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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 28 Oct 1975

Vol. 285 No. 3

Private Members' Business. - Regional Policy: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann deplores the failure of the Government to formulate and implement a regional policy designed to stimulate the growth of the less developed parts of the country.

I am proposing this motion to the Dáil and deploring the failure of the Government in regard to a regional policy because, as I propose to show, the Government have no regional policy. In addition the progress that was made in that area under the previous Government has been reversed, the EEC Regional Fund is, I submit, being abused by the Government and, small as it is, is not being allowed by the Government to aid the regional development which the country so urgently requires.

As far as the west is concerned any progress in industrial development or infrastructural development is due to a combination of Fianna Fáil policies and certain economic consequences flowing from those policies. I referred to this matter in the House on the 16th April, 1969 when speaking as Minister for Industry and Commerce, as reported in Volume 239, column 1614 of the Official Report of that date I said:

Promoters are now coming here with fairly large scale projects who say to us: "We want to go to the west" instead of our having to say, as we did heretofore, "There are advantages in the west" naming the additional grants and so on. There is a change here. There are a number of factors leading to it. The point is that it is happening and Deputies will see that this is so in the not-too-distant future I hope.

I wonder can anybody honestly say that any industrial or infrastructural developments in the west are due to the policies of this Government whose attitude is clearly underlined by the fact that they never have had a Minister and now even have not a Parliamentary Secretary for west of the Shannon.

The development of a regional policy in the country goes back a long way. Perhaps a convenient place at which one might start a review of this development would be with the publication of the Buchanan Report in September, 1968. The House will recall that the major recommendation of that report was that we should concentrate the bulk of our resources on two large growth centres, to wit, Cork and Limerick, on the assumption that Dublin would continue to grow and that it did not need the allocation of special resources in order to have it continued as an effective growth centre but merely such resources as would be needed to service its natural growth. Those resources are, of course, very large indeed. That, as I say, was the major and perhaps the most controversial recommendation of that report.

I would like to recall to the House that the Fianna Fáil Government issued a statement in relation to the Buchanan Report on the 19th May, 1969. With your permission, I would like to quote a few of the statements made then. Paragraph 3 of the then Government statement is as follows:

A growth-centre programme on the lines recommended by the consultants would have far-reaching implications in regard to physical expansion on development prospects in other areas; the volume of demand on investment resources, public and private; the locational pattern of such investment and future internal population movements. The Government are concerned to achieve broad-based regional expansion leading to a faster rate of industrial growth and a higher level of employment in industry and services and to keep population dislocation to the minimum consistent with these objectives. It has been decided, therefore, that the consultants growth-centres recommendations should be further considered in the context of proposals for regional developments generally.

The Government of that time then went on to indicate the steps they had decided to take in regard to regional development. The beginning of paragraph 4 reads as follows:

The Government consider that the potential of every region should be exploited to the full, including the potential of those cities and towns which can develop as growth centres. Under the Local Government (Planning and Development) Act, 1963 the council of every city, town and county is required to prepare a development plan for its area, and those plans have been made in practically every case. The Act provides for the co-ordination of the development plans and, for this purpose, the country has been divided into nine planning regions. A regional co-ordinating body has already been established in the Limerick Region, and the Government propose that co-ordination groups should now be established in all regions. The main function of these groups will be to coordinate the programmes for regional development in each region.

That paragraph then went on to specify the nine regions concerned. In paragraph 5 the statement continued:

In their drive to achieve full employment and to reduce emigration, the Government will seek to ensure, as far as possible, that new industrial and service employment opportunities will be created locally in order that population increase and people seeking alternative employment will be able to find work in convenient locations.

It is quite clear from that statement that the Fianna Fáil Government at that time rejected this concept, which was the major recommendation of the Buchanan Report, and favoured a much more widespread development, for the various reasons touched on in the quotations. I have given, but operated through effective regional planning based on nine planning regions into which the State was divided.

The wisdom of that decision might be questioned. I believe that development since and economic studies since tend to support the wisdom of that decision rather than otherwise and to cast further doubt than then existed, which was substantial at that time, on the wisdom of the major recommendation of the Buchanan Report. As I said, that statement was issued in May, 1969 but even prior to that I had already announced plans to regionalise the work of the Industrial Development Authority and in response to an interjection from a Deputy in the House I described briefly the position as we envisaged it as reported at columns 1613 and 1614 of Volume 239, 16th April, 1969 of the Official Report. The quotation is as follows:

It will mean that within the region in which Mayo will be situated there will be a local IDA office charged with the promotion and development of industry within the region. There will be an organisation involving co-operation between the local authorities concerned and any of the bodies within the region concerned with industrial development. This is aimed at decentralising to some extent the industrialisation programme, utilising local knowledge, initiative and enthusiasm and ensuring that there are people responsible, directly concerned with and having a knowledge of the local conditions within the region, as distinct from depending on the overall responsibility exercised heretofore from Dublin. I feel this can make for a considerable change in approach to each region.

In fact, we went on to implement that. I would point out that the attitude of the Government at the time recognised the vital role of local authorities in any regional policy because the provision of roads, sewers, water, housing and, indeed, general planning considerations—are vital to regional development. That role was recognised in the structure outlined and set up.

