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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 7 Jul 1966

Vol. 223 No. 14

Adjournment (Summer Recess).

I move:—

That the Dáil at its rising this week for the Summer recess do adjourn until Tuesday, 27th September.

It has been usual at this time of the year either in connection with an Adjournment Debate or on the Estimate for the Department of the Taoiseach to give a survey of the more important matters bearing on the national economic situation. Notwithstanding some unusual features in the Dáil procedures on this occasion, I intend to avail of the opportunity of giving such a general review. This debate covers also two confidence motions which have appeared on the Order Paper by reason of the rather childish jockeying for political advantage and precedence in Dáil debates between the two Opposition Parties. I hope they will not feel offended if I do not take them very seriously. The important thing is that the Government should continue to have confidence in themselves and in their policies and should retain the support of a working majority in Dáil Éireann. I hope to demonstrate that these conditions prevail.

There are many Deputies who are, no doubt, familiar with all the relevant statistics relating to agricultural and industrial output, external trade, employment, prices and other matters of economic significance in recent years, and it is not necessary for me to recount them. Some Deputies have, indeed, complained of getting too many reports and statistical returns, but this information, even if its significance is given different interpretations according to the Party affiliations of Deputies, needs to be fully understood by any Deputy who desires to grasp the nature of the problems with which the Government and the country are faced at this time or may have to face in the future.

There are many features of our situation at this time which are justifiably a cause of concern, but there are many things also which are going right. The matters which are right far exceed in number and importance those that are wrong. Notwithstanding variations in our rate of progress, the country is still moving ahead. Under our two Programmes for Economic Expansion, the country emerged from a period of prolonged economic stagnation, of uncertain aims and diminishing confidence, and has achieved significant progress. If there is no desire to exaggerate and no advantage in exaggerating what has been accomplished, it should not be minimised either.

Progress has not been uniform either from one year to another or one branch of economic activity to another. As was not unexpected, various difficulties, some of which were foreseen and some unforeseen, have presented themselves, although in every single year, the rate of economic growth, even when it fell below that envisaged in the Programme, was substantially above the average experienced in earlier years. We have still a long way to go, and many difficult and complicated problems to settle, before we can be certain of achieving our aims of full employment and a substantial reduction of emigration with reasonable price stability and, taking one year with another, a balance in our external payments, but we remain convinced that these objectives are attainable.

The Second Programme was prepared, as Deputies will remember, on the assumption that the country would be fully within a free trade system, as a member of EEC, by 1970. In its preparation, every effort was made to anticipate the effects of free trade on the growth of agricultural and industrial output, on external trade and on employment. It was encouraging to be able to publish our conclusion that there were no insuperable barriers to the adaptation of the national economy to the requirements of free trade, in a way in which its continued growth could be not only assured but accelerated.

This does not mean that there are no barriers. On the contrary, it was recognised that very substantial changes would be necessary, particularly in the organisation and establishment of industry, and in all the services on which industry had to rely, and that getting these changes completed in time was going to require a very great national effort indeed, and would call for revolutionary alterations of outlook, on the part of industrial management in particular, but also within the leadership of our trade unions, and the formation of a new atmosphere in which dedication to efficiency and work would become an outstanding national characteristic. This work of adaptation and change is going on although it needs to be speeded up still further. There are too many forces pulling the wrong way to secure the results we need. The assumption of membership of EEC by 1970 is still valid, and the need for a very thorough overhall of the national economy is now reinforced by the commencement of operation of the Free Trade Agreement with Britain.

We have been keeping in close touch with developments in EEC and in the relations between the EEC and other applicant countries, particularly Britain. There is still a degree of uncertainty as to the extent and reality of the changes in attitudes relating to British membership which have been hinted at in newspaper comments, but sufficient grounds exist for the expectation that developments are likely to occur. The important thing for us to keep in mind is that when they happen they may come very quickly. It is very probable that, if formal negotiations for British membership should be resumed, they will not take nearly as long as in the 1961-62 period, and could well conclude in a very short time.

We are keeping in the closest possible touch with this position. Although we have no reason to think there is any lessening of understanding about our position in EEC circles, or anything useful which we could do to further our interests at this time and until the main problem affecting British membership has been settled, it is our intention, during the course of the Dáil Recess, to arrange for a Ministerial delegation to Brussels to explore the situation thoroughly.

The relationship between this situation and our national development policies needs no emphasis. It has to be reiterated that free trade, whether in the context of EEC membership or the British Agreement, means an intensification of competition in our home market and that it is only when all our producers have brought about the changes which will enable them to meet this competition that they can undertake with confidence the tasks involved in expanding exports, with real assurance of success, by their combined efforts, in building up the volume of trade, which will contribute to balancing our external payments. As we have frequently stated, it would be very unsafe to rely on any expectation that the period for dismantling our tariffs, negotiated in the British Agreement, can be carried over into EEC.

Membership of EEC, any more than the British Agreement, will not solve all our problems. It will be solely up to ourselves to use the opportunities that will be presented to us. Although, unlike some other countries in Western Europe, we have not attained full employment, we can note that in other respects the members of EEC have encountered much the same problems as we have, including the tendency of prices to keep on rising by reason of pressure on costs not offset by improvements in productivity.

Because of the very real progress which has been made in expanding total national output, the country is much better off than it used to be, although it is not as well off as we would like it to be or as it can become if we tackle our problems systematically and successfully. I have said that the rise in prosperity has not been uniform in all areas, or experienced equally in all social categories, and this is a matter for concern. No doubt, there will always be some disparities in a free economy, but it is and must remain the aim of policy to rectify them as they appear. In so far as this involves action by the Government, it means action through the Budget, for the redistribution of income in favour of farmers, or social welfare classes, or for the benefit of western regions, or in some other way, which represents a burden on the whole community which they must be willing to bear, with understanding of the need for it, if not always cheerfully.

The social aims underlying our economic policy, which have been restated on various occasions, are to raise up the living standards of all sections in line with increasing national income, and to bring about the gradual elimination of all undue disparities. The word "gradual" must be stressed in this context, because this is the way in which a free society must work and to attempt to impose a more rapid rate of change, by authoritarian methods, could very well disrupt and defeat the whole development campaign. It is also essential that the claims of any one section are not pressed so unduly as to prejudice the prospects of equivalent benefits for others. This is a constant problem in every free democracy and we have our full share of it.

In the effort to raise living standards and to eliminate undue disparities, action is necesstary on a very wide front. It is not simply a matter of farm price supports, or wage increases, or the expansion of social welfare arrangements. Particularly in the area of education and training, so far as workers are concerned and in the improvement of farm structures, so far as farmers are concerned, there is a great deal which has yet to be done. We are all of us upset by the realisation that some workers and some farmers have incomes so far below the national average as to be anomalous, and even if it is correct that this income represents the economic value of their work and their production, and notwithstanding that it is supplemented by such public services as children's allowances, the answer, or a large part of the answer, to the problem must be to increase their earning capacity, by training in new skills, or, in the case of farmers, by expanding the productive capacity of their holdings in area and fertility. Achieving these social aims of raising the living standards of all social groups and diminishing disparities between them must therefore involve action embracing all the Departments of Government and a comprehensive Government policy in which all aspects are covered and which can be applied uniformly and consistently.

The particular feature of our Irish situation which is paralleled in all other western European countries is the continuing contraction of the numbers occupied in agriculture notwithstanding the simultaneous expansion of agricultural output. This contraction is one of the most potent factors sustaining the rate of emigration. Emigration, although well below the level of ten years ago, has not declined as much as was envisaged in the Second Programme. Although employment in non-agricultural occupations has since 1960 risen faster than the numbers employed in agriculture declined, the margin is still much too narrow. This is one reason why we are now seeking to develop arrangements which will provide for training for new occupations and for the relocation in areas of expanding employment of those whom agricultural work no longer attracts or whom agriculture no longer needs for the purpose of sustaining the increase in output. This is a major social problem and it would be reckless to promise a quick or easy solution. It must be and be seen to be one of the main purposes of national endeavour in the years ahead of us.

The regional development programmes which are now being worked out are part of this operation and are intended to facilitate us in achieving the further aim of maintaining a fairly uniform distribution of population and of economic activities in all areas of the country. Regional policies such as we envisage cannot be executed without cost but we would regard them as a profitable investment because, apart from the social content, they will also facilitate the fuller utilisation of the nation's productive capacity.

The progress of the economy of any modern country is linked with science and its technical applications. There has been in recent years a veritable explosion of scientific knowledge which is having widespread economic consequences in every country. In this respect, however, small countries are inevitably handicapped. This is a handicap we have to live with and we must try to make up for our limited resources by the fullest and most economical use of the resources which are available and particularly by our willingness to concentrate them on the development of educational and technical training arrangements so that our main assets, the intelligence and adaptability of our people, are fully utilised.

The recent National Industrial and Economic Council comment on the earlier OECD Report on Investment in Education emphasises the need for a very considerable expansion of financial outlay on educational development which, as the NIEC pointed out, must mean either giving this form of development priority in the allocation of public funds over other expenditures however desirable or willingness to accept further taxation to make it possible.

The decision to give educational development the priority it deserves is the more practicable of these alternatives because, in regard to taxation, we must also avoid placing so heavy a burden on present production as to restrict its further expansion. There is no question, however, but that the capacity of the country to go ahead in the competitive conditions of the modern world will depend to a very great extent on our success in raising up the levels of skill in our industrial, professional and agricultural labour forces and applying the fruits of scientific discoveries in our industry and agriculture.

To an ever-increasing degree the policy of the Government will be directed to this end and we will have to endure the political criticisms which it may evoke from the unthinking as other desirable developments are necessarily slowed down to enable this essential educational programme to be fulfilled. The extent that the educational programme may require either the postponement or the slowing-down of developments in other areas or the imposition of further taxation will, of course, depend on the rate of economic growth that can be realised. Economic development policy is the key to all national problems. Everything turns on it, including our capacity as a small nation in a highly competitive world to survive at all as an independent economic entity.

Economic policy underlies all our plans and everything which delays or obstructs the achieving of economic aims is a blow to the achievement of national aims in every direction.

The possibility of maintaining the rate of economic growth envisaged in the Second Programme depends on many contingencies but of constant and particular importance is the achievement of a proper balance between the growth of physical production and monetary demands, which we have not yet achieved, and on the continuing expansion of exports based on increasing competitiveness, which is not yet sufficiently appreciated in many quarters.

The average annual rate of growth achieved between 1960 and 1965 was four per cent. This was a respectable achievement by any standard of comparison and a quite spectacular achievement compared with the record of our earlier years. Nevertheless, we have to try to improve on it. Earlier this year a prospect of a 3¾ per cent growth rate in 1966 was published in the progress Report for 1965. I think we must now face the probability that it may not be realised because of industrial stoppages at home and the effect of the British seamen's strike. Our growth rate in this year is more likely to be somewhere between 2½ and 3 per cent, say, 2¾ per cent. If this proves to be correct and taking into account the 2½ per cent rate of economic growth achieved in 1965, we would need to expand our production in every sector to give an average annual rate of 5.4 per cent in the remaining years of the decade if the Second Programme target for 1970 is to be attained. This would be something which we have accomplished only in one previous year—1960. It is, nevertheless, a not impossible target to set ourselves but we are unlikely to reach it unless we are willing to forgo the luxury of interrupting the growth of production for the purpose of trade disputes or other agitations.

All the present indications are, however, that the temporary difficulties which emerged in 1965 and which interrupted the smooth growth of the economy have been left behind and the prospects for the immediate future are hopeful. There has been a notable improvement in the balance of payments situation. The import excess for the first five months of 1966 was £20¾ million less than in the same period in 1965. Exports were £9.3 million or nearly 12 per cent greater than in the first five months of 1965. This improvement in trade occurred even though exports of live cattle have so far not made any substantial contribution to it. A further increase in exports can be expected with the entry into force of the Free Trade Area Agreement with Britain, the ending of the shipping strike and the prospect of the removal of the British surcharge later in the year. Coinciding with the improvement in the trading position, there has been a marked rise in the external assets of the banking system and departmental funds. These were almost £21 million greater in April, 1966, than at the same date last year.

Industrial production has been sluggish enough in the earlier months of the year and statistics for the March quarter, 1966, show the volume of output in transportable goods and manufacturing industries did not greatly exceed the level for the same period of last year, an increase of only one and a half per cent being recorded. However, there is reason to believe that the industrial sector will considerably improve upon this performance later in the year.

