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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 24 Oct 1968

Vol. 236 No. 8

Adjournment Debate. - County Dublin Electricity Supply.

I am compelled to raise this matter on the Adjournment by a sense of indignation at the manner in which the ESB have neglected, in the most disgraceful fashion, three households in the area of Forest, Swords, County Dublin, which is situated exactly on the fringe of Dublin Airport and, it might be said, on the land of Dublin Airport. The position is summarised by a letter which I have received from one of the parties concerned and which I shall read for the convenience of the House in order to set the matter in perspective. Mr. McLoughlin of Forest, Cloughran, Co. Dublin, wrote a letter to me on 22nd October, 1968, as follows:

I have been going around the ESB offices in the past two years— the one in Swords, Coolock and Fitzwilliam Street—as well as writing and speaking to them by phone, but it has come to nothing as they keep on saying that they are waiting for the Minister for Transport and Power to give his consent in writing——

I may say that these three people, these three households, have not got electricity for domestic use. They have no electric light. The three households are on the grounds of Dublin Airport, at the fringe of the runways.

—it has come to nothing as they keep on saying that they are waiting for the Minister for Transport and Power to give his consent in writing, and still he gave it by phone.

The blame lies somewhere and in the meanwhile we may put up with the hardships and candle light and pray that our young children won't get burned to death all because of the delay in one man trying to make up his mind.

There is a simple statement of the position. I took an interest in this matter in 1966—two years ago—at the request of the people concerned. On that occasion, in December, 1966, I made direct representations to the Secretary of the ESB and pointed out to him the extraordinary situation that here we have Dublin Airport which, as we know, is ablaze with light every night, as is the area immediately surrounding it, and, right beside are three households occupied by ordinary citizens and the ESB were making difficulties about providing for that supply.

My interest in the case began in 1966. In December of that year, I had a letter from the ESB to say that they were looking into the matter and would write to me further. In March, 1967, having heard nothing further, I reminded the Minister of the position by phoning his office. I also wrote to the Minister's office and, that month, I received a reply signed by the Minister stating that he had asked for a report from the Board—this was in 1967—in regard to the cases referred to with a view to ascertaining the position about the supply. From that, nothing ensued. On Tuesday, 23rd May, 1967, I asked a Dáil Question on this matter the reply to which read as follows:

I am informed by the Electricity Supply Board that there are four potential consumers in the townland of Forest, Co. Dublin.

There were three existing households ready to take supply and there was a prospect of a fourth coming into existence at the time.

The question of supply to these persons has been under consideration for some time past——

—that was in May 1967.

It was necessary to determine that an overhead supply to the consumers would not cause interference with airport operations. It is expected that an acceptable route for a line will be settled very shortly and that the ESB will then be in a position to offer supply.

In October, 1967, I received a letter, signed on the instruction of the Parliamentary Secretary setting out certain charges which were proposed in respect of supply. I continued to make representations in an effort to get the job done and, indeed, I was in touch with the ESB's Coolock office in February, 1968, on the matter. At that time, I was told that an official of the ESB would go to see the parties concerned in regard to the finalisation of the matter.

I was in touch with the Minister's Private Secretary in regard to this matter in June of this year and I had a letter, dated 23rd July, 1968, signed on behalf of the Parliamentary Secretary, again saying that the matter was receiving attention. There was a letter from the ESB to Mr. McLoughlin on 31st July of this year in the course of which it is said:

I now have pleasure in quoting new terms, based on the revised Government subsidy scheme.

It sets out what would be required to be paid—which was acceptable to the people concerned, as they indicated at various stages all along the line. The letter stated further:

The extension of supply would still be subject to approval by the Minister for Transport and Power due to the proximity of the Airport.

In July, 1968, the ESB said they were writing further to Mr. McLoughlin, one of the principal parties concerned in this case.

The most recent letter I had from the Parliamentary Secretary's office is dated 23rd October, 1968, in the course of which it is said:

A report in this matter has been received from the Electricity Supply Board. Following the review by the Government, earlier this year, of the position with regard to high special service charges, reduced terms for supply were quoted to Mr. McLoughlin and two other householders in Forest. These terms were accepted by all three householders. Following the acceptance of terms it was necessary for the ESB to get formal approval from this Department for an overhead supply line. This approval has now been granted and the ESB are at present making arrangements to extend supply to Forest.

The Board say they take into account wayleave across adjoining land and that this may not be determined before 31st January, 1969. They add that it may be possible that supply will be extended before Christmas.