Prior to that also and as part of the then Government's development of regional policy, I, as Minister for Industry and Commerce, had initiated the small industries programme in 1967 and subsequently, after a trial period, we extended it to all areas of the country except Dublin. That programme has been very successful. Thousands of jobs have been created under it in towns and villages and rural areas throughout the country and almost all of them have been created as a result of Irish skills and Irish enterprise. But the Coalition Government recently extended the operation of that programme to Dublin so that there is now no incentive under that programme to locate in the west, certainly no particular incentive as there was before. I have personal knowledge of projects under that programme which were located in less developed parts of the country and would have been located in Dublin but for the provision that we operated in regard to that programme—that it would not operate in the Dublin area.

I suggest that the whole approach of this Government is Dublin-oriented and for political reasons, not for any reasons of economic policy or an assessment of what is in the best interest of the country. The people of Dublin will not thank this Government for that because what the Government are doing is contributing to the huge growth of Dublin with the very unpleasant living conditions that can bring about, with the appalling traffic problems it can create and with the enormous cost of land and roads involved. Other consequences are the social disruption in Dublin as has occurred and is occurring on a much bigger scale in other cities in other parts of the world because no country has yet learned how to operate effectively urban living conditions in large cities so that the quality of life will be satisfactory for most of its inhabitants.

Like other countries, we have not learned to master that problem yet— if it ever can be mastered—and the policy pursued by the Government is accentuating that problem. On the other hand in rural areas, in towns and villages throughout the country, that policy is totally disrupting the social fabric. I believe any Government worthy of the name would be concerned about that and would be trying to remedy it or at least stem the flow instead of which this Government are trying to accentuate it by such actions as extending the small industries programme to the Dublin area.

This is another example of the extremely defective judgment of this Government, the mismanagement by them which is illustrated only to clearly in their handling of the economy generally and that in this instance also we have grave mismanagement indulged in purely for what the Government regard as a short-term political gain. Members of the present Government when in Opposition were continually pressing us who were then in Government in regard to the Buchanan Report and in regard to the policy of growth centres. As I indicated briefly in the quotations I have given from the statements of the Government at that time regarding the Buchanan Report and in regard to the policies then announced, initiated and implemented, the attitude of the then Government was quite clear—that it was opposed to those recommendations of the Buchanan Report. Members of the present Government professed great concern then. I think in particular the present Minister for Finance was one of them; certainly the present Minister for Foreign Affairs was very active in this field and Deputy Barry Desmond, chief Whip of the Labour Party was another and is on record in another debate in this House as referring to himself as being blue in the face asking questions on this subject. It is interesting in the light of that—Deputy Barry Desmond going blue in the face asking these questions —to consider the position since the Government took office. It should be remembered that when in Government we made our position clear and we acted as I have outlined but what have this Government done or said about a national regional policy? There are few topics on which this Government have been short of words—there are a few but not many—and this appears to be one of them. As far as I know there has not been one word from any member of the Government on this question of growth centres and the kind of policy that should be adopted and implemented in that regard.

I do not know where the Government stand in regard to growth centres, in regard to the recommendations in that regard in the Buchanan Report. I invite the Minister for Finance to avail of the opportunity of this debate to let us know where the Government stand in that regard. It may be late in the day but better late than never. In the absence of any statement from the Government I suggest their actions speak very loudly for them. Some of their actions indicate their attitude, including the opening of the small industries programme to Dublin, as I mentioned, and the grabbing of the EEC Regional Fund for the benefit of the Exchequer. If it is the Minister's contention that that is not what is being done, perhaps he will indicate what items of ordinary expenditure on infrastructural or industrial development have been or will be increased by the amount received from the EEC Regional Fund. If that cannot be indicated, it would seem clear that the ultimate destination of any moneys received from the EEC Regional Fund is the maw of the Exchequer and not the development of a regional policy here.

It is notable that in the announcement made by the Government recently concerning projects in respect of which they are receiving repayment from the EEC Regional Fund there was little or no regard for infrastructural needs. Out of a sum of almost £6 million, £470,000, according to the Government's statement, will go to disadvantaged areas infrastructure. I have no doubt that if analysed it would be quite revealing but we must assume, in the absence of any information to the contrary, that it is going for what one would normally understand as infrastructural development in disadvantaged areas. Even if it is it is £470,000 out of almost £6 million. The actions of the Government in this and other regards speak loudly as to their attitude to regional development.

Nobody could contemplate a regional policy for this country and the application of EEC funds to aid that policy without envisaging quite substantial, and hopefully, if we could get the fund up to a proper size, massive investment in infrastructural development here. Any little thought given to this subject will show that this is not only desirable but essential if there is to be any real regional policy and regional development here. Yet, the first allocation announced by the Government shows £470,000 out of almost £6 million for infrastructural development.

That statement indicates that other money will be going for infrastructure but it is also described, correctly, as infrastructural projects directly related to industrial development. That is not the kind of infrastructure one is talking about when one is speaking of regional development. Many industries have in the past, and will in the future, require certain infrastructural development, a road, a special water supply or a sewerage scheme for that project. There is nothing related specifically to regional policy and the infrastructural development that one would envisage under regional policy involved in that.

