asked the Minister for Education what increase in the number of primary teachers will now be necessary in order to attain the pupil-teacher ratios referred to in Chapter 8, Par. 4 of the Second Programme for Economic Expansion; and whether with a view to achieving these desirable standards any decision has been taken to reverse the decision referred to in that paragraph not to accelerate the output of teachers from the primary teacher training colleges; and, if not, if he will now reverse this decision.
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The basic problem involved here is one of better utilisation of the teaching force. There is at present one teacher for every 33 pupils. The policy of closing small schools and creating larger school units is a major factor in achieving this better utilisation. In addition, about 100 teachers in excess of normal requirements are being turned out each year. This has resulted in a position in which since 1958 the total number of national teachers has been increased by about 1,000 while the number of pupils continues to remain around the half million mark. The goal which has been set is that there should not be over 35 pupils in any class. I am satisfied that the measures already taken will enable us to reach this goal in a reasonable period of time.
How long?
A reasonable period.
How long is a reasonable period to leave pupils with inadequate teaching arrangements?
I am sure the Deputy is aware that we have made very considerable and worthwhile changes in recent years and, with the appointment and retention of teachers, the average has, in fact, been lower on a number of occasions in recent years and all this is helping towards reducing the numbers in classes.
How long more do we have to wait?
Until the Deputy becomes Minister.
That is a kind thought.