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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 30 Jun 1976

Vol. 291 No. 14

Adjournment of Dáil: Motion.

I move:

That the Dáil on its rising this week do adjourn until Wednesday, 13th October, 1976.

As the House is aware, this debate is generally used as a vehicle for a review of the economy and other relevant matters. I propose to follow this precedent.

First, I should like to deal with the economy. Many views have been expressed on this, but I think it will be more satisfactory for us to stick as far as possible to the facts.

We all know that in 1975 national output declined. We know that the world recession was in part responsible for that situation. What has not been so obvious is the extent to which we in this country did better than most of the countries with which we trade. Last year, the decline in our gross national product, which had been estimated earlier to have been about 3 per cent, is now put by the Central Statistics Office at no more than 1 per cent. This is a very creditable performance for our uniquely open economy in the particularly adverse circumstances which prevailed internationally. In 1975, I would like this House and the public generally to know that the decline we suffered came close to being the smallest of any of the member countries of the European Community. I propose to use OECD figures — and the estimated decreases in GNP elsewhere last year will show that in Germany it was down 3.4 per cent, France down 2.4 per cent, Italy down 3.7 per cent, the United Kingdom down 1.6 per cent, Belgium down 1.4 per cent, the Netherlands down 1.3 per cent, Denmark down 0.8 per cent and the United States down 2 per cent.

Our industrial exports did fall in volume terms by about 4 per cent, the first decrease for many years. While this was in itself disappointing, the decline was comparable with those suffered by other industrialised countries and represented a less adverse result than experienced by some of these countries. Germany, for example, suffered a decline of 10 per cent in volume terms in its exports, nearly all of which are industrial in nature.

The figures I have given demonstrate clearly the extent of the recession which hit the western world. There is no point in trying to hide or ignore its effects. Neither is there point in trying to conceal the beneficial results of the budgetary and other policies adopted by the Government. We did indeed suffer a decline in output in that year but, because of the actions of the Government and for other reasons, this decline was a great deal less here than it would otherwise have been — and was much less than in many other countries.

I am happy to say that the signs of recovery which I noted in opening the previous adjournment debate last December have been confirmed. It is now clear that the upturn was maintained through the last four months of 1975.

The decline in industrial production levelled off in the third quarter and there was an increase in output in the final quarter of the year. Available indicators, in particular the external trade returns, suggest that in the current year the upturn has continued. The revival of imports has increased in tempo, reflecting increased output but also increased consumer demand. Exports have also shown a significant increase. There were particularly noteworthy rises in sales to countries other than Britain and Northern Ireland. Those to all EEC countries other than the United Kingdom in the period up to the end of last month were up 35 per cent in value on the corresponding period of 1975 while those to the United States rose by 66 per cent and those to Japan actually doubled. Total industrial exports showed an increase of 30 per cent in value in this period, equivalent to about 10 per cent in volume terms. These are not signs of a faltering economy — or of industry unstable or afraid to use its opportunities.

The international outlook is encouraging. Indeed in the major economies, recent developments have been somewhat more favourable than previously forecast. The latest estimates suggest that world trade could expand by up to 8 per cent this year where earlier estimates had been of an increase of 6 per cent. The US economy is leading the recovery. In continental Europe, both Germany and France now expect growth rates to be of the order of 5-6 per cent. In Britain, national output grew at an annual rate of about 4 per cent in the first quarter. However, this represented a mainly export-led expansion phase and, because of the impact there of the counter-inflation policy, prospects for our goods there are not so promising int he immediate future. Some improvement in domestic demand there is likely in the second half of the year, but this may not help us, particularly if we do not achieve the gains in productivity necessary to negative the difference between our two countries in the size of wage and salary increases being contemplated. As is well known and has often been emphasised, Britain is our single biggest export market. We must compete there. In fact, the disparity in expectations on incomes in the two countries and the effect this could have on our competitiveness both here and in the United Kingdom is probably the single most worrying problem on our horizon.

This is so because on the way we deal with the problem will depend our ability to keep at work those who now have jobs and to create more jobs for those at present unemployed and for those coming into the labour force. Moderation in income demands will contribute to raising our living standards in the long run. Lack of such moderation will put thousands more out of work — and lower living standards for all.

In my speech on the adjournment debate before the Christmas recess I indicated that it was the Government's view that those who were fortunate enough to have jobs should agree not to press for any further pay increases at least until the end of 1976. The Minister for Finance in his budget speech reiterated the Government view that a pay pause from the termination of the 1975 national wage agreement until the end of 1976 was most desirable for the good of the economy as a whole.

Given our commitment to upholding the processes of voluntary agreements wherever possible, the Government, as the single largest employer in the country, took part in the discussions aimed at negotiating a new national wage agreement. Regrettably the calls for a pay pause to the end of 1976 produced little concrete result in the negotiations. We do not consider the terms of the draft 1976 national wage agreement to be the best solution to our problems. We do however consider them to be the best solution which can be got on a voluntary basis at the present time.

A rejection of the terms of the draft 1976 national wage agreement would indicate a most disturbing unwillingness on the part of the parties concerned to face up to the problems confronting us at present. It should be clear that there can be no question of increasing the payments which would be made under the draft national wage agreement. That should be known and understood. Much of the objection to the draft proposals seems to be caused by the restrictions the proposals would impose on special increases over and above the standard amounts. I would ask those who take this line to consider carefully the social stresses that would be created if strong limits were not put to such extra increases at a time when many workers have not got even the standard increases under the last agreement and have no hope of obtaining the full increases under the proposed agreement.

The pursuit of a "free-for-all" would simply lead to a situation where those who think they are in a strong bargaining position would try to enrich themselves at the expense of those in weaker positions. Those not in strong positions, obviously, have less to bargain with and their position would consequently be much worse due to their weaker situation. The pursuit of such a policy might bring short term gains to a minority of our citizens but would do nothing for the community as a whole. Those who would pursue such a course of action would bear a heavy responsibility, for the pursuit of narrow sectional interests at this time could tear our society apart. As has been repeatedly said, and it is no harm to mention it again at the present time in the period between now and the decisions in respect of the national draft agreement, nobody owes us a living.

A call for restraint in income demands does not have any attractions when made after the announcement of a 6.2 per cent rise in the cost of living in the previous quarter, but this increase is in large measure attributable to previous excessive pay increases, and sooner rather than later this fact will have to be acknowledged and short term sacrifices made if we are not to fall disastrously behind in the fight against inflation. A particularly heavy responsibility, therefore, rests just now on those in a position of leadership or influence to help in getting this message across to the community at large.

We expect that the second half of the year will see a more generalised recovery here than has so far occurred and that the growth rate for the year as a whole will be in the range of 2-2½ per cent. I should emphasise that this estimate was made before the outcome of the current situation on incomes is known, and is based on certain assumptions as to pay levels and competitiveness. It is now obviously a matter for conjecture whether these assumptions are right. I might also indicate that the figures I quoted from the OECD are also borne out by Agence Europe Nationale which gives the estimate for this year and which are largely in line with the other figures given. I mentioned that because there is no fundamental agreement on the assessment by different expert bodies in this regard.

I now want to review briefly the position in the principal sectors of the economy. We have recently debated the Estimate for Agriculture and, if I do not speak at any length about developments in farming, it is not to be taken as indicating any lack of appreciation of the vital importance of agriculture. This was underlined by events in 1975. Of the increase of £305 million in the value of exports over £200 million was contributed by agriculture.

For farmers, 1975 was a good year. Output rose by no less than 10 per cent, by volume. The cattle industry recovered from the relatively depressed conditions of 1974 and creamery milk production increased appreciably. The increase in farmers' incomes is estimated to have been about 50 per cent, which more than fully made up the setback experienced in 1974 when they suffered a fall of 12 per cent. This has brought back confidence to the industry about its future growth. There is plenty of evidence of this renewed confidence. Market prices for cattle have never been better. The decline in the acreage of tillage has now been reversed. Fertiliser usage is showing a welcome and very necessary increase following the cutback over the past two years which, unfortunately, has recently led to a loss of jobs in the fertiliser industry.

This resurgence of confidence is soundly based. Within a relatively short period further advantages will accrue when the transitional arrangements of EEC membership come to an end. I would encourage farmers to build up their herds and to develop the great potential of this basic national industry. I also want to urge farmers in the dairying sector not to over-react to the current proposals of the EEC Commission. I want to assure them that the Minister and the Government will ensure that any adjustments in the Common Agricultural Policy will maintain the scope for expansion here based on our unrivalled natural assets and ability to produce milk at low cost. We can and must remain one of the world's leading producers of cattle and cattle products in an expanding and highly industrialised market of 260 million people.