Perhaps the most telling action of the Government in regard to alleged regional policy is the spread of these projects throughout the country. In a debate we had some months ago in regard to the EEC Regional Fund we had contributions from Deputies Barry Desmond and John Esmonde from the Government side and they made it clear that they thought the EEC fund for regional development ought to be used in or close to their respective constituencies. Deputy Esmonde was specific about a particular area in his own constituency. I cannot say that Deputy Barry Desmond advocated that the fund should be used in Dún Laoghaire but he went close to that. In all fairness to him I have a copy of a report of a debate in 1969 in which Deputy Barry Desmond argued very strongly that we should concentrate industrial development in the Dublin area, stretching from Balbriggan to Bray, and forget the rest of the country. He is being consistent in this regard. Whatever view one takes of that argument one cannot call it the implementation of a regional policy by an Irish Government. All the factors to which I adverted previously, social disruption and the economic cost, should be considered in this kind of approach.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the views put forward, it cannot be called the implementation of a regional policy. I should like to remind the Minister that he and his party and I, and members of my party, campaigned to urge people to vote in favour of joining the EEC. The people did so, rightly in my view, but both parties in that campaign laid great stress on the possibilities inherent in the establishment of an EEC Regional Fund. I challenge the Minister, or anybody on the Government benches, to indicate any speech made at that time from their side of the House, or from this side, which would give any listener an inkling that what was involved was the expenditure of money throughout the country in small dribs and drabs mainly on such things as industrial grants or the recoupment to the Exchequer of money already spent on industrial grants. That is not what we represented a regional fund as being capable of doing for this country. We clearly indicated to the country that we would be able to utilise it for large scale developments benefiting the poorer parts of the country, especially the west but not confined to the west. That is not what has happened. I regard it as getting close to a fraud on the voters to implement the EEC Regional Fund in that way.

We had a statement from the Minister for the Gaeltacht, who I am glad to see is present, in regard to the setting up of a western development board outside of the Gaeltacht. Although it is proper for that Minister to operate outside the Gaeltacht, it was he who announced that. I would suggest that board are likely to produce the same benefits as the activities of the Minister for the Gaeltacht have produced for the Gaeltacht, that those areas will be the recipients of a very astute, well conducted, clever public relations campaign but that they will not be the recipients of any worthwhile developments or benefits.

The Minister for the Gaeltacht may remember speaking in this House in July last and claiming various projects and job creations and that Deputy Molloy, among others on this side of the House, analysed those claims and pointed out that they replaced plans announced six years previously. The Minister for the Gaeltacht undertook to reply to those points. He was asked on a few occasions if he were doing it and he said he was writing a letter to explain the matter, but he had not done so up to last weekend.

The Minister indicated at that time that he undertook to write a letter to the Deputy.

I replied to all those questions.

However, the real matter at issue here is do this Western Development Board constitute even an attempt towards the development of a regional policy by this Government? I suggest they do no such thing. There is no indication of the provision of any money for this board, no indication of what their powers will be, of what the role of the IDA, and in particular of their regional offices, will be in relation to this board, or of what the role of county development teams will be and of the local authorities. There has been no indication of the role of agricultural development programmes in relation to the activities of the board. There is no indication of which planning regions will be covered by the board—will it be one or more of the nine planning regions announced by the previous Government in the statement I have referred to, or are the Government proposing to abandon those planning regions, and if so which are being abandoned and why, and which are being adopted and why?

If the Minister for the Gaeltacht expects to have any credibility whatever attached to his statement he should spell out the answers to at least some of these questions. We need a national regional policy anyway, quite apart from the EEC, but we also need it in order to make the best use of the EEC Regional Fund instead of unplanned, non-regional use as we have had and as was shown in the recent Government announcement in relation to the projects which were the subject of the first allocations from this fund.

Members of the Government have been at some pains to describe the amount of money coming from the regional fund as being a pittance. Other such terms have been used in relation to it. There is no doubt we should all like to see the sum available vastly increased, but surely if the sum involved is small this is all the more reason why the Government should concentrate its use and so get the maximum benefit from it instead of scattering it around various parts of the country, be they developed or undeveloped in our context.

Article 6 of the fund regulations requires the Government to furnish a national regional development programme to the Commission. I should like to know what has the Government done about it and if they intend to publish such a programme and get comments on it from around the country before submitting it to Brussels. I suggest it is typical of the Government and of their efforts at pulling the wool over the eyes of the people that they have failed to disclose how much aid under the regional fund is designated for each region. Other member States have not approached it in that way. Why do the Irish Government take that kind of stand? Seven projects have been named for Mayo but the amounts involved appear to be a State secret. I suggest that is contrary to Article 14 of the fund which provides that in publicising infrastructure programmes member States shall take all necessary steps to ensure that assistance from the fund is given suitable publicity. Ireland seems to be the only member State which does not stipulate the amount of aid going to individual projects. The Government appear to be simply scattering the relatively small amount available at the moment from the fund on small projects throughout the country, thus depriving any one area of effective assistance from the fund.

I suggest that the outline of the situation I have given, though it cannot be as detailed as I should like because of time limitation, is sufficient to show that prior to the change of Government there was in being the elements of an effective national regional policy, that it was being implemented, and that from the time of the change of Government there has been no announcement of policy, no development of policy and in so far as there has been, it has been going backwards.

For those reasons I suggest that this House should deplore, as I request in in this motion, the failure of the Government to formulate or implement a regional policy designed to stimulate growth in the less developed parts of the country.

