieve pressure as required.

When the 1960 Order, which reduced the number of circuits outside Dublin from eight to seven, was being prepared in the latter half of 1959, there was good reason to expect that, on the occurrence of a vacancy, a total of nine judges, inclusive of the President of the Circuit Court, would suffice. That expectation was based, in particular, on the belief that it would be possible for two judges to handle the volume of Circuit Court work arising in Dublin. The number of sitting days required in Dublin in the year 1956-57 was 332, in the year 1957-58 was 367 and in the year 1958-59 was 337,—a load which could be carried without undue difficulty by two judges.

Since 1958-59, however, the volume of work in Dublin has increased very substantially so that Dublin now requires practically the whole-time services of three judges. As I mentioned earlier, the unassigned judge was available for service in Dublin until a vacancy occurred last August on the retirement of a Circuit Judge. To avoid the accumulation of arrears to an excessive extent the Government appointed a temporary Circuit Judge at the commencement of term last October. As there is no reason to expect that there will be, in the near future, any overall reduction in the volume of business, and as there is a very real objection in principle to having temporary judges other than for short periods in exceptional circumstances, the Government decided that the proper course is to seek legislative approval to restore the number of permanent judges to that which obtained for many years up to last August.

It is the intention that, when the strength of the Circuit Court Bench has been brought up to that prevailing prior to August last, one of the judges will remain unassigned to a particular circuit. As I have indicated already, his services will, for the most part, be required in Dublin, but he will also be available to give assistance elsewhere as required.

In view of the situation in Dublin and the number of sitting days required there it will, I think, be accepted generally that virtually the full-time services of a third judge are required. It may be objected, however, that, in terms of sitting days, many of the circuits and judges outside Dublin are underloaded and that it should be possible to provide the extra judge for Dublin by reducing further the number of provincial circuits or, alternatively, by arranging that some judges assigned to other circuits would help out in Dublin. These matters have been given careful consideration; regard has been had to the volume of business in the various circuits, to the undesirability of disturbing frequently the constitution of circuits and to the impossibility, because of the large volume of work involved, of having the extra work arising in Dublin performed on what might be described as a casual basis. It has been decided as a result of this examination that the only practical solution is to restore the number of judges to that available up to last August. In matters of this sort we must strive to be as economical as possible but at the same time we must see to it that our courts function adequately and efficiently and that our people are enabled to have their affairs decided without undue delay or inconvenience.

The second provision in relation to the Circuit Court is one which enables the Government, when necessary, to alter the composition of the Circuit Court Circuits, other than the Dublin Circuit and the Cork Circuit. The primary purpose of this provision is to enable the 1960 reorganisation, which led to the creation of the present Northern Circuit, to be modified so as to reduce that circuit to manageable proportions. The Northern Circuit was formed in the 1960 reorganisation by the amalgamation of the entire North-Western Circuit, which consisted of County Donegal and County Sligo, with the entire North-Eastern Circuit, which consisted of Cavan, Leitrim and Monaghan. When the 1960 reorganisation was being considered by the Government, some fears were expressed that the new amalgamated Northern Circuit would prove too heavy for one judge. In the outcome, these fears have proved to be well founded; despite the provision of additional assistance by a second judge, the position in regard to arrears has been unsatisfactory, so that a further revision is unavoidable. Fortunately, the volume of work in adjacent circuits is such as to permit the transfer to these circuits of some of the extra load from the Northern Circuit, and on the enactment of the present Bill, the Government will take appropriate action on these lines.

The provision in the present Bill regarding the alteration of circuits is limited in scope, as it is confined to alterations in the composition of circuits by the addition to or removal from a circuit of a county or county borough. The reorganisations of the Circuit Court authorised by the Courts of Justice Act, 1936 and the Courts of Justice Act, 1953, were much broader in scope and extended to changes in the number of circuits, to the cessation of the assignments of judges and to the making by the Government of fresh assignments of judges to circuits. These latter provisions are not repeated in the provision now before the House, and in view of its limited scope it is considered reasonable that the Government should make changes, of the minor nature envisaged, from time to time without having to seek specific statutory authority. The section provides for prior consultation between the Government, on the one hand, and the President of the Circuit Court and any judge concerned on the other hand, in relation to any proposed alteration.

The fact that the Government will have power to alter circuits from time to time, without specific reference to the Houses of the Oireachtas, should not be taken as an indication of the Government's intention to make such alterations with any frequency. I accept that on general grounds it is desirable that there should be continuity in the composition of circuits so far as it is reasonably possible to maintain this continuity; alterations will be confined to those dictated by considerations of efficiency and of a fair distribution of work.

The final provision in the Bill relates to the District Court and provides that the times at which justices of the District Court may take their vacations shall be such times as may be approved of by the Minister for Justice. This provision does no more than confirm the position which has obtained for the past 40 years. Section 91 of the Courts of Justice Act, 1924 provided that the District Court Rules Committee might make rules for regulating, among other matters, the vacations of the justices, and Section 92 of the same Act provided that such rules required the approval of the Minister for Home Affairs, now the Minister for Justice. No. 173 of the District Court Rules, 1926, provided that:—

Each Justice of the District Court shall be entitled to six weeks holidays in the year, which shall be taken at such time or times as permit of arrangements being made for the proper discharge of public business.

A fresh version of the District Court Rules was produced in 1948, and these Rules, on the subject of Justices' vacation, confine themselves to providing that:—

Each Justice shall be entitled to six weeks holidays in the year.

From 1924 until last year the vacation periods of individual justices were subject to the prior approval of the Minister for Justice, which was given in general or in particular terms as circumstances made appropriate. The change in the wording of the District Court Rule in 1948 made no difference whatever to arrangements regarding vacation. In 1963, however, it was contended on behalf of District Justices that they had a right to take vacation at periods chosen by themselves, without the approval of, or even consultation with, the Minister for Justice. It is obvious that such a contention, if accepted, would make it impossible to arrange for the smooth running of the District Court service, and could readily lead to chaos. The provision in section 5 of the present Bill is designed to maintain the position which has operated in the public interest, and with due regard to the convenience of District Justices, for the past 40 years.

Having dealt with the provisions of the Bill as it stands at present, I should like to mention at this stage that I propose to introduce at the Committee Stage, by way of two amendments, two new provisions designed to improve the efficiency of the Circuit Court and the District Court.

The first of these provisions is designed to impose a restriction on the right of transfer of a criminal case from the Circuit Criminal Court to the Central Criminal Court. This is a matter which has already engaged the attention of the Dáil. Deputies will recall that a provision to restrict this right was included in the Courts (Supplemental Provisions) Bill, 1959, as introduced, and that in the course of the debate I permitted myself to be persuaded not to proceed with the provision. In the intervening period, however, it is becoming progressively clearer that some such restriction is necessary in order to prevent dislocation of court business and avoidable hardship and inconvenience to witnesses and others. The amendment which I shall introduce provides that if the Attorney General or the accused wishes to apply for a transfer of a criminal case from the Circuit Court to the Central Criminal Court, and give seven days notice of the application, the application must be granted. If such notice is not given, the court will have discretion whether or not to grant the application. I propose that the right to transfer shall be confined, as at present, to offences carrying a maximum penalty exceeding one year's imprisonment or five years' penal servitude.

The second amendment which I intend to put down provides for the service of Circuit Court and District Court documents by registered post in areas where the post of summons server is vacant or becomes vacant. With the progressive improvement in the employment situation throughout the country it has become clear that we cannot hope to keep the number of summons servers, of whom there are about 400, up to strength throughout the country, as suitable persons will not be attracted in sufficient numbers unless the Exchequer is called upon to accept a much heavier charge in the way of retainer fees. These fees have recently been increased substantially at a cost of about £6,000 a year, bringing the total annual charge to £20,000 approximately. I am satisfied that in this matter the State has gone as far as it can reasonably be expected to go in subsidising the cost of what is very largely the initiation of civil proceedings. The service of Circuit Court documents by registered post operated satisfactorily for a number of years during the Emergency, and precedents for the service of court documents by registered post have recently been set in the Greyhound Industry Act, 1958, the Solicitors (Amendment) Act, 1960, and the Charities Act, 1961. Registered post service is now an accepted idea on the Continent and is, indeed, being provided for in the Uniform Law on Arbitration now being drafted at Strasbourg, which it is hoped to have adopted in this country. We already have provision for such service in our Arbitration Act of 1954. The change to registered post, which will be confined to areas where there is no summons server, will in time make a significant contribution to reducing the cost of litigation.