All the indications are that the action which was taken by the Government, to deal with the situation, has arrested, and brought under control, the unfavourable trends which, if not rectified, could have proved very harmful to our economic prospects. We intend to maintain such measures as are required to stop demand from outrunning available resources. Of course, forecasting is never an easy business, and past experience has shown that care has to be exercised when the question comes up of modifying the emphasis in economic management policy. Nevertheless, general economic conditions would now appear to favour a gradual release of more resources for productive purposes. The effect of this will be felt mainly in the private sector, but the Government are also considering the feasibility of releasing in some degree the limitations on the capital programme which were unavoidable earlier in the year and indeed which may still be so.

This expansion of output required to realise our development target has to be achieved in conditions which will give some assurance of price stability, of balancing our external payments, and of being able to maintain the high rate of capital commitment which is involved. Unless all these conditions are realised, we cannot succeed. The greatest danger lies in excessive demand for higher monetary incomes, and this is why this aspect of our affairs is stressed so frequently in Ministerial speeches. It is this which can cause private consumption expenditure to rise above the level that can be supported by national production, involving an inflation of imports and which, by forcing prices upwards, can result in a situation in which competitive export sales cannot be maintained, much less increased. We cannot go on running an excessive deficit on our external trade with the rest of the world: the world will not allow us to do it. Nor can we rely on a growing inflow of capital from abroad to cover up the consequences of any disorder in our internal economic arrangements. These are precisely the circumstances in which capital investment is inhibited.

This has been a year of sizeable taxation increases and of two Finance Acts to ensure the raising of sufficient revenue to enable the Government's commitments on current account to be met within a balanced Budget. If we should be forced by the level of personal incomes rising faster than resources into a situation in which the curtailment of the growth of public spending, whether on capital or current account became unavoidable, we would not only have to abandon our hopes in the areas of education, health, and social welfare, but also to accept that the overall growth rate envisaged for the national economy as a whole would be completely unrealisable. We do not have scope for cutting public spending without grave and immediate economic and social consequences.

I do not want to cover ground already trodden over in our recent financial debates but no review of our national situation which did not embrace this constant financial problem would be realistic. Our public spending, whether on current or capital account, as a percentage of total national income, is still very much below that which other European countries maintain, and this restricts us in our efforts to catch up with them, both in regard to the level of our economic activities, and in our personal living standards. We should not lightly consider the possibility of a drastic cut in the public services. We must therefore be willing to accept that excessive growth in private incomes and private consumption should be avoided or restrained by taxation so that greater provision can be made for public activity and particularly for investment in new production possibilities and in houses, hospitals, roads and schools. The standard of living of our people in the future will depend on the extent to which we are prepared to accept restraint now and to concur in taxation to maintain the standard of public services and the facilities on which future economic growth and social progress depends.

These considerations emphasise the growing importance in the fulfilment of economic and social policies of what, for want of a better term, is called Incomes Policy, which must aim at a fair improvement of the living standards of all social groups, while keeping the over-all expansion of money incomes, and of consumption expenditure, within reasonable bounds, by means which impose the minimum sacrifices for any particular class. We have never failed to recognise that the Government must play a leading role in bringing this about. It would be a very considerable contribution to national economic progress, and to financial stability, if we could envisage a stabilisation of tax rates over some period of years, keeping the growth of public spending within the limits of revenue buoyancy. It will be the aim of the Government to achieve this, but it would not be sensible to make this such a rigid objective of policy as to impose an impossible degree of restraint on the realisation of improvements and extensions of public services, such as education and health, for which public opinion is constantly pressing.

The rate of economic growth which we have programmed and which we need, requires for its realisation an even faster rate of growth of investment in productive capacity both public and private, than we have yet achieved. An ever-expanding growth of investment is essential to solve our economic problems. This must come about through private initiative and in large measure be achieved by the reinvestment of business profits. In circumstances where private saving is already insufficient for public investment needs, and where the capital market is tight, this seems to be the only feasible course. While to some members of the Dáil, profit is a dirty word, we have either to forgo our development prospects or accept that business firms must be permitted and facilitated to achieve reasonable profits subject to the requirements of dividend limitations and the obligation of increased reinvestment. Despite what I have said earlier in this connection, the scope for increasing public expenditure, in some desirable directions, by reducing it in others, is very restricted. Not even a draconian policy of curtailment would release a sufficient volume of resources to make a significant contribution, although reorganisation of methods and changes in the management of administration could perhaps enable some economies to be made.

It must not be forgotten that the bulk of Government spending represents income for many people and has to be judged in the light of social needs and our conceptions of social justice and social progress. Subsidies on production, in agriculture and industry, may be open to theoretical objections, and social welfare payments may yield no direct economic gains, but few will propose their curtailment in our present circumstances and the consequences of curtailment would be widespread.

If it would be feasible to define a plan for public spending both on current and capital accounts for a number of years and to stick to it, it would be helpful in determining the Budget problem we may have to face in the future, but again only at the risk of introducing a degree of rigidity into the management of our public finances that would be very restrictive in its effect. At this time, it is clear that the limiting factor in respect of the capital programme is our capacity to raise capital funds at home and abroad for its fulfilment.

Public financial policy is the central area of Government policy, but what is possible in this area depends not only on public needs and demands, in respect of the services to be provided, but also on the economic development forecasts, which can never be completely accurate. There is a constant need to avoid policies which involve an ever-mounting charge on public revenue, which are always fairly easy to start but involve an ever-increasing limitation on the Government's freedom of action in other spheres in future years. Notwithstanding all our present problems and those which we will inevitably encounter in the future whether arising from internal or external circumstances, there is nothing fundamentally wrong in our country's situation and we can be confident that national progress can be maintained in every sector of activity provided that understanding grows of the nature of our problems and of the magnitude of the opportunities which are open to us and that there exists in all the organs of Government, in business management and the trade unions, the capacity and the desire to give to the cause of national progress the priority over other considerations which is the distinctive characteristic of a democracy and the condition essential to its successful working.

In the Dáil, we have had our debates and controversies, the clash of Party interests and personal incompatibilities, but somehow the work gets done if not as expeditiously as we would wish nevertheless at a fairly uniform output. Because of the volume of business, particularly Estimates left over from this session, and because of the legislation in preparation, it is necessary to ask the Dáil to re-assemble earlier in the Autumn than is customary. I know that Deputies of all Parties need a fairly long adjournment at this time to enable them to renew contacts with their constituencies and to perform all the work of public representatives which is not related to Dáil business. I hope that we will be able to organise our affairs in future years so as to permit of summer adjournments of normal length. Nevertheless, I hope all Deputies will be able to make some use of the recess to secure a period of relaxation which will ensure that they will all return on September 27th in good health and in good humour.

I want to say, at the outset, that the Labour Party decided to table their motion of no confidence before the Presidential election. They also decided that this motion would be tabled on the morning of the count because, in accordance with our approach to the Presidential election, we decided that no act of ours, such as a motion of no confidence, should be thrown into the arena of the Presidential election as we believed it should not be a political test. However, I say this in retort to the smart alec remarks the Taoiseach is prone to make about the jockeying between this Party and the other Opposition Party.

Listening to the Taoiseach this morning, in what one would describe as a detached State of the Nation speech, one would imagine he was talking about some other country and that he had not very much responsibility for many of the difficulties or all of the difficulties which he listed during his half-hour speech. We have heard this type of speech from the Taoiseach before. As a matter of fact, after the result of the Presidential election, he felt constrained to issue a report of what was described as the Government's policy aims. These may be aims but one of the great difficulties about the Fianna Fail Party is that they seem to assume, when they set targets or aims for themselves, that they will be realised without making the maximum effort to see that they are realised.

I think this motion is warranted in present circumstances. We felt bound to table it in view of the undoubted deterioration of the economy over the past 18 months, and particularly on account at the apparent lack of concern of the Government and their failure to acknowledge the danger signals. We are asking, therefore, that Dáil Éireann pass a vote of no confidence in this Government. If the country had an opportunity in two or three weeks, I have no doubt that they, too, would pass a vote of no confidence in the Fianna Fáil Party. As far as the support of the country is concerned, they have not had this confidence either in this Dáil or in the previous Dáil because in this Dáil they are dependent for their support on Independents or the absence of certain Deputies. In the previous Dáil, they were dependent for their support on three or four Independents, as well. But, as a minority Government, I believe they should be much more alert to the danger signs and much more active in taking corrective measures. One could understand, but not excuse, their complacency if they had a majority of ten, 12 or 14, as they had in other years.

In a situation in which they are, in fact, a minority Government, one would imagine that, even in an effort of self-preservation, they would have been more active and less complacent over the past 18 months or two years. There is ample evidence that the Government have lost control. It cannot be said that they did not get a chance from the Labour Party and, I suppose, from the rest of the Opposition in the undoubted difficulties with which they have had to contend over that period. No undue advantage was taken of that situation, as was the case in 1956, when the then Government were subjected to all kinds of barrages of criticism from the Fianna Fáil Party who took every opportunity to gain political advantage from the difficulties, small or large, which the Government of that day had to face.

It must be admitted that, in the period I have mentioned, we advocated certain corrective measures. It is also true that the Government adopted some of the suggestions made from these benches and from the Labour Party but unfortunately too late. I was quite amused the other day to hear the Minister for Finance refer to the speeches from this side of the House as somewhat treasonable. He talked about the publicity in the foreign press for critical Opposition speeches. We are all as careful to guard the good reputation of this House as any member in it or as any Party in it but it is going a little bit too far, I think, to allege that it is treasonable or that it does damage to this country outside if, on a Budget debate or on any general debate, we criticise where we believe criticism is justified.

We believe that this motion is warranted. We believe it is our duty to place the responsibility on this Fianna Fáil Government and to get more adequate replies to the matters mentioned in our motion of no confidence than have been given by the Taoiseach in his speech here this morning. We were the first to admit that factors outside the control of the Government have an effect on the economy. It is true that the British surcharge, introduced in November, 1964, has had its effect but this is not a complete alibi. I heard the Taoiseach talk this morning about the seamen's strike. He made some reference to industrial unrest. We can see that all these have an effect, and must have an effect, on the state of the economy, but they are puny compared with the inactivity of the Government and their reluctance to do things they have been asked to do and which I believe they are afraid to do. One could not describe the Fianna Fáil Party as a Party of either private enterprise or public enterprise. They have always tried to balance delicately on the seesaw with public enterprise on one side and private enterprise on the other. The Government will have to make a decision that there will be greater emphasis on public enterprise, having regard to the size of the country and to the financial resources available here. The Government have proved shortsighted in the past 18 months; or, if not, I say they are guilty of putting Party before country in their failure to take what might appear to be unpopular decisions prior to elections.

Mark you, the fortunes of this country have been guided or influenced to a very large extent by the incidence of elections, whether general elections, local elections or Presidential elections. Prior to these elections, or in anticipation of them, we have false impressions of the state of the economy being created, not alone by members of the Government but by the Taoiseach himself. The notable example of that was in February, 1965, the bad year of 1965. That was the year the Taoiseach knew a general election would take place. At the time of the by-election in mid-Cork, it must have been abundantly clear to everybody, as I am sure it was to members of the Government, that they would lose this election and that would necessitate the holding of a general election because of the depletion in the numbers in the Government Party. There were other examples in by-elections where things were done merely to gain favour with the electorate, if not in a certain area, certainly in a certain constituency.

The cowardice of the Government and their reluctance to face the public is exemplified surely, and demonstrated, in their action, through the Minister for Local Government, in postponing the local elections this year, the excuse being that we had had a general election last year, a Presidential election this year and it would, therefore, be inconvenient and expensive for them and local authorities to hold the local elections this year. We have a situation, therefore, in which the Fianna Fáil Government and Party will not even allow their local representatives to face the people.

The year 1965 was a bad year. In February of that year, the Taoiseach spoke here and I would advise him now to look back at that speech again. If he wants the reference, I will give it to him; it is volume 214, column 586 of the Official Report. He talked about the continuing economic progress and boasted about national production going up in 1964, forecasting a further increase in 1965; he described in glowing terms national income and expenditure on day-to-day consumption, giving the impression that 1965 was going to be the best year we had since the First and Second Programmes for Economic Expansion were introduced. As a matter of fact, he did not give this as his own opinion. In that volume and at that column, he said:

Discussions with our leading industrialists have justified forecasts of a corresponding rate of growth in industrial output and industrial exports during this year.

This was before the mid-Cork by-election and prior to the general election last year. If we could shut out 1965, close the book, so to speak, and say: "Well, this is finished; let us start anew," that would be all right; and, if we could regard 1966 as a clean sheet in the book, maybe that would be all right as well. But, despite what the Taoiseach said here this morning, all the indications are that the prospects for 1966 are not as encouraging as he appears to think they are.