It is most significant that Deputy Colley has nobody to second his motion. So shallow is the Fianna Fáil performance that they have not even enough interest to send any Deputy into this House to back Deputy Colley, still less to utter one word in his support. It does not surprise me because this is the second time this year Deputy Colley has tried to mislead our people about the regional fund. For a long time past we have been alerting our people to the seriousness of our current economic position and to the magnitude of the national effort which will be required to overcome these problems and to extricate ourselves from our passing difficulties. In fairness to the Leader of the Opposition, Deputy Lynch, he has endorsed the Government's warnings.

A responsible Opposition and in particular, a responsible Opposition spokesman on Finance, would play their part in bringing home the reality of our economic situation to the people and in creating a national will to solve those problems. But this is not what Deputy Colley has chosen to do in this the second week of the current Dáil term. Instead of debating the real economic problems he has chosen to put down once again a vague, condescending and patronising motion, misinterpreting the EEC provisions in relation to regional aid and misleading the people once again along the foolish Fianna Fáil path that words, reports and mere verbiage about regional policy is an adequate substitution for action. I do not believe the people will accept that.

Fianna Fáil put down this motion not because of any concern for the people of the west or the disadvantaged regions but simply because of the West Mayo by-election. They know they are going to lose this by-election and the only way they can think of to stave off defeat, which would be of gigantic proportions, is to attempt to mislead the people of the west. However, the people of the west are not easily fooled. They know what has been done by this Government to ease their conditions of life and offer them sustainable employment for the future. They see how this contrasts with the very small amount done by the previous Administration. They showed their contempt for Fianna Fáil in the last general election and they will show it in West Mayo in a few weeks time.

As I said, this is the second time this year Deputy Colley wasted the time of the Dáil in putting down motions on regional policy. In June last the Deputy and his colleagues questioned this Government's regional policy in a Private Members' Motion. We had no difficulty at that time. showing how ludicrous that charge was. I was unable to be present then but I am glad to say the debate was handled in his usual brilliant fashion by the late Deputy Henry Kenny, my Parliamentary Secretary. He, with his inimitable wit and ability showed how ludicrous was the Fianna Fáil position. It is ironic that it was the death of Henry Kenny which precipitates the coming by-election and that that occasion should be used by the Opposition to return to the charge. Deputy Kenny had far greater knowledge of the west than Deputy Colley will ever have and he dismissed the Opposition's charge as baseless. I believe the people will endorse Henry Kenny and his son in a fortnight's time if only to demonstrate their contempt for the Fianna Fáil line. The only reason they are returning to this issue when there are so many others on the Order Paper is because of the West Mayo by-election. That is perfectly clear and I do not think that even they have the temerity to deny it.

I will give facts to show how false is their charge. If they show nothing else they will show that Fianna Fáil are gluttons for punishment. Fianna Fáil have always confused action and the appearance of action. It is this confusion which represents their attitude in regional policy. When Fianna Fáil were in power there was a certain amount of verbal activity in the regional policy area. Impressive and weighty reports were prepared by experts and published at enormous public expense. There was a great deal of talk about how concerned they were about development. But what came of all this? Precious little. When the reports came in and presented the Fianna Fáil Government with real concrete questions and decisions, they were pigeon-holed. The classic example was, of course, the Buchanan Report. This was published in 1969. The Government had no idea what to do with it. They put it on the long finger for three long, tardy years. We have clearly displayed that this Coalition Government have a different approach. We believe in action, which speaks a lot louder than words. The Opposition attitude, as has been demonstrated by Deputy Colley, has clearly not changed. This motion shows that for them regional policy is what it has always been to them, a convenient platform from which from time to time they can endeavour to obtain rural votes.

The Opposition have made much play from time to time of the Government's unwillingness or inability to obtain and use regional fund moneys. They accuse the Government of having no regional policy and have suggested that we were unable to put forward projects which would meet requirements of the EEC fund regulation, thus enabling us to benefit from the funds allocated to Ireland at the December, 1974, Paris Summit. This has been shown to be rubbish of the first order. Apparently it is once again necessary to tell Fianna Fáil, and anybody else who may be mislead by them, that Ireland was the first of the nine EEC countries to lodge in Brussels a detailed list of regional projects. We were ahead of Europe and it was not thanks to any preparation made by Fianna Fáil before they went out of office. Within the past fortnight the European Commission decided that the long list of projects which the Government submitted should qualify for fund assistance. I suppose the Opposition realised when making these irresponsible accusations that they could damage our national interest in Brussels if the Commission took them seriously. Happily the Commission, like the people of the west, do not take Fianna Fáil seriously.

I trust that the Minister on reflection will withdraw that statement.

I have to judge Fianna Fáil by their actions and when those actions are not well founded I cannot put any interpretation on them other than the one I have just uttered.

The Minister can be judged on his own statement.

The second false accusation of the Opposition was that the Government intended to give the west a bad deal in sharing regional funds. Last June I said that was untrue and, at that time the Parliamentary Secretary said it was untrue. We said we would give special priority in dispersing the funds to projects in the less-developed regions. I spelt out what those regions were. I named them county by county and, in some cases, district by district.

Those projects were already completed.

Seventy-three per cent of the projects which the Commission have accepted for regional fund assistance, representing 65 per cent of the fund assistance committed, are in Mayo, Clare, Galway, Donegal, Kerry, Leitrim, Roscommon and similar designated areas. Roughly onethird of the national population resides in these areas.

The projects were already completed.

In other words, the amount of regional fund aid committed per head of the population is over four times as high in the west as in the rest of the country. For Mayo the amount received in regional fund aid per head of the population is five times greater than the average. This is a far higher concentration of help on western problems than has ever been given by the Industrial Development Authority under any of the schemes they operate, including the small industries scheme to which Deputy Colley referred.

County Mayo has received the largest grant of any county, almost £900,000 out of an allocation of £5.9 million. Deputy Colley has acknowledged that the allocation is a mere flea bite in the public capital programme and in the tens of millions of pounds the Government are directing towards the western, less developed regions of the country.

The European Commission have confirmed that Ireland is abiding by the regional fund regulation and their decision to commit fund assistance to our projects backs this up. I asserted that that would be the case and the fact that the money has been allocated to us confirms that all the malicious accusations that have been made against us are totally false. The Commission will not pay money for regional fund purposes unless the expenditure conforms to the EEC requirements and that includes the provision that money spent must be in addition to what the national Government would otherwise spend.

The line Ireland has taken in this matter has been supported by other member States. The Opposition suggested there would be some difficulty in obtaining fund receipts for Ireland. Our track record shows clearly that so far we have been the most efficient of all the member States of the EEC in submitting projects for Commission approval and in obtaining that approval. We intend to maintain this record, which is living proof of the falsity, of the mean and unjustified allegations made against us by a discredited Opposition.

There are some other facts that must be stated. First, when the political decision to establish the regional fund was taken last Dec- ember in Paris by the heads of state and Government, this Government reacted immediately by settling the 1975 public capital programme at a level £8 million higher than it would otherwise have been because that was the sum allocated to Ireland in respect of regional aid for 1975. Incidentally, all that £8 million will not be received from the Commission in 1975 but notwithstanding that we increased the allocation by £8 million.

Secondly, this country was the first member State to submit the annual statement in lieu of the regional programmes required under Article 6 (6) of the fund regulation. Thirdly, when the way was cleared for the submission of applications for fund assistance following the first meeting of the Regional Fund Management Committee in July, 1975—and it was no fault of this country that the effective decisions regarding the fund were not taken until July, 1975—Ireland was again the first member State to submit a formal request for a fund contribution. Indeed, Commissioner Thomson, the commissioner in charge of regional policy, at his Press conference last week when announcing the first Commission decisions on projects submitted by member States remarked that Ireland was "very quickly" off the mark" in submitting its claims. He said that as a result Ireland would receive 73 per cent of its 1975 entitlement from the initial allocation. This is a higher percentage than for any other member State. In everything Ireland has been first. There are nine countries in the league and we are first in all cases, in our applications, in getting them accepted and in getting money for them, but apparently Fianna Fáil are so begrudging that they are not prepared to give credit where credit is due. It is surely due to us that we have been the first in all stages in relation to the regional fund operations.

I suppose the Minister is serious?

Finally, I should like to remind Deputies that the decision by the Commission to commit support to projects does not of itself start the flow of regional fund finance to member States. Before cash transfers can commence, member States must lodge payment claims with the Commission in respect of national expenditure which has already taken place on these projects. Fianna Fáil know that. They know we must spend the money and prove we spent it before a farthing, a franc or any form of currency can come from Brussels. There can be no payment by Brussels to us until we have first spent the money. Fianna Fáil sit there and they know this but they keep on persisting in the falsehoods for which they are deservedly famous.

In relation to presentation of proof of payment, this Government recorded another "first". We lodged our first payment demand on the day on which Commissioner Thomson was announcing the first Commission decisions on projects. This also demonstrates the wisdom of the Government's policy of putting forward the type of projects from their ongoing expenditure programme. It is the one sure way of making certain that we establish our claim to and actually receive fund aid with minimum delay.

There is ample evidence of the increased scale of the regional development effort which this Government have made. The most graphic illustration is to be found in the operations of the IDA. Under this Government IDA plans have been implemented on an unprecedented scale. We have provided the resources that made it possible for the IDA to execute their plans. Since we came to power the annual allocation for industry under the public capital programme has more than doubled from £33 million in 1972-73 to £67 million in the current year. It is this Government's intention that expenditure on industry will continue to increase. In the period April, 1973 immediately after we took office, to December, 1974 a significant rise in the level of IDA grant approvals took place. The expenditure following on these approvals will fall to be met in this and succeeding financial years and it will be met. It will have top priority with us.

Not only have we made it possible for the IDA to implement their plans, but they have been implemented at a faster pace in the underdeveloped areas than anywhere else, notwithstanding Deputy Colley's tortuous allegations to the contrary. Under the plans job manufacturing targets for each of the regions were set for the period 1973-77. The IDA plans set out to locate in four less developed regions, Donegal, the north-west, the west and the midlands, one-fifth of new manufacturing jobs. The recent record of grant commitments shows that a much higher proportion, one-quarter or 14,000 jobs, has been won for these less developed regions. We have done better in two years than the IDA or our predecessors had ever expected could be done——

They were all negotiated in the Minister's time, of course?

They were not.

If not, what is the consequence?

