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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 26 May 1976

Vol. 291 No. 2

Private Members' Business. - Price Control: Motion (Resumed).

The following motion was moved by Deputy O'Malley on 26th May, 1976:
That Dáil Éireann condemns the Government's total failure to honour its own undertaking of February 1973 "to control and stabilise prices"; notes with deep concern the huge increase in the price of virtually every commodity since 1973; and deplores in particular the major contribution which the Government itself has made towards bringing about in Ireland the highest rate of inflation in Europe which is leading to the gradual destruction of our economy.
Debate resumed on the following amendment:
To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and substitute the following:
"approves the measures being taken by the Government to control the prices and charges for goods and services, and to subsidise the price of certain essential items."
—(Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Industry and Commerce.)

I was speaking yesterday evening pretty much to the Parliamentary Secretary's amendment asking the House to approve of the measures being taken by the Government to control prices. I was endeavouring to indicate that to my knowledge no practical steps had been taken at all to control prices, and since the adjournment I think that the most practical and objective way that I can spell this out in view of the popularity of the shopping basket technique as portrayed on radio and in the Press and otherwise is by putting my shopping basket on behalf of an old age pensioner, man or woman and on behalf of the non-contributory widow on the table of this House. I have had recourse to official documents and the comparative basket prices that I propose to use are taken from the National Prices Commission reports of March, 1973 and compared with the Monthly Report No. 49 for March, 1976. I will have to apologise if my allegedly up-to-date figures are in fact behind and lower than they actually are. I had in mind a male old age pensioner living on his own but it could almost equally apply, with some changes, to an old lady. The following are the figures:

March,

February,

1973

1976

¼ lb. tea

8p

14p

2 lb. sugar

10p

23p

3x2 lb. loaves for the week

37½p

54p

1 lb. butter

26p

42p

1 lb. Stork margarine

14p

25p

1 lb. marmalade

15p

28p

4 bales of briquettes

68p

108p

½ lb. rashers

26p

54p

1 lb. sausages

22p

40p

1 lb. round steak

60p

81p

1 doz. eggs

30p

50p

7 bottles of milk (one per day)

35p

56p

2 packets of cream crackers

14p

24p

1 head of cabbage

8p

14p

½ stone of potatoes

23p

61p

1 lb. rice

8p

16p

6-pack of Guinness

55p

104p

60 Carrolls No. 1

75p

120p

1 lb. tin of beans

8p

16p

1 lb. tin of peas

7½p

14p

1 bar of Palmolive toilet soap

7p

16p

1 packet of Drive

19p

36p

The end product is a shopping basket costing that man £10.06 leaving him with 19p change, as against the price in our time at £5.76, making an increase in the cost of his weekly shopping basket of 75 per cent. When Deputy O'Malley spoke in terms of a two-thirds increase I thought he was being generous and that is why I deliberately set out this shopping basket. The Parliamentary Secretary may be able to inform the Minister of what was in my shopping basket for the old age pensioner and if there is anything in that which he feels an old age pensioner does not require. The old age pension at the moment is £10.25 and he is spending £10.06 on what I have selected for him. That does not cover rent or the cost of replacement of bulbs and so on. He need not worry about the cost of rates or electricity because Fianna Fáil by their legislation when they were in office, gave free electricity to old age pensioners and the write off of the rates. He has no money for clothes or footwear. This is exactly the sort of material that the Minister went around the country with before 1973. We are competing with over-repeated lies and misrepresentation by the Government, but I have put this shopping basket on the records of this House and I challenge the Minister, because I have used his own prices, the prices from the National Prices Commission report, to challenge that shopping basket of £10.06 as against £5.76 when I was there.

We could say that the Opposition have an advantage in the political sense because it is true that there has been a great deal of inflation and prices have risen at very high rates. Presumably it is true that a political party can capitalise on this in attempting to create the impression among the population at large, that the price increases which have occurred were the responsibility of the Government and that the Government are to blame in some sense for what has happened. I suppose it is in the context of the forthcoming events in two weeks time that we are discussing this motion this evening. There are aspects of those prices to which we have to refer. The Deputy referred to the internal aspect of inflation and the extent to which we can within this country control the rate of inflation, but it is not that simple. Statistically, one presumes price increases from the agricultural sector are internal in the sense that we are not importing raw materials. Whilst statistically that may be the case it is quite obvious that since entering the EEC, especially in the line of increased agricultural prices, that is happening because of the external factors of involvement within the EEC and so, of course, there have been substantial increases in the agricultural sector and in food prices.

The Government's approach to this is on the record. Let us look at the percentage price increase we have had in the last two years. We have a record from February, 1973, until November, 1975. One of the striking aspects of the documentation concerned with various products here is that the rate of increase on many essential commodities has been greatly below the average percentage increase in the consumer price index, the average increase in prices and the average increase in the rate of inflation. That is proof of the effect of the subsidies the Government introduced on essential commodities.

If we look at certain prices tabulated by the Department of Industry and Commerce, making a comparison between February, 1973, and November, 1975, we see that, for example, flour per two kilos was in November 75.26p, an increase of 4½p or 21 per cent; round steak 60p to 69p per lb, an increase of 15 per cent; milk per pint 5p to 6½p, an increase of 30 per cent; bread per loaf 7½p to 10p, an increase of 2½p or 33 per cent; butter from 28p to 40p, an increase of 43 per cent. Many of those increases are significantly less than the overall price increase as a direct result of Government policy in subsidising essential foodstuffs.

Of course, we see staggering increases in other areas. We see an increase in margarines from 9p to 15p, an increase of 67 per cent. But it is obvious that the answer where margarine is concerned is that one is importing vegetable oil to produce it. Deputy Lalor referred to tea, which is a stock item in the Irish diet and has been discussed politically for many years. The rate of increase is high, at about 69 per cent. Of course, the reason simply is that tea is an imported commodity. Of course it is. I see Deputy Lalor smiling. Indeed, some people in the tea business would tell one that they are entitled to higher margins. Baked beans are an imported commodity. Cornflakes rose from 13p to 21p, an increase of 62 per cent. To what extent can an Irish Government control the price of cornflakes, the price of baked beans or of margarine with a base of vegetable oil for the benefit of Irish consumers? Presumably if Irish consumers want to consume substantial quantities of imported commodities in this area, then the price has to be paid for that type of thing by paying a much higher rate of increase than is the case of the essential commodities to which I referred.