It is true that the balance of payments position has improved. Whilst the deficit in 1965 rose to £42 million, for the year ended May, 1966, it was something like £20 million. This is an improvement. This is a good sign. But I think the Taoiseach should ask himself again if this will continue and if the Free Trade Agreement with Britain is going to be the wonderful arrangement that was boasted of here on 4th January of this year. As far as I can gather, the improvement in respect of the export of cattle may mean a mere £2 million this year, or rather for the rest of the year. Now £2 million is a pretty big sum, but, as far as the balance of payments is concerned, this extra £2 million will not be as effective as many people think. It is true also that the British surcharge is to go on some date in November. As to what real effects this will have on our balance of payments anybody can hazard his own guess.

There is, of course, another reason for this improvement and it is not one from which we can take any great consolation. Part of the improvement in our balance of payments position is due to the fact that there has been a slowing-down in the importation of raw materials because there is relative stagnation in industry when one thinks in terms of the years 1962, 1963 and 1964. In any case this balance of payments is not necessarily an indication that the economy has improved in certain respects or that it will improve greatly for the rest of the year. The decrease in imports of itself is not, in my opinion, enough. The answer in all this is greater production and greater exports. By merely cutting down our imports to redress the other position is not sufficient from the point of view of the general economy of the country.

Mark you, the Taoiseach estimated this morning—he glossed over it, rather—that production has not shown all that improvement even in the first part of this year. Gross national product last year increased by 2½ per cent compared with the target set in the Second Programme for Economic Expansion of four per cent for 1963 and four per cent for 1964. This is merely the average or the target set by the Second Programme for Economic Expansion but the indications for 1966, as far as I can gather, are not good. Production in manufacturing industries for 1965 showed an increase of 3½ per cent in the full year, but for the last quarter of that year, the increase was only two per cent and for the first quarter of 1966 there was an increase of only 1½ per cent as compared with the same period in 1965. Therefore, as far as production in manufacturing industry is concerned, the increase is not being sustained and certainly not at the rate visualised in the Second Programme for Economic Expansion.

If we analyse the main industrial groups, we will see that the signs are not encouraging either. It is true that in clothing and furniture there was quite an improvement in the first quarter of 1966, but in building materials, in metal and engineering and other manufactures—textiles, drink and tobacco—there is not an increase but a reduction, a decrease in production in respect of these particular industries. This serious slow-down in production is reflected in the employment position.

One of the great boasts for the Second Programme for Economic Expansion was not alone greater production in industry and agriculture and better and fuller lives but the prospect of full employment. If our society is to live, the target must be full employment and it is not enough for the Taoiseach or anybody else in this House to pay mere lip service to the idea of full employment; we must try to achieve it, and achieve it quickly. It would not be unfair criticism, I think, to say that of all the countries in Western Europe, this country, as far as employment is concerned, has by far the worst record.

I know there are many people who think in terms of always having a pool or reservoir of unemployed, but, if we are to continue to have this reservoir or pool of unemployed, the changes which the Taoiseach outlined here this morning will not be effected because, if changes are to be made in industry, in industrial relations and in trade union law, the best time and best atmosphere in which to make such changes is a time of full employment. The present situation means that workers have a sense of insecurity, even those who are now working. The cause of much of the unrest at present is the fact that there is this insecurity because there is an insufficient number of jobs and because there is a danger that if a man is to be sacked, there is somebody in that pool of unemployed ready to jump in. Not alone are we far from full employment—and I say this more in sorrow than in anger—but we are far from the targets of the Second Programme.

In this matter, the Government have an overall responsibility which I do not think they can shed. They can be accused of inactivity as far as the provision of jobs is concerned. When speaking this morning, the Taoiseach did not refer to the fact that there were 7,000 fewer at work in 1965 as compared with 1964. I have heard the Taoiseach and his predecessor say on occasions that the greatest test of the success or failure of a Government is their employment record. If this Government were to be judged on their employment record, they certainly would stand condemned by this House and the nation. The Taoiseach asks us why we should put down a motion of no confidence. We would be justified alone by the fact that the total number employed fell last year for the first time since 1961, and the NIEC have forecast that this year there will be a further drop of 4,000 jobs.

I do not know what the Department of Finance are doing in the reexamination of the targets for the Second Programme. If we are to stick to the targets outlined when it was published in 1960, it means that up to 1970 this country requires 23,000 new jobs per year to absorb all those who would be available for work and to try to restrain our people from emigrating. As far as the provision of new jobs is concerned, the performance of the Government has been dismal. They may say what they like about the responsibility of private enterprise or somebody else to provide jobs: the Government have an overall responsibility and they have failed dismally. We have plenty of words about the provision of jobs, plenty of speeches as to when we might get them. But what is needed in present circumstances is action and not mere words, not something like what the Taoiseach produced for his Party as a result of the Presidential election, not the mere words we see in the Second Programme. It does not seem to me from the pronouncements of Government Ministers that we are going to get the action that will prevent the decrease in employment forecast by the NIEC in a recent report.

Deputy Dr. Hillery, now the Minister for Labour, kindly sent me a copy of a speech he made in the National Stadium on Thursday, 23rd June. He talked about Government responsibility in the promotion of the economy and the provision of employment and said:

The Government's responsibility, therefore, in industrial development has been accepted by successive Governments to be this: encouragement and aid to private enterprise and participation by the State in direct activities only where private enterprise has failed.

As far as the provision of jobs is concerned, as far as keeping Irish workers in Ireland is concerned, as far as the establishment of industry is concerned, private enterprise in this country has failed. The Minister says that the State will step in only where private enterprise has failed. It must have failed or else thousands would not be emigrating each year. It must have failed if the unemployment figures show an increase of 5,000 each week of this year over similar weeks last year and the year before. When are our Government going to take the initiative? I have heard the Taoiseach on various occasions, when asked to tax wealth, saying there is no big wealth in this country. Does that not demonstrate that, if such people are not here to establish industry and create jobs, it is the responsibility of the Government to do it?

The Minister in another part of his speech announced:

I have recently on the recommendation of the Industrial Development Authority set up an Industrial Promotional Panel to assist the Authority in securing new industries. The panel will consist of a number of leading Irish industrialists, especially those with considerable foreign business contacts, and a number of manufacturers from abroad who have established factories here.

This may be the beginning of something the Labour Party have been advocating for the past ten or 15 years. This is the sort of thing on which we want to see action, although it does not meet our full demands in respect of the establishment of industry. I trust this is not merely the establishment of another panel in an effort to appear to satisfy people that something is being done. The Government should take the initiative. They have all the information. They know what our needs are, what is consumed here, where our markets are—or at least they should know. They should take a greater part in the establishment of industry when private enterprise has either failed or refused to do so. I trust we will not have this business of hardworking members of chambers of commerce going abroad trying to interest foreigners in the establishment of industries in their home areas. This job is too big for that. It is an urgent job which only a State agency can do. If this is a mere pious resolution setting up a "phoney" committee, it will not bring the results we so urgently need.

I do not want to reiterate the figures that have been quoted ad nauseam during Budget debates. Is the Taoiseach concerned, and what is he doing, about this unusual rise in unemployment in 1966? The figures show that unemployment benefit recipients are this year consistently reaching each week a figure 5,000 higher than any similar week for the past two years. In unemployment, the hardest hit appears to be those engaged in the building industry. Figures supplied by the Taoiseach's Department show that in mid-May, in a situation where houses are badly needed, there were 4,620 idle in the building industry. This represented 1,349 more than in 1965. Yet the Minister for Local Government and other Ministers have the neck to tell us there is no slowing-down and no cut-back in housing and that the same number are employed.

The figures belie that. There is indeed a slowing-down. One need only look at one's own constituency, one's own town, to know there is a slowing-down, to know that people are clamouring for houses. The local authorities built 913 houses for the first four months of 1966, compared with—and even this was little enough—1,129 for the first four months of 1965. In regard to grant and loan type houses under SDA, there was again a reduction of 345 for the first five months of this year compared with 1965. Even there the record was not too spectacular because in these five months only 1,734 houses were built.

I do not want to appear to be too pessimistic but all the indications from the Minister for Local Government, as far as housing is concerned, make me pessimistic. It appears to us that the position is going to get worse this year. Mark you, the NIEC stressed the importance of the building industry as a source of employment. When we have regard to the thousands who used to be engaged in the building industry, some of whom still are, we must regard this industry as a very important source of employment indeed. However, we are inclined to forget those ancillary industries such as those which manufacture different appliances and different building materials. These are going to suffer and have suffered because of the slow-down. It seems that we are making no impression at all on the housing problem. The Minister for Local Government produced a White Paper on Housing in November, 1964 and to my mind this White Paper, and the statistics it contained, was the greatest condemnation of the Fianna Fáil Government because it showed a vast under-estimation of the number of houses needed. It also showed up to then—whether there has been any improvement since I do not know— a colossal ignorance of the problem in the cities and towns and rural areas. It showed that there are 50,000 unfit houses, 63,000 overcrowded houses and, in regard to the need, it showed that with other factors about 120,000 new houses were required.

The Taoiseach in his address to the Fianna Fáil Deputies described the various objectives of the Party and referred to housing but this must have rung very hollow in the ears of the thousands who are condemned to live for years in overcrowded rooms and slums, and to those newly-weds who have no prospect of being housed for many years in the city of Dublin. It is a scandalous reflection on this country and on all Governments to say that there are so many condemned to live in rooms in Dublin and who have no prospect of getting houses of their own for some years to come. We wonder what special steps the Government are taking to provide these houses. The existence of the credit squeeze was denied for months and months but has now been admitted as a fact. It has been responsible to some extent, but not entirely, for the situation in which we find ourselves in regard to housing. Up to 1965 we were told that all the money that was needed was available. At that time the Minister for Local Government sent a circular to local authorities asking them to submit any sort of amenity scheme they could think up and the money would be forthcoming. There was plenty of money apparently for this, that and the other thing, apart from housing. They had plenty of money for housing and sewerage. This was the situation then but towards the second part of 1965 it was discovered that the money was not forthcoming. The peculiar thing was that the credit squeeze, like many of our other difficulties, did not emerge until after the general election. The Minister for Local Government still protested that there was plenty of money but it was not forthcoming. Every time he was questioned about issuing money for houses, the excuse was not that they had not got the money but some other excuse in regard to planning or a change of plans. Eventually after questioning by Members on this side of the House, he was forced to admit that they just did not have the money.

I said that as far as the building of houses was concerned, there was not going to be an improvement. As a matter of fact, unless the Government do something, there will be a deterioration in the position. As was pointed out last night, the local authority allocation for housing will merely cover their commitments up to December, 1965. Most of them find that they cannot undertake any commitments to assist private building this year. Not alone can they not get money through the Minister for Local Government, or the Minister for Finance, but it appears that even if the banks were open, they would not be inclined to give them credit accommodation. These local authorities are unable to meet their grant and loan commitments to those to whom they had promised grants and loans to build houses for themselves.

Another serious factor is that unemployment in the building trade is forcing workers to go to England. Mark you, we have had this experience before, particularly in regard to the building trade. The vast majority of these workers are content to work in Ireland, but if they are forced to leave, by reason of not having employment here, and they go to Britain, the likelihood is that many of them will be lost to this country, and if and when the Government succeed in obtaining money to build houses, the probability will be that we will not have the workers here. It is a paradoxical situation. We have 4,000 workers unemployed who should be engaged on building houses but we have no money, and if they emigrate and we then get the money, we will not have these workers. As far as housing is concerned, the Government should keep their priorities right and ensure, even in this crisis, that money will be allocated so that the operatives can be retained here.

I do not think it is an unfair criticism to say that as far as credit was concerned, there was mismanagement and the matter was allowed to get out of control. The Government were fooled because during the halcyon years from 1961 to 1964 they did not appear to realise that the big increase in capital inflow was going to cease. This capital inflow was unusual and came in for various purposes, for the establishment of industry, for the purchase of land and other things, and the Government should have realised that it was not going to last forever. When they discovered this, they had to crack down hard on credit because they had allowed it to expand too much in 1964.

During that period, it was evident that the Government had no priorities so far as the allocation of credit was concerned. Credit was available at that time for all sorts of speculative ventures. If the Government had that credit, as they had, it should have been devoted, not necessarily in this order, to housing, industry and agriculture. One wonders if the Government have any control at all over credit or if they propose to take control of it. It is a daft situation that, for example, in recent years office blocks were being taken down and new ones constructed, different building projects engaged in which were not really necessary, and this valuable credit being allocated to such ventures, and to discover a year or two afterwards that there is no money to build houses.