I have already referred to the encouraging performance of industrial exports and to the stabilisation of production revealed by official figures. These figures do not extend beyond the end of last year. However, the April survey of manufacturing industry conducted by the Confederation of Irish Industry and the Economic and Social Research Institute indicated that the recovery in activity in manufacturing has, in the main, continued. Taking manufacturing as a whole, the firms surveyed expected that production and exports will continue to increase in the next few months. Home sales, however, were not expected to show any change.

The assessment also varied considerably from one sector to the other, as indeed has performance in recent years. The survey suggests that the increase in activity is mainly concentrated on intermediate goods and that there have been steep declines in the output of consumer products. This ties in with the disquieting import trends. Imports of a wide range of some manufactured consumer goods rose by about 30 per cent in volume terms in the last six months. Imports from Britain were particularly buoyant. This increase owes something to the dismantling of tariff protection which has been almost completed, so far as British goods are concerned, since this time last year. The intensification of competition, which is usual in a period of recession, probably played a part. But there can be no doubt that the main reason for the increasing share of the home market being taken by imports is the loss of competitiveness, principally as a result of the higher pay increases we have awarded ourselves in this country.

In the four-year period to the end of 1975, average hourly earnings of male workers in industry increased by 18 per cent more in Ireland than in Britain. More rapid productivity growth here cut the gap between the respective rises in average unit wage costs to 7 per cent. This result is, of course, an average of widely differing performances between industrial sectors. In some branches of industry a high rate of investment or the advent of new capital-intensive firms helped to push up output per person employed and to offset increases in pay. In other branches — the more traditional sectors such as clothing, traditional textiles, paper and printing, wood and furniture and food — the greater increases in pay here were fully reflected in unit costs. Most of the 57,000 jobs which were lost in industry between 1973 and 1975 were in these sectors. This bears out again what I and other Ministers have been saying about the link between increases in unit costs and unemployment.

A recent issue of the Newsletter of the Confederation of Irish Industry gave an interesting illustration of this relationship by comparing the relative performance of the textile and clothing industries. During the four-year period from 1971 to 1975, unit wage costs in the Irish textile industry rose 17 per cent more slowly than those in Britain, and Irish textile output increased 19 per cent more rapidly than British output. At the same time, unit wage costs in the Irish clothing and footwear sector grew 12 per cent faster than those in Britain: output in the Irish clothing and footwear sector declined 17 per cent more rapidly than output in these sectors in Britain. There could hardly be clearer evidence of the connection between costs and employment. Within limits, the more we pay ourselves the less we can employ in this country. It is no argument to say that higher wages here stimulate demand and so create markets for more goods. They do: but the markets are for goods made where costs are lower, and home industry whose prices are out of line gets no benefit. These are the iron and indisputable laws of trade and they cannot be amended by restrictions which invite retaliation against the 40 per cent or so of our trade which depends on exports of goods and services.

I have related the preceding comments to Britain since in many ways the two countries now constitute a single market in which impediments of any kind to the free circulation of goods are few. Increases in unit wage costs in our other principal trading partners, with the exception of Italy, have been less, in some cases very much less, than in Britain or here and it is only the depreciation of the £ which has prevented our goods becoming completely uncompetitive with goods from the US, Japan and most continental EEC countries. We cannot continue to rely indefinitely on this extraneous influence to protect us from the effects of asking too much and giving too little.

There is plenty of hope in our future. If we can draw on the lessons of the last few years, we can turn the results of adversity to advantage, for during these recent years we have had a complete transformation of our industrial base. Many firms have closed. Industries have been extensively rationalised. There has been massive investment in new plant and technology, greater, I may say, than anything we have ever experienced in our history before. Despite the adverse international climate for investment, the Industrial Development Authority have maintained a high level of success in bringing new industries here. Last year, their promotion work resulted in grant aid being approved for projects with a job potential of 16,500. The authority have set a target of 17,000 for this year.

When I was in America at the kind invitation of President Ford in connection with the celebration of the bi-centennial of the independence of that great country, I took the opportunity of stressing the advantage which this country possesses for American firms thinking of locating plants in the European Community. There is indeed ample evidence of the attractions of the country in the extent to which American firms have already decided to invest here. As Deputies know, their total investment as at a recent date come to some £329 million. During my visit there, I announced, with the Minister for Industry and Commerce, the decision of six more firms to set up factories here, involving a total further investment of some £53 million. Since then, first-time inquiries have been received by the Industrial Development Authority from a significant number of other American companies; and the authority themselves have mounted almost 100 industrial presentations in America. Their efforts, if they bear fruit, will be in the interests both of this country and America in that they will preserve for investing firms markets which they might otherwise have lost, and by promoting industrial and economic activity generally will create new and better markets generally here, in America and in the Community for the products both of industry, services and agriculture.

At home, the Government have stepped up very significantly our support for industrial development. We have allocated almost £54 million to the IDA for capital purposes this year. The total allocation for industry in the public capital programme was increased by 71 per cent. Counting both current and capital expenditure, direct State aid to industry this year is just short of £120 million. And this does not include tax revenue foregone as a result of the scheme of tax relief for export profits and accelerated depreciation allowances. We will continue to make available as much money for industrial development as resources allow.

Given the magnitude of State assistance to industry and changing circumstances, there is an obvious need to review the various ways in which aid is provided and to consider whether they give the best possible incentives to industry to invest and to increase output and sales. Such a review is in hands in the context of the preparations for issue of a national economic and social plan. There is no shortage of ideas on new measures of help for industry, and the Government welcome any worthwhile suggestions or proposals. It is noteworthy, however, that we receive no suggestions on schemes that could be terminated or abridged. However, in current budgetary circumstances, there is a responsibility to ensure that even aid to industry — or to agriculture or other sectors of the economy — taking account, of course, of the benefits to the revenue of more buoyant activity in the economy, does not further widen the public sector deficit.

The same is true in relation to public spending affecting the building and construction industry where calls for increased spending have also been heard. There has been a substantial increase in unemployment in this sector and this is something the Government regret. Of its nature, the industry must depend on what happens in the rest of the economy to generate demand for its products: and in this sense it is less a master of its own destiny than many other industries. While appreciating this, I wonder how much of the blame for high unemployment in the industry must be shouldered by the industry itself, both workers and employers. Does it push up the price of its products so much that demand inevitably slackens? Does the operation of price variation clause facilitate this process? For the sector's customers, be they in the public sector or in the private sector, can only secure so much funds to spend on building work. If these buy a smaller quantity of work as a result of cost and price inflation, the result is unemployment.

Again, here, the connection between the level of wages and employment is crucial; and the figures are simple. If £325 million is available for building and construction generally — from the public capital programme or otherwise — and 40 per cent of this goes directly on wages, then some 50,000 men can be employed. If the average wage goes up by say 20 per cent while the total amount of money flowing to the industry remains the same, then unemployment in the industry, as a matter of simple mathematical calculation, must fall. Perhaps 9,000 more men must lose their jobs. This is the sort of roulette being played and these are the stakes in current wage negotiations. Here as in every other industry and walk of life, jobs and wages are interdependent and there is no way in which the link can be broken. The more out of line with productivity that incomes go the fewer jobs there will be in this country — both for those who now have them and for school leavers and others who are seeking them.

Certainly, the Government have not been sparing in allocating funds for building. Our housing record is the best example of this. The increase in local authority housing construction since we took office culminated in a record 8,700 houses being built last year. This increase and the other measures in our housing programme have maintained an annual rate of more than 25,000 dwellings in output.

But to get the full measure of the work supported by public expenditure, one needs to go far beyond housing, further even than the items shown under the heading "building and construction" in the sectoral breakdown of the public capital programme. Spending under many other headings also provides work for construction firms and workers. Examples are harbour works, work at airports, spending by Bord Fáilte and factory-building partly financed by IDA grants. The total provision affecting the industry in this year's programme is in fact, the £325 million I mentioned. This represents a remarkable effort in the budgetary circumstances that prevail.

I do not wish to comment on the discussions relating to pay in the industry except to ask all concerned to consider the points I made a few moments ago; and the reality that there can be no further allocation of public funds for building work this year. Further, there will be very strict constraints on what will be possible next year. Many people hold that we have reached the limit of taxable capacity — and in the interests of economic development, we must reduce the level of public borrowing.

While detailed statistics on developments in the services sector in 1975 are not yet available, the level of activity in the sector as a whole was lower than in the previous year. However, tourism improved by about 3 per cent in real terms and there was growth in certain other areas. Figures released by Bord Fáilte show a rise in tourism numbers in the first four months of the current year. The North American market was particularly buoyant with an increase of 13 per cent. For the year as a whole the board forecast a rise of nearly 7 per cent in overseas visitors.

The past six months have been noteworthy for the progress made towards the full exploration and development of our natural resources, on the basis of the Government's policy that their exploitation should confer the maximum possible advantages on the nation as a whole. The work at Navan for the development of the lead/zinc ore body is going ahead and more than 1,000 workers are employed there at present. Following the announcement of our intention to promote the establishment of a zinc smelter to process zinc concentrate supplies from the Navan mines, we authorised the IDA to pursue the matter and they have been doing so actively.

In the offshore sector, substantial progress has been made in the last year. Deputies are aware of the position about natural gas from Kinsale from the debate on the Gas Bill, currently before the Oireachtas. During this session, exclusive offshore exploration licences were concluded covering areas in the South-West, West, North-East and East. The licensee work obligations are such as to ensure that a wide-ranging drilling programme will continue over the next three or four years. This programme has already started. I think we can look forward with realistic optimism to results in this area.

Deputies will be aware of the discussions on a new Law of the Sea Convention which are being conducted in a global framework, and of the discussions within the European Community on a new Community regime for fishing. Both these sets of discussions are of great importance for the future development of our fishing industry. I emphasised this at the Luxembourg meeting of the European Council when I said that conservation was vital to the future of the industry and that the Community's new policy must give maximum attention to this question. We are not happy with the Commission's proposals on exclusive coastal zones. These have had to have regard to the short-term national interests of a number of our partners which are opposed to ours in this matter. I would hope, however, that they will see the importance of adequate coastal zones to the conservation of fish stocks which, ultimately, benefits all interests concerned. At any rate, the Government are determined, in the discussions which are continuing in the Council of Ministers, to safeguard the interests of our fishing industry and to allow scope to realise its potential for further development

I have referred to the Luxembourg meeting of the European Council of Heads of Government and Foreign Ministers of the member states of the European Community which I attended at the beginning of last April. In the statement I made in the House on my return, I referred to the general situation within the Community. I suggested that although the outcome of the meeting in Luxembourg was disappointing it might be best to suspend judgement until the end of this year. This, I think, remains valid as developments in the interval do not provide a clear indication of the health of the Community or of the direction in which it is going.

On the credit side, it is worth noting that, except in a small number of cases mainly relating to Italy, where Commission approval for derogations was granted, protective measures affecting other member states have been avoided. Agreement was reached in the annual price review under the Common Agricultural Policy on a package which was satisfactory for this country, given the overall economic situation and the diverse interests which had to be accommodated. We had further evidence of Community solidarity in the loan of 1.3 billion dollars raised by the Community for this country and Italy. Our share was more than £150 million. Further progress has been made in developing the external relations of the Community acting as a single unit.

These are some of the Community's achievements of which we should not lose sight. Some of them consist more of avoiding dangers than of making positive progress, but they are no less welcome for that. However, there is no point in concealing the fact that there have also been many disappointments. These include the continuing failure to agree on a Community energy policy, the lack of progress towards convergence of the levels of development of the member states' economies, the failure to agree at Luxembourg on the size and composition of a directly elected European Parliament, the patent failure to coordinate Community policy, as such, in economic summits like that at Rambouillet last year and now at Puerto Rico.

There is to be a further meeting of the European Council on 12-13th July. I would hope that with improving economic prospects it might be possible to make a start there on breathing new life into the Community. In relation to direct elections to the European Parliament, the number of proposals under consideration has been narrowed down to a small number within which I would hope we could find the basis for a solution which would be satisfactory for Europe and for this country.

The report on European Union, prepared by M. Tindemans, the Prime Minister of Belgium, and the discussions on the issues it raises also have an important role to play in advancing integration. The report has been under examination by the Foreign Ministers and is to be discussed further at the forthcoming meeting of the European Council but we will not know the final outcome before the end of the year.

The benefits of such activity are in marked contrast to the continuing tragedy of Northern Ireland. I have stated Government policy on the North on many occasions. As recently as March I had the privilege of giving a full account of its main aspects before a joint meeting of the House of Representatives and the Senate of the United States of America. That account received wide publicity and, I think and hope, wide acceptance.

It is hardly necessary for me here to go into the detail of what I said there. I would like, however, to place again on record my appreciation of the actions of President Ford in joining with me in an appeal to American and Irish people to refrain from supporting Northern violence with financial or other aid, and for the practical measures taken to give effect to that intention.

Unfortunately, it is not by words alone that progress can be made in Northern Ireland—though badly chosen or ill-intentioned statements can cause considerable damage. And it is not by the length of speeches that the value of policies is to be judged. The Government have shown more than once that their will to combat violence is not merely verbal; and that they will uphold, with the considerable forces now at their command, the law of this land. We do not want men of violence here; and we will not permit this country to become a haven for those who destroy the lives and property of our fellow countrymen in Northern Ireland, here or elsewhere. Our record on violence speaks for itself but British Ministers have joined with us in expressing satisfaction at the excellent results that have been achieved in the field of North/South co-operation on security matters.

At present there is evidence of a will in Northern Ireland to discuss the way forward for the different sections of the community, most of whom wish for an environment of stability and law, in which the real problems of the area can be tackled. By the real problems I mean the problems of unemployment and social justice and the creation of good living conditions for all its people. The discussions now going on are a hopeful sign for the future. We here wish them well. Our attitude will be one of readiness to help in any way we can—and to accept and support fully any institutions of Government freely arrived at which command the respect of the people of Northern Ireland as a whole. Indeed, when I met the former British Prime Minister, now Sir Harold Wilson, in London last March, we confirmed that both Governments were agreed that only on this basis could an acceptable form of a government be established.

From what I have said it will be easy to deduce the main emphasis in Government policy over the past few years. We have sought to protect the weak from the effects of the worst recession since the 1930s and to develop our economy so as to ensure that, as far as possible, people could remain in employment. The numbers out of work are high but they would have been a great deal higher without the measures taken by the Government— on a scale, let me emphasise, never matched in this or in any other generation. Indeed, as Deputies will be aware, percentage increases in unemployment in other countries, brought about by the recession from which we have all suffered, were higher— often far higher—than here. This is no comfort to those who have lost their jobs or who are seeking work, but it does bring home the size of the Government's effort to maintain employment and the comparative success of that effort.

The cost has been great. The capital and current expenditure of Government and local authorities and the capital expenditure of semi-State bodies has risen over the past three years from just under £1 out of every £2 of gross national product to about £2 out of every £3. No matter what ideas one may hold about the influence of public expenditure on gross national product or on economic growth, it is clear that a continuance or increase in expenditure at this level is not compatible with a thriving and self-reliant industry or agriculture. If the State and public authorities generally monopolise too many of the decisions on the allocation of resources, then other initiatives by indigenous industry just cannot take place. The absorption or reallocation by the State and by public authorities of an increasing proportion of national wealth—no matter how worthy the motive—can only weaken enterprise and the sense of drive in domestic industry and agriculture on which the growth of the economy depends.

Public expenditure is financed largely by taxation and borrowing. Our levels of taxation expressed as a percentage of total resources are not high by international standards but this statement, taken by itself, gives an incomplete picture. First, the relative poverty of our country means that the level of taxation expressed as a percentage of GNP which would be light in a richer country could bear with great severity here. And the structure and incidence of taxation may often be such that it weighs heavily on particular sections and may well inhibit development.

The borrowing we have had to do to maintain our capital and other programmes is not sustainable at its current level in the longer term, or in conditions such as those emerging where the major industrial nations are pulling out of recession and industry may well be starting to seek investment capital to finance its activities. Indeed at its present level borrowing is imposing a heavy burden on taxable capacity. Deputies will have noted that in the current year the cost of extra debt services is almost equivalent to the entire buoyancy of taxation. In other words, when the increase in the cost of debt service is met there is little or nothing for other policy options like the reduction in taxation or improvement in services. This is the factual position which should be pondered by the many who propose further increases in public expenditure and borrowing.

What then are the priorities for the Government? The first and absolute priority is the maintenance and creation of employment. This means many things. It means that we must reduce our rate of inflation because at its current level it is making it increasingly difficult for us to compete in markets here and abroad where we must sell. So far we have been reasonably successful in this area. The danger is not in what we have done but in what we may do— not in the past but in the future. It could well lie ahead in the consequences of wage and income increases which are too high for the economy to bear, and well above what is contemplated abroad. Economically, we do not live on an island. We live in the midst of a large and busy market where goods sell on price and quality, irrespective of origin. Exporting a high proportion of what we produce, we benefit from this market, but importing also the best that it can produce, we must observe its disciplines, or suffer the consequences. It is the plainest of common sense that if our goods are uncompetitive in price or design, then employment must inevitably suffer.

It is no good coming along when the markets are lost and factories and workshops are about to close, and urging that something be done to keep the plant alive and jobs in being. Fire brigade actions achieve little. We will survive and prosper only by the use of good management practice and the application in time to incomes generally of the principles of realism and common sense.

This does not apply only to those working in what are generally known as the productive sectors, like agriculture and industry. It applies throughout the economy. There is no such thing now in our country as a sector, service or industry, isolated from the rest. Each depends on the other. All who live and work in this country are part of the same community and depend on it for their livelihood. It is for this reason that the Government introduced the recent legislation on the banks. The community pays the tens of millions of pounds for bank salaries, in one way or another, just as it pays the costs of other goods and services it buys. And the community has a real and continuing interest in what it gets for this money. Bank costs are part of industry's prices; and their actions become examples for others to follow.

Our basic aim of improving prospects for employment requires a great deal more than moderation in the rate of inflation and in the growth of incomes. It requires a new attitude on public expenditure and a critical examination of many projects and programmes. There are many questions to be asked in this examination. To what degree is public expenditure and the taxation necessary to finance it adding to our inflation, and thus in effect diminishing our prospect of creating more jobs? Are there within Government programmes which are contradictory in effect, perhaps at the one time involving subsidies and taxation? Is what we are spending really achieving a return for the community as a whole, as distinct from some sectional group within it? Are our policies on welfare and taxation logical, or even compatible with each other? Many questions like these are being considered and will be answered in the Government's continuing examination of public expenditure and its place within our social and economic plan. Indeed it is only in this way that we can free the resources necessary to release and sustain the enterprise and investment on which the growth of the economy and all employment depend. Again, is the emphasis within the total of public expenditure, at whatever level it is set, right, if we want to achieve our objective of ensuring that our opportunities for employment improve? Obviously the direction of changes made in the last budget must be maintained. There must be the greatest possible emphasis on spending which creates self-sustaining employment and does not at the same time add substantially to the tax burden, either directly or through debt service charges. Perhaps nowhere more than in relation to public expenditure is the Government's priority of creating and maintaining employment more relevant.

In what I have said about inflation, incomes and public expenditure, I am not implying that the Government alone can achieve the atmosphere of confidence—the desire and initiative to progress—on which our prosperity depends. The Government can and will provide the environment for progress. That is what the work on the forthcoming economic and social plan is all about. But neither any plan nor the Government can, in themselves, ensure that progress takes place. That depends on many things like the will to succeed, the readiness to accept and benefit by change, and not least the willingness to refrain from unjustified criticism which can fuel the despondency which so many now seem to enjoy. I have said that an absolute priority is the maintenance and creation of self-sustaining employment. It is an aim to which all sections of the community can subscribe; and it is an aim to which all can give substance in their lives and actions particularly in their attitude to incomes. The Government will continue to encourage and lead to its achievement. It is the basis on which our policy is framed and the objective of our efforts and undertakings.

The motion before the House is a prelude to the adjournment of the Dáil on tomorrow, 1st July, at an unprecedented early date, at a time when the country is in an unprecedented state of despondency and the economy is in an unprecedented state of chaos. Apart from the general considerations of the state of the economy, the existence now of a bank strike and the uncertainty as to whether or not a national pay agreement will emerge and will become effective, we on this side of the House believe that it represents a high degree of irresponsibility on the part of the Government to insist on the adjournment of the Dáil for a period of threeand-a-half months at this time.

Having listened to the Taoiseach's speech which, as usual, contained its quota of generalities, selective use of statistics where they favoured the Government and with apparently to a large degree reliance on the improvements of the economy now being generated in the United States and which is spearheading a hope for improvement in the economy of the European countries, the Taoiseach has not put forward one specific proposal in his speech as to how the unemployment rate might be reduced, how the rate of inflation might be curbed and how the prices spiral might be held. I propose not merely to highlight the failures of the Government in so many aspects of administration but to give an indication of the thinking of Fianna Fáil as to how this crisis arose and how it could have been forestalled or maybe relieved, and also to give an indication in a general way of how we in Fianna Fáil believe that a steady rate of progress of economic growth, which was experienced under successive Fianna Fáil Governments up to 1973, could be restored.

Fianna Fáil are committed to economic development in a phased and ordered way and on a programmed basis, having regard to reasonable assumptions. Fianna Fáil are committed as well—and our record in this respect shows it—to social improvements and development. Unless we can have reasonable and realistic programmes, we will not be able to produce effective curbing of inflation, effective price stability, effective job creation, and real improvement in the standard of living. There is no point in one Government saying that in a given year it provided £10 million, £20 million or £30 million more in social welfare benefits than its predecessor if the recipients of these benefits are obliged to pay 7, 10 or even 17 per cent more to maintain their previous standard of living or to buy the same quantity of the necessities of life that they purchased before these increases were granted.

This Government have in existence a scheme of pay-related benefits. There is no point in pretending that this scheme can continue merely because the Government decide to make orders extending the scheme on the basis of three-monthly periods of extension. The concept of pay-related benefits is fair and just if operated in a fair and just way, but if its inevitable consequence is to reduce employment, to reduce the will to work even when that work is available, then the scheme will break up of its own dynamic.

What is most necessary at present is a sense of patriotism in general and a sense of practical patriotism, as people have come to know it, and also a sense of realism. We must redefine for our people our national aspirations and re-establish, where it needs to be re-established, our national identity.

The Northern Ireland problem will not go away merely by doing nothing about it. It will not settle itself by the Government here saying: "The immediate problem is none of our business; go and settle it among your selves." At present I welcome and support, as the Taoiseach has said, the efforts being made by members of the SDLP with members of the Official Unionist Party at finding some modus operandi for the administration of the affairs of Northern Ireland. Fianna Fáil have confidence in the SDLP, in the members of it who are conducting these negotiations, that they will maintain in the forefront the fundamental national ideal in seeking a solution for current problems in the North. But I do not think it is fair to the SDLP, and even for their own sake I do not think it right that they should be seen to be the instigators or initiators of policy on behalf of the Dublin Government. It is not enough for this Government to denounce the IRA or any other perpetrators of violence North or South as we did and do; it is not enough to pursue the IRA to ensure the security of the State as we did when in Government, unless the Government can establish that they have a policy in relation to the North of Ireland that will make the IRA irrelevant and be seen to be irrelevant.

Fianna Fáil produced a policy statement last October and this is being kept under constant review. That statement was made on the eve of the demise of the Convention. Nothing has happened since, except the talks to which I have referred, that would seem to hold out any hope of rapport between the two sections of the community in the North.

I mentioned the restatement of our national ideals. These include the maintenance and extension of the use of the Irish language and, of course, otherwise establishing our distinctive national identity. It is not enough to make promises to the people of the Gaeltacht about new industries, even if only a small fraction of these promises is capable of being fulfilled, and forget about the language itself. The maintenance and use of the Irish language in the Gaeltacht is of primary importance but we must seek also to extend the use of it, interest in it and love for it in areas outside the Gaeltacht throughout the country generally. As for practical patriotism, we must restore in the people pride in their work, confidence in themselves, and confidence in their country.

We must get rid of the dole mentality, of the notion that a restatement of empty ideological clichés would solve our problem. We must get rid of the mentality that some people opposite have that to nationalise everything in sight and tax everything that moves will solve our problems. We must get rid of the notion that if we sit tight—as the Taoiseach seems to have done—improvements in the economies of other countries will inevitably spill over to us and our economy will also improve. That is not what governments are elected for. One of the most glaring examples of the total absence of Government activity and policy and total failure to give any leadership has been in the field of pay policy which is perhaps most relevant at the present time. The Coalition tacticians may see this as a clever example of papering over the fundamental differences that lie between them and perhaps a small price to pay for clinging on to office but, for the nation as a whole, this lack of policy is a national disaster and is helping only to prolong the misery of unemployment and inflation.

Before Christmas we were led to believe that the Government have a policy. A pay pause, apparently, was needed in 1976 if jobs were to be saved and inflation cut down. Then in January the Government themselves put an end to any such prospect when the budget pushed up prices by 5 per cent. How could any trade union be expected to agree to a policy that would have meant a drastic cut—I emphasise the words drastic cut—in the living standards of their members? Having thus destroyed their own suggested pay pause policy the Government enunciated a new policy or form of pay restraint. This was an alleged policy because in the four or five months since then members of the Government have never managed to explain, presumably because they do not know themselves, what exactly they mean by pay restraint. Even now, with another serious bank strike under way, we still do not know what pay increase fits in with this notion of pay restraint.

Since the intention of such a policy was to help preserve jobs pay restraint might be taken to call for pay increases no greater than those taking place in Britain at present because otherwise Irish costs and prices would rise faster than in Britain inevitably leading to a loss of markets for Irish products and a loss of jobs. But despite all the early talk about statutory controls or talk leading to the belief that there might be statutory controls and that these would be used if necessary to impose a modest pay norm, it transpired that the Government were ready to accept pay rises which would average about 14 per cent, a figure three times as high as the figure negotiated in Britain and at a level which, to use the Minister for Finance's own colourful words, would lead to the crucifixion of the economy. Whether through remorse, or as another propaganda exercise, we then had a belated attempt at Government toughness this time again over the clauses for special pay increases above the norm.

This brings us to the present state of suspense. We do not know if there will be a national pay agreement on the terms already announced. We do not know if a free-for-all will follow any breakdown of these proposals. We do not know if the same penalties now proposed for the banks will apply to groups of workers and employers who will arrange for pay rises above the norm. We do not know what the pay norm will be, whether it will be more or less than the amount proposed already. In short, there is no trace of a credible or coherent policy on incomes and prices, as there has been no such policy for the past three years.

Unfortunately this Coalition cannot even learn from their own mistakes. Faced with this vital and major issue of pay rises, their only clear response is to rush through a motion providing for the adjournment of the Dáil and go on holidays in the despairing hope that the problem will somehow go away or solve itself. Of course it will not. Failure to act positively means that even greater efforts will have to be made towards putting our house in order in the future to restore price stability and to get our people back to work.

We have become familiar in the past three years with the propaganda and manipulation of facts by the Coalition to suit their own particular case. We had one example of this last weekend in a speech made by the Tánaiste in which he seriously misrepresented the unemployment position here in comparison with other EEC countries. As reported, he stated that between April, 1974, and April, 1975, average unemployment had stabilised in only two countries. He went on to say "the Netherlands had an increase of 9 per cent, Italy 11 per cent and our increase was 18 per cent, which was about the Community average. It was less than the French 24 per cent increase and the increase of 37 per cent in Belgium and Britain." These comparisons, he claimed, vindicated the Government's general strategy on jobs.

First, I might ask: what strategy? The fact is that there is no such strategy. These statistics were used again selectively. They are a blatant illustration of the old adage about lies, damn lies and statistics and the clear intention in making these comparisons is to suggest that we in Ireland are at least no worse off than the EEC as a whole, and that we are better off in comparison with increasing unemployment than Britain and other countries.

In fact, our performance has been much worse than those countries and the use of percentage increases in this way does not tell anything about the number of people losing their jobs. Let us take an example. If unemployment rises from one to two, that is an increase of 100 per cent. If it rises from 100 to 150 that is an increase of only 50 per cent, but to any sane person, and especially to a person concerned about the plight of the unemployed, the loss of 50 jobs is obviously far more serious than the loss of one job.

This type of misleading comparison which the Tánaiste tried to make last weekend creates the fallacious thinking by this Government that things are going well or as well as they can make them go. Let us take the real situation in Britain and Ireland. Between spring, 1974, and January of this year, unemployment in Britain rose by about 110 per cent. Here in Ireland it rose by "only"—to use the Tánaiste's own word—60 per cent. In the spring of 1974, unemployment in Britain was much lower than unemployment in Ireland. In Britain it was 2½ per cent, and here it was over 6 per cent of the total labour force.

Because British unemployment was much lower to begin with, their rise of 110 per cent means 2.8 people out of every 100 lost their jobs in the past two years. Our rise of 60 per cent means 3.6 people out of every 100 lost their jobs in the same period. That is the factual situation. Look at the stark comparison. For every three jobs in 100 the British lost, we lost four. That is what actually happened. These are the facts. Our rise in unemployment was worse and not better than the British performance. God knows what will happen in the months ahead.

I hope people will not think this reference to statistics is one of those tedious and complicated games for experts and economists only. It is no such thing. It is at the heart of an understanding of the present policy, or rather lack of policy, of this Government in relation to unemployment Before I leave the subject of comparisons I should like to say that the same relative position emerges if Ireland is compared with EEC countries. Unemployment in the EEC rose overall by about two in every 100 workers in the past two years compared with the 3.6 in 100 to which I have referred. Again our performance was much worse than the EEC average rather than far better as the Tánaiste tried to pretend.

Over and above that, if we allow for the numbers engaged in agricultural employment in this country compared with the others, our figures are far worse again. In Ireland roughly about 25 out of every 100 people employed are engaged in agriculture. In Britain the figure is only three out of every 100, and in the EEC it is only ten out of every 100. As a percentage we had far fewer people in industrial employment who stood to lose their jobs and who will continue to lose their jobs under this Government.

I should like to refer to agriculture as one of the strongest bases with the greatest potential for increased economic activity. If we are to get worthwhile increased employment, we will have to look to the products and the processing of products of the agricultural industry. It was with this in mind that the Fianna Fáil Party opposed the Coalition's tax imposition on agricultural co-operatives. We believe genuine co-operatives need the stimulus this tax concession gives them to create and maintain the necessary expansion and to favour the necessary employment based on agricultural products. I mean genuine agricultural co-operatives. I do not mean the co-operative that sells soap powder or ladies' tights in competition with the man down the main street.

On the question which I mentioned a few minutes ago of practical patriotism I want to refer again to the current bank strike and the pending vote at the delegates' conference of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to be held next Saturday. I want to put aside completely party political considerations. I want to put aside the now universally accepted bungling of the Government in the whole national pay negotiation exercise. I want to put aside, too, the inept handling of the current bank dispute. Even though the Government failed to act in the right way and at the right time, I hope there is still a prospect of remedying the situation. Even though the Government have failed to give an effective lead, I would ask all our people who have jobs, especially those in secure jobs, and all our people who have the means of earning their livelihood by their own efforts, to make some sacrifice at this juncture in the national interest. I ask the bank officials, notwithstanding the manner in which the Government imposed the wage freeze, to suspend their strike and give a chance to the consideration by them of the verdict of an independent assessor on the present bank pay proposals. I suggest they might do that at least until the economy shows some sign of beginning to improve and without prejudice to their reopening wage negotiations at the appropriate time.

I would like to ask the unions who are voting under the banner of the ICTU next Saturday to accept these proposals that are before them and to put aside their immediate interests and concerns, however legitimate they may be. Such an act of practical patriotism on the part of both groups, banks and ICTU unions, would give an example of the kind of leadership and national commitment of which this Coalition is apparently incapable.

Apart from all this, the Government will have to clear their own thinking as to where we are going and how they propose to get there. Fianna Fáil always believed that State enterprise has an important role to play. This has been well established by the many successful State enterprises which were created by and flourished under the Fianna Fáil Government. However, the issue today is not whether there should be total dependence on State enterprise, on the one hand, or private enterprise, on the other, but rather to strike a proper balance between the two.

This discussion is not helped by the confused statements coming from the members of the Coalition, even from within the same party. The former Senator, now Deputy Halligan, had a thesis which is apparently that private enterprise has failed and that we must therefore look to State enterprise to solve all our problems. The Taoiseach's Parliamentary Secretary, Deputy Kelly, shot down this concept at a very early stage, and thus very early as well exposed the dichotomy that exists in the two sections of this Government. But last weekend, in the course of the speech to which I have already referred, the Tánaiste seemed to play a different tune from that already played by Deputy Halligan when the Tánaiste said we cannot rely "solely" on private enterprise to provide the additional employment needed. I would like to know who suggested otherwise than members of his own party. Certainly Fianna Fáil never relied solely on private enterprise, and the record shows this clearly. Fianna Fáil never believed either that the State should assume control of every sector of the economy. The republican ideal implies the independence of the individual and therefore, in the first instance, we belive that individuals must be entrusted with responsibility for their own affairs and only where individual responsibility does not suffice is there a case for State involvement or intervention.

We need both kinds of enterprise, State and private, and the challenge for today and tomorrow is not the dichotomy that obviously exists within the Government ranks but how to strike the acceptable and realistic balance. The present problem is to achieve rapid growth, to reduce unemployment and to restore confidence. To achieve and maintain satisfactory growth means, as we all know, largescale investment. To finance this kind of investment demands, of course, large-scale savings and adequate profits. "Profits" apparently nowadays is a bad word in our society, but we know they are necessary in any society, whether it is socialist or capitalist. One of the real problems now is the failure of the Government to generate the necessary recognition of profits to be ploughed back into investment.

There is no coherent plan, as far as we know, from the Government how this larger cake that we all seek will be produced and how it will be shared out between State and private enterprise. Fianna Fáil have been seeking and still seek to chart the way to provide a proper mix between these two forms of enterprise. Let me say in relation to the lack of planning by the Government how disillusioned so many people have become by the failure of the Government so far to produce any kind of plan or even basic principles.

We were told up to the June budget of 1975 that planning was impossible or unrealistic in the present difficult economic circumstances. The economic circumstances became worse since June, 1976, but nevertheless we were then promised a plan by Christmas. The Minister repeated his promise not of a plan this time but a set of options and not by Christmas but by some time in the New Year. Come the New Year and come the January budget, the Minister repeated the suggestion of the options or the Green Paper, or whatever colour he wanted it to be, coming out shortly. The Dáil is now coming to its summer recess. The Green Paper or the plan has not appeared. We would like to believe that it might appear or at least that the set of options might appear some time in the autumn. Then it will be for the commentators or the different vocational groups to indicate what kind of options they would prefer, and then the Government may or may not act on one or more of the options.

I want to repeat that we have consistently and even recently tried to chart the way for this country to make reasonable and adequate economic progress. We already have the State-owned companies such as Bord na Móna, the ESB and others. We have as well the 100 per cent privately-owned companies. We believe there is a necessity—and we published our proposals in this respect —for mixed ownership, that is, enterprises with worker participation and also industrial co-operatives which would be worker managed. Because we believe that industrial democracy is vital if industry is to progress democratically and with a genuine level of participation between management and employees, we published a discussion document on worker participation in Irish industry some months ago.

Our proposals were radical and inventive and, I would say, a long way ahead of the limited form of industrial democracy, if one can call it that, contained in the proposals to be put before the Dáil in the Bill yet, as far as I know, to be drafted, certainly yet to be published, on worker representation on State boards. Our proposals were intended as a first step towards achieving more participation at all levels both in the public and the private sectors. We accept fully that workers by virtue of their labour inputs, have rights in running and developing the prosperity and future of Irish industrial enterprises. We want to see these workers having a real say in the effective management of their firms. This document has been widely circulated. It is realistic and radical.

I want to refer to these matters specifically because of the allegations we have heard so often that Fianna Fáil have no proposals and no policies. I want to refer to a few of them as I go along. In my Ard-Fheis speech, as far back as February of this year, I said:

One new source of enterprise we would specifically like to encourage is workers' enterprise. We would give State financial bodies such as the Industrial Credit Company and Fóir Teoranta the power to supply funds for workers who could develop self-managed firms. We would do this, not only as one way of encouraging badly needed employment opportunities, but also as a way of promoting a valuable experiment in industrial democracy, with worker participation in the fullest sense of that term.

We have the four methods, two of which are in existence, whereby we believe that the necessary impetus can be given to the expansion of employment in the country. The opportunity of worker participation and worker management on a co-operative basis is consistent with the republican ideal of the maximum responsibility to the individual rather than hand over entirely to nameless planners and faceless officers.

I repeat what I said at the Fianna Fáil Ard-Fheis that we will encourage enterprise from any source. All this provides for the different mix of employment the Irish people would aspire to. This may not be as easy and as neat as the ideologists would like but it is, I believe, consistent with giving the individual the widest possible freedom and would give as well to the individual the kind of encouragement for enterprise which he needs. As we know, a lot of enterprise can be choked off and is being choked off in the bureaucratic inertia of large State agencies. As well as that it is right, in the kind of mixed economy we have, that we should not have all the eggs of that mixed economy in one basket because one catastrophe can bring the whole lot down and we can never insulate ourselves, as we know at present, against world conditions. We can provide the means of overcoming them if we have the will which apparently this Government do not have.

In relation to the suggestions about Fianna Fáil policies we have produced policies on health, an extensive and comprehensive one, on the status of women and our policy on youth has been fully enunciated. We are still waiting for any indication of Government policy in this respect. In relation to youth I put forward specific suggestions in my Ard-Fheis speech as to how at least some of those who would be coming off the school-leaving conveyor belt, young people leaving secondary and tertiary education this year, could be engaged in community work. We have indicated how home ownership could be increased. Again, I refer to my Ard-Fheis speech when I said:

The Coalition have abolished grants for the majority of house buyers. We suggested grants of up to £1,000 for people buying a home for the first time and a special scheme of low-interest inflationlinked mortgages which would halve the monthly mortgage repayments in the early years, as a way of helping thousands of young couples to buy their own homes, and as a way of giving a valuable boost to the building industry.

In this connection we have at an advanced stage an exercise on how we can provide a home loans fund with a flexible arrangement for suitable mortgages for people in different financial circumstances.

Our general policy on local government was enunciated in our document, "Local Government, 1974". We still believe in the concept of that document even though the Minister for Local Government has rejected it out of hand, even perhaps without examination. Before I leave local government generally, I want to say that I cannot understand, with the normal span of preparing plans for housing, for producing and providing the necessary finance to start, how the Minister for Local Government can still claim credit for the first year, not to mention the first three years, in office of having reached record figures in house building. Whatever about this year, he certainly could not claim much credit for what happened in the summer and autumn of 1973 and the spring of 1974.

Yesterday, in the cross-fire about this subject, the Minister mentioned something about Fianna Fáil taking seven years to complete a scheme and I was reported as having said specifically and categorically that I admitted to being lethargic. What I was saying was, for the purpose of the argument, assuming we were lethargic, and that it might have taken seven years, was that not an indication that most of the houses built in the first three years of the Minister's regime were planned and financed by Fianna Fáil? However, I am leaving that aside for the moment. No doubt, the Minister, having taken notes, will come to it but we will be watching him as he is watching me.

I mentioned that we have under review the preparation of plans for easier mortgages to facilitate greater home ownership, especially among young people. We have, too, at an advanced stage an economic plan—I would say much more advanced than the Government have—that will chart the way in the late seventies and the eighties for our economy so that the people will know what to aspire to, what the reasonable attainments are and what a Government with unity of purpose think as to how these aims can be achieved.

Much of what I have said is by no means our final thoughts. I would like to contrast all this with what the Government have been doing. I want, for example, to refer specifically to the failure to produce legislation which was specifically promised not just when the Government took office but almost consistently since then. What has become of the legislation on mergers and monopolies? We were told that the Fianna Fáil proposals were inadequate. Then the Minister apparently had second thoughts and regarded them as reasonably adequate but needed a little touching up here and there. We still have not seen any proposals on mergers and monopolies from the Minister for Industry and Commerce who then appeared to be in such a hurry that he could not get enough legislation out quick enough. I can only say the same about prices. He has not added a line to the legislation on prices that was in existence before he came to office, notwithstanding his criticism of the lack of that kind of legislation as appropriate legislation under Fianna Fáil

Might I ask the Minister for Local Government again what has become of the proposed action on the Kenny Report on the acquisition of land for building purposes? That report is some 2½ years old—in fact, it is over three years old, now that I come to think of it—and yet we have not seen any indication of what the Government are thinking in this respect.

I want to know what has happened to the legislation to deal with the reform proposals on higher education that were also published as far back as 1974. Where is the specific hospitals plan? The Minister for Health came into the House with a set of vague proposals, leaving some of the county hospitals still in a state of utter confusion.

I refer again to the economic plan. When can we expect to see it and in what form? If it is published by the autumn may I ask how long more will it be before the Green Paper becomes a White Paper? How long more will it be before industrialists and entrepreneurs and workers can see the way forward for our economy as charted by the Government? Yet critics who obviously are disillusioned by the performance of this Coalition Government but reluctant to admit it, still keep asking: “Where are the Fianna Fáil policies?” It is far more relevant and appropriate for them to ask “Where are the Government's policies, and where is the legislation to which they were committed?”

Deputies

Hear, hear.

I need only take specific examples of failure to act in time and in the right way. I recall again their failure to act at the right time when we proposed the use of the green £, the Government acting eight months too late and causing a reduction of £30 million in the income of farmers in that period. It is easy for the Taoiseach to say now that cattle prices are buoyant, but the cattle population is declining, and this is the real test and this is what will have to be remedied in time. Could I ask him, too, what other remedies or proposals have they in relation to damping down the rate of inflation, damping down or controlling in some way prices to ensure that pay packets will continue in some way to be value for the notes and silver contained in them?

May I revert to our proposal in the autumn of 1974 of the introduction of subsidies? In our opinion this could have saved thousands of jobs. It could have been linked with the pay negotiations then in existence and it could have brought about the necessary period of stability required at the time and could have broken the price and inflation spiral. But this was not done, perhaps only because Fianna Fáil had proposed it. The Government neglected their duty, perhaps purely for party political purposes.

I do not want to continue in this vein. I have put forward our ideas on how our economy might be produced. I have indicated that we are willing to support the Government in reasonable measures that will tend to maintain the value of pay packets in relation to prices, reasonable measures to contain inflation. I was amused to hear the Taoiseach say in his list of priorities of policy, that the creation of employment means that we must reduce our rate of inflation, and he continued: "So far we have been reasonably successful in this." May I suggest if that is what the Taoiseach describes as success, the worst rate of inflation in Europe, a rate of inflation that bids fair to be double, even treble that which is likely to be operative in Britain in the years ahead, then it is no wonder the country is in the state it is.