Let me refer to essential commodities and the movement in prices within the last 12 months. There have been price reductions in certain important areas in so far as a proportion of a household budget is concerned. The maximum price for milk on the 1st April, 1975 was 8p; the maximum price on the 24th May, 1976 was 7p, a decrease of 12.5 per cent; butter 47p, in 1975; 48p, plus 2.1 per cent; flour, plain white per kilo, 22½p a year ago, 18½p now, a reduction of 17.8 per cent; bread 21p down to 18p, from 20p to 16p, percentage reductions of 4.3 and 20. Those are essential foodstuffs.

If we look at the imported content in prices, in the extent to which the Irish consumer uses those imported prices, and the extent to which some traders are not pushing Irish produce as much as they should, the startling deterioration in the value of sterling —for which I trust the Opposition do not blame the present Government— has had a dramatic effect on the cost of imports. It is in context to mention this question of devaluation and its effect on commodity prices because it relates directly to all imported commodities from areas of strong currencies. We see that in January, 1973, the US dollar versus the £ sterling was 2.349; now it is 1.80, a depreciation in the value of the £ against the dollar of 23 per cent. The Canadian dollar depreciated at the rate of 24.4 per cent. The Dutch guilder deteriorated to the extent of 34.9 per cent. The Belgian franc deteriorated to the extent of 31.2 per cent. The Danish kroner deteriorated to the extent of 32 per cent, 38 per cent against the German mark, 49 per cent against the Swiss franc, 23 per cent against the yen, 29 per cent against the French franc. Apparently the only currency in the developed world in which we had a satisfactory position is that against the Italian lira which is not something on which we should compliment ourselves at present in the light of the problems facing the Italian economy.

That gives one an indication of the magnitude of the appalling problems the Government are facing in the prices sector. They are compounded by the fact that in many cases in the trading community—and I regret to have to say this—where Irish products could be sold in Irish shops and bought by Irish people a sufficient effort is not being made to convince Irish people that they should buy Irish products. That is an area in which we could have a much higher level of consciousness as a community, because in many areas the products are there to be purchased if there was more of a sense of patriotism—to put it basically— among the public and, additionally, if in the trading sector there was an attempt made to push Irish products to a greater extent than is being done at present. Indeed, one can notice in some stores in the city the extent to which our merchandise is on offer.

All of this has an effect when we talk about prices, inflation and price increases. The Government have done what they can do. The prices commission are there. Both Government and Opposition subscribe to the view that the prices commission are doing a reasonable job. They cannot squeeze too much because if they do it would lead to bankruptcies in services and certain manufacturing sectors. Profitability is needed for development, for investment and for the continuation of employment in those sectors. The Government have introduced what is called a price line which is further protection for the consumer through which, if there are complaints, they can be telephoned in very quickly, investigated quickly and under which prosecutions have been carried out fairly quickly.

I think it was Deputy O'Malley who referred to the Government's policy of wrecking the economy. It is in context to refer to the recent speech of the Minister for Industry and Commerce who is in the House. He referred to the fact that despite the gloom in certain circles Irish exports exceeded £1.5 billion per annum for the first time ever in the 12 months ended 30th April, 1976. The total value of exports reached a record-breaking level of £1,520 million, exceeding the April, 1975 figure of £1,200 million by over £300 million. This is in excess of the rate of inflation and encouraging to the basic stability of the country. The achievement represented a 15 per cent increase in the value of our exports in a period of under two years and represents a per capita export figure of about £500.

Therefore, the startling suggestions of Opposition spokesmen that our economy is on the verge of bankruptcy, that there are severe problems facing us which we cannot control are quite misplaced and at variance with the facts of the situation. It is true, despite the criticism at present being levelled—especially regarding economic affairs—that the incentives which exist here at present are unparalleled in comparison with any other country in the western world, in terms of incentives to industry, in the grant sector, in the taxation sector, in the range of services through the IIRS, through CTT, the IDA and the employment premium operated by the Department of Labour. Of course, we are not having the level of growth we want and which is necessary for our people. That is influenced by factors outside these shores. Firstly, it has been influenced by the fact that it has been difficult to get exports up as quickly as we can where there has not been buoyancy in the market place. It has been extremely difficult to get investment going here again in circumstances where the world economy was depressed. But there is a great opportunity at present in that sector—obviously because of this factor of devaluation which works against us so much where imports are concerned—which should work tremendously to our advantage in the export field.

If we refer to consumer subsidies— because it is important to mention this—the June, 1975 budget subsidised the price of bread by 5½p per loaf; household flour by 4½p per kilo; the price of butter by 10p per lb; the price of milk by 2p per pint; reduced the price of town gas by 12½p per cent and increased the subsidy to CIE. The estimated cost of these measures for a full year was approximately £46 million.

Therefore, putting the budget into perspective and the increase in indirect taxation, for example, in the drinks sector, or in the cigarettes, tobacco or petrol sectors—if one looks to the development of this country and to some attempt by the Government to keep essential commodities at a certain level which can be afforded by people and, at the same time, having certain other items at a more expensive pitch to pay for those—that is exactly how the book was balanced in that sector. I suggest it is a fairly wise method of administration having regard to the difficulties we have experienced.

Looking at world markets, at the price of commodities and what has been happening to commodities on world markets to put prices into perspective—because of the extremely high proportion of import content in the purchasing of goods and of household commodities in the country—the price of copper went up by 100 per cent from January, 1972 to May, 1976. In the same period the price of tin went up by 191 per cent, aluminium by 77 per cent, nickel by 119 per cent, lead 176 per cent, zinc 160 per cent and wool 175 per cent. These are the basic commodities which comprise much of the raw materials used in a wide range of articles purchased.