The contents of the Bill as it stands at present, together with the two additional provisions which I have mentioned, will help to improve the efficiency of our legal system and I am happy to recommend that the Bill be now read a Second Time.

On the basis of the case made by the Minister for this Bill, there is, I think, very little to recommend it to the House. Substantially, this Bill is introduced for the purpose of increasing the number of judges in the Circuit Court. I should have expected the Minister, when recommending this Bill to the House, to have given Deputies some idea of the type and volume of work Circuit Court judges are required to do, not only in the Dublin Circuits but throughout the country. The Minister has not done that. He has not given the House anything on which the House could judge adequately the recommendation he has made to the House. He has not told the House what effect alteration in the jurisdiction of the Circuit Court and the District Court has had on the question of overloading or underloading the lists with which Circuit Court judges have to deal.

It is particularly inopportune, I think, that the Minister should invite the House to increase the number of Circuit Court judges at a time when the Government have announced their intention of taking away from the Circuit Court jurisdiction workmen's compensation cases, which I have no doubt the House and the Minister will concede, form a very large part of the work of the Circuit Court, particularly in rural areas. At a time when the Government, through the "medium", have announced their policy of taking that work away from the Circuit Court, the Minister comes in here and invites the House to increase the number of judges in the Circuit Court. He will find it very difficult to explain that in such a way as to make it acceptable to and accepted by the people.

Remember, it was only a comparatively few years ago that Ministers of the Minister's Party were solemnly announcing their intentions to reduce the numbers in the Civil Service and to reduce costs. Here is a Bill brought in by the Minister now for the purpose of upsetting a decision of this House, taken in 1953, to reduce the number of Circuit Court judges. It is brought in, as I say, at a time when a colleague of the Minister's announces in the House that it is the Government's intention to take away from the jurisdiction of the court questions dealing with workmen's compensation, which form a very large volume of the work transacted in that court.

That is the major proposal in this Bill. It seems to me unwise for the Minister to proceed with this proposal at the moment. It is unwise for him to proceed with it in view of the circumstances to which I have referred —the imminent departure from the Circuit Court of a great volume of its work. It is unwise to proceed with it, too, at a time when the cost of Government in this country is running at such a high level.

A case might be made for this, but it would require to be demonstrated to the House. I suggest to the Minister that this particular proposal might be left over for the present and if, when we have had some experience of how the new policy in relation to workmen's compensation works out, then, in the light of that experience, the position could be further reviewed and if the court lists are clogged up and the work is not capable of being discharged with reasonable expedition, then it would be time enough, I think, for the Minister to come to this House with his proofs and say to the House that it is clear that, notwithstanding the reduction in the work, other work has taken its place, the court lists are still clogged and have to be freed by the appointment of another judge, or two Circuit Court judges.

I do not think the Minister has made a reasonable case for his proposal at the moment. While I appreciate the Minister's remarks with regard to the alteration in circuits, I do not feel at all happy about the idea of a Minister being able to alter circuits without reference to this House. I do not propose saying any more on that subject at the moment because, as the Minister pointed out, the variations contemplated by him are of a comparatively minor character and he has given an assurance in his opening statement that it is not intended to have recourse to that part of the Bill to any great extent.

The third proposal in the Bill, as it stands, is the question of the annual vacations for district justices. I gather from the Minister that the procedure has been that the annual holidays were, in fact, arranged with the sanction of the Minister, or his Department, and I agree that is as it should be. It does seem to me, however, that a question arises by virtue of the Court Rules of 1948, to which the Minister referred, which provide simply that district justices shall be entitled to six weeks holidays in the year, without any limiting or defining factor. A question arises as to whether or not the Minister is not by this proposal altering the conditions of service of existing district justices.

I have every sympathy with the Minister's point of view. Holidays should be arranged with the consent and approval of the Minister, or his Department, to ensure there will not be any upset to the work that has to be done in the District Court. At the same time, I would be slow to legislate retrospectively in such manner as to alter the conditions of service of a person already appointed. I shall leave that thought with the Minister.

