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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Mar 1968

Vol. 233 No. 9

Adjournment Debate. - County Donegal Coast Protection.

On today's Order Paper, I had Question No. 52 dealing with coast protection at River Row, Moville, County Donegal. I want to say at the outset that I was prepared to elicit the information I required by way of Parliamentary Question but due to the unsatisfactory reply of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Finance, Deputy Gibbons, I was left with no alternative but to raise this matter on the Adjournment.

For the benefit of the House, let me go back over this problem of coast protection at River Row, Moville. River Row is an area where 14 families live, approximately 50 to 60 people. For the past ten years, agitation has been going on by the people there to have something done urgently. Before I came into this House, Deputy Cunningham, whom one could describe as the local Deputy for that part of Donegal, made promises that this work would be commenced at a very early date. One of the first problems presented to me by the people of Moville—to be more accurate by the Fine Gael group in that area—was River Row. They went to the utmost trouble to spotlight the hardship which the people there had to tolerate and forced me to have the matter raised in the House by way of Parliamentary Question. We were told at that time, in 1962, that the Coast Protection Act was being prepared and that when that Act was introduced by the late Donogh O'Malley, who was then Parliamentary Secretary, all our ills would be cured.

The people in Moville were not satisfied that that was soon enough and two former members of the Fine Gael Party representing the Buncrana electoral area—Mr. McEleney and Mr. Deeny—had motions tabled in Donegal County Council asking the Office of Public Works to have repairs carried out there at the earliest possible date. The general trend of debate at county council level by members of the Fianna Fáil Party was: "Do not waste ratepayers' money on having this repaired under the Local Authorities (Works) Act"—or by any other means which were available to Donegal County Council—"but wait until the Coast Protection Act is introduced and this will deal with this terrible problem." That was in 1962 and in 1963 the Bill was introduced, and from there on all sorts of pressure groups were being formed. No doubt the people who live here and who support the Government Party were making representations to their public representatives. I can assure the House that the people who support the Fine Gael Party were in constant touch with me about this problem.

I want to tell the Parliamentary Secretary that I am not particularly interested in who or what Party gets credit for carrying out repairs to River Row. I want to tell the public through whatever medium I can that it is time certain Fianna Fáil Deputies and county councillors in Donegal stopped playing Mickey Mouse politics looking for half a dozen votes here and there, trying to frustrate efforts by me and other people to have something done here. When Deputy Cunningham is approached in this matter, he is dealing with the Office of Public Works through the Parliamentary Secretary, Deputy Gibbons, and if any mention of this coast protection work is made by any Member other than a Fianna Fáil representative it is being attended to, so much so that when I addressed a question to the Parliamentary Secretary he informed me that he was telling me what he told Deputy Cunningham some time ago. I am not interested in what the Parliamentary Secretary told Deputy Cunningham. All I am interested in is when the Parliamentary Secretary will carry out repairs to River Row, Moville.

You may have seen, a Cheann Comhairle, in the local papers in Donegal over the past week or ten days that damages have been sustained at Fahan on the other side of the peninsula, damages to such a major extent that a deputation was sent to Donegal County Council meeting on Monday to ask them to provide engineers, if the Office of Public Works were not prepared to do so, to provide expert advice on how they could carry out repairs to Lisfannon. It may be out of order for me to mention Lisfannon. I only use this argument to bring to the Parliamentary Secretary's mind that on numerous occasions in this House by way of Parliamentary Question and indeed on the Vote for the Office of Public Works, I have warned the Parliamentary Secretary that unless repairs were carried out, erosion would take place and the cost would be much greater than what it would have been if it were attended to there and then. That is exactly what happened at Lisfannon last week when we had high winds blowing in a certain direction and four holes of Lisfannon golf course were washed away. Indeed the golf house itself is in danger and the main artery between Buncrana and Derry is in danger of being eroded. The same thing can happen at River Row, Moville. The only difference is that there are lives at stake at River Row. There are 14 families, approximately 50 to 60 people, living there.

I remember on one occasion when a springtide flooded that area to a depth of two to three feet I had an urgent call from the people concerned to come down and examine it and see what could be done. I went down on a wet, windy evening and all I could do was look on and sympathise with the people concerned. These are poor people. These are people who cannot run to the bank manager when their homes are destroyed. They cannot run to the nearest furniture supplier and order furniture, even if they were offered hire purchase arrangements. These are people who are earning a hard living and need every penny they earn to support their families and to rear them in any type of comfort. They cannot afford the danger or the terrors of being flooded now and then by tidal waves. Indeed a member of the Fianna Fáil Party, the deputy chairman of the county council, who lives in Moville said at the county meeting on Monday that he did not wish to be against the deputation from Lisfannon but he wanted to impress on the county council that the need to have something done to River Row was much greater than anything Lisfannon could claim. I do not wish to push any open doors. I only want to spotlight that a resolution was passed at the Moville Development Association a fortnight ago, a copy of which was sent to the Parliamentary Secretary. No satisfactory answer has been received from his office since, to my knowledge. A resolution was passed on numerous occasions by Donegal County Council that something be done.