We see the astronomical increase in prices and we have this staggering devaluation figure as well. There has been an increase in the price of cotton over the same period of 147 per cent. Rubber per kilo has gone up by 253 per cent, ground nuts by 95 per cent, soft wood 150 per cent, hide and skins 133 per cent and wood pulp by 207 per cent. Against this background the National Coalition Government are expected to wave a magic wand in isolation to the rest of the world and contain price increases at a level that is completely unrealistic, expected to import articles at prices cheaper than their price and encourage Irish manufacturers to sell goods at less than their cost and Irish wholesalers and retailers to sell at less than adequate margins. It is an impossible position. I believe the Opposition realise this and also realise the severe limitations there are.

It was fascinating to listen to Deputy Staunton, even though his time was curtailed, and to remember what he and his colleagues, not least, the Minister for Industry and Commerce who carries the responsibility in this area, were saying when they were in Opposition and in particular what they were saying during the course of the last general election and to compare the statements today with those statements. The major case made by Deputy Staunton was that so many things are imported, that we cannot control the price of them and that it was quite unfair to suggest that the Government had any responsibility in this area. He spoke about tea, vegetable oil and margarine. I must confess the thought occurred to me that perhaps Deputy Staunton believed that up to February, 1973 we grew all our requirements of tea in this country and produced all our requirements of vegetable oil for margarine. I do not think he really believes that. It is simply a question of Deputy Staunton valiantly trying to do his best in the face of an impossible situation.

This motion in the name of Deputy O'Malley basically contains three parts and I propose to deal with each of them. The first part states: "condemns the Government's total failure to honour its own undertaking of February, 1973 to control and stabilise prices". The second part "notes with deep concern the huge increase in the price of virtually every commodity since 1973". The third part "deplores in particular the major contribution which the Government itself has made towards bringing about in Ireland the highest rate of inflation in Europe which is leading to the gradual destruction of our economy".

With regard to the first part, the total failure of the Government to honour their undertaking of February, 1973, to control and stabilise prices the Parliamentary Secretary spoke in this debate yesterday. Unfortunately I did not have the pleasure of being here to listen to him but I read reports of his speech. As far as I can understand it he made a very fine distinction between the aim that was involved and the promise. He said that what the Coalition were saying to the people in 1973 during the course of the general election was: "It is our aim to stabilise prices but we are not promising to stabilise prices".

Is there any Government which would have as their aim to increase prices? I wonder what the people of Dublin South-West and Donegal NorthEast will think now when it is explained to them, as no doubt it will be by the honest politicians in the Coalition, that they did not really tell them: "We are promising to stabilise prices" or "We are promising to halt the price rises", which the Parliamentary Secretary may remember was a heading of one of the infamous 14 points. That was not a promise according to the Parliamentary Secretary. If it was not, it was so heavily disguised that the people believed it was. I do not believe there is anybody who would disagree with the first portion of this motion which condems the Government's total failure to honour their own undertaking of February, 1973 to control and stabilise prices.

The only man with a promise to control prices was Joe Stalin.

The Parliamentary Secretary may recall that some such sentiments were expressed prior to the election of 1973 by people who knew what the score was but they did not include the Parliamentary Secretary, the Minister for Industry and Commerce or Deputy Staunton. I am speaking of the present occupants of those positions. There was a complete romp throughout the country by Deputies opposite pretending they could and would control prices, stabilise prices and halt the price rises, to use their own words.

What has happened? We find that the latest recorded figure for the consumer price index for mid-February is the second highest ever recorded in our history. It is certainly one of the highest at 7.3 per cent. We also find, on the basis of a recent OECD publication, that so far this year we have had the highest inflation rate of any developed country in the world. Yet, the Minister for Industry and Commerce, judging by his intervention while Deputy Lalor was speaking feels that to refer to this is a by-election gimmick. No doubt he thought in those terms when he was in Opposition. One would have hoped that by now, with his experience in office of dealing with these problems, he would realise just how serious the consequences are of the promises he made and his failure, in particular, and that of the Government in general, to implement those promises, that there is a great deal more involved in those matters than a by-election gimmick. I freely confess that as far as I or any member of this Party can bring this about we will endeavour to ensure that the people who will vote in these by-elections will have brought to their attention what was said by the Government in February, 1973, and what has happened since.

Deputy Lalor gave a number of examples of prices. I will not go over them again, but the Minister for Industry and Commerce had not arrived when he gave them, and he might like to have his memory refreshed. Deputy Lalor was working on the basis of figures up to February or March, but I have figures up to May of this year in respect of certain foodstuffs. In February, 1973, bread was 13.1p, now it is 18p; butter was 27.8p and is now 48p; cheese was 26.4p and is now 72p; eggs were 29.6p per dozen and are now 50p; and sugar was 10.6p for two lbs and now 23.5p. We all know about potatoes. Incidentally, the increase in the price of potatoes was the major item in the increase in the cost of living in the quarter prior to the general election of 1973. I thought the Parliamentary Secretary might have to recall that. I have just given these few examples of what happened to the price of some foodstuffs under this Government which was to control and stabilise prices.

There are other items besides foodstuffs. I would like to mention some items in which the price between 1973 and 1976 has doubled, or more than doubled and in one case has almost doubled. The pint went from 19p in 1973 to 38p this year. Bus fares from Ballyfermot, Inchicore, Bluebell, Drimnagh and Walkinstown into the centre of Dublin in 1973 were 8p, and now they are 16p. Petrol was then 36p a gallon and is now 88.3p. Road tax on a ten horsepower car went from £26 to £50. Gas per therm went from 19p to 38.64p. Letter postage went from 4p to 9p per letter. Cigarettes went from 29p to 49p for a packet of 20 untipped. I do not think anybody can dispute the facts referred to in the first part of Deputy O'Malley's motion that there has been a gross failure by the Government to honour their undertaking and there has been an inordinate increase in the price of virtually every commodity.

