Skip to main content
Normal View

Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 3 Nov 1976

Vol. 293 No. 7

Economic and Social Policies: Motion (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That Dáil Éireann expresses satisfaction with the Government's economic and social policies.
—(Minister for Labour).

I want to impress upon the Government the necessity to take a look at the SDA loans scheme by which local authorities are empowered to issue loans for the purchase of houses. At the moment the loan limit is £4,500 and the income limit is £2,350. This figure was last revised by the Government in May, 1973, when the average price of a house which would qualify for a loan was about £5,000. Today the average price of a house is £8,000 and yet the loan and the income limits are unchanged. It is almost impossible for a couple to accept the local authority loan and find £3,500 to make up the deposit on an £8,000 house if one considers that a person with over £46 per week will not qualify. Building societies will give a higher loan, but recently the interest rate for loans from building societies has risen to 14 per cent. Not alone that, but a fortnight ago a leading building society in Dublin announced that they would take no more loan applications.

The third alternative for people seeking houses is to go on the local authority housing list, but the situation here is also hopeless, because in Dublin alone there are over 8,000 families on the waiting list, despite the good record of Dublin Corporation in building houses. It is hard to understand why the Government will not inject the necessary capital into housing so that the much needed dwellings can be prepared. Such a financial injection would take many building craftsmen off the unemployment register, and they could work on the provision of houses for the people. Some time ago the Minister for Local Government said he was able to take money from the SDA fund, thereby implying that there is too much there. The money is there, but the point is that it is too dear for people to borrow it. Those who can afford to take it would not qualify because their incomes would be too high.

The Government should recognise the need of young couples who are brave enough to try to set up house for themselves. They simply cannot do it. I appeal to the Minister and to the Government to be realistic and to provide the necessary finances, which would also boost the building trade. Fewer and fewer couples are availing of the SDA loans. In Dublin in 1975, 182 loans were issued for new houses to people who qualified. In the course of nine months this year only 42 were issued. The SDA scheme also provides loans for older houses, and last year Dublin Corporation issued 590 loans and for nine months this year only about 200 were issued. It is no wonder that the construction industry is depressed. The private sector, which is the biggest section in relation to house construction, is being starved of the necessary money which would keep the building construction industry going. Unemployment of building workers is rising all the time. The Government could provide enough money to get the SDA scheme going as it should be going if they wanted to. One can readily appreciate the dilemma of a young couple taking a loan from a building society who were informed last week or so that the interest rates are rising to just 14 per cent. I know a case where a young couple were paying £25 per week in repayments to a building society and that was before the recent increases. If we are to have a decent standard of living, proper housing is a basic need. The Government are watching the housing construction industry grind to a halt because of the lack of finance. The people who borrow SDA loans are willing to take their share of the burden; they do not want anything for nothing. They are a great asset to our society but they are being deprived of this basic right to have proper housing by the amazing indifference of the Government towards this most pressing need.

I find it very hard to understand that any Government would deny money to the housing and construction industry. The building industry is the catalyst to prosperity. If you keep the building trade going, you keep many ancillary industries going. Look at the figures for unemployment today. In the past two years in the private sector there has been a drop in employment in the trade of almost 15,000 people. In fact, 25 per cent of the total work force in the private sector have become unemployed. This has many repercussions, apart from the drop in the number of houses being built, and that number has dropped considerably. Whether it is in Dublin city or county or Cork city and county, there is the same picture of a fall in housing figures, more people forced onto local waiting lists, and the building societies refusing, in one case at least, to accept any more applications.

Was there ever such a gloomy picture of the housing and construction industry? Any figures I have given here this morning are taken from the official statistics. I take no pleasure in pointing out the gloomy scene on the housing front. I would much prefer to be here offering praise for the steps being taken to boost that industry and keep it going at its maximum capacity. In the official figures issued by the Government one can see only a picture of gloom. We on this side of the House may be accused of spreading gloom, but we are doing no such thing.