The Taoiseach should tell us in his reply if there is to be an easing of the credit squeeze. If the situation is as he says it is, there is justification for such an easing. People are entitled to this vital social amenity of housing. Long-term promises to these people are no good. Those who have been living in bad houses for years want a house this year or, at least, the prospect of getting it soon. If we are to meet our commitments of providing 20,000 or 25,000 per year, we shall have to get on with the job now. If credit is to be allocated, it is important that it should go to industry, but the top priority should be housing, water, sewerage, schools and the different social amenities to which our people are entitled.

As I have said, 1965 was a bad year and has been recognised as such. We advocated that our Government should do certain things which they refused to do. I believe that if the Price Control Bill which they introduced this time last year had been introduced earlier on, we might not have had the difficulties in which we now find ourselves. We had been advocating this for a very long time, but, like many of the things which are advocated from this side of the House, it was implemented by the Government too late. I believe that, because of the lack of price control throughout 1964 and 1965, we have had this industrial unrest. I do not say it was entirely responsible for the industrial unrest but it certainly was a big contributory factor.

There has been relative stability in prices in recent times. Due in the main, I suppose, to the Budget proposals, we find that compared with May of 1965, the Consumer Price Index has gone up by five points. We in the Labour Party are not satisfied that the Minister has an effective staff to ensure that the proposals he made in his October order with regard to price control can be operated. I warn the Taoiseach now that there is need for greater vigilance in the matter of prices and price increases in this situation where the £1 increase is being paid or will be paid to a majority of Irish workers. This is the time for exploitation of that situation. We never yet got from the Minister for Industry and Commerce an indication as to what type of staff he has, as to what sort of spot check is made in order to ensure that prices do not increase. As I say, with workers receiving the £1 per week increase, there will be an effort to take more than should be taken by way of price increases.

If an election were held now, the country would certainly show no confidence in the Government. People can make their own interpretation of the results of the Presidential election, which is a favourite game these days. We are asking that Dáil Éireann approve of this motion. We condemn the Government for their inactivity. We condemn the Government for their attitude of drift because undoubtedly that is what it was, particularly in 1965. We condemn them because of their complacency in waiting and hoping that something would turn up.

The Free Trade Agreement which was boosted so much last January seems to have lost all its glamour. There is no great boast for it now. I remember in January, 1965, it was going to meet the farmers' problems; it was going to be a bonanza for the agricultural community. I see no spectacular rise in cattle exports and no spectacular increase in the price of cattle, and I wonder if the fears which the Labour Party expressed on that occasion were justified.

Again, the Taoiseach spoke about the expectation of our going into EEC by 1970. The Taoiseach is a most optimistic man as far as the EEC is concerned. It seems to be a sort of phobia with him. We are all agreed, and the Taoiseach agrees, that if Britain does not go in, we do not go in. The indications are at the present time that Britain is not going in. They have another four years to reach what the Taoiseach says is the deadline for us. The indications, as far as I can see, particularly in view of the conversations in London yesterday, are that the French will not allow them in until they subscribe entirely to the Treaty of Rome, and Britain says the Treaty of Rome will have to be changed before she goes in. However, the Taoiseach is a brave and courageous man when he thinks about the EEC, and if 1970 is his target, that is all right, but I do not think it is going to be achieved.

We condemn the Government for failing to plan the economy so that all our resources are utilised to the full. The most important resource we have is manpower and we think very little of it. We think very little of it not alone to the extent of not providing jobs for them but of not even giving them adequate social welfare benefits. We condemn the Government for giving merely lip service to the idea of economic planning while doing nothing about it and for paying the same sort of lip service to the sanctity of private enterprise. I believe, and I have said this many times before, that there should be greater concentration on economic planning and on public enterprise. Private enterprise cannot do the job entirely in this country. They can do their own job —they do it pretty well for themselves —but there is a limit to what they can do, and in our country public enterprise can meet the situation much better than it is doing at the present time.

Little did we think at the time of the introduction of the Second Programme that in the sixth of the ten-year programme, we would have an unemployment rate of 6.6 per cent, that we would have fewer at work than we had when the Programme was first announced and that we would have a crisis in housing and no prospect of improvement. Little did we think that in the sixth year of the Second Programme for Economic Expansion, it would be necessary for a Government to bring in two Budgets, following the Budget of last year which was a complete failure. Little did we think that this second Budget would be introduced a short three months after the first one, which again leads us to believe that most of the things which Fianna Fáil do are done for the Party and not for the country.

We condemn the Government because there has been a slowing-down in production. It is not sufficient for the Taoiseach to state the facts as far as production is concerned. It is his duty to show how it can be increased. It is his duty and that of his Government to ensure that production will be increased. Little did we think that, five and a half years after the introduction of the Second Programme, many of our people would be so poorly paid, that, despite all the talk about the monetary demands and the excessive demands of the trade union movement, in 1966 there would be 150,000 people in this country with less than £10 per week. The Government, we believe, should not have the confidence of Dáil Éireann as we believe they have not the confidence of the country.

The motions in my name and in the name of Deputy Corish reflect the clear indication given in the recent Presidential election that in such a short space of time no Government have so rapidly lost public confidence as the present Government. It is appropriate at this stage that we should review the basis on which the present Government were elected, the policy which they alleged they could implement and the claims made for that policy, that it was designed to create more employment, provide more houses and improve the health services.

If we examine the results of the past 12 or 14 months, we find that today there are fewer people employed than ever before, that in fact the numbers in employment are between 40,000 and 50,000 less than ten years ago, and that in the first four months of this year for which figures are available, the average numbers in receipt of unemployment benefit show a rise of over 4,000 per week over the first four months of last year. The health services are static while the cost of living continues to rise.

Probably in respect of houses the failure of the Government is more indicated that in any other sphere. Without taking into account houses constructed in recent years, the numbers for the first five months of this year of State-aided schemes show a very substantial drop. The figures for the first five months of 1965 show that there were 3,282 State-aided housing schemes. For the first five months of this year, the number had dropped to 2,892. If we take the number of houses reconstructed, the figure for the first five months of 1965 was 3,643 and for the first five months of this year 3,352.

For new houses built with State assistance, the figures are only available for the first three months of this year. For the first three months of last year, the number was 2,700 odd and this year that figure has dropped to 2,200. These figures reflect what every Deputy and every member of a local authority throughout the country know to be a fact, that housing, whether by local authorities or by persons availing of the Small Dwellings Acts, shows a very substantial decline. The position has been reached in virtually every local authority where the shortage of funds has meant that houses which should be built are not being undertaken. In most local authorities, the situation has developed that so far as Small Dwellings Acts activities are concerned, the funds available are only sufficient to cover applications submitted before last December.

The Minister for Local Government has repeatedly used the argument that because the same amount of money has been provided this year as was provided last year, there has been no decline in building. The figures now published in the Economic Series of the middle of June show what everybody knows to be the fact, that there has been a noticeable decline in houses built and houses reconstructed under every heading, by local authorities and under the Small Dwellings Acts.

I want in this debate to direct attention to the very serious situation which affects particularly the urban areas but also the rural areas. In Dublin, the situation is one of acute hardship for a great many families, for thousands of families in need of accommodation. Quite recently there was published a most misleading report which indicated that the problem was on the way to solution. I believe the Dáil and the country are entitled to an explanation of the delay in completing the Ballymun scheme. The weather is not a justification for this delay because this winter was no worse than last winter. The weather affects all building and construction alike. When are the public going to be told the full story of whether it would be cheaper and quicker to build by the ordinary accepted methods than by the present methods employed at Ballymun? The Government must be aware of the concern at the delay in completing that scheme and at the lack of any progress in the handing over of whatever houses are completed to Dublin Corporation for occupation.

Every local authority feels a shortage of funds for housing, for the payment of loans under the Small Dwellings Acts. There is a shortage of funds to pay supplementary grants and for both water and sewerage schemes. In my own constituency of Dún Laoghaire, there are at present 350 applicants regarded as being in urgent need of houses. The only scheme at present under construction is one of 26 houses. There is not another scheme in prospect within the next 12 months. Sites were acquired as far back as ten years ago which would have accommodated another 200 to 300 houses. Additional sites have since been acquired and there is absolutely no prospect of a new scheme being commenced, as I have said, within 12 months. Is that not a deplorable state of affairs? What I have said in respect of this local authority applies, to a greater or lesser extent, to every other local authority. The situation, of course, is worse in the large cities and towns, places like Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Waterford, but it is bad even in the rural areas. In the Rathdown portion of my constituency, one housing scheme is at present being completed and there is no prospect of any other in the foreseeable future.

The time has arrived to inquire what action the Government propose to take to ease the present credit restrictions. It is not enough to say, as the Taoiseach said, that things are improving. There must be a positive easing of the credit situation and it must not be confined to Government borrowing. The figures for the internal supply of money and the domestic creation of credit published in the Central Bank Bulletin for May of this year show that the domestic credit creation for Government, including local authorities, rose between December, 1964, and March, 1966, by over £42 million but that the domestic creation of credit for other categories, the private sector, dropped by £10.1 million and last year, in the period ending July, the increase in the domestic credit over the previous year was £28.4 million but £28 million of it was hogged by the Government and by the local authorities. This year the extra credit being made available has been taken entirely by the Government and by the local authorities, leaving nothing of the increase for the private sector.

I believe the time has come when the Central Bank should give a definite indication to the commercial banks to ease the present credit squeeze. If the position continues as it has continued during the early months of this year, with a drop in housing construction, a drop in construction generally, a decline in the numbers employed as well as in output, it will be aggravated because of the continued difficulty in securing funds for these purposes.

This year, the Government have very substantially increased the tax burden. The Taoiseach adverted to the fact that if the present capital programme is to be maintained, it involves not merely taxation but also the availability of capital at home and abroad. The situation has been reached in the past 12 or 14 months in which there are fewer people in employment, in which the growth rate anticipated in the Second Programme was not achieved last year and will not be achieved or maintained this year, in which fewer houses are being constructed, costs are rising on every section and it is difficult to obtain at home or abroad the money required to maintain the capital programme.

The Taoiseach adverted to the fact that a great many of the anticipated targets in the Second Programme would be difficult of achievement. I want again to ask when will the Second Programme be revised on a realistic basis. The Second Programme anticipated a rise in the number employed. Up to the present there are fewer employed than when the Programme started. The Second Programme anticipated a rise in output last year and this year's figures show that that increase in the growth rate has not been achieved. The Taoiseach, in his survey this morning, said that, if the target was to be achieved, the growth rate for the next four years up to 1970 would have to be over five per cent. With a single quite exceptional exception, a growth rate of five per cent was never achieved and it is quite unrealistic to expect or anticipate that it could be maintained for a protracted period.

It is obvious that the targets in the Second Programme require to be revised on a realistic basis. In respect of employment, output, housing and every other single heading that one can enumerate, the targets have not been achieved and the prospects of achieving them in the remaining years of this decade are entirely unlikely.

One of the factors adverted to by the NIEC in their Report on the economic situation was that many of the present difficulties were due to an excessive expansion of monetary demands of which a major cause was the rapid rise in investment over the period which was described in the NIEC Reports as being largely determined by Government policy, a deterioration in the relative competitiveness of Irish production, excessive credit creation, much of it for unproductive purposes, which as the NIEC Report said, facilitated the excessive increase in demand and the creation of the development of an environment in which price increases could be easily passed on.

Responsibility for all these results lies with the Government. The Government have not adhered to the targets or guidelines laid down in the Second Programme and have failed to exercise control and, as stated by Deputy Corish and as has been repeated on a number of occasions, have, for political purposes, allowed an exceptionally rapid expansion, to such an extent that the capital programme can now be maintained only with great difficulty.

That situation has been further aggravated by the decision in the recent Budget to introduce the wholesale tax. This wholesale tax will now affect a number of commodities which have already borne the turnover tax. It has been estimated that in the building industry which is at present experiencing great difficulty, the increase in costs as a result of the wholesale tax will add between three to four per cent on the price of houses this year. It is true that cement is exempt but a number of other building materials are caught by the tax. Building costs in this country continue to rise steeply. It is obvious that this increase in costs will make it even more difficult for Small Dwellings Acts loan applicants to purchase houses and will increase the difficulty for local authorities in getting houses built.