We are, of course, concerned with this enormous price rise. Everybody must be concerned with it, apart from the gross dishonouring of what was probably the major promise by the Coalition in the last general election. This Government is one of the best Governments, if not the best, we have ever had in the field of excuses. Of all their performers in that field, I do not think anybody could compete with the Minister for Industry and Commerce. He has frequently and at considerable length told us about the difficulties involved, but in particular about the difficulties arising from the energy crisis and world recession.

We are led to believe that there is absolutely nothing this Government can do, or could have done, in regard to the increase in prices. Indeed, it has been suggested that this Government, by inordinate borrowing, have cushioned us from the worst effects, by way of inflation and unemployment, of the oil crisis and the recession. It is suggested from time to time that if we were in office things would have been much worse because we would not have borrowed so much. I do not want to develop that theme at great length, but since this is the major defence we hear from the Coalition, we ought to have a closer look at it.

In this connection there is a most interesting article in the Economic Review of the Confederation of Irish Industry, No. 1 of 1976. It contains a short article, with tables attached, written by Dr. Brendan Menton, until quite recently one of the senior economic advisers in the Department of Finance. It is entitled “Irish Economic Performance Since the Oil Crisis”. I do not know whether the Minister has had an opportunity to read this article but if he has not I recommend he read it carefully. I would like to refer to one or two matters that appear in it.

Some tables were constructed to try to throw some light on the issue of whether all that is required to reverse the situation in which we find ourselves is a satisfactory upturn in world trade. For this purpose, certain indicators were taken for 20 OECD countries. Indicators used are, first, the difference between actual GNP growth and average GNP growth during the 1960's; second, the difference between actual inflation and average inflation during the 1960s; third, the change in the foreign balance from 1973 as a percentage of GNP; and fourth, the change in unemployment since 1973 as a percentage of the labour force.

What emerges is that the rankings of the countries on the four indicators are worked out. In every case in which the indicator was worked out, of the 20 countries Ireland ranked last in 1975 and 1976, and in the overall performance over the whole period. The only place in which we did not rank last was in 1974; there we ranked second last. The greatest contributors to this poor showing by Ireland were the disimprovement in inflation and in unemployment since 1973. I would like to quote from the article on pages 62-63 of the Economic Review of the Confederation of Irish Industry, No. 1 of 1976:

...Ireland had the worst economic performance of any of the countries studied despite the fact that it was not one of those countries most open to the adverse effects of the oil crisis (as estimated by the OECD). Nor is there any suggestion in the results that either the size or dependence of foreign trade of the countries examined made them particularly vulnerable to the crisis.

The message is clear enough. Not all the blame for our current economic situation can be ascribed to the oil crisis and the world recession. Poor economic management is the other obvious contributory factor.

That is an article written by a man who, up to recently, was the senior economic adviser in the Department of Finance. The figures and tables on which that conclusion is based are contained in that booklet and they make extremely interesting reading. They also demolish the case that has been made time after time by the Minister for Industry and Commerce and his colleagues to justify, or attempt to justify, their inept and incompetent performance in the field of prices and inflation and in the field of economic management generally because it is almost impossible to separate economic management from prices and inflation.

That brings us to the third part of this motion which is the Government's own contribution to this appalling rate of inflation. The motion described it as the highest in Europe but, as I have said, a recent publication of the OECD shows that it is the highest of any developed country in the world. I say it brings us to that because the contribution made by the Government to inflation is intimately connected with their unbelievably poor attempts at managing the economy.

The facts are that in every budget introduced by this Government, except that of June, 1975, about which I will speak in a moment, substantial increases in taxation were imposed. Outside of those budgets very substantial increases in prices were imposed or sanctioned and in the case of petrol a very substantial increased tax was imposed. In all the areas directly under the control of the Government there have been inordinate increases in prices and I have mentioned some of them. There were the postal charges, the telephone charges, the increased cost of TV licences, increases in bus fares and the contribution to social welfare by workers and employers. All of these matters are directly controlled by the Government. When we look at what has happened there we find that in almost all of the cases the increase involved under this Government has been greater than almost any other increase attributable, say, to the private sector, whether the portion of the private sector involved was affected to a greater or lesser degree by imported inflation.

Of course, this was a consequence of the Government's whole approach to the management of the economy and to the problems that beset the economy. The problems are always there but they were considerably aggravated by the energy crisis and the recession in world trade. No speaker on behalf of Fianna Fáil has ever attempted to suggest that there were not large-scale problems arising from those factors. What we have said was, first, that before there was any energy crisis things started to go wrong and that almost all the economic indicators showed a down-turn from the middle of 1973. Furthermore, when the energy crisis and the world recession occurred, the performance of the Government in dealing with them was inept and incompetent. Figures given in the article by Dr. Brendan Menton prove that beyond yea or nay. As compared with any of the other countries with which one would think of comparing our performance, we come out worst. That is not a coincidence.

In this debate I think it right to concentrate on what the Government did in regard to price increases in relation to their effect on the economy generally. Here we come to something I have never been able to understand. I have sought explanations from different members of the Government but no rational explanation was forthcoming and I doubt if any rational explanation can be given. The following is just a limited example and, with more time, it could be expanded considerably.

In January, 1975, the Government introduced a budget. By itself the budget was responsible for increasing the cost of living by 4 percentage points. They did this despite the fact that for some months previously we had been urging strongly that instead they should reduce the consumer price index or at least hold down the increase in the index by subsidies and changes in VAT rates. They did not listen and introduced a budget that increased the cost of living by 4 percentage points. They did this on the eve of negotiations for a national pay agreement knowing that they were about to take place and the inevitable happened. By the way, it is not as though all of this were something new to the Government. We told them at the time that the national pay agreement was coming up and we told them what the effect of what they were doing would have. The national pay agreement was negotiated on the basis of that additional increase in the cost of living.

In June, 1975, the Government introduced a budget in which they did what we advocated. However, the effect was to bring us back to square one, to bring down the cost of living by 4 percentage points. If they did it the first time, the overall increase would have been 4 percentage points down instead of which it was 4 percentage points up and this need not have happened. That was carried right through the national pay agreement, not just for the public service where it was enormous but right through the private sector. In January, 1976, we got a budget which increased the consumer price index by approximately 5 percentage points, again, just in advance of negotiations on a national pay agreement. I cannot give a rational explanation for this and I have heard none from any member of the Government. It is so totally irrational that it defies any explanation but what it adds up to is either gross ignorance or gross incompetence in the handling of our economy and, in particular, in the handling of the effect of price increases on our economy and on pay and incomes.

If nothing else had happened it alone would be sufficient justification for this motion in the name of Deputy O'Malley which condemns the Government's total failure to honour their own undertakings of February, 1973, and is also deploring the major contribution of the Government to our appalling inflation rate, so much worse than our competitors who have been facing the same problems as we have been facing, some have even greater problems, arising out of the energy crisis and the recession in trade in the world in general. I believe the amendment in the name of the Parliamentary Secretary is only a joke. We are being asked to approve the measures taken by the Government to control prices and charges for goods and services. I believe I could be forgiven for saying in terms of what the Minister for Industry and Commerce was saying in early 1973, what control of prices, what control of the charge for services? As regards the subsidies on certain essential items we asked the Government to do that long before they did it and they did not do it when they should have done it. When they brought in the subsidies they were simply bringing back the position to what it was, creating an unnecessary expense for the whole economy. All of this adds up to ample justification for this House to condemn roundly the incompetence and ineptitude of the Government in their handling of price control and all that goes into that which is very complex.

It is necessary to start off by setting the record straight in what purports to be a factual statement in Deputy O'Malley's motion. The crucial gravamen of it is that as a result of Government action the rate of inflation is now the highest in Europe and that it is leading to the gradual disruption of our economy. The statement that the rate of inflation is the highest in Europe is capable of verification or of disproof. If it is true, of course, it is very serious and damaging but if it is not true— it is put down in the name of the largest political party in this House with, presumably, as many Members as are available to vote for something which is not true and extremely damaging—that is much more serious. We can try to find out whether the statement is true or not by reference to sources other than Irish sources. I am not going to give airy references; I am going to quote the publication, the date and the page because this is a serious issue and it deserves to be treated, by election times notwithstanding, in serious terms.

The place I am referring to to find out about Europe's inflation rate is the publication of the OECD which comes out monthly and is called Main Economic Indicators. I should like, first, to refer to the most recent such publication available, the issue of May, 1976, which officials of my Department dated 25th May. I want to make a comparison from that about, firstly, the inflation rate since 1970 in the UK and in Ireland and then I want to give the table of inflation rates which is the most recent one we possess. I propose then to give it for 1973 and to discuss the change in Ireland's place in the inflationary table since 1973, specifically since February, 1973, because I believe that is relevant. What emerges is that the inflation rate—taking 1970 as 100— in February, 1973, in the UK had gone from 100 to 123 and in Ireland, taking 1970 as the base year, it had gone to 126. Over that three years Ireland was inflating faster. We will talk in a moment about the highest inflation rate in Europe in that context. The increase between February, 1973, and February, 1976, which is the most recent time for which we have figures in Ireland, extremely serious as it was here in that period, was an increase of 63.7 per cent while the increase over the same period in the United Kingdom, for identical dates, was 66.6 per cent.

The conclusion from those figures, If I may turn aside for a moment from the statistics and draw a conclusion, is that in the period 1970 to 1973 we were inflating faster than the UK but in the period 1973 to 1976 we were inflating slower than the UK. We can be more precise than that. I want to refer now to the Main Economic Indicators for April, 1973, to page 27 of that publication and the table at the bottom of that page for consumer prices. The most recent column of figures is for February, 1973. The countries given are the appropriate OECD countries for that time, among which is Ireland. In the column for February, 1973, there are two countries—I give this to the Opposition—inflating faster than Ireland at that time, Iceland, which has a very peculiar economy and always has extraordinary figures, and Turkey, which is not a European country in the ordinary sense. Of the rest in February, 1973, we were the fastest then at the end of a period of 16 years and the difference between the British rate then and the Irish rate was that the British were 2.1 per cent less than us; they were 7.9 and we were 10 per cent. They were a lot lower than us. We were the fastest in Europe in February, 1973.

But the Minister promised to control inflation, a promise which has not been fulfilled.

The Minister must be allowed his time.

I should like to indicate some other figures for the period since then. In the period February, 1974, to February, 1976, the increase of all items in Ireland was 43.7 per cent while the increase of all items in the UK was 47.3 per cent. Again taking another period, going up to the most recent time for which we have figures, UK inflation passed ours.

I spoke about the league table a minute ago, as to where inflation was fastest in February, 1973. Let us now take it from the same source, the Main Economic Indicators of May, 1976, the most recent OECD publication we have. The fastest in Europe is still Iceland but we have dropped from being after Iceland. We have been overtaken by Portugal at 22.8—that is for the 12 months rate of change—by the United Kingdom at 21.2. New Zealand is not included. We have been overtaken by Finland at 16.3. We are down to 16.1. When we came into office we were 2.1 per cent faster than Britain and the fastest in Europe then. Now we are 4.1 per cent slower than the UK and we have been overtaken by a number of countries.

How does one take seriously criticism from people who apparently do not know that? They do not know that at the end of their period we were the fastest, that we are not now and that our place in the rank has improved. They are foolish enough, in the formulation of a resolution, to attribute to us something that was true in their time and which we inherited and which is not now true. This is serious. One does not know whether something as foolish as that is due to incompetence or dishonesty and, if one surmises both, it is impossible to work out the mix. If it were the case in 1973 and is not now the case, how can the second half of the proposition be true? It was true then after 16 years of the Opposition in government and it is not true now: yet, it is alleged to be due to our action. There was a profound neglect of the inflation situation. I was interested to hear Deputy Lalor refer to his time because, not alone did he not do anything about it, but he did not seem to know about it, did not seem to remember, or, perhaps, he did not know when he was there three years ago. He certainly did not know now.