If quoting official figures of unemployment in the housing and construction industries, or the fall off in the number of houses being built, or the number of applications for SDA loans, or the fact that building societies would not accept any further applications, is spreading gloom, we must lay the blame for that gloom firmly on the doorstep of the Government who pretend everything is going well and that there is enough money for housing, even though we can use their own figures to show there is not. The Government are offering no hope to young families who are battling to meet their repayments. If they have a loan from a building society, they see their mortgage rate increasing almost annually. If they go to the local authorities for an SDA loan, they may not earn over £46 a week. You do not have to be an economist to realise that, if you are trying to repay an £8,000 loan on £46 a week, you will not be able to eat very much.

The Government now have a glorious opportunity to show their election promises had some little degree of sincerity. They promised to provide adequate moneys to sustain the housing drive, and not only to sustain it but to increase it. Their strange silence on this matter so far gives no hope to anyone who is interested in the housing drive, whether as a borrower or as a person interested in the social aspect of housing. The deafening silence of the Government on the lack of housing finance is to be wondered at.

As I said earlier, one does not have to be an economist to recognise that the housing and construction industry in general is a barometer for the economic elements. If the Government want to see what they are doing, I suggest they should look at the housing figures. When Fianna Fáil were in office I said I would judge them by their progress on the housing front. Be it said that Fianna Fáil never allowed a shortage of money to hold up the housing drive. They had their difficulties, too, but they found the money and they built the houses. They kept as many craftsmen as possible at work in the building industry. If, as is generally hinted, people in the construction industry are pro-Fianna Fáil, that is so because they got a fair deal from Fianna Fáil Governments throughout the years.

The housing and construction industry is now grinding to a halt and no effort is being made by the Government to prevent that drift to chaos. I appeal to the Government to inject sufficient money into that industry so that it can progress at a rate which will give some hope to the people who want to be housed. Too many of our people are still living in unfit housing conditions. It is the Government's duty to ensure that those conditions are alleviated.

This is supposed to be a serious debate on the economy, but really it is very difficult to accept that it is being so regarded by the Opposition when one listens to Deputy Moore telling the House the building industry is grinding to a halt.

At the end of the present year, that is, after four years of the present Government in office, it will be shown that no less than 100,000 houses have been built. Previously, the best four years ever for Fianna Fáil produced 60,000 houses. This is an indication of the seriousness of the Opposition in this whole debate. What they are seeking is not an opportunity to seriously discuss the economy and make worthwhile recommendations, but an opportunity to criticise the Government and, I am sorry to have to say, to dishonestly criticise the performance of the Government.

We have been through probably the most difficult period in the history of this country, a period when the Government had to provide enormous sums of money, not only to carry on the services, as Deputy Moore has said, but to expand substantially housing output, to expand substantially the services necessary to keep such housing output going, and to do what we promised to do, as he says, in our election promises, to increase substantially social welfare benefits to the less fortunate people in this community.

No Government, I suppose, can be described as faultless but, if this Government are to be faulted, it is because we have gone too far too quickly. We have gone so far in the social welfare area that we are now open to the criticism that there are abuses in this area. Of course there are abuses in this area. I would say they are much more limited than people generally say, but there are abuses, and there will always be abuses. We certainly have done more for the poorer classes than any previous Government, and nobody can deny this. Of course changes are needed. We all know what is wrong. To say we have no plans and no policy is absolute nonsense. We know what is wrong and the Opposition know what is wrong. We do not need any McKinseys to tell us what is wrong. We do not need to go outside the country for advice. It is too obvious to everybody.

What must be changed is people's attitudes. How will we change attitudes? We talk about restraint. The Opposition talk about the need for restraint. We all know restraint is needed. How do we get people to accept this? How are we to rectify a situation where a lot of people are unemployed and a few unofficial strikers perhaps can keep 1,000 people out of an industry and where it takes so long to settle this sort of dispute? We are trying to put people into jobs. A simple, frivolous disagreement within an industry can have people walking up and down at the gate and have 700 or 800 or 1,000 families in a very poor way arising from this and can have a loss of very substantial export orders and earnings and perhaps can do irreparable harm in individual industries.

These are attitudes that have to be changed, that we all know need to be changed. The Opposition talk about strong action. We can have all the strong action we want, but in a democracy people can change all this. It is unfortunate that that is so, