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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 18 Nov 1964

Vol. 212 No. 7

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Civil Service Commission.

14.

Mr. Ryan

asked the Minister for Finance the names and addresses of the Civil Service Commissioners; the dates and duration of their respective appointments; and the remuneration they receive, including travelling and subsistence expenses.

The information sought by the Deputy is set out in a tabular statement which with the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I propose to circulate with the Official Report.

Following is the statement:-

Names and Addresses of Commissioners

Dates of Appointment

Remuneration as Commissioner

Chairman:

An t-Uasal Pádraig Ó h-Ogáin, B.L., T.D., Ceann Comhairle na Dála, Leinster House, Dublin 2.

19 June, 1951

Nil

Commissioners:

An t-Uasal Lughaidh MacGearailt, M.A., Assistant Secretary, Department of Finance, Upper Merrion St., Dublin 2.

1 April, 1948

Non-pensionable allowance of £230 per annum.

An t-Uasal Nioclás S. Ó Nualláin, Ph.D., Secretary, Department of An Taoiseach, Upper Merrion St., Dublin, 2.

1 April, 1953

Non-pensionable allowance of £230 per annum.

The above appointments were made without limitation on their duration.

The Commissioners do not normally incur travelling or subsistence expenses in the discharge of their duties.

Mr. Ryan

Whatever they are paid, they are paid too much for doing wrong.

15.

Mr. Ryan

asked the Minister for Finance the number and rank of the personnel in the office of the Civil Service Commission and their pay.

The information sought by the Deputy is set out in a tabular statement which, with the permission of the Ceann Comhairle, I propose to circulate with the Official Report.

Following is the statement:

PERSONNEL of the Office of the Civil Service Commission (a).

Number

Rank

Salary Scale

1

Secretary

Scale B: £2,335+£82—£2,875.

4

Assistant Principal

1 on Scale B: £1,895+£62—£2,335.3 on Scale B: £1,770+£54—£2,090.

3

Higher Executive Officer

Scale B: £1,305+£53—£1,770.

10

Executive Officer

2 on Scale A: £540+£38—£1,280.8 on Scale B: £540+£50—£1,040+£56— £1,600.

7

Staff Officer

Scale A: £680+£26—£985.

7

Clerical Officer

Scale A: 145/7 (under 18 years) 151/3 (at

18 years or at entry over 18)+8/5—168/1

+17/11—186/-+9/10—254/10+13/5—

308/6+17/8—343/6 per week (b).

33

Clerk-Typist

110/4 (under 18 years) 117/6 (at 18 years or at entry over 18)+8/5—134/4+19/7— 153/11+7/10—200/11+7/3—237/- per week.

5

Messenger

183/-+7/11—206/3 per week (c).

1

Blind Telephonist

126/- (at 18 years), 135/- (at 19 years), 145/4 (at 20 years), 168/9 (at 21 years), 176/9 (at 22 years), 186/9 (at 23 years), 193/9 (at 24 years or at entry over 24)+7/— 235/9 per week.

3

Cleaner (Woman)

102/6 per week.

Total 74

(a) The personnel also serve the Local Appointments Commission.

(b) 1 officer in receipt of an allowance of 14/- per week as Superintendent of Typists.

(c) 1 Messenger in receipt of non-pensionable allowance of 28/- per week for special duties.

3 Messengers in receipt of non-pensionable allowance of 17/4 per week for special duties.

16.

Mr. Ryan

asked the Minister for Finance the amount collected in each of the past five years by the Civil Service Commission in respect of examination fees.

The information sought by the Deputy is set out in a tabular statement which, with your permission, a Cheann Comhairle, I propose to circulate with the Official Report.

Following is the statement:

Financial Year

Amount of examina- tion fees collected

£

1959-60

7,688

1960-61

11,371

1961-62

11,727

1962-63

8,898

1963-64

13,912

17.

Mr. Ryan

asked the Minister for Finance the method of appointment and of termination of appointment of the Civil Service Commissioners.

The Civil Service Commissioners are appointed by the Government in accordance with the provisions of section 9 of the Civil Service Commissioners Act, 1956. Section 10 of that Act provides that each Commissioner shall hold office at the will and pleasure of the Government and that a Commissioner may at any time resign his office by letter addressed to and sent to the Government.

Mr. Ryan

Since they hold office at the "will and pleasure of the Government", are we to accept that it is "the will and pleasure of the Government" that a person suspected of irregularities at an examination is not to be told what that suspicion is?

The phrase "will and pleasure of the Government" means that we appoint the Commissioners and tell them to do their duty faithfully and honestly, which I believe they are doing.

Mr. Ryan

But if you find—and the Minister has it now before him from me and from other sources—information which indicates that a person suspected of irregularity has never been told what that irregularity is, does the Minister stand over the Commissioners?

The Minister is not listening at all.

Mr. Ryan

He does not wish to.

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