Grant commitments take some time to be transformed into job creation but we have done much better than any of the forecasts suggested. In the last two years these four less developed regions gained over 58 per cent of the net national increase in jobs in manufacturing industry instead of the target of a mere 27 per cent that was there when we took office. In other words, the pace of creation of new jobs has been accelerated, particularly in the regions we are concerned to help under our greatly improved regional encouragement. We have operated substantially faster than had been intended.

Of course none of this happened by accident. The western region, and Mayo in particular, has gained and will gain markedly from these developments. For the first time there is now a sizeable industrial sector in the west. For instance, there are 480 manufacturing enterprises, large and small, in Mayo and Galway which employ 11,000 people. In the last two years the total number employed in manufacturing industry in these counties has increased by one-quarter, notwithstanding the world recession. Two of the biggest industrial plants recently attracted there, the Asahi and the Hollister projects, are to be located in Mayo. These are remarkable achievements which show to be true what the parties of the National Coalition believe and have always believed, namely, that it is possible to create a modern industrial structure in the west which supports but does not destroy its traditional social fabric.

The work done by the Minister for the Gaeltacht and by the late Parliamentary Secretary, Henry Kenny, in two years has far exceeded anything, even in Mayo alone, achieved by two Fianna Fáil Ministers in the area in a period of 16 years. This increased emphasis on the west is the greatest evidence possible that this Government are giving greater attention to the problems of the west than has ever before been the case. We did not have to go through the contortions indulged in by our predecessors of commissioning reports but doing little else. We simply got on with the job, leaving the ballyhoo to them.

Infrastructure is essential to the development of industry. Factories need water supply, sewerage, good communications facilities and houses for workers. In addition, schools, hospitals and so on have to be provided.

It is easy to show that the regional development effort has increased substantially since we took office. The money spent under the public capital programme for housing has more than trebled since 1972-73; that for sanitary services has increased by 64 per cent, and that for roads by 37 per cent. The underdeveloped regions have benefited substantially from these increases. In the present year the capital allocated to five underdeveloped regions—Donegal, north-west, west, mid-west—and midlands is £37 million, of which £24 million is for housing, more than £5 million for sanitary services and almost £8 million for roads. More than £7 million has been allocated to the west region alone—more than £4 million for housing, £1.3 million for sanitary services and £1.7 million for roads.

Some of the biggest sanitary services projects in the State are under way in these regions. For example, there is under way a big water supply scheme at Ballina-Killala. This is required primarily in connection with the Asahi development and will cost more than £2 million. Also there are water supply and sewerage schemes in Letterkenny which are programmed for completion this year at an estimated cost of more than £1 million. Both of these schemes are required because of the introduction to these areas of major new industrial projects.

The degree of the Government's commitment to the development of the west is shown by the recent announcement of the Minister for the Gaeltacht that we have decided in favour of the establishing, following full consultations with all the interests concerned, of a western development board. The Minister and the Taoiseach have both outlined the functions of the board.

Is the Minister in favour of growth centres?

These developments have taken the Opposition by surprise and have led them to make the charge that it was the Mayo by-election that induced the Government to announce their decision. However in March, 1971, Fine Gael drew up a policy document, entitled A Policy for People, which was concerned with the creation of jobs in industry throughout Ireland with special reference to the west and other underdeveloped areas. This document proposed that there would be created a development board, the efforts of which would be concentrated on the less developed parts of the country. Our colleagues in Government, the Labour Party, presented a report on western development to their annual conference in 1971 which said that the Labour Party would establish a regional development board for the west. The securing of a regional development policy for the west and other neglected underdeveloped regions was one of the 14 points of the Coalition manifesto. Therefore, before we were in Government we were totally committed to the implementation of a western development board.

On February 28th last I spoke in Westport and said that the Government were anxious to ensure only the best possible structures, operations and personnel practices in the development of the west. Do not let Fianna Fáil say they did not know that I spoke then because I was queried on the matter in this House by Deputy Gallagher and joining in the fun at that time were Deputies Haughey and Cunningham who supported Deputy Gallagher in these questions. They received satisfactory answers because they remained silent on the matter until we copper-fastened our policy with a formal decision issued by the Minister for the Gaeltacht. I said in my reply last April that the question of co-ordinating all aspects of western development was being considered in the broader context of the distribution of functions of Government at sub-national levels. This involves consultation and the Government are proceeding with these consultations. When the board come into being it will be seen as a more than satisfactory substitute for the multitude of organisations and agencies which are operating and overlapping in this area.

Will the Minister please spell out whether it is to be a substitute for these?

There is a serious need to streamline the agencies which are responsible for the development of western areas. It is because of the failure to streamline these operations in the past——

Is the Minister referring to county development teams?

—— that there has been so much confusion but we have not bothered commissioning more foreign eggheads to produce reports on this matter. We are getting on with the work and that will continue to be our policy.

We can be rightly proud of our record in regional development particularly in relation to the west. Our record is one of solid achievement. Our monument will live and will be providing sustainable employment and better conditions for the people of the less-developed regions when all the reports prepared by Fianna Fáil are turning yellow and are buried in the dust.

Are the Government in favour of growth centres?

Order. The Minister has five minutes left and he ought to be afforded this time.

We are confident that our policy will be endorsed by the people of the west. We want to ensure that the person who eats the meal knows as much about it as does the chef. We are confident that the people who are now enjoying the fruits of our actions will endorse our policy and allow us to continue it for many years to come.