This is an example, a very good instance of the manner in which the ordinary citizen's rights may be destroyed, trampled on, and in which the ordinary citizen may be frustrated by what are nothing less than bureaucracy, laziness and delays. This is a simple matter of three householders, surrounded on all sides by electricity —on one side by the Airport, possibly one of the largest centres of ESB consumption in the country. It is just a few yards away from the houses in which these three families live, who are deprived of the service simply because they are three ordinary citizens who have been put on the long finger, not from week to week or from month to month but from year to year down to the present day, and now it is suggested that it will be next year before they will be given an ordinary supply of lighting for their houses, in which they are using candles or paraffin oil at the moment.

The thing is a damn disgrace. I told the people to whom I was talking on the telephone that I would raise it in the House. This is not an exercise I enjoy. It is a duty that falls on me because it seems there does exist in these semi-State bodies and in the Civil Service a mentality which says that they are all right, that they make damn certain they are all right. They are the people who are writing these letters, making these reports. They are all right during the winter and it does not matter that three unfortunate families, surrounded on all sides by electric light, cannot have it.

I raise the matter here because I want to expose this and try to put a stop to this attitude of mind which apparently exists. I believe it does not exist in every Department or, indeed, in the case of every official, but it does exist in some cases as is made evident and revealed here—an attitude which seems utterly to disregard the elementary rights of the people. Just imagine what it means to a housewife with young children living in one of these houses, trying to carry on without the aid of domestic electric lighting, leaving aside altogether the other electric appliances, the normal requisites in any house today for cooking or whatever it might be. These people rely on candles and oil lamps for domestic lighting, implements of domestic use which have been out of use for almost a half century in even the most remote parts of the country. Even in some of the remote parts of the country referred to in the debate just adjourned, if such conditions prevail, I am sure tourists would be brought along to be shown cottages with oil lamps in them as an illustration of the ancient romantic Ireland that is dead and gone. They do not have to go to the west because they can go out to the Airport, a couple of miles beyond Santry, where they will find that situation.

I want to denounce the people who are responsible. Whoever they are, wherever they are, whichever Department they are in, they are guilty of absolute disregard of the welfare of the ordinary citizens. As I have said, I am satisfied that if they themselves found themselves in such a situation they would put up a mighty squeal about it and that they would get results.

This thing has gone on a long time, even before I became concerned with it during the past two or three years. It went on long before that. Now they are told they will be guaranteed supply when the winter is over, before 31st January. I ask the Parliamentary Secretary to tell me on behalf of these people, so that they will get some hope this winter, that supply will be extended within the next week or fortnight. There is no obstacle except one, which is conjured up to cause delay. It is called "wayleave". Many county council members know that council gangers use wayleave. It is simply a form which is handed to landowners to indicate that the local authority intend to proceed across or through land.

In this case there is no need for this delay in the matter of wayleaves. If there is it should be ended. It should have been ended long ago. I do not think there is any need for this delay. The matter of wayleave is just an excuse to prolong the agony of these people. I conclude by asking the Parliamentary Secretary to give us a definite date, within the next couple of weeks at least, and to tell us he will see to it — and he has the power to see to it—that the ESB will stop this nonsense and give these people the supply to which they are entitled. If he does I will be satisfied, though the whole business has been a disgrace as, I am sure, the Parliamentary Secretary will agree.

I was rather surprised at Deputy Dunne's approach to this. On the face of it he seems to have made a very good case but, in fact, it is the flattest case I have heard him make for many a long day. I suppose there is every reason for this simply because he had not a case to make in the first instance. I have heard him wax eloquent on numerous occasions on behalf of the unfortunate downtrodden in one way or another, but this attack this evening quite appals me. He quoted from correspondence between my Minister's office, my office and himself during three years, the period during which he has been championing the cause of those three, as he describes them, unfortunate people.

I do not take away from the fact that they are unfortunate in so far as they have not electricity, but Deputy Dunne has not played fair with the House in this matter and certainly not with the Department. I want to say I very much resent, on behalf of the officials of the Department of Transport and Power and of the ESB the allegations, the insinuations and the innuendoes——

There were no innuedoes. It was a simple statement that they lay down on the job.

They did not. I listened patiently to Deputy Dunne while he was making these insinuations and derogatory statements and I hope that during the ten minutes I have been allocated as against his 20 minutes he will give me the opportunity——

Obviously the Parliamentary Secretary is making a partisan job of it to defend the defenceless.