But has baby food not increased 100 per cent?

The Minister must be allowed to make his speech. Interruptions are disorderly.

A fine point, when the Deputy does not want to hear the facts.

The Minister does not want to be shown up.

The Deputy must cease interrupting.

I am proving that the relative performance in the Deputy's time was worse than the relative performance in our time. What we were accused of doing is not true of us but it is true of their time.

The living standards of the people have been eroded by the economic chaos caused by the Government.

The Deputy must cease interrupting.

He is afraid to listen to the facts of the situation.

Not at all; the thing is comic opera.

It is certainly comic opera when people accuse their adversaries of doing things for which they themselves are responsible. That reaches a level of pseudo-debate that becomes ridiculous.

The Minister does not convince me.

Speakers are entitled to be heard in silence.

As Deputy Colley truly said, every country is embarrassed by inflation and keeps prices down as much as possible. No government likes to see them rise. I thought Deputy Colley did a reasonable thing in making international comparisons. I am pushing on with international comparisons and saying that compared with other comparable countries that are also doing their best—and in times like these their best and our best are not very satisfactory—are, in a number of cases doing less well than we are and have overtaken us and displaced us from first place in the European league table where the Opposition had us in easy times. We are not now in first place, although we were then.

You will have to work for re-election——

We had all this in Mayo.

The Chair has already asked Deputy Andrews to desist from interrupting.

What is so interesting is that having got the facts basically wrong about the relative inflation performance and apparently not knowing or caring to find out what the situation was when the Government changed, we have projections of an extremely damaging kind from Deputy O'Malley. In the period 1970-1973, and I could give the figure for 1963-1973 if that helps to nail it down more, we were inflating faster than the UK. In the period since then, due to the actions of this Government which people are so pleased to deride, we have been inflating slower than the UK and the UK is the most important country because it represents half our trade and it is close to us. With their performance over their period in office and by us in our period, suddenly, to be helpful, Deputy O'Malley decides that the projection for the coming year is that we are going to inflate twice as fast as the UK. I do not take seriously as being researched—I think it is trivial—what he had to say but it is valuable in two ways, as expressing an attitude of mind on the part of the Opposition and as having an effect on the economy.

The attitude of mind is quite clear: if at extremely difficult times when people are working to the limit of their strength to keep exports going out and to keep investment funds coming in, if the largest party in the country say that the Government have brought about the highest inflation rate in Europe it is extremely damaging although, of course, it is not true. Why would one invent something that is demonstrably untrue? With regret, I say there is only the classic explanation of the dog in the manger: the Opposition is not now governing and a small number of its irresponsible members, who are unfortunately in important spokesmanships, are apparently determined to do the greatest damage they can in the belief——

You are doing it for us. Look at the country—ruined. This is coming from you.

This is a piece of damage done in the hope——

Will you give jobs to 120,000 people?

The Minister listened to the spokesmen from the Opposition. They should now listen to him.

This is deliberate damage——

You would think you were living in paradise, to listen to him.

——for the sake of the wreckage it can produce. It is the dog in the manger: "We cannot run it and so we want to smash it". It is neurotic distortion of reality.

On a point of order, as I understand it, Deputy O'Malley's resolution states——

What is the point of order? Unless the Deputy has a point of order, he is wasting the Minister's time.

The Minister is attempting to twist Deputy O'Malley's——

That is not a point of order.

The point of order is that Deputy O'Malley's motion reads: "...to control and stabilise prices". The Minister has not adverted to this.

That is not a point of order.

It is a point of information.

That is not a point of order and the Deputy knows this well. It wastes the Minister's time and his time is limited.

I want to pass on to the other part of the sentence, to analyse the results of the attribution of the highest rate of inflation in Europe to us which, says Deputy O'Malley, is leading to the gradual destruction of the economy. There are two statements there, first, that Ireland has the highest rate of inflation in Europe. This is not true; it was true a little over three years ago but it is not true now and it is very damaging.

Then he says it is leading to the gradual destruction of the economy and, of course, to have someone with his experience alleging that the economy is being destroyed, is also very damaging.

Leaving aside the bye-election pressures, and leaving aside what the Opposition think of the Government, there are a large number of people involved in keeping the economy going. I do not want to spend time repeating details of economic performance—reference has been made to some of them—but a few days ago we did have the pleasure of referring to the export performance: one-and-a-half billion pounds, 50 per cent increase in under two years, 10 per cent volume increase in the same period, much more per capita exports than the UK, a trend better in Ireland in regard to these exports than in any comparable countries. The Opposition may hate comparisons with comparable countries, but it is a fair thing to do. To say, in that context, that there is a gradual destruction of the economy is unfair and damaging to the people doing that.

It must be obvious at a time like this that there are two things that are supremely important, one is to keep exports moving out and the other is to keep investment at the level it is and, hopefully, going up. Actions which, for the sake of party political advantage, damage those things are of course foolish and dog-in-the-manger. They are also, I think, profoundly unpatriotic at a difficult time.

This is a broader motion than simply a question of the consumer price index. It relates to the management of the economy and in the Dáil comment by Denis Coughlan in today's Irish Times there is a very interesting summing up of almost everything the Opposition say:

The time hallowed right of the Opposition to change economic horses in mid-stream was availed of by Fianna Fáil in the Dáil yesterday as Deputies complained of the amount of public borrowing while advocating more aids to industry, agriculture and social services.

This is the classic dilemma in the assault of the Opposition which in these difficult times really cuts very little ice because what they say continuously is: "Spend more but tax less". Elastic pounds, smaller when you collect them, bigger when you distribute them. But pounds are the same size when you collect them and when you distribute them. You cannot stretch them. It is not the quality of the pound to be like that. It is the same size each time.