When the Bill was introduced, we were told all we needed was legislation, that the money was there and would be spent. In 1965, £30,000 was voted for coast protection. Before the Bill was introduced in the House, that figure was reduced to £5,000. It was cut by £25,000 because of the credit squeeze but during that time even the Parliamentary Secretary refused to admit there was a credit squeeze. We knew, and everyone else admitted, without being told, that there was a credit squeeze. It seems from what has been said in the debate on the Third and Fourth Amendments to the Constitution, that the Government are more concerned about spending money on the referendum.

The Deputy is getting away from the Adjournment Debate. We cannot have a general debate on this question.

I am talking about River Row at Moville and I see no reason why I cannot compare the amount of money needed for the work there and that which the Government want to spend on the referendum.

You are discussing a credit squeeze. The Adjournment Debate deals with coast protection.

This is coast protection where no action has been taken to alleviate the dangers there. A sum of £25,000 was taken away. I want the Parliamentary Secretary to confirm or deny this when he is replying. In 1965, £25,000 was taken away because of the credit squeeze. This resulted in people crying out to public representatives and the Government to do something before a disaster took place. I hope there will be no such disaster. What I cannot understand is why the Government are so anxious to spend £100,000 on the referendum when something less than £10,000 would do to allow people to get to bed at night in peace, without fear of what will happen before the morning.

I would be in bed now only for you.

I apologise to the Parliamentary Secretary. I was referring to River Row and I apologise to the Parliamentary Secretary for keeping him out of bed at 10.45 p.m., but I can assure him that the people I am referring to now, the people in the cottages near River Row, cannot sleep in peace because they know that they may be awakened in the morning to carry their babies or any of their other children out of four feet of salty water. This is how serious the problem is. I know when the Parliamentary Secretary goes home he can retire in comfort and he knows he can lie in slumber until the alarm clock or some other device awakens him in the morning but the people living near River Row at Moville have not got this guarantee.

I know this may sound as a joke to the Parliamentary Secretary but in 1965 I was in constant contact with the Office of Public Works, and indeed with every power available to me as a county councillor, to try to get the Office and Donegal County Council to co-operate to have those works carried out at the earliest possible date. I do not wish to read out the text of a letter which I received from the Secretary of Donegal County Council on 9th June, 1966. I just want to say that I was assured that the Office had written to them asking for certain undertakings. They assured me they had written back on 28th March, 1966 to the effect that they were accepting full liability for the cost of carrying out the work. In other words, the green light was given to the Board of Works, to the Parliamentary Secretary, who is directly responsible to this House, on 28th March, 1966. That is exactly two years ago tomorrow.

In the meantime the Vote for coast protection was reduced from £30,000 to £5,000 in the year 1965. Then the Government told us it was due to a credit squeeze but two years later the Parliamentary Secretary, as a responsible member of the Fianna Fáil Party has taken on himself the responsibility to say to the people: "I am more interested in having a referendum to decide what way we should be elected than to see money spent on River Row." This is a scandalous situation and I feel it is time that Mickey Mouse politicians and Mickey Mouse politics ceased. I invited Deputy Cunningham at a council meeting to go to the Parliamentary Secretary and say to him: "Let us be real politicians. Let us see that this work is done."

I do not wish to delay the House any further. I have made most of the points I intended to make. I just wish to say that in another years time or another two years time, no matter what the result of the referendum is, even if the Parliamentary Secretary is not back there, I will be back, and if this work is not done I will be back on the Adjournment telling him or somebody else that the people living beside River Row at Moville are still awaiting the money to be spent on this work so that they can go to bed as comfortably as he can go to bed tonight.

There is just one thing which will prevent me coming back here to the Parliamentary Secretary on the Adjournment about this matter, that is, a change of Government. I will keep this seat warm for him. If you want to amend the Constitution to give the people an opportunity to provide a good strong Opposition, I say to you that after the next election on PR, you will have an opportunity of sitting over here in Opposition and Fine Gael will have an opportunity of providing this money.

This is disorderly. Deputy Harte should keep to the Adjournment Debate.

I am telling you so that the Parliamentary Secretary may know that I am informing the people concerned that ten minutes after we are in office, the money will be provided to carry out this work at River Row, Moville.