——to show up Deputy Dunne who quotes portions from letters. Up to this year the situation was that, in fact, those three people could not have got electricity supplied to them at a charge which would be payable from their point of view. The correspondence which took place prior to this year in this particular matter indicated that an inquiry some two years ago terminated in those three people being informed in June of last year of the terms under which they would need to accept the electric current and they were quoted special service charges individually of £6 per house in addition to their normal fixed charge which in two instances was 11/9d and in the other instance 16/-. Those terms quoted to them in June, 1967 were unacceptable to them and certainly unacceptable to Deputy Dunne who was informed at that time and did not come back until earlier this year when I had made an announcement that we were reviewing the special service charges in respect of the ESB supply. I do not think Deputy Dunne should make such a fuss and talk about the fact that those three people are any different from about 40,000 people in rural Ireland in general who, up to now, have not been in a position to take electricity or who have not been in a position to get electricity in some cases.

Arising from the situation which had developed a number of people were not in an economic position where they could take electricity. The Department of Transport and Power, through the Minister, and the ESB, made arrangements this year for a large-scale cut-down in the special services charges which were debarring people from installing electricity in their homes. It was arising from this that these three people renewed their applications. On 6th August this year the new terms which were considerably less than the terms which had formerly been quoted to them were finally accepted by those people. In the three cases terms of special two-monthly service charges were quoted at the rate of £1 16s per two months in two cases and in the third case £2 6s 8d was quoted. These terms were below the terms quoted last year and proved attractive to those people and at that stage we had their acceptance.

The Deputy talks about gangers with the Dublin County Council handing out wayleave permission every day of the week. In this particular instance we, of necessity, need to take 1,100 metres of overhead line, and to provide poles, and to bring the poles across farmers' land in this area. I hope Deputy Dunne is not suggesting to me or to the officials of the Department of Transport and Power or to the ESB we should ride roughshod over any objection farmers might have and that we should not try to come to an arrangement with the farming community with the view to obtaining permission to go over their land. Deputy Dunne suggested that the ESB having had their terms accepted in August should now be in a position to disregard any objection or any negotiation with landowners through whose land they will have to go. This is the 14 weeks which we anticipate from date of acceptance until time of provision of this service—a very normal length of time for the ESB to take. I think Deputy Dunne has been overplaying his hand in this.

Rubbish. You are trying to defend a ridiculous situation.

I am not. Today in the House I had to answer questions from Deputies in the west of Ireland asking if people who had been passed over in view of the fact that they could not afford to take electricity last year could shortly get it. My reply was that it would be three to five years before they can be re-canvassed because of the planned programme of spreading rural electrification all over the country which, in fact, was initiated in the same area as the Forest area near Swords, County Dublin. Deputy Dunne is clearly playing to the feelings of these three people. Maybe this is the system he has. He is endeavouring to make what capital he can, blaming the officials, from the Minister to the lowest official in the Department of Transport and Power, and blaming the ESB for not being in a position to put up the poles, put up the wire and switch on the following day.

The letter Deputy Dunne quoted which he received probably yesterday from my Department in this regard did mention that we will be providing it. The information I have from the ESB is that they will be in a position to extend to Forest by the 31st January next at the very latest and it is hoped— and every effort will be made to have this service provided—before Christmas. I would prefer to be in a position to be able to reply to the Deputy and say we can arrange with the ESB to have the supply provided for the three people and their three households before the end of this week or before the end of next week, but if I were to accede to that type of demand and were in a position to issue an instruction to the ESB, which I do not claim I am, if I assumed the function of doing that, Deputy Dunne would be one of the first people coming to me about the manner in which I was ruling the State-sponsored bodies, as he is adept at doing in relation to another body under the Department of Posts and Telegraphs.

Which one?

That was manifest. You did definitely interfere and that is a matter of public opinion.

It just goes to show the depths to which he is willing to stoop. The ESB are doing their job with regard to having the matter cleared with the Department of Transport and Power. That clearance was given within seven days. The officials should be commended for this.

I want to refer again to the insinuation which the Deputy made as to the use of power by me to give instructions to the ESB to oppose every possible objection from landowners in that area to erect poles and put wires across their land without reference to their feelings. He would be very annoyed if something of this nature were done by the ESB. I think that the picture the Deputy painted of young children being burned to death because of the people having to use candles was rather melodramatic because we have this particular situation in the country at the present time and all steps are being taken in an effort to spread rural electrification.

The man's letter written to me quoted that.

It is beautifully decorated and the emphasis is in all the right places.

It is a pity we are not dummies. The Parliamentary Secretary will not be there long.

If Deputy Dunne has something to raise on the Adjournment he should get something with more justification than this.

I will insist on my right to raise questions on the Adjournment so long as I am a Member of this House.

If the Ceann Comhairle allowed it there must be some substance in it.

The Parliamentary Secretary will not stifle my voice in this House.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.30 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Tuesday, 29th October, 1968.

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