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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Mar 1968

Vol. 233 No. 4

Committee on Finance. - An Bille um An Tríú Leasú ar an mBunreacht, 1968: An Dara Céim (Atógáil). Third Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 1968: Second Stage (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following amendment:
Go scriosfar no focail go léir i ndiaidh "Go" agus go gcuirfear ina n-ionad:—
"ndiúltaíonn Dáil Éireann an Dara Léamh a thabhairt don Bhille ar an bhforas gur togra atá neamh-dhaonlathach go bunúsach an togra sa Bhille suas le 40 faoin gcéad de bhreis ionadaíochta sa Dáil a thabhairt do roinnt saorá-nach thar mar a thabharfaí do shaoránaigh eile."
To delete all words after "That" and substitute:—
"Dáil Éireann declines to give a Second Stage Reading to the Bill on the grounds that the proposal in the Bill to provide some citizens with up to 40 per cent greater representation in the Dáil than other citizens is fundamentally undemocratic."
—(Deputy Cosgrave).

When I reported progress last week, I had given an example from Dublin North-East constituency in the last general election where there were seven out of a total of 12 candidates who were not elected and where in the case of six of those, the votes cast for them were subsequently treated as votes for other people, and in many cases not just for second preferences but third, fourth, fifth and possibly sixth preferences were similarly dealt with. In the case of one out of the seven candidates, through the operation of the unfair and illogical rule of this system, the voters who voted for him were excluded from this special consideration.

The point I wanted to make to Opposition Deputies is that I would like them to explain what offence against democracy those people have committed that their votes should not receive the same consideration and the same treatment as those who voted for the other six candidates. As far as I can see, the only thing which differentiates between them and the others is that they found more people to agree with their viewpoint than others.

They got their representative elected.

No, they did not. This was a representative who was not elected. This system takes into consideration the votes of those who can find a number of people in the constituency to agree with them. This system seems to be specifically designed to ensure that the final decision will in fact be made by that group of voters in the constituency who in accordance with the normal principle of democracy would be considered to be the least responsible in the particular constituency.

Debate adjourned.
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