I understood that Deputy Harte's purpose in having me here on the Adjournment was to discuss the subject matter of Question 52 on today's Order Paper which concerns the coast erosion position in Donegal. Instead, we have had a homily about Mickey Mouse politicians. He was relevant enough when he was talking about Mickey Mouse politics. Then we had a homily about the referendum, the cost of it and all kinds of irrelevancies. In spite of all the irrelevancies, Deputy Harte did not succeed in concealing the most important aspect of the question as it affects him and it is this. Deputy Harte has not done his home work and does not understand the position at all. He does not understand the position regarding the coast erosion scheme. The text of that I gave him today:

As I stated in reply to a question by Deputy Cunningham on the 21st February this is one of the proposals, consideration of which had to be deferred because of the financial situation. I cannot yet say when it may proceed.

That is the point. You have money to spend on the referendum.

I take it Deputy Harte wants information, not interruptions.

During Deputy Harte's 20 minutes, he asserted more than once that there was a reluctance on my part to disclose the reasons for our inability to undertake more coast erosion jobs. Other than what is given in this reply, in my introduction to the Vote on Public Works and Buildings, I said:

The £5,000 in Subhead I is required to meet the cost of maintaining the completed coast protection works at Rosslare Strand, County Wexford.

I went on to say:

The procedure prescribed by the Coast Protection Act is protracted and I do not think that any works will commence this year.

I went on further to say:

I hope to be able to make a bigger provision next year so that construction work may begin then.

Why did you reduce it?

I do not think there is anything on my part to conceal.

Could I ask why it was reduced?

The Deputy had 20 minutes and the Parliamentary Secretary has ten minutes in which to reply.

I should like to explain the procedure under the Coast Protection Act to Deputy Harte, because he has not the slightest idea of what is involved and has not taken the trouble to look it up. He is troubled by this question of Deputy Cunningham, his colleague. The procedure involves many steps.

That is some consolation to the people in Moville.

I wonder is it that Deputy Harte wants to get into the local press.

The columns are available to you also.

Deputy Harte had 20 minutes and I have ten during which I will tell him something about the Coast Protection Act. The first thing you must do is have a preliminary examination and report by the Commissioners of Public Works and then consideration of the Commissioners' report by the promoting authority and declaration by that authority as to whether or not they wish a scheme to proceed. There is the preparation of a scheme by the Commissioners, subject to consent of and any conditions stipulated by the Minister for Finance; consideration by the promoting authority of the scheme prepared by the Commissioners and declaration by that authority as to whether or not they wish a scheme to proceed; publication and exhibition of the scheme by the promoting authority and the furnishing to the Commissioners of a report setting out observations received and the alterations, if any, the authority proposes should be made in this scheme; examination and determination by the Commissioners on the alterations, if any, to be made in the scheme.

You are whiling the time away.

Consideration by the promoting authority of the scheme, with or without any alterations, as determined by the Commissioners and declaration by that authority as to whether or not they wish the scheme to proceed; submission of the scheme by the Commissioners to the Minister for Finance.

Is it in order for me to ask the Parliamentary Secretary whether applications that conform to all the conditions he has read out have come in from other county councils?

It would not be in order.

Allow the Parliamentary Secretary to read a prepared statement.

The making of an order by the Minister for Finance, after any necessary consultation with other Ministers, refusing to confirm or confirming the scheme, either without alteration or with such alteration as he may consider necessary, and the sending of a copy of the order by the Minister to the Commissioners and the promoting authority. There are other provisions but because of Deputy Harte's insistent interruptions, I do not think I will be able to avail of the ten minutes available to me to give them. I thought he was seeking information and I am endeavouring to enlighten him on the 1963 Act but he persists with his colleague in constant interruptions. Plainly, his object is interruption, not information.

It is action I want. This must embarrass the Parliamentary Secretary.

We have reached the third stage. The Commissioners have asked the authority to prepare a scheme and indicate what State grant will be given. When we get that, a scheme will be prepared.

Was the circular from which the Parliamentary Secretary is reading not circulated a long time ago to local authorities? Is that a specific answer to a question.

No; these are notes I made myself. I presume the Deputy is referring to this paper I have in my hand. I have been instructed on the many steps that have to be taken before a scheme of this kind is implemented.

You provide the money the local authority asks for.

Would the Deputy not listen to the source of information, if he wants information?

This is an important issue.

If it is an important issue, the Deputy is not listening.

I told the Deputy that it is impossible for me to say when those many steps will be completed.

Will you provide the money and we will provide the men?

This is probably the behaviour of Donegal County Council. Since Deputy Harte is one of them, I certainly will not accept it.

Fifteen of them are Fianna Fáil, and they are worse.

I note that the Parliamentary Secretary is looking at the Press Gallery to see if they took that one down.

I hope a bigger provision will be made this year for coast erosion but I am not——

Why do you not provide the money?

The Dáil adjourned at 11 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 28th March, 1968.

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