So far as the other two matters mentioned by the Minister are concerned, I think the better course would be to leave over discussion on them until we see the Minister's amendments. I would urge the Minister, however, to reconsider this question of adding to the number of Circuit Court judges.

I regret that Deputy O'Higgins feels I have not made a sufficient case for the appointment of an extra Circuit Court judge. I was perhaps misled in that I thought Deputy O'Higgins, as a busy practitioner in Dublin, would have been even more aware of the position and the need for this appointment than I am. All through last year I had experience of prominent Dublin solicitors, friends of mine or known to me in some way, ringing me up and appealing to me, for heaven's sake, to have a look at the morning's list and see the condition to which the business in the Dublin Circuit Court was steadily declining.

There are some figures which I think illustrate fairly clearly how things have been developing. In 1958-59 the number of sitting days in Dublin was 337. That increased in 1959-60 to 436. That further increased in 1962-63 to 464. Therefore, in that short space of time, the number of sittings increased from 337 to 464. It is not quite fair for Deputy O'Higgins to talk about this Bill providing for an increase in the number of judges. All we are doing is maintaining the existing number. The proposal was made in 1953 to reduce the number. That proposal never became operative because, as Deputies know, a retirement did not take place until last autumn. Therefore, right up to last autumn, we had ten Circuit Court judges and all this Bill seeks to do is to keep that position.

But to keep them on a permanent basis.

On a permanent basis rather than a temporary basis. I think Deputies will agree that temporary judges of any sort is not a good basis. Whatever number we need, let us have permanent judges.

I agree, except in a situation where you announce in advance you are going to virtually halve the number.

I shall deal with that later. I am talking about the situation as we find it today. It is also true that the situation in Donegal is becoming impossible. I am assured by the judges, by counsel and by solicitors that the situation in that northern circuit is unworkable and is steadily becoming more so. Indeed, a prominent member of the Fine Gael Party suggested, when talking to me about this matter, that I should appoint two extra Circuit Court Judges and not one, as I am proposing to do now. On his assessment of the situation, he assured me that I would be forced to do it eventually and that I might as well do it now.

Can the Minister say at the moment if further consideration is being given to an increase in the jurisdiction of the Circuit Court?

Not at the present time. Deputy O'Higgins has a point, which is to some extent valid, about the proposal to take workmen's compensation cases away from the Circuit. That has been announced as a matter of Government policy. From my point of view, as the one responsible for the administration of justice, I do not know yet how that proposal is going to work, whether the courts will be still involved to a lesser or a greater extent.

I will have 5/- with the Minister that the amount of common law cases will treble.

I know Deputy Collins is speaking from considerable experience when he says that. I would be very reluctant at this stage to make any sort of estimate. My colleague, the Minister for Social Welfare, is working on this scheme at the moment. Until it has been settled and promulgated, we will not know exactly what the result of the change will be on the courts. In the meantime, surely it would be very unwise to let the situation drift? Deputy O'Higgins is going the wrong way about this. He says: "Let us wait until we see how this affects the courts and then decide what to do". My attitude is the opposite. We must deal with the present situation. I am proposing to deal with it now. I do not know when this new scheme will become workable. By that time, if we find we can do without a judge in the Circuit Court, it will be a simple matter to wait for the first retirement. These retirements come up all the time. If at that stage we find it not necessary to reappoint, we need not reappoint.

The Minister will agree that Deputy O'Higgins is right when he says that, if we make it ten, we will never see it going back to nine in our lifetime?

I would not go that far. Whatever the effect of the change in the workmen's compensation will be, it is true that in our time the work done by the Circuit Court will progressively increase. Far from dealing with a declining volume of business, I am sure that from year to year a far greater volume of business will be dealt with in the Circuit Court.

My attitude on this is that it is the general public who matter. We all agree that we want to see our people get speedy and efficient justice and get it at the cheapest possible price. That is the objective and ideal at which we should aim. If we are to have this valuable Circuit Court clogged up, then we are not doing a good service to our people. We owe it to them to enable them to have access to this court readily, freely and without any undue delay or inconvenience. That is why we are bringing this proposal to the House. I can assure Deputies that by the time I was satisfied this proposal was necessary and was able to satisfy my colleague, the Minister for Finance, and the Government that it was desirable, every argument was well considered and every aspect of the matter was carefully probed. It was only because everybody concerned was satisfied it was necessary that I brought this Bill to the House.