The Taoiseach adverted to trade prospects and indicated that it was proposed to send a ministerial delegation to Brussels during the Recess. I should like to get some clear indication from the Government of the state our application to join the EEC is in at the present time. So far as one can gather, the application is static. This is not the first exploratory mission, either at Government or official level, that has gone to Brussels and in the present atmosphere in which it is not obvious what is going to happen to the British application, the avowed intention of becoming members of EEC by 1970 seems to have little reality behind it. The time has come when we should be given a clear indication of what action it is proposed to take in respect of our application and whether a joint approach on the basis of a number of applicant countries is to be made and, if so, whether it is proposed that this country should participate in it.

Some reference was made in recent debates, and no later than last night, to Government policy in respect of health and education. The Taoiseach in his review today said it was necessary to spend more on education if we were to provide the facilities and opportunities necessary for those seeking educational vacancies in future, The Supply Estimates, certainly up to three years ago, showed that compared with 30 or 35 years ago, we were spending a lower percentage on education than we did then. It is true that relative expenditure had increased but the percentage of the Supply Estimates spent on education had dropped. Any increase since in the Supply Estimates in respect of education has not made good that drop. This was commented on in the Lynch Report and the figures which I saw some time ago showed that the drop was quite considerable compared with 30 years ago. We then spent 19 per cent of the Supply Estimates on education and in recent years the percentage dropped to as low as 13. It is true that expenditure in other spheres had increased but instead of the tendency being in the direction of an increase in the proportion of Supply Estimates devoted to education, we had a drop.

Apart from the aspect of expenditure, there is the whole question of the approach to our needs in respect of technical and vocational training involved in the question of the re-training which will be necessary in the light of the Trade Agreement and the possible effects of redundancy in industry. In that regard it is difficult to understand why the decision of the Government to cut tariffs by five per cent which was involved in the Trade Agreement from 1st July, was followed by an announcement that it is proposed to cut tariffs by a further ten per cent from 1st September. If we take a typical tariff of 50 per cent, it follows that between June and September this year, there will be a reduction of 15 per cent. Why should exporters to this country get the first benefit rather than offering some help to Irish industry and business to compete on export markets? Under the recent Trade Agreement, it is true that the prospects of exporting to Britain are improved but the effective reduction between June and September of 15 per cent, a very severe drop in such a short period, must off-set any prospective advantage which the Trade Agreement would provide.

The present situation in which industry and trade have to compete with the cut in respect of these tariffs, and will have to compete with the further cut on 1st September, has been aggravated by the severe contraction of credit and the difficulty created by the continued bank strike. Over and above that, this year the review undertaken in respect of last year by the OECD shows that the industrial unrest in this country placed us in the unenviable position that we have the worst record in Europe for industrial disputes and the number of man-hours lost through disruption in the continuity of work by these disputes. I hope the establishment of the new Department of Labour and the appointment of the new Minister will at least prove fruitful for the economy. It is regrettable that the present industrial unrest which has affected so many sections of the economy in recent months has undoubtedly militated against the economic programme which is necessary if we are to overcome the decline in output and the failure to reach the growth rate which was planned in the Second Programme.

The present situation is one in which responsible opinion must be concerned at the way so many major disputes have affected the economy and the prospects of attaining the growth rate desired and also the capacity of the country to compete effectively and efficiently in export markets. I believe the present situation of the capital programme is largely the result of the haphazard way in which the programme was arrived at. I have repeatedly advocated, and all the evidence indicated, that there is an inescapable obligation on the Government to plan the capital programme in such a way that it will be possible of achievement over a foreseen period in respect of major capital undertakings.

This aspect of the failure of the Government to plan the capital programme was commented on by the NIEC report which criticised the haphazard and unco-ordinated nature of much public investment and the lack of any machinery for supervision and inspection. It pointed out that these investments were largely determined by Government policy and that inflationary pressure could only be avoided by control components of total demand and recommended to the Government that with that end in view, capital projects should be ranked in order of national importance. This was clearly intended as a basis for decisions to prevent a repetition of the rejection by the Government of the targets laid down in the Second Programme.

That has been emphasised and endorsed by circumstances in which every type of public capital expenditure has found it difficult to maintain its momentum and in which not only have the Government and local authorities experienced the problem, but farmers and traders applying to the Agricultural Credit Corporation or business people applying for credit either to the Industrial Credit Company or the commercial banks, have been finding it more and more difficult to get sufficient money to carry out the programme and plans in hands.

I believe, therefore, the time has arrived when this whole capital programme and the targets laid down in the Second Programme for Economic Expansion should be reviewed on a realistic basis. The whole record of the Government in respect of every aspect of national economic policy covered by the Second Programme indicates failure—failure to increase employment; failure to keep unemployment down; failure to build an adequate number of houses; failure to provide a better health service; failure to provide increased opportunities in education and increased opportunities for those who wish to avail of these places.

Over and above that, the Government have an obligation to deal with the very pressing claims of pensioners. No section of the community has been so affected by the rise in the cost of living, by the increase in the cost of essentials, as pensioners. In 1964, an interdepartmental committee reported on pensions and on the changes which should be made. Since then, with the exception of a few paltry increases, no action has been taken to implement that report. I want to stress the very serious situation which affects so many retired personnel. When that report was published, it contained a recommendation that the pension increases should be revised on a basis similar to that which operated in a number of countries. At paragraph 20 of the Report of the Committee on Post-Retirement Adjustments in Public Service Pensions, we read:

Having considered all the arguments submitted to us and all the relevant data, we are of opinion that it is fair and reasonable to increase pensions to an extent sufficient to offset increases in the Consumer Price Index that have occurred from the dates of the general rounds of pay increases to which pensions are currently related, to the date of the most recent general pay increase, and we recommend accordingly.

When that recommendation was made, the cost of living stood at 165; it is now 185. With the exception of very minor increases, nothing has been done to implement that recommendation.

I do not know if the Government are aware of the acute difficulties which affect pensioners, particularly those who are retired for a number of years. Some pensioners who retired more recently have possible prospects of some form of alternative employment. Because of the recent date of their retirement, they are possibly physically and mentally capable of getting some type of employment that will supplement their pension. The longer a person is retired, the less likely it is that employment can be obtained and, in any event, it applies only to a very limited number. This recommendation, which was made after an exhaustive examination by the interdepartmental Committee, involves a decision that this country keep in line with what is now the generally accepted practice of many European countries, and a number of countries outside Europe, that pensions, instead of being based on pay at retirement, are adjusted to take account of the cost of living changes and raised on the basis of the appropriate cost of living increases in the same way as pay is increased to cover those at present working. I believe there is a duty on the House and on the country to see to it that justice is done to pensioners in respect of the revised arrangements which should be operated. Over and above that, a recommendation was made in respect of the health services which we have advocated for a number of years in respect of income tax.

That recommendation was contained in the Second Report of the Commission on Income Taxation. I know now, from a statement by the Minister for Finance, that it is proposed to establish a committee to inquire into this. It is a favourite device of any Government in difficulty and who want to avoid taking a decision to establish a committee to report on it, and the bigger the committee, the less prospect there is of getting a report or agreement on the terms of the report.

This recommendation, which is contained in the Seventh Report of the Commission on Income Taxation is clear and simple. At paragraph 96, page 31, of the Seventh Report, we read:

We recommend that a taxpayer who incurs expense on himself, or on any dependant, arising out of disability or illness, which is serious and likely to be permanent should be allowed the vouched expenses in excess of £50 p.a. per person and up to a maximum of £300 p.a. per person.

I believe that recommendation, which was made after a very full examination and on the basis of information supplied to the Commission, does not require to be further examined by any interdepartmental committee and should be implemented forthwith.

This debate, coming at the end of a series of economic debates, merely emphasises the inability of the Government to implement the undertakings given during the last election. As I mentioned at the beginning, no Government, in such a short space of time, have been so emphatically repudiated on the effect of their policies as has occurred in recent weeks. In the recent election, it was obvious that the people had decided that the failure of the Government to implement their policy warranted a clear condemnation and a clear expression of no confidence. I believe the Government have endeavoured to avoid, by every device open to them, an expression by the people of their opinion in that regard. They sought to avoid the local elections and introduced legislation to postpone them. They endeavoured to confuse the issue during the Presidential election even to the extent of suggesting that there should be no contest.

I believe the present situation has resulted because this Government are continually looking back. They are looking backward to such an extent that the momentum that should characterise and influence Government action and policies has ceased to exist. The Government and the country are static, if not moving backwards. The recent ministerial changes are devised to create the illusion that there is movement in some direction, if not forward, then at least from side to side. The present lack of confidence stems from the failure of the Government to give a lead economically, socially and in any sphere of government or national policy. The attempt to avoid a verdict by the people can only postpone the inexorable expression of the people's opinion which cannot be averted and we offer this motion to the House so that the House may express a clear view against the inactivity of the Government in dealing with ordinary problems affecting so many sections of the community.

Deputy S. Dunne and Deputy Donegan rose.

On a point of order, I do not know if the Chair noticed, but I offered to speak.

Acting Chairman

The Chair is not aware of what the Deputy did previously, but Deputy Donegan offered.

So did I just now.

If I may assist the Chair, with respect, I would be quite ready to give way to Deputy Dunne in the circumstances. I think Deputy Dunne was a little slow in rising. I have no desire to discommode Deputy Dunne or the Chair in any way and I am quite prepared to give way.

I am grateful to the Deputy. The fact that I was, perhaps, a little slow in getting to my feet was due to the fact that I anticipated— it was a reasonable anticipation—that somebody would stray in to the deserted Government benches——

Look at the crowded Labour benches.

——to support the Taoiseach. There are 22 of us. There are over 70 of the Taoiseach's troops. Where are they?

The Taoiseach is like the boy on the burning deck.

Where are they? I do not see them offering any hope of support to their Leader, as he sits on his lonesome pinnacle, and that does not display the expected sense of loyalty one was encouraged to believe existed in the more recent recruits to the Legion of the Rearguard. Obviously the Field Marshals are falling down on the job, as they fell down on a bigger operation very recently.

They must have lost confidence in the Taoiseach.

It was the unfounded anticipation that prevented me from rising more quickly. To my astonishment, it now appears that the Government Party are so worn out from their exertions in defending the indefensible—in other words, Government policy—that they have not got any energy left to come in here and support their Leader by way of speech.

They are worn out sitting on their fannies.

We have tabled a motion that the Dáil has no confidence in this Administration. It is perfectly obvious to anybody who has contacts with the mass of the ordinary people that the people have, indeed, no confidence in this Government. That is demonstrably true. If this Government were to put their popularity to the test, they would be turfed out of office. One of the evidences of that, one of the most valid evidences that can be found of lack of support for any Government, is to be seen on an examination of the figures in their recent Presidential election. No matter what the major Parties may claim, or disclaim, about the Presidential election, the facts are that the Government had as a candidate a semi-mythical figure, one who it might be said has almost entered into the sub-god section of our Celtic mythology. I do not say that with any intent of disrespect: it is so. It would have appeared, I am sure it did appear, to the particular Field Marshal of the Rearguard in charge of this operation to be almost an impossibility than An t-Uachtarán could be brought within 100 miles of defeat.

Any outside observer, looking at the situation, and with any knowledge of the country, looking back over the years, of the personal political record of the President when he was Leader of the Fianna Fáil Party could not but have said: "Well, good gracious, when he carried in such a collection as he did successfully from 1927 to Leinster House, handicapped as he was by incompetence and embarrassment on many occasions in the persons of his following, surely he cannot possibly miss in this". Yet we had a result which, I am sure, startled not alone the successful candidate but the unsuccessful candidate as well.

What did it show? In my view, it showed beyond all question of doubt one thing: the people were seizing on the opportunity to protest against the policies and activities, or inactivities, of this Government. I do not say that in any sense at all of denigration of the great effort put into that campaign by Deputy Tom O'Higgins, who deserves considerable credit for conducting what must have been a very tiring and, indeed, very difficult business, and one which would appal any reasonable, rational man. However, quite apart from the personalities of it, it is accepted now by all I think, if not openly, certainly in their secret hearts, that the Presidential election was an expression by the people of their dissatisfaction with the Fianna Fáil Government and of their anxiety for a change. There was an element, not as great as is suggested, of youthful exercise of the franchise which was not present in previous elections; this youthful element seemed almost unanimous against the Administration, though it was not, as I say, as great as some would like to suggest; but it was nevertheless present.