As far as this motion for the adjournment is concerned, we believe it is untimely. I admit that, like the Government Deputies, we would like holidays as early as possible. The country knows that a Deputy's work does not commence or end when the Dáil sits or adjourns, on any day, in any week or in any session. Fianna Fáil Deputies appreciate as much as Deputies on the Coalition side whatever pleasures a recess of the Dáil can bring. We like to have the opportunity, as everybody else does, of enjoying the more pleasant days of July and having more time with our families and our friends. But I regret that with the present specific issues that face the country and the general economic conditions that we have, this is no time to adjourn the Dáil. There is an amendment standing in my name asking that we do not adjourn on tomorrow at the conclusion of business until the middle of October but that we adjourn until next Wednesday. By then we will know whether or not there will be agreement on the national pay proposals.

In this area I want to put one question to the Government. They found it necessary at the end of last week to introduce in one day a guillotine motion and legislation imposing a wage freeze on bank pay. I hope there is agreement next Saturday and I have publicly urged with whatever influence I, as Leader of a party representing the electoral affiliations of almost 50 per cent of the country, possess, that they would come to an agreement and accept the proposals. But if they do not and if a free-for-all follows sooner or later, more likely sooner, if a strong union negotiates a settlement which this Government regard as unacceptable, and if at that time we be in recess—as we apparently will because the Government have the necessary voting strength— what will the Government do about it? Will they recall the Dáil to push through again a wage freeze in relation to that union or unions?

These are the kinds of considerations that this Government must keep before them and from which they appear to be running away. I repeat that we would enjoy our holidays as much as the Government Deputies would, but we regard the excuse that a three-anda-half months' recess is necessary because that is the time needed for the floor boards in the ante-room to the Seanad to be repaired as flimsy an excuse as the flimsy Government policies under which the country is operating and declining at present.

Will the Deputy formally move his amendment?

I move the amendment in my name:

To delete "13th October" and substitute "7th July".

Listening to the Leader of the Opposition, the thought ran through my mind that the people of the country must have made a very big mistake not to have changed the Government 16 years ago, because with all the wonderful policies Fianna Fáil have thought up since they went into Opposition, life should be wonderful now.

The country was when you got hold of it.

When Fianna Fáil were in office they did not do the wonderful things Deputy Lynch has thought up now. I am grateful to him for his request to the trade unionists to vote for the National Pay Agreement, if that is what he meant. It is rather late, because the ballot is now over.

He made that statement publicly already.

Acting Chairman

The Minister must be allowed to make his speech without interruption.

And tell the truth.

I can carry on the debate in a reasoned way, but if the Opposition want to make comments like that I can return in kind, as the Deputy well knows.

I made the request long ago. I do not know whether the voting has been concluded absolutely.

I accept that, and I hope it will have the necessary effect. Some people know the situation in regard to national ballots, whether the question put will be carried or rejected. It is a matter we could have a long debate on and it has been going on among trade unionists for several weeks. The Leader of the Opposition suggested that because there was a substantial increase in the cost of living which would take away all the value of pay increases, he would not blame people for doing certain things. That more or less counteracts what he suggested when he requested trade unionists to vote for a National Wage Agreement.

I said that before, too.

He did, and the Leader of the Opposition loses no opportunity to try to cause as much trouble as possible for the Government. There is a saying that the goat is either coming from doing trouble or going to do trouble. This has been the line adopted by the Opposition since the last general election. It could be understood in the first few months because then they thought they would be back early, but after three years they should have realised that will not happen.

It must surprise those not aware of the way things are run in Parliament to find a group of grown men and women debating whether an adjournment of the House should take place in view of the fact that the adjournment date itself was discussed for some time and agreement was reached as to the hour when it would take place, and the business was ordered accordingly.

That is not correct.

There is no point in saying it is not true. The Whips met as they have always met——

The Minister's statement is not true.

The Government Whip is behind me and I want to repeat——

Notice taken that 20 Members were not present; House counted and 20 Members being present,

I was listening to the debate and to what the Minister said. The Parliamentary Secretary to the Taoiseach can hear this if he wants to. It is only fair for the Opposition Whips to say that all the suggestions about the adjournment of the Dáil came from the Parliamentary Secretary—those suggestions were made by him. There was not at any stage any formal agreement as far as we are concerned that we would rise tomorrow. The Parliamentary Secretary can make it clear that he was informed by us at least a week ago that we were not in agreement that the Dáil should adjourn tomorrow.

I accept Deputy Browne's statement that their Whips at all points said they were contesting the adjournment. What the Minister was saying is that down through the years——

That is not what the Minister said.

I appeal to the Chair please, to get order so that I can make my statement——

Make your excuses.

I made my excuses to the Deputy in Ballyfermot and he knows the result.

Acting Chairman

The Minister's time is limited and he must be allowed to continue without interruption.

Lies, repetition.

Your whole life is a lie.

They have to say something by way of interrupting because they will not be allowed to make speeches. It would appear to outsiders that this House has this ritual of opposing the adjournment although everybody wants the adjournment. We have had it at the end of July in recent years and everybody in the House complained that they wanted to go on holidays, that their wives and children wanted to get their holidays and that the children would be back at school before the Dáil rose, and it was always hoped a way would be found to bring the adjournment date forward. This year, with the early budget and so forth, we have brought it forward, but we have the position today that the adjournment is being contested and there is to be a vote against it tomorrow. They are perfectly entitled to do it and I am not contesting that it should be done. However, all of us know we want the Dáil to adjourn and we are giving the impression that that is not so. We will leave it at that.

It is true the other side indicated opposition to the adjournment and the Minister has been throwing a doubt on their sincerity——

That is not right. His statement was that the day and the hour of the adjournment of the House had been agreed between the Whips.

Let me repeat what I said. I said that the business of this House was so arranged that the date and the hour of adjournment was agreed; this is what happened and Deputies cannot get away from it.

We know that the Minister——

Deputy Fitzgerald is muttering under his breath. If he wants to say something he should stand up and say it. Muttering under your breath in this House is not a good exercise because somebody might hear you and eventually you might have to answer for it. It is a very bad practice and Deputies should not try it.

Does the Minister want me to repeat what I said?

I do not care whether the Deputy does or not.

I did not deliberately mutter under my breath. I am quite prepared to repeat what I said.

Acting Chairman

Deputies will have an opportunity to contribute to this debate. The Minister must be allowed to continue.

Did Fianna Fáil not get their answer in Ballyfermot, Donegal and Mayo? What do they want? We will take them on anywhere they want.

Acting Chairman

The Minister must be allowed to continue——

Will Fianna Fáil accept defeat?

Acting Chairman

——without interruption.

The Leader of the Opposition started to tell us what Fianna Fáil's policies were. I thought I was about to hear their policies even though a few weeks ago I understand he was complaining that he did not want to take them out from under wraps because we might steal them and use them ourselves. Then I thought there must have been a change of heart and we were now to get the policies Fianna Fáil had hidden away, policies which the think-tank had prepared for them. There must be nothing in the think-tank during this fine weather except a few minnows which are not surviving. What he produced here were points he had made at the Ard-Fheis. Fianna Fáil must realise by now that a great deal of attention was not paid to what he or anybody else said at the Ard-Fheis. If it had been, Fianna Fáil would not have suffered the electoral defeats they have since suffered.

The situation is simply this. Fianna Fáil cannot tell us that they have the solution to all the problems when we and the country know that all the time they were in office they did not try to find them. One of the criticisms which is being levelled at us by the Opposition—and their members down the country keep repeating it as if this Government had introduced it—concerns the use of State cars. To hear some of the Fianna Fáil people talking one would think that this Government invented State cars and that they were never used before. The second point is State pensions for Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries. Fianna Fáil act as if we had introduced these pensions, that they had never been introduced before and that none, of the people in the opposite benches was drawing them. The level at which Fianna Fáil are now attempting to conduct the debate is so low that it is hardly worth commenting on. As the Leader of the Opposition said in another context, if one repeats these statements often enough, somebody will believe them. It is not surprising that when this kind of statement is repeated over and over again people get the impression that this Government have done these things when, in fact, they were the practice down through the years and were always carried on.

I was very interested in Deputy Lynch's comment on workers' participation. When did he think of that? This is an important matter which has been operating successfully on the Continent for a number of years. Why did he not bring out something tangible during his period as Taoiseach? Why did his Government not do anything about it? Why did he have to wait until he was out of office before he started throwing out half-baked ideas about what he thought should be done with regard to workers' participation in industry? Then he tied this up in some way with the republican ideal. It has been some time since we heard Fianna Fáil using the idea of the republican ideal. Apparently they are getting back to it again. On Fianna Fáil election posters we used to read "Fianna Fáil, the Republican Party".