The Minister could have availed of the few minutes remaining to him to spell out what is the Government's policy.

I have never before listened to a more dishonest election speech.

And the Deputy has heard quite a few.

Tonight the country must stand aghast at the effort of the man who, as Minister for Finance, is in charge of what should be our regional policy. The amount we are to get from the regional fund has been described by the Minister for the Gaeltacht as a miserable pittance. But the people were shocked to learn that the projects which are to benefit from the fund are none other than those started and completed by Fianna Fáil. The motion before the House reads:

That Dáil Éireann deplores the failure of the Government to formulate and implement a regional policy designed to stimulate the growth of the less developed parts of the country.

I come from a western seaboard constituency, but I can tell the Government that their blackguardly approach, based on the gullibility of the people of the west, will not be heeded. Such bluff as we have just listened to will not work. We want spelled out what we are to get. We want a programme. Donegal, for example, is not to benefit in any way from the project.

This motion is for the purpose of pressing the Minister into spelling out a policy. The Government have spent the money on projects started by us and the only excuse the Minister could give was that the fund is conditional on an equal amount of money being made available for extra work, work which, I take it, has not been planned and which would not ordinarily be carried out. What is to be work? This is the question to which this motions relates. What is to be done in lieu of the projects that are being supported now? This is the information that we want from the Minister, not talk of factories which, by the grace of God and the help of the IDA, are in existence. There are also a few advance factories which we built and financed in our time. These are referred to as projects. In Donegal, for instance, we hear of an advance factory in Ballyshannon benefiting from the regional fund but that factory has been in operation for almost two years. It was built by us and as a result, to a large extent, of the efforts on my part at the time. I defy contradiction on that.

This is what Fine Gael are going to take credit for. This is what is supposed to come under the heading of infrastructure development. When we come to the disadvantaged areas infrastructure we meet the Ballyshannon factory again. That firm opened there a year ago. Who does the Minister think he is codding in this misappropriation of funds?

It is not nonsense. Is Deputy McDonald denying the factory is already there?

Deputy Brennan should read the articles and read——

Order. Interruptions must cease.

I have read every one of the articles.

No more interruptions, please. They are most unwelcome. The time is limited.

How long have we?

Until half past seven.

The only excuse the Minister had to make was that this would release money for other projects. Will these be hit and miss? Will they be things like sewerage schemes and water supply schemes which councils have already planned and are seeking to finance out of astronomical rates? Is this the kind of bluff we are supposed to take? People along the western seaboard were disgusted when this list was published the other day. A water supply scheme for Letterkenny—that is regional development. That scheme was planned three-and-a-half years ago. If the present Government get away with that there is nothing they will not get away with. Road improvements between Ballyshannon and Donegal—that road was allocated a special grant every year since the railway closed 15 years ago. That grant was given to bring the road up to a reasonable standard. The money spent on it is now being taken into account by way of credit for the regional fund. I never knew such gross misrepresentation and misappropriation of money. The advance factory at Fintown to be built by Gaeltarra Éireann is a factory for which two sites were purchased. The first was not close enough to a Fine Gael man's house though it had been paid for.

That excellent site is still the property of Gaeltarra Éireann. Because of political pressure a second site was bought, a site which required three months' excavation.

We will put another factory on the other site.

This is regional development. We gave Gaeltarra Éireann a fair amount of funds in our time. We set up the Gweedore estate and when we were asked for subsidy we gave it. The idea was to establish industries in areas where private enterprise would not establish them. However, it was such an utter failure we passed an amending Act. Deputy Colley, as Minister for Finance, had an Act passed to enable private enterprise to go in and co-operate. Private enterprise always does a better job than a State-sponsored body does because that body is spending the taxpayer's money. Let the Minister put himself in the place of the man living on the side of a mountain in Donegal who heard about the regional fund and voted in favour of the EEC because he understood the fund would develop the west. There is an industrial estate in Gweedore with four factories and a fifth just beginning. It was established by us. The man reads the newspaper and discovers that the regional fund is for the industrial estate at Gweedore, an estate he has had for seven years. Does the Minister think he will gull the people of Donegal when he puts that kind of thing down as regional development? If he does he is making a grave mistake. That sort of thing will not work any more.

Go down the list. You see Killybegs sewerage scheme. Donegal County Council put years of planning and preparation into that. I think there were two modifications. That sewerage scheme would be there if we had never heard of the EEC, the Coalition Government or Gaeltarra Éireann. Fianna Fáil had a very good record where water supply and sewerage schemes were concerned in Donegal and we take a poor view of anyone trying to prove otherwise.

This Coalition Government stopped the amenities scheme programme, one of the best schemes we ever had. I never experienced such hypocrisy. Loughmorne water supply sceme: the contractor who had that scheme died of old age 20 years ago. It supplies five towns. Now it is being used as part of the EEC regional development. People were expecting a programme and a scheme of development over and above what had already been done or planned. They were expecting a proper infrastructure, a satisfactory telephone system, a system in which one would not have to wait two hours to contact Dublin or four years to get a telephone installed. They were expecting schools and colleges, amenities which would encourage people to come in and invest capital. This is a mockery of regional development. We have about 800 water supply schemes and about 200 sewage schemes and every single one has been done.

Up to this year we have done a fair number of them. Since when did they become regional development? This is a laugh. There is an absence of any policy good, bad or indifferent. That is what this motion is all about. The same applies to Mayo. We did not hear one single word about regional development until we had two by-elections in Galway. Then we began to get statements about regional development in the west. We heard about regional development, but not only for the west. Every place was being told about regional development. Everybody was to get something. The whole island was a depressed area. The two by-elections in Galway brought talk of development, but there has not been a word about it since. Now the emphasis is on Mayo. The scene of operations is to be Mayo. The Minister for Finance mentioned Mayo 20 times. Unless I am seriously mistaken, we have intelligent people in Mayo. They will not accept hypocrisy. They will not accept as regional policy schemes which were adopted three years ago, schemes which were established by the IDA, and not directed there, because the IDA will admit they do not direct projects to any particular area. The Minister tried to take credit for schemes which might as well have been in Clare or Donegal if the promoters had opted to go there.

The sooner we get a policy and a programme for regional development the better. We must get highways from Dublin which will serve these areas properly. The Minister for Local Government disgusted me today at Question Time. When we questioned him about the building of proper highways to the west, he said it was a matter for each county council and that the initiative now lies with each county council. That is on the record. In our time we were planning a programme whereby the central authority would plan and take over the building of real arteries from the centre of activity here, fanning out to each county in the west, and giving those people a line of communication over which they could properly haul exportable goods in the larger trucks which are now becoming the mode of conveyance since we have not got trains in most of the area. Instead of a planned programme like that, we are now told that it is up to each county council to do their bit and take a chance that they will link up. I never heard of such a lack of programme or policy in my life. Government speakers on this motion must spell out to the people of the west something definite, something credible, and something which will be acceptable to them, instead of giving them a litany of schemes which are already in operation.

What is the programme? Why is there not a programme? Why are projects for this area not outlined? What about harbour development? What about sea fishery development? What about the linking-up of proper sewerage and water systems? We should like to see a linkage of sources and supply so that no area could say there were not sufficient amenities for the establishment of a project. If any decent industry is to come to the west, the promoters must think of power, of the highways that lead to it, of the type of communications which are available. They must think of the facilities that are available for education. They must think of the hospitalisation facilities and all the amenities which are ordinarily available to any civilised community in an industrialised area. These are the things we want to see in a programme of development for the west, not a litany of grants given to projects which were planned and established years ago.

The Minister for the Gaeltacht has a reputation of being more sincere than the other Ministers in the Cabinet. I do not hold that against him. That would not be too difficult. He has a human face and I think he would try to do something without bluffing or pretending. I listened to the Minister for Finance. He is a decent type of person to talk to but, in all sincerity, I must say—and I mean it—I never listened to a more dishonest speech in this House in my life.

I never listened to a more irrelevant speech, speaking to a motion which calls for a policy and a programme. He spent most of his time telling us how useless we are. There was not one single word of a programme or policy, or one attempt to defend the things which have been listed here. The Government said to each county: "What have you done there?" We will use this money to support the old accounts which have been depleted by projects that blooming outfit, Fianna Fáil, planned in the past. We will take credit for the money now. I listened carefully to the Minister for Finance because this is the bread and butter and the life and soul of the western seaboard, including my own county. He said they were permitted to use the money for these projects—I speak subject to correction—if they could show that an equivalent amount over and above would be made available for future and further development. Where is the programme for that? That is what the motion is about. That is what we are here for. That is what the people of Mayo want to know. What is the planned programme for that money?

The Government can use the money for something we have already done, but what about the future? Any worthwhile Government have planned for years and years ahead. Some of the things we did in our last year were planned ten years before.

How then can you expect the Government to be able to evolve plans since last April when the regional fund was set up? You cannot have it both ways.

All the things the Government are now doing were planned before they took office. They are using the money for the things we planned. I defy contradiction on that. They used that money on things which were already planned and, in most cases, carried out.

The Deputy said it takes ten years to plan a programme so how can he expect the Government to evolve plans in a matter of months?

The Deputy should not misconstrue. I said we had planned ten years ahead. That is different. I did not say it takes ten years to plan. That is typical of the Government side of the House. I said we had planned ten years ahead at least. I did not say it takes ten years to plan a project. We had plans for ten years ahead. The Government have not got plans for a day ahead. They have not got plans for tomorrow. They do not know where they are going. They have no money because they will need any money they have to pay interest on borrowings which have the country on its knees.

Which Fianna Fáil left us with.

They will not be able to face the next budget and they might as well admit that openly. This is an occasion on which all sides of the House should be brought together. If we cannot find some means of rescuing the country from the plight into which it is plunging, we should all start to pray. There are no other means. There is no other plan. There is no other programme. There are no obvious means in sight. They have not even got a plan.

Fianna Fáil will have ten years to think about it.

The Government are still spinning out on the fat of those 16 years when we were in office. They are still using our plans in so far as they can. That is what they are living on. Do not tell us you have a programme. This motion is about policy. We want to see a blueprint of what the west will get. We want to see proper roadways. Can any Government stand up here and say they are satisfied with the situation as I find it in my constituency, as other Members find in Mayo and in every other constituency? There, there are hundreds of accommodation roads for which there is not a penny available to provide surfaces and allow a man with a donkey cart, never mind a tractor, to extract his turf from the bog.

Debate adjourned.
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