The main thing was that the country had long felt that this Government in their expressions of policy and in the activities of certain of their Ministers had lost contact and sympathy with the people and any apparent desire to meet the wishes of the people. The Taoiseach last week, when he saw signs of possible critical references to the Minister for Transport and Power, reached down into his very well-stocked political armoury for the old weapon with which one can attempt to beat most accusations and said—before anything was said at all about Deputy Childers —that anything that was going to be said about him would be character assassination. That brings me now to the very interesting subject of Fianna Fáil equations. It is fitting, I think, that one should look at them because the founder of this organisation, now so obviously on the wane, was, I believe, a mathematician.

It has often occurred to me that anything said by the Opposition in criticism of the Government is equal to one thing—destructive criticism—anything that is not adulation or adoration of the powers that be. On the other hand, constructive criticism is completely and absolutely adoration of the Cabinet. No doubt if indulged in by the backbenchers of Fianna Fáil, it may in time pay them in a certain way. If one seeks to expose incompetence in the Government or bring to the notice of the Dáil the insolence of office—and insolence of office is nowhere more clearly exemplified than in the person and in the attitude of the Minister for Transport and Power—that is character assassination, if you do not mind. If a Deputy feels impelled to express on behalf of citizens their feelings as to the Government's lassitude, carelessness and cynicism, why, this is irresponsibility. This is another Fianna Fáil equation. The national interest equals the welfare and glorification of Fianna Fáil. These little exercises have been repeated so often in this House that they have come to be accepted by the more ingenuous members of Fianna Fáil as having some validity, whereas, of course, they are completely false.

I have expressed the opinion before that the Taoiseach's Thesbian qualities, his abilities as an actor, are of a very high order and are probably lost on the limited stage we have here; but he certainly has used them to put across on the people of this country the pretence that this Government are all things to all men. He has lost no opportunity of fostering that illusion on every occasion open to him. We recently had the example, which disgusted the nation, of the special treatment accorded to the Chairman of CIE on the occasion of his retirement. Some Deputies may say—and they are not all confined to the Government side —that this was a great public servant who received no more than his due, that his services to the country were of such a nature that he had earned this £8,000 odd he was given to pay his fare out to Donnybrook to take up his job with Radio/Telefís Éireann. If we put that in its proper perspective, we will see more closely why the people are so disgusted with the action of the Government.

I have the case of a man who spent, not ten, not 12, not 15 years, but 30 years in the service of this State. This man was in the service of this State when the Chairman of CIE was engaged, along with the Taoiseach, in a determined effort to destroy this State at its very foundation. But we will let bygones be bygones and start all over again. This man had 30 years' service as a civil servant, but those years were what are known as unestablished years. To the casual observer— indeed to the close student of this kind of thing—there is no discernible difference between an established year and a temporary year of service except the whim of the people in authority in the particular Department in which the particular civil servant is working. This man had to go at 65. He was not offered any alternative employment. He was told that as far as the State was concerned, it had no further use for him.

As I said, he had served 30 years. How many years service were counted for pensionable purposes? Exactly half, 15 years. I would invite the Dáil to guess at what his pension was. His pension was £1 6s per week after 30 years' service. This man was out in O'Connell Street in the week the anniversary of which we have just celebrated. His golden handshake, along with the £1 6s pension, in comparison with that given to the Chairman of CIE for a handful of years' service, was a gold medal because he was in the GPO 50 years ago. Whenever he finds himself in need of the price of a loaf—we will leave out the question of a pint because he could not think in terms of a pint on 26/- a week and the little he gets for his presence in the GPO—whenever he feels he needs something special, he can look at that medal and I am sure he wonders what to do with it.

Here you have the case of a man with 30 years' service to the State, apart from his share in laying the foundations of the State, treated in this shabby fashion. On the other hand, you have this ridiculous proposition that we are supposed to sit here dumb about the Chairman of CIE, who after possibly a dozen years of public service and less than that in CIE, went into CIE charged with the job of making it an economic proposition left it owing twice as much as when he found it. We must accept that this public servant should get a present of over £8,000 and walk into another job at a nominal salary of £1,000, while on the other hand, scores, if not hundreds, if not thousands of the people I have described suffer under the lash of economic hardship, loneliness and the unwantedness of old age.

This, I would suggest, is the major sin on the soul of our modern Irish society, the manner in which we cast out our old people from society even as the animals do, only with less consideration. Every year we have the beggarly dollar given to the old people through the Budget. People who have some way of living are relieved in one way or another; the wealthy are not interfered with except by being asked to pay taxes which they should be asked to pay, but they represent a voting bloc with which it would be dangerous to tamper. But the old people are thrown out of society, tossed aside with what can only be described as a lousy dollar every year.

Indeed, the State from its policies towards the aged—and I am referring now to people in receipt of non-contributory old age pensions—not alone does not take steps to discourage death but would seem secretly to wish that this embarrassment of the aged and the lonely—who have been described on occasion, by Deputy Dillon principally, with such eloquence and so little effect—should be removed. It is the great untouched problem of our time, this neglect of the aged. In so far as we have looked at it at all, we have shown every evidence of very little advance from the animal stage, in which those who are beyond their best are flung into the wilderness to live as long as they can, which usually is not very long, at the mercy of the elements and the elements in our society can be just as savage as the elements of the jungle.

This euphemism about free enterprise should not mislead anybody. There is no such thing as free enterprise. If you are born into the world with money, you start off with a great advantage. You start with one lap of the course already done in the race of life, as against the person born with nothing, because money will buy you education and it will buy you skill. If you do not have money, you may just be one in ten thousand who will rise above it all; you may be like a Sweepstake winner. You have the same chance. This expression of free society or free enterprise is just another way of saying that the strongest will feast off the weakest, the weakest will do what the strongest say. Inequality, they would have us believe, is part not alone of the law of the land but the law of God, because some people suggest that the poor we will always have with us, forgetting that in that sense what Scripture means is not the poor in pocket but the poor in spirit, in mind and in intellect, who undoubtedly will always be with us.

The welfare State is what the Labour Party stand for and although it has been denigrated and assaulted by the forces of vested interests, and the very term has come to be used by some ignorant people as a term of reprobation, we can look at our neighbour, which indeed now is our sister island since we have re-enacted or reinforced the Act of Union, and there see what the first charge upon the public assistance authorities is. A person there, whether or not he is the loneliest man in the world, and no matter what his colour, race or creed may be, will have his rent paid and if he is sick, he will be taken to hospital without having to fill in a form for a medical card, or without being asked what county he came from. It does not matter if he never met the English equivalent of a TD or a county councillor, because he will be treated the same as everybody else. Under the welfare State the best is available to him.

Let me say at this point how sorry I am to see the departure from the Department of Health of Deputy Donogh O'Malley, who did so much to create the conditions of a welfare State in health and who if he had been left there, would have brought about that situation, but upon whom the dead hand of conservatism has now been placed. It may be that we shall see his successor being equally good. As far as I am concerned, this is part of our no confidence motion. Deputy O'Malley by his public statements about the class of people I have been talking about, the old and the sick, earned for himself, apart from politics at all, an admiration and affection which it will be hard for anybody else to earn because these people believed in him and believed he was going to do the things he said he would do, improve things for the aged and the sick. He did bring about those improvements in the time available to him.

Those people will be saddened by his departure but no more saddened than I am, or any honest man in this House, who knows that it is a step backwards. Here we had a glimmering of progressiveness, a man with not alone imagination but courage to say what he wanted to say and to have done what he wanted to see done. It seems to be always the fate of men of that kind in this country that they will be obstructed, denigrated and, if possible, destroyed. That is my interpretation of what has happened to the Minister for Health.

Contrary to the speculations which appear in today's papers regarding the Irish language, I think this whole dialogue about the Irish language will be seen, in the heel of the hunt, to have little relevance to the problems of living of the people. The question of the Irish language is important: it must be important. Tá an tUachtarán ag caint in a taobh ar feadh na blianta. I am very fond of Irish myself. I learnt it through the dispensation of a former Minister for Justice, now Senator Gerald Boland, who secured for me a scholarship in an institution where I was enabled to study it for some years. The love of it and the study of it should be fostered in every way possible.

I object as much as anyone to compulsory Irish. It is a fringe subject. It does not affect the lives of the mass of the people in the sense that the Department of Health does. A sick man is not interested in languages, except possibly one language, and it is not Irish. A person who cannot pay a specialist's fees will not feel too much like opening Buntús Gaeilge before he gets the money to pay the fees. That is the great tragedy of what has happened yesterday, the departure from the Department of Health of the one man who had the qualities and the ability to push through what we want to see, that is, a guarantee to everybody in accordance with what the Creator said —and what has been said by all great thinkers and prophets down through the centuries, but particularly what the Creator said: “Whatsoever you do unto these my least brethren, you do unto Me.” It is the Christian ideal to which we give lip service. We have not seen it yet in this country. I in my foolish youth used to think we would see it in a matter of years if only people would open their eyes. However, I sometimes lose hope that we will ever see that ideal of society made effective. It must come sooner or later but, as Moleskin Joe used to say: “There is a good time coming.” But we will not live to see it.

I should like to move on from that, because the thought of the neglect of our sick people and our aged people is a very depressing one. It is one of the reasons upon which we ground the motion of no confidence in this Government. We do not feel that the aged or the sick are being dealt with fairly. In so far as the aged are concerned, every year they get 5/-. It is impossible to find words to describe what I think of the mentality of a Minister who is content to throw this 5/- in the general direction of the old age pensioners every year. We shall change that as time goes on.

I am sorry the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government is going because I have a few words to say concerning the fall down of the Government in the matter of the provision of water and sewerage services. Water and sewerage services, we are told in the pastorals which issue from the Custom House from time to time, are prerequisities to the building of cottages even in the most remote areas, whereas in other years it was possible in County Dublin, parts of which are as rural as parts of County Clare, incredible though it may seem, to secure the building of cottages for people badly in need of them in such areas, particularly during the great blossoming of building which occurred during the first inter-Party Government, when there were more houses built in three years than ever were built before or have been built since or, I venture to say, ever will be built again in such a comparable period.

It was possible then for us to get houses built in pairs or singly in the rural areas of County Dublin which did not have water laid on or sewerage pipes connected, and we could house many people by doing this, people who have been used to living in these areas where water and sewerage were not an accepted amenity any more than they are in most of the rural areas of Ireland. Dry sanitation, which is not a desirable thing, has been accepted by any of us who spend any time in rural Ireland. Standards have advanced in the direction of septic tanks, and that is all to the good, but ten or 15 years ago we could get houses built in County Dublin for people who badly needed them, without such services. The Custom House now ordains that no cottage shall be built in a rural area without these services, if not actually laid on, within reach.

The building of individual cottages in rural areas, which is the one thing which might have some effect in keeping people in rural areas, is now condemned by the Department, and the Department's pronouncements counsel local authorities to group cottages in villages, further denuding the countryside, as it were, going further along the road towards urbanisation and towards that undesirable end of centralisation which has made our economy and our population such a lopsided thing. In the county and city of Dublin, we have almost one-third of the population of Ireland. This must be regarded as being scarcely very desirable and on journeys through the countryside, one can see for oneself the sparseness of the population.

What prospect have we in north county Dublin of getting water and sewerage? The vast engineering projects which brought forth Boulder Dam, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the harnessing of the mighty Colorado are mere trifles compared with the vast complex with which we have grown from youth to middle age and which is known as the North Dublin Regional Water Scheme. It seems to me that tomatoes will grow red on the banks of the Upper Nile, that the Aswan Dam will be overflowing, that the temples of Abu Simbel will be silted over before the people of Garristown, Oldtown and Ballyboughal will turn on taps in their houses.

Oldtown is a place well known to me and to my learned colleague, Deputy Burke, which has been seeking houses for as long as I can remember. The only time they got houses there was in the much denigrated time of the inter-Party Government. There were 16 years of Fianna Fáil Government before that but they got no houses. There were three years of inter-Party Government and some houses were built. In the second period of inter-Party Government, some few further houses were built but never has a house been built since in Oldtown. I am told that much of the lack of progress has been ascribed by the chairman of the local cumann to the fact that Oldtown never had a visit from the Taoiseach at that time and that things would have been different if he had gone to Oldtown and seen the situation for himself. Nevertheless, the only time that houses were provided in Oldtown was during the period of the inter-Party Government.

There are a considerable number of people in this little rural area and there must be hundreds of villages like it all over the country. There is no water near it; there is no sewerage near it. There are a number of people who cannot build their own houses because of their economic conditions, farm workers, road workers and workers in other industries which do not pay sufficient to enable them to save enough to pay the exorbitant prices which builders are asking nowadays. Therefore they have to rely on the county council to provide accommodation for them. There is a housing committee in Oldtown. To my knowledge, it has been there for the past five years and probably before that. This committee set about trying to house themselves.