I was interested in the list of strictures of Deputy Colley in regard to price increases in those areas the Government control. He mentioned postal charges, telephone charges, TV licences, bus fares, social welfare contributions. Now the choice there is to subvent more public money to subsidise these things, or to have economic price structures, or a mixture of both. If you want to keep down price rises you can, of course, dismiss a lot of people. Is Deputy Colley assaulting the efficiency of all of those structures, CIE, RTE, the Department of Posts and Telegraphs, built up over the years when the Opposition were in Government? Which way do you do it? Do you want to spend more?

Deputy Colley said if Fianna Fáil had been in office they would not have borrowed so much. Why? If they had not borrowed as much how would they have avoided passing on those price increases? If you are not going to borrow as much then you cannot subvent and, therefore, you have to let economic prices come through. That is an inescapable dilemma. If you want to spend more you must tax more or borrow more. If you are not prepared to tax more or borrow more you cannot spend more and it is the failure to resolve that problem that has made the Opposition's economic attack continuously ridiculous.

We have heard a speech that, perhaps, if we were not present, we might not have believed could have been made.

Hear, hear.

I suppose in the circumstances, when trying to defend an indefensible position, there is no alternative open to the gentleman who presently holds the office of Minister for Industry and Commerce to do anything but what he did, a kind of sneering personal attack on individual members of the Opposition because they did not twist the figures that he quotes out of all kinds of learned journals in the sort of way that he twisted them.

Because the Opposition did twist them—that is what I was attacking.

Iceland has a higher rate of inflation than we have. I do not care twopence what rate of inflation it has. It is in the middle of a cod war and Portugal has been in the middle of a revolution for the past two years. I am talking here, and the Minister knows it perfectly well, about the European Economic Community and the situation we are in today vis-à-vis that.

We were higher than all of them in 1973.

I am talking about this year and the fact that our inflation rate is projected at a minimum of 20 per cent. If the first quarter's rate of this year of 7.3 per cent is repeated for the rest of the year we will have an inflation rate of 30 per cent, and not the 20 per cent I have been projecting, and I think I was generous in projecting 20 per cent.

Very noble of the Deputy.

The rate projected in Britain for 1976 is between 10 per cent and 12 per cent at the very outside and that is the situation in which we are facing the future. Our biggest market and our biggest competitor in markets has an inflation rate approximately half what ours is. Having listened to this tortuous exercise that has gone on here for 20 or 25 minutes about inflation rates in Europe in 1973 by comparison with the rates in other countries one would think——

1973 obviously embarrasses the Deputy.

——that we were living in a paradise. What about the woman who has to go into the shop with her shopping bag? There is the Minister's answer. She is not interested in twisted figures out of EEC reports. That is the Minister's answer. We had a long list earlier this evening from Deputy Lalor of prices as they were in 1973 and as they are today and virtually every one is twice what it was then. That is what this motion is about. That is what matters and that is what is strangling this country today. The fact is people just do not know where to turn. That is what matters and not economists trying to twist figures.

Then the Opposition should not have done it.

Order. Deputy O'Malley.

I am accused by the Minister when I point out the fact that our inflation rate is so high of being unpatriotic. I am supposed to sit here mute. Opposition Deputies are supposed to sit here mute. The people are supposed to sit mute and say nothing about what has been going on over the past three years. We are supposed to do that in the name or in the cause of patriotism.

Just tell the truth.

Patriotism at this moment in this country above all else needs the telling of the truth about the situation that surrounds us in every part of the country. The most practical expression of patriotism and the salvation of this country will be the removal from those benches there of the men who have the country in the situation in which it is today.

Great stuff!

What about the 120,000 people registered as unemployed apart from the 30,000 or 40,000 not registered but still unemployed?

What are their prospects? I suppose it is unpatriotic to refer to things like this because they are supposed to be living in paradise here at the moment under the benevolent economic leadership of Deputy Justin Keating, Minister for Industry and Commerce. It is well known that he is feeling the heat so much in the political life of this country at present that he is now canvassing actively among his own colleagues in the Government to see if he might be removed on 1st January next to the commissionership in the EEC.

The Deputy should keep to the motion.

A consummation devoutly to be wished.

Devoutly to be wished for us maybe, but God help Europe. If he did this to three million people, what will he do to 250 million?

The Deputy was deploring personal attacks a while ago.

We had nothing but this sort of twiddling around with figures by the Minister for Industry and Commerce, and we are very honoured that he came in at all because he has nothing to do with prices; he pushed it over to Deputy Bruton who spoke yesterday. I took notes of what he had to say last night and you would nearly feel embarrassed referring back to them. The motion which is proposed to be substituted for the motion which is in my name reads:

That Dáil Éireann approves the measures being taken by the Government to control the prices and charges for goods and services, and to subsidise the price of certain essential items.

"Approves the measures being taken". Since 1973, when Deputy Lalor left the Department of Industry and Commerce, there has not been one line of legislation in relation to this matter. You would think prices were not a problem at all and that the legislation that was passed back in the sixties and early seventies, when inflation was a minor problem in this country, was quite adequate to deal with the situation today. For the first time in the three years and two months they are there we were told by the Parliamentary Secretary last night: "We are bringing in new legislation. We are going to have on-the-spot-fines in supermarkets". Is it the girl at the checkout that is supposed to pay them? There was another major announcement last night, that the notices in pubs will have to have letters 2.5 centimetres high, an inch high, so that people can read them without putting on their glasses. These are now, in the words of the Parliamentary Secretary's amendment to this motion, "the measures being taken by the Government to control the prices and charges for goods and services"— letters an inch high in pubs and on-the-spot-fines for girls in supermarkets.

There was no effort by the Parliamentary Secretary to say that he intended to impose price controls on drink, which is in a chaotic situation and where the price of a pint, to my own knowledge, can vary in this country from as low as 35p— if you will excuse the phrase "as low as 35p"—to as high as 49p. As I pointed out yesterday, prices have now such a low priority in the estimation of this Government that a member of the Government is not even responsible for them any longer and the statutory functions in relation to them have been passed over to the most junior Parliamentary Secretary who is attached to this Government and who has also to deal with a whole lot of educational matters, bus services, and many other matters in the Department of Industry and Commerce as well. I am not making any personal criticism of him, but if prices were regarded today by the Coalition Government in the same light as they were regarded in February, 1973, when they promised time and time again between then and polling day that there would be no more price rises after the accession to Government of the Coalition, if they were as important now as they were then and as they were believed then, we would not have the situation that even a member of the Government does not bother to have anything to do with prices.