As Deputy O'Higgins mentions, I think it is better to leave over the discussion of other aspects of the Bill to the Committee Stage. I recommend the Bill to the House as something vitally necessary for the administration of justice in the country at present.

Has the Minister considered the point raised by Deputy O'Higgins about the possible retrospective effect of the change in the holidays?

I have, yes.

Is there anything in it?

I do not think so. I am doing no more than what has been always the practice. This contention was made for the first time last year.

Generally speaking, there is a spirit of compromise between the Department and the district justices about holidays?

The district justices have always been very co-operative indeed. The system could not work without the maximum amount of co-operation. What happens is that in each year we work out pairing arrangements. Two district justices arrange to go on leave at different times and one takes over the other's district when he is away. This is worked out in advance with my Department. The business proceeds quite smoothly. If it were to be contended seriously by one or two or more district justices that they were entitled to take their holidays at any time they wished, without reference to my Department or without reference to these pairing arrangements, we would be in serious difficulties.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 57; Níl, 47.

  • Aiken, Frank.
  • Allen, Lorcan.
  • Bartley, Gerald.
  • Blaney, Neil T.
  • Boland, Kevin.
  • Booth, Lionel.
  • Brady, Philip A.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Brennan, Joseph.
  • Brennan, Paudge.
  • Breslin, Cormac.
  • Calleary, Phelim A.
  • Carter, Frank.
  • Childers, Erskine.
  • Clohessy, Patrick.
  • Colley, George.
  • Collins, James J.
  • Corry, Martin J.
  • Cotter, Edward.
  • Crinion, Brendan.
  • Crowley, Honor M.
  • Cummins, Patrick J.
  • Cunningham, Liam.
  • Davern, Mick.
  • de Valera, Vivion.
  • Dolan, Séamus.
  • Dooley, Patrick.
  • Egan, Kieran P.
  • Egan, Nicholas.
  • Fanning, John.
  • Faulkner, Padraig.
  • Gallagher, James.
  • Geoghegan, John.
  • Gibbons, James M.
  • Gilbride, Eugene.
  • Gogan, Richard P.
  • Haughey, Charles.
  • Hillery, Patrick.
  • Hilliard, Michael.
  • Kitt, Michael F.
  • Lalor, Patrick J.
  • Lemass, Seán.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Lynch, Jack.
  • MacCarthy, Seán.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Medlar, Martin.
  • Millar, Anthony G.
  • Moher, John W.
  • Mooney, Patrick.
  • Ó Briain, Donnchadh.
  • O'Connor, Timothy.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Sherwin, Frank.
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Timmons, Eugene.

Níl

  • Barrett, Stephen D.
  • Barron, Joseph.
  • Barry, Anthony.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Belton, Paddy.
  • Browne, Michael.
  • Burke, James J.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Crotty, Patrick J.
  • Desmond, Dan.
  • Dillon, James M.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Dunne, Thomas.
  • Esmonde, Sir Anthony C.
  • Everett, James.
  • Farrelly, Denis.
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hogan, Patrick (South Tipperary).
  • Hogan O'Higgins, Brigid.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Kyne, Thomas A.
  • Lynch, Thaddeus.
  • McAuliffe, Patrick.
  • Burton, Philip.
  • Carroll, Jim.
  • Casey, Seán.
  • Collins, Seán.
  • Connor, Patrick.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • MacEoin, Seán.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • Murphy, William.
  • O'Donnell, Patrick.
  • O'Donnell, Thomas G.
  • O'Higgins, Michael J.
  • O'Higgins, Thomas F. K.
  • O'Keeffe, James.
  • O'Reilly, Patrick.
  • O'Sullivan, Denis J.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Sweetman, Gerard.
  • Tierney, Patrick.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Tully, James.
Tellers :—Tá: Deputies J. Brennan and Geoghegan; Níl: Deputies O'Sullivan and Crotty.
Question declared carried.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 5th February, 1964.
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