They held meetings and invited councillors along and finally were delighted when a local landowner indicated that he was prepared to provide a site for the building of houses for those who needed them. This news was received with great satisfaction. Then there entered again the county council and the county council engineers who, after examination of the soil, decided that it was impossible to construct a septic tank in this area. The soil had been sent for analysis and it appeared that at a certain depth the ground was porous, and that seepage was possible below so many feet. Therefore housing was ruled out.

Then we inquired about the North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme, the opening of which was marked at the Spa Hotel in Lucan by the presentation of a beautiful piece of Georgian silver to the Minister for Local Government. It is the only thing we seem to have got out of it so far. That was years ago. I was at the function and one could hear the pressure of the water in the taps at Jordanstown and down by Reynoldstown, where the great chaser of that name came from. I could visualise every family in these villages with piped water in their homes at long last. That function was so long ago that I have forgotten when it happened and we are still waiting for the extension of that scheme to North County Dublin.

However, as surely as we have the local elections next year, if we do not have a general election before that— and those of the Taoiseach's Party who hastened to rejoice at his recent assurance of the longevity of this House should remember that we are coming back here in September and that their joy may have been too previous, because we have heard the Taoiseach give this assurance before and it has not worked out that way— as surely as the Taoiseach's assurance will be found to have no foundation in fact and this House will not go the full distance, my esteemed and learned colleague in county Dublin will be heard outside the chapel gates at the next election telling the people of North County Dublin of the imminence of the North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme.

Once again another generation will walk away after Mass feeling certain that they will see the minimal amenities of civilisation brought to their new houses. I wonder are they too going to grow much older, less ingenuous and more disillusioned to find that this scheme has entered more or less into the realms of a fairy tale. It is becoming a fairy tale that people now talk about, and think they may see any minute but never really see. It is more or less in the same genre as the drainage of the Shannon. Those of us who went to Leitrim-Roscommon a couple of years ago, when the Taoiseach was initiating inflation, will remember how large the question of the drainage of the Shannon loomed in the election. I remember a Sunday morning when the papers were full of the prophecies that were now, at long last, to be fulfilled. That was just a few days before polling day. The Shannon was to be drained. There was obvious poverty in certain parts of Leitrim. It struck me as being the most impoverished part of Ireland. There was economic poverty and a lack of youth. At Mass, the people did not seem to be enjoying the affluence that is talked about elsewhere. Small children and old people predominated. The people whom one would expect to see, young married men and women, were in England.

I recall the time when the drainage of the Shannon was the carrot that was held out for the electors. It did not work, of course, because, happily, the widow of the late Deputy Burke was returned, and a very excellent Deputy she is. I am sure it was the best possible result that there could have been for the people of the area, politics apart.

The North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme, like the drainage of the Shannon, is part of the fairytales of Ireland. It calls very heavily on our Celtic credulity to believe in its existence. I would not believe it, despite the many Parliamentary Questions that there have been about it, were it not for the little piece of Georgian silver which I saw being presented to the Minister for Local Government and which sits, I am sure, among the mugs and jugs on the dresser in Donegal.

The sideboard.

The dresser—not the sideboard—not yet. It bears on it evidence that there was, in fact, at one stage, a North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme. I make no joke when I say that, in October, 1947, nearly 20 years ago, I listened to Deputy P.J. Burke, on behalf of the Fianna Fáil Party, telling the people in Swords that the North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme was on its way. It has not yet arrived. People in the whole of North County Dublin are prevented from building, from draining their land, from having sanitation, from having a water supply. They are not allowed to build because the Department of Local Government will not permit the traditional type of rural cottage to be built without sanitation. The North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme is something which, apparently, exists only in imagination. One cannot get any answer as to when it will service the areas in question. It will be some time in the sweet bye-an-bye. There is all kinds of interference by engineers, architects, quantity surveyors and the devil knows what. I am sure that Sherman went through Georgia much quicker than the pipe-layers are going through North County Dublin. If one believed half of the excuses that are put up, it would appear that it is a tougher assignment to lay a pipe from Ballygoleen Reservoir outside Blanchardstown to Swords than it was to float Mulberry across the Channel.

It would be a wonderful thing if Deputy Burke could finally retire. He has already completed 21 years and the masterpiece has been presented. It would be a wonderful thing if by the time the second 21 years expire some evidence could be seen of this North County Dublin Regional Water Scheme.

CIE was given into the hands of the chairman some years ago with instructions to make it an economic proposition. It will be admitted that he set about the task with all the ruthlessness of a Rockefeller in the pursuit of gold and on the same principles—chopping branchlines left, right and centre, without regard to the hardships caused to people in the rural areas, imposing exorbitant increases in bus fares on the people of my constituency—Ballyfermot, Walkinstown, Dundrum, the county of Dublin generally, Balbriggan, Swords, Malahide, and so on. CIE remains a constipated body, in spite of the prolonged dosages of a well-known purgative.

Telefís Éireann is about to be similarly physicked, despite every evidence of an end to public tolerance of this spurious nostrum. CIE will be left by the much-enriched Chairman, ten years older and deeper in debt than when he found it. As I understand it, CIE was about £1 million in the red when taken over by this alleged wonderman and he will leave it with £2 million liabilities around its neck. He will leave a morass of labour relations which it will take all of Deputy Hillery's endeavours and possibly the assistance of many other people, to bring into any kind of reasoned relationship. The tenure of office of the Chairman, who was presented with this sum of £8,500 and this pension of £65 a week and a part-time job at £1,000 a year, will be marked by the fact that he caused three major strikes in the transport industry and estranged the workers and the unions as effectively as others who went before him in the commercial life of this city, whom I will not mention. Yet, the Government lacking any sense of proportion in the circumstances, as we all know, insisted on giving him another job as well as enriching him for his endeavour in CIE.

Up to now Telefís Éireann, despite all we have heard, seems to me to have run fairly satisfactorily. We do not, of course, know what went on at Board level and we are not really interested, except in so far as it affects the end result and the welfare of those employed there, but it seems to have done an effective job. I dread to think what may happen now when this so-called expert gets to work on it. There is no doubt that he is an iron man. One does not like to be too personal about people who are not in the House. Indeed, it would be a great pleasure if he were here. Some system should be devised by the Government whereby these secret forces such as Dr. Andrews who wield more power practically than any Minister, should have seats in the House where they could be questioned and answer for what they are doing and where we could talk to them directly. The same applies to senior civil servants or any civil servant because of the proposition that they are not in a position to defend themselves. That is the silliest thing of all. If one dares to say a word of criticism against a civil servant in any Department, he can defend himself very effectively, almost to the extent of putting you out of the House if you have any dealings with his Department. Criticising people who are absent is something we do not like; we like, in fairness, to have people present when we are "abusing" or attacking—that is the right word— them justifiably or criticising them. I hope the reporter will put "abusing" in inverted commas because it is not meant in the usual way.

I spoke earlier about the importance of this motion which is one of no confidence in the Government and of our justification for it. The justification is that in the absence of any kind of system for taking open polls or mass observations we must depend on what people in our constituencies tell us to get an idea of how they feel about the Government of the day. There can be no doubt that in terms of popularity the Government have struck a record low. One of the greatest insurances for political longevity that members of Fianna Fáil have is their reluctance to face the people. I have said many times before that while I personally, unlike the Taoiseach, enjoy elections as I would enjoy castor oil, there are times when one must accept that, regardless of the consequences and the very great strain imposed on candidates, especially those seeking to return to the House, one must make the sacrifice in the public interest, face the situation and try to bring about a general election so that the people may register what they feel.

There is no doubt that they feel this Government should be out. Every day the Government continue to hold on to office they are in fact denying the people's rights in the exercise of the franchise. The prospect of an election is something I cannot enjoy but this situation, as we see it, must be faced. Politics largely consists of facing up to a series of unpleasant situations, of which, probably, the worst of all is a general election. The Government, by holding on as they are doing and propose to do, will continue to lose support because their policies have been proved fallacious. We have the great pretence of these Programmes for Economic Expansion. I claim to have been the first in the House to attack the intrinsic falseness of these things. These booklets were produced and read by very few Members, something which I can understand because we get so much stuff through our letter boxes that it would be physically impossible to read more than half or, possibly, a quarter of it. One year I kept all that arrived and weighed it, and it weighed a quarter of a ton.

Did you read any of it?

I do not know who sends me "Farm Research News" every week but I recognise the envelope because the keys of the typewriter used have not been cleaned for God knows how long. This periodical does not get a very close scrutiny. I went around this House with it under my arm and conducted a little poll of my own among Deputies. And I found one Deputy who claimed, not with very much confidence or assurance, that he had read it a couple of months ago. This man is a farmer. I could find nobody else. I was thinking about this particular Member that he was the type who would imagine that if he did not say something like that, he would lose votes. He told me he had read it; I do not think he had.

Apart from that, this is something that might be looked into because there is room for economy there. A load of stuff is produced and printed and not read. I often wonder how much money is spent upon unnecessary reports. I am not advocating that such money should be saved at the expense of employment but I do think that something more interesting might be produced. If they want us to read, then by all means send us something we can read and keep the printers in employment at the same time. I am all for something which could be taken up at night, before going to sleep, which would help one to secure some ease, after a troubled day here, from the burden of responsibility which we carry—the burden of guilt for the country's condition.

Let me come back to the programmes for economic expansion, moryah, as we say. When the First Programme for Economic Expansion came, I think I was possibly the only member in the House who was enough of a vulgarian to bring up the subject at all but I was the first to point out that this was all nonsense—a booklet containing a number of wishful opinions, wrapped up in Civil Service language, with every polysyllabic cliché that could be dug out of the files of the Civil Service. This whole mass of verbiage had been manufactured deliberately to wrap up simple economic facts in order to baffle and bemuse the electorate. Here we had this First Programme for Economic Expansion. I do not believe—I am certain—that this document, or the subsequent document, resulted in the production of £1 more worth of goods or in any worker working any bit harder or an hour longer or in any manager or director going five minutes later to his lounge bar in the evening.

I think these so-called economic programmes have had no real effect whatsoever but they gave a raison d'étre to every politician at every chapel gate whose mind came to a full stop when he had to reach out and talk about something, for God's sake. He talked about the Second Programme for Economic Expansion and the unfortunate natives, looking at him, said: “Would it not have been wonderful if we had gone beyond the 7th standard? What a pity we did not get the chance.” It is another example of the Fianna Fáil Party still further baffling and bewildering the people.

I have heard speakers from the main Opposition Party contributing to this nonsense and accepting that there is some validity in it. Even they have been misled by it. They have let themselves be led astray by these so-called programmes. We do not hear much about them now. Latterly, they have gone out of fashion. They have gone off what might be called the political best seller lists where the prices are paid in votes.

What might have happened during the life of the First Programme was due to the careful expertise, planning, foresight, responsibility, energy and what-have-you of the Cabinet. If one suggested that what we were enjoying at one period of the existence of this Government, which coincided with part of the life of the First Programme, as it was known, was due to European conditions completely outside our control, that we were getting the overspill of European prosperity into England and over to us, such a suggestion would be brushed aside. But now, of course, we have been in difficulties and as things have not been so good with us, this is due to European conditions; this is not due to the Government but to forces outside the control of the Government. When things are good, it is one up for the Government but when things are bad, then somebody else is to blame.

On the 1st of this month, we had a re-enactment, in fact, of the Act of Union. Was it for this that all that blood was shed? When Patrick Sarsfield died, and Edward Fitzgerald and Wolfe Tone, was that all nothing but the delirium of the brain? This so-called Free Trade Area Agreement was a cynical exercise, to say the least of it. It was a complete reversal of the policy of Griffith, not that I ever thought Griffith's policy would stand up to very close examination in the sense of the complete self-sufficiency of the country. The ordinary people had been led to believe that the independence of the nation was most important and superseded all other considerations— national independence, "break the connection with England", the never failing source of all our evil: I remember that; I am not very old but I remember it right up to relatively recent years. There are many people in this House who secured election on the basis of that kind of slogan. "Burn everything British except their coal.""Partition." Oh dear. Deputies will note that the Minister for Agriculture is clapping. There is the cynicism, you see; he does not care.

I saw people die for their concern over Partition. I saw their red blood flowing down the stones of the Curragh of Kildare in my time for their concern over Partition and because they wanted to see what the founder of the Government Party said should be a 32-county sovereign independent indefeasible Republic. With my own eyes, I saw young men of 20 years of age murdered for that. I did not read about it: I saw it. They believed in this with all their heart and with all their mind— and what was all the fighting about? What was all the fratricidal strife about? Why did people break friendships, never renewed, and go to their graves carrying hatred in their hearts one for another? Was it all for this cynical exercise on 1st July of this year?