We still have it

It must be very small because it was not to be seen in Ballyfermot or Donegal. Deputy Lynch was talking about the differing views of the two parties in the Coalition as if there was a big split. He should remember that there never was such a split as that which occurred in the Fianna Fáil Party some years ago. At that time we saw what was happening but he, the Taoiseach, did not know what was happening in his own Government. Since they have been out of office, how many times have there been two wings—the hawks and the doves—who are at times hardly talking to each other? Yet, the person who is leading that party had the nerve to suggest that there is a split here because two members of the Coalition were prepared to offer what could be described as divergent views. There are two parties in this Coalition. While we have a unified Government, that does not mean we have to speak with one voice on every subject. We are entitled to personal opinions on any subject and nobody stops us airing our views on them although Fianna Fáil, in their time, attempted to keep their party in line. Many comments were made——

What about the liaison of the left?

You can have them for nothing if you want them. You know more about them than I do.

Did you not meet them in Ballyfermot?

(Interruptions.)

The Leader of the Opposition wanted to know what was happening to the local government policy which Fianna Fáil introduced in 1974. I think he meant an earlier date, but I will let that pass. We have a Local Government Bill almost ready. I want to repeat that there will be no execution of the 42 small local authorities Fianna Fáil proposed to wipe out. They can rest assured that as far as I am concerned they will stay and when this legislation passes through the House it will remain for a long time. Deputy Tunney, usually a very sensible man, will find that there will be quite a number of innovations which will materially assist areas such as the area he represents. I am quite sure when the time comes that he will agree with me.

In addition to that, we have returned to the local authorities local democracy which was taken away bit by bit by Fianna Fáil. It had reached the stage where they could not sign a letter without first asking the permission of the Custom House. Those days have gone and they will never return because nobody would accept that it would be right that there should be a directive handed down from central Government for every little thing a local authority want to do. That has finished and we will never see it again, no matter who is in the Department of Local Government.

What about the rent increases?

I am glad the Deputy mentioned the rent increases because——

The claw-back.

I will talk about the claw-back in a minute if I have time. Do not forget that Deputy Dowling— I want to repeat this—whether he spoke or not was on the deputation which came to me from the Dublin City Commissioners and one of the items was that there should be a claw-back over five years. He was present but he did not object.

I was not on that deputation. The Minister is telling a deliberate lie in the House. There were two members of the party on the deputation. The Minister is a deliberate liar and this is not the first occasion. I challenge the Minister to produce the minutes of that meeting.

Order, please. The Deputy must withdraw that remark.

The Minister will not get away with lies. I challenge the Minister to produce the minutes of the meeting.

If Deputy Dowling says he was not one of the two Fianna Fáil TDs who were present at that meeting, I will accept his word.

You are into a second haymaker this evening.

I would like to point out that I am not a liar.

The Minister made a positive statement.

(Interruptions.)

On a point of order.

The Minister has already been accused of indiscretions in the past.

Deputy Coughlan has not a point of order. I will keep order. I would ask Deputy Dowling, in view of what the Minister said, to withdraw his allegation and statement that the Minister is a liar.

What am I to withdraw?

As I understand it, Deputy Dowling stated that the Minister told a deliberate lie. I want the Deputy to withdraw that remark.

The Minister made a positive statement that I was one of the people on the deputation.

That is right, I did. If Deputy Dowling says he was not, I will accept his word.

The Minister did not say "if", he said I was one of the people.

Does the Deputy withdraw that remark?

Withdraw that remark. Does Deputy Dowling withdraw the remark or not?

Will the Deputy withdraw the remark, please, in view of the Minister's statement?

I withdraw the remark for the purposes of proceeding with the debate, but it does not alter what I think—the man is a stranger to the truth.

I will repeat again that it was not from this side of the House that people were proved in court of law as having told untruths in this House. I want to make it very clear that as far as I am concerned nobody has proved and nobody can prove that I tell lies because I do not and if Deputy Dowling likes I will withdraw the statement, but I will not allow Deputy Dowling or anybody else in the Fianna Fáil benches to say that I am a liar. If I make a mistake, I will withdraw as I have done.

That is fair enough. If you got away with it, it was all right.

It takes a man to do that and if you are not a man you will not do that. You will try to make an argument out of it.

I did not make an argument of it.

A member of our benches was never accused of being a perjurer.

We had a comment from Deputy Dowling about the claw-back. The claw-back was introduced when the 1973 purchase scheme was introduced which was much better than the scheme which Fianna Fáil had voted for. When I changed the system I was requested by the Dublin City Commissioners' deputation and by NATO to put in a proviso which would prevent for five years tenants who had purchased their houses under the new cheap scheme from selling them at a profit. Fianna Fáil had previously introduced a system for local authority houses throughout the country that not alone would people have to pay one-third of the profit, which is laid out in the claw-back, but one-third of the price they got for the house. Fianna Fáil supported this scheme and there was no question of objecting to the idea that it was the right thing to do.

The scheme was accepted by Labour, Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil.

When you thump your breast and talk of a claw-back you should remember that this is the score, and that the claw-back did not gain many votes in Ballyfermot in the last election. Reference was made to the rents, and today's Times reports that Deputy Dowling said that all local authority rents are being increased as from the 1st July. This is nonsense. There are about 108,000 local authority rented dwellings. Of these 29,000 are let at fixed rents and none of these will be altered. The balance, 79,000 houses, are let on differential rents. Roughly 40 per cent are at rents below the maximum and none of these rents will be increased in July.

It is possible that some of the 47,500 now on the present maximum of the rents scale will remain on the existing rent scale. In other words, more than 60,000 tenants out of a 108,000 will not have to pay increased rents from the 1st July. So far as the adjustment of maximum rents is concerned, this is intended to cater for increases since July, 1973, in the cost of maintenance and management. This increase was a fundamental part of the new differential scheme introduced by the Coalition in 1973 to replace the grossly unfair scheme imposed by Fianna Fáil which had led to widespread rent strikes by local authority tenants. The conditions were agreed to by the National Association of Tenants Organisations. The fact is that tenants have had a three-year period in which maximum rents on existing scales were not increased. Under Fianna Fáil the maximum was increased every year in many instances. The Government have been criticised for increasing from 50 to 100 per cent the amount of shortterm unemployment benefit which is assessed for differential rent purposes. This was part of a necessary budgetary move to deal with the intolerable situation in which an unemployed man could often find himself better off than when he was working. The Leader of the Opposition was very glib here today when he talked about what he called "the dole mentality". He said that it was wrong that people should get more.

Deputies

He did not.

That is the third time the Minister is wrong this evening.

The Leader of the Opposition referred to the dole mentality and he talked about people who were getting more in unemployment benefit than they were when they were working.

The Minister is wrong. Check the record of the House.

All right we will have to check the records when they come along. If he was not talking about that, why was he talking about the dole mentality?

He wanted the people to get back to work.

It is easily known that the Deputy is not terribly long in this House. I remember when in this country we had 135,000 unemployed and Fianna Fáil were in power. I also remember that when we took over from Fianna Fáil there were almost 70,000 people on the unemployed register and there were between 40,000 and 50,000 people leaving the country every year for Britain. If you add all that together, you will find that the situation now is not what Fianna Fáil would like to make it out to be. Certainly, I do not like to see so many people unemployed but if Fianna Fáil were in office not alone would they be unemployed but they would be a lot worse off than they are at present.

Look at the Department of Local Government: it is a disgrace.

Fianna Fáil were the people who would ensure that there was no question of people being able to get as much as they could live on. When Fianna Fáil were in power not alone did they literally take the shirts off the backs of the unfortunate council tenants but if they attempted to buy their houses they had to pay replacement value for them. Deputy Lynch talked about the number of houses which Fianna Fáil were building, that he gave me responsibility for. I would like to point out to him that there was not enough money to build 4,000 local authority houses in the budget which they were preparing when we took over from them. Deputy Lynch has the nerve to tell us that there were going to be extra houses and that we were simply building not alone what they had prepared but provided the money for. They were not able to provide the money when they were in office. I still have that document which was produced by Fianna Fáil in November, 1972, which talked about the big upsurge there would be in housing and which said that coming up to the 1980s things would have improved so well that we would probably require about 18,000 new houses per year if the country could afford them. Those people have a nerve to talk about a drop-off in any type of building. In addition, we did not hear much today about the rates they were to take off houses. Do not forget that in the 1972 document, although it was only a couple of months before the election, just as in the election manifesto, there was no reference whatever to rates. It seems that just three days before the election they thought of it.

Debate adjourned.
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