I set out at some length last night the general views of the National Prices Commission regarding their functions, the limitations on their functions and what was necessary to secure control of prices and inflation. In their November, 1972, report they said:

Inflation will not be curbed or stopped by deploring its symptoms.

that is, price increases

Its pace will be reduced only by attacking its causes in so far as these lie within the control of the Irish community.

In page 12 of the March, 1973, report they set out the six prime causes of inflation and, consequently, of price rises. I dealt with each of those in detail last night and I dealt with them not just as the prices commission had then dealt with them but in a current context. I showed what could be done and what should have been done over the past few years, and in particular I showed what will be done by the Fianna Fáil Government that will be returned after the next general election. Of those six causes of inflation, far and away the most important over the past three years has been under the heading "increases in indirect taxes".

Would the Deputy come back to the highest inflation rate in Europe?

Increases in indirect taxes, as I demonstrated last night and as Deputy Colley demonstrated this evening, led in January, 1975, to a 4 per cent increase in the consumer price index, and immediately after that the national wage agreement had to be concluded, and it was concluded in the light of that unnecessary 4 per cent. Then, after the national wage agreement was concluded, the 4 per cent was taken off by the introduction of subsidies in the June, 1975, budget which we had advocated as far back as October and November, 1974 should be done. But the harm was done by this appalling increase in indirect taxes, the next heading, number 4, is increases in money incomes, and they were driven up unnecessarily. They themselves caused a further spiral in the whole inflationary process. One would have thought that the Government would surely have learned their lesson after the mess they had made of things in 1975. But what did they do? On the 28th January, 1976, they introduced a budget which increases the consumer price index by 5 per cent, and then in March a national wage agreement has to be negotiated and, of course, it has to be negotiated in the light of the fact that, apart from any other increases that may take place, the Government deliberately and as a result of their own action on the 28th January, 1976 have forced up the cost of living by 5 per cent.

How can a Government who act in such a lunatic fashion expect workers and the trade unions to moderate their demands? How could any trade union or any group of workers be expected to accede to the calls that were made in the early part of this year by the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance for a pay pause, a pay freeze? Because of these deliberate price increases —5 per cent in itself and perhaps another 4 or 5 per cent from the indirect effect it has on other things, driving up prices still further—they are driven to looking for much bigger increases in wages than they need have looked for if they had been given proper leadership.

I believe there would have been a wide acceptance early this year of a pay pause for a reasonable period if the Government were not, in the very same breath that they were asking for that pay pause, going out of their way to drive up prices and costs and to force workers, whether they wanted to do it or not, to ask for more and more wages. Without any doubt, the major part of the inflationary spiral in which tragically we find ourselves today is caused by this Government and their policies. The view of various economists which I quoted last night is that at the moment imported inflation accounts for only 20 per cent of our inflation and that domestic factors, entirely within the control of the Government, account for 80 per cent. That is not being disputed because it cannot be disputed.

Deputies

It can be disputed.

I would ask the House to pass this motion because it is a self-evident one and not to dream of accepting the amendment in the name of the Parliamentary Secretary, which, putting it at its most charitable, is little better than a joke.

Amendment put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 63; Níl, 38.

  • Barry, Peter.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Begley, Michael.
  • Belton, Luke.
  • Belton, Paddy.
  • Bermingham, Joseph.
  • Bruton, John.
  • Burke, Dick.
  • Burke, Joan T.
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Clinton, Mark A.
  • Collins, Edward.
  • Conlan, John F.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cooney, Patrick M.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Costello, Declan.
  • Crotty, Kieran.
  • Cruise-O'Brien, Conor.
  • Desmond, Barry.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Dockrell, Henry P.
  • Dockrell, Maurice.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Donnellan, John.
  • Dunne, Thomas.
  • Enright, Thomas.
  • Esmonde, John G.
  • Finn, Martin.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Gilhawley, Eugene.
  • Governey, Desmond.
  • Griffin, Brendan.
  • Hegarty, Patrick.
  • Hogan O'Higgins, Brigid.
  • Jones, Denis F.
  • Keating, Justin.
  • Kelly, John.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Kyne, Thomas A.
  • L'Estrange, Gerald.
  • Lynch, Gerard.
  • McLaughlin, Joseph.
  • McMahon, Larry.
  • Malone, Patrick.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • O'Brien, Fergus.
  • O'Connell, John.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • O'Sullivan, John L.
  • Pattison, Seamus.
  • Reynolds, Patrick J.
  • Ryan, John J.
  • Ryan, Richie.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Staunton, Myles.
  • Taylor, Frank.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Toal, Brendan.
  • Tully, James.

Níl

  • Allen, Lorcan.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Brady, Philip A.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Brosnan, Seán.
  • Browne, Seán.
  • Brugha, Ruairí.
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Callanan, John.
  • Carter, Frank.
  • Colley, George.
  • Connolly, Gerard.
  • Crinion, Brendan.
  • de Valera, Vivion.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom (Dublin Central).
  • French, Seán.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Gibbons, Hugh.
  • Gogan, Richard P.
  • Haughey, Charles.
  • Healy, Augustine A.
  • Lalor, Patrick J.
  • Loughnane, William.
  • Lynch, Celia.
  • Lynch, Jack.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • Meaney, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Moore, Seán.
  • Murphy, Ciarán.
  • O'Connor, Timothy.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Malley, Desmond.
  • Power, Patrick.
  • Timmons, Eugene.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Walsh, Seán.
  • Wyse, Pearse.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Kelly and B. Desmond; Níl, Deputies Lalor and S. Browne.
Question declared carried.
Motion, as amended, put and declared carried.
The Dáil adjourned at 8.45 p.m. until 11.30 a.m. on Thursday, 27th May, 1976.
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