It is not all that funny, not to me, anyway, but then I am probably a sentimentalist. I am not a pragmatist. I am inclined to the view that sentiment is part of the make-up of this whole Celtic nation of ours, and always will be, and I am inclined to the view that this ultra-pragmatism with which we are being dosed is seen by the people now for what it is—no more than a veiled cynicism. We cannot make figures in a ledger out of people and we cannot change overnight traditions and emotions which have dominated people's political thinking for a century and a half, or for the best part of two centuries. You think you can do it, but you cannot. Admittedly, there is a disgust amongst certain elements, particularly the young people, with the vulgarisation of patriotism which has gone on and to which the Government have contributed in no small degree. Commercialisation: vulgarisation: exploitation of the people, and all that— there is a disgust with that, a disgust equated with cynicism, but the people are still patriotic and there are people who still feel very deeply about this country.

In 1964 we had a White Paper produced called "Housing: Progress and Prospects". The housing situation in 1964 was undoubtedly very bad, particularly in Dublin and in my constituency of County Dublin. This was so because there was a continual drift from the rural areas to Dublin in progress all the time and, instead of slackening in any degree, it seems to be increasing all the time. The numbers are swelling. The numbers who are leaving rural Ireland to come and live and work in Dublin are all the time increasing. This means that the housing problem, the problem of the local authorities in the area, is the greatest in the country, is unique, and is not comparable with that which obtains anywhere else. Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford have a housing problem of their own, I am sure, but on a considerably smaller scale than that which obtains in Dublin city and county.

In 1964, after what must be assumed to have been considerable thought and study, and inevitable delay, there was produced by the Minister for Local Government this White Paper called "Housing: Progress and Prospects". That was in November, 1964. It was no more than an examination of the history of housebuilding in the country up to that time. It also analysed in some degree the problem as it existed then. So far as a solution to the problem is concerned, there were a couple of paragraphs of a general nature, which did not really represent any advance in the powers of local authorities beyond those which already existed.

But there was one thing: there was a great to-do about this White Paper. If I do not make a mistake, it was one of the occasions upon which the Minister for Local Government was seen on television, telling us all about it. I am not suggesting that he is not photogenic, but I am suggesting that this White Paper can be put on the same library shelf with the other two masterpieces—the First and Second Programmes for Economic Expansion —as examples of what might be called "stamp auction politics", of how far you can go in the matter of political pretence, or chancing your arm, to use a colloquialism, and still do nothing, of how far you can appear to be in earnest and all the time be laughing up your sleeve. This was another example of that. It will have a curiosity or collector's value in time to come, although productions of this kind by the Government are so great and so frequent that in process of time the market is bound to become depressed. The market is flooded.

Policies! They have policies for everything. But of action, none. That is for tomorrow. Talk for today and action for tomorrow. Of course, we all know tomorrow never comes. In this White Paper there is reference to the National Building Agency, the National Building Agency which is engaged upon constructing a monument to itself at Ballymun. We were told, when it was brought into existence, that it was really going to be the answer to everything. Not alone was the agency constituted of the best brains the country could produce but it had youth and energy, and the devil knows what else, to enable it to tackle this problem of housing. The unions were got together, the craft unions. There might be danger, it was said, with the craft unions. They were conservative groups and they might cause delay. Do we not all know that the unions are responsible for everything? There they are putting one brick on top of another with a trowel when they could be building houses in factories, which was what the National Building Agency was going to do.

The unions were brought in and, surprisingly enough, the unions proved very co-operative, naturally enough, because the unions are founded on very co-operative people. But they have been made the whipping-boys by those who do not like trade unions but who try to conceal the fact because it is not politically popular nowadays to say so. Those days are gone. But the unions are made whipping-boys in other ways. People blame all our troubles on trade unions. But, in this instance, we had the unions agreeing to system building, which is, I suppose, a form of prefabrication, and the National Building Agency announced that matters would be set under way, and so did the Minister, for the building of a complete new scheme at Ballymun on the northern outskirts of Dublin near the airport, which would in great degree remedy the housing problem as it affected the residents of this city, people living in dangerous rat-infested tenements, some of which were falling down and killing the little children playing in the streets. The National Building Agency went to the tapes and, so far, after the passage of two years, they do not seem to have got one inch beyond the tapes. We have not yet got a single house in Ballymun.

The situation has been exacerbated by the passage of time. There are many more people than there were then on the housing list. Conditions were worsened by the fact that the Corporation in the intervening years, while condemning these old Georgian houses and compelling people to leave them, did not provide alternative accommodation for them if they were single people. At one stage accommodation was not even being provided for married couples. If I do not make a mistake, no accommodation was provided for married couples unless they had at least one child. All of these people were put out of their tenement rooms which, bad and all as they were, at least provided shelter. They had nowhere to go. Families were dispossessed in this fashion. Families coming back from England; families coming up from the country to Dublin, which is the Mecca of the nation and has been for many years, although that is socially undesirable—all these families were put into dormitories in Griffith Barracks.

I do not have to tell mature persons the kind of atmosphere you will find when you have a number of families in a situation like that with no means of ensuring privacy as between one and another. It is hell let loose. That is what it is. If all the other things were idyllic, if the floor were rugs from wall to wall, if they had all the comforts of living but were still forced to live one on top of the other, it is the worst possible thing that could happen. We know from experience that that is the real problem of the subtenancy of Corporation houses too.

All this has been occurring since the publication of this pretence at a White Paper. The Minister for Local Government and the Government have failed utterly to grasp this nettle of housing. Far from improving the situation, the White Paper and the steps taken by the Government have worsened it, if anything. In their effort to level Georgian Dublin and to prevent the occupation of the old tenements, Dublin Corporation have knocked down houses which could have been used to house people waiting for Corporation houses for at least another few years.

So the landlords say.

Deputy Moore knows what I am saying is right.

I do not.

However, that is my opinion. They sent out hordes of inspectors. I have no time for landlords. I do not even know one. I do not believe they would talk to me.

I do not believe that.

There are some in your own Party.

I was referring to slum landlords. It is not true that I would not associate with them. I would associate with any human being. I do not denigrate anybody, no matter who he is. As my friend Deputy Burke might remark, "And of all these the greatest is charity."

You were converted, I think.

How do you know it is not the other way round? I have been working on him for years. Anyway, it is my view that a lot of these tenement rooms were hurriedly condemned. They would be infinitely better than Griffith Barracks. Would Deputy Moore not agree with that?

You cannot make that comparison.

You must make the comparison because that is the only comparison there. At least families would have privacy there.

The shame of Griffith Barracks is there.

Yes, they were locked up at night as if they were in the old Dickensian workhouses. They were segregated, with husbands being fed through the bars by their wives. It was ridiculous.

You are reading the wrong paper.

Not at all: I know as much about this as Deputy Moore.

Labour News propaganda.

I am glad to see the Minister is reading it. I hope he is paying for his copy.

Sin ceist eile.

I will be coming to the Minister shortly. First, I want to deal with this question of housing. It has just been mentioned to me by my colleague, Deputy Corish, that the Minister for Justice is himself involved in the housing problem. He will have to find accommodation for a large number of farmers very shortly.

Sin ceist eile.

We will be watching that with the utmost interest.

Put them in Griffith Barracks.

(Cavan): If they can hang on with the local elections, they will find a way out of that.

I want to speak on behalf of all the people in my constituency, indeed, on behalf of the people of Dublin generally, who are waiting for houses. As I said to the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries, it is easy to be cynical and to laugh about this if you like. But I am not laughing about it. I do not think it is funny. I had a letter this morning, one of many. Everybody gets them. I do not claim, as some people here do, to own every applicant for a house: I merely share them.

I had a letter from a woman whose husband is working in the city. They have three children. They live in a caravan near the airport. There is no hope of their getting a house in Dublin County for years. Dublin County Council has not built houses out there for years. Dublin County Council had the opportunity of building houses but did not build them. Now they are held up by the Department although they have plans. The prospect of building houses in this area is at least two years away. What are you going to say to people like that, with three little babies in a single apartment caravan, smothered with the fumes from an oil stove and dreading the winter with nowhere to go? How can you explain to them that the 1964 White Paper provided this, that and the other, that the county council did not do this, or that the Minister is not doing that, that they are living outside the Corporation area and the Corporation cannot house them in Ballymun, although they are living in Ballymun? How can you describe the position to an unfortunate woman who is driven half-crazy in those conditions?

What are you going to say if you, like me, go amongst these people every Sunday morning of your life, meeting people who are Corporation subtenants? If they come to you and unburden the problems which they have to face as subtenants in Corporation houses, and reveal the agonies through which they are going in overcrowded houses, living ten in a room —and tens and 12s and 13s are quite common in hundreds of those fourroomed Corporation houses—with no hope of being housed this year, what are you going to say to them? Anybody who has had this experience will agree with me that you come away depressed, depressed with the country and with the fact that this should be allowed to happen with nothing being done about it.

I am certain in my own soul that in the Department of Local Government there is an attitude of mind which does not care a damn about this Dublin problem. The Dublin problem from time immemorial, from the time of the foundation of the State, has never had proper consideration in the Department of Local Government. The Department of Local Government has always been dominated by a rural outlook except for the few short years when it was under the administration of Tim Murphy, God be good to him, who did wonderful work there. I am not saying that because he was Labour. He was that kind of man and it did not matter what Party he belonged to. He dominated that Department but I have never seen any Minister since who dominated it. You have that mentality there; yet you have in Dublin almost one-third of the country's population and a multitude of problems, and you have the Department of Local Government, which is charged with housing the people, dominated by a rural concept which holds that the important thing is to make provision for the rural areas. Even that is not very good so far as Dublin County is concerned.

I would ask the Minister for Local Government, or anyone who is interested, to come with me on any Sunday morning to Ballyfermot and to sit with me for one hour in my little hut listening to the people and I dare anybody with any sense of feeling to come back to this House and not be as moved by the situation as I am and by the suffering of people living as subtenants in this area. I challenge anybody to say that he would not be fired with enthusiasm to do something about it—like in Ballymun. The only notable thing about Ballymun was the collapse of Deputy Burke into a hole. Indeed, I am very sorry about that because I would not at all wish that anything like that should befall my very esteemed and courteous, not to say gracious, colleague——

Was the Deputy present at the time?

Unfortunately not, because I would have been the first to rush to his side, I assure you. Indeed, I heard about it so late that I have not had the time to discuss it with him. I would like to get the details. I will have to consult the witnesses as well. They say that there are 100 houses out there in Ballyfermot, somewhere in that swamp, but you cannot get into them. That is what Deputy Dowling said to me: the houses are there but you cannot get into them. What good is that?

I am told by officials of the Corporation that even if this year's programme is completed, it will not make any great difference to the housing list. This is absolutely scandalous. There is no excuse at all for a situation in which so many people are suffering for so long a time. Ask any of them what confidence they have in the Government. Ask the man whom I met last Sunday, who has three children and who has had to move from his mother's house to his mother-in-law's house, to his brother-in-law's house, back to his mother's house and who is now back in his mother-in-law's house, with his three children, and all in the space of six weeks—ask him what confidence he has in the Government's administration, or their housing policy.

Do not imagine that this is unusual. Those members of the Government Party who deal with this—there are not many, only two or three, and several Labour people—will know that I am speaking the truth and that it applies to hundreds of cases and indeed to thousands of smaller cases. The National Building Agency has been, as I said on another occasion, a flop. The country should be given an opportunity of saying what it thinks of this Agency. No doubt, Sir, when you saw the returns in the Presidential election for Dublin city and county, you were impressed by the fact that there had been a tremendous reversal in the voting pattern and beyond question, you asked yourself why this was. I will try to explain why it was.

I am sure you would not be surprised if I told you that, in fact, it had little or nothing to do with the Presidential election. This reversal had to do strictly with the policy of the Government. The opportunity was seized by the people to emphasise their dissatisfaction with what is happening and especially their dissatisfaction with the housing position. I understand the number on the housing list in Dublin city alone is in the neighbourhood of 8,000 to 10,000. The number of houses being provided, according to the last count, was 20 or 30 per month. How long will it take to reach families consisting of only three people, that is, a man, his wife and one child? Let it not be thought that these people are not as much entitled to a house as others with larger families. The degree of discomfort and personal suffering which is being endured is just as intense for small families as for larger families.

Debate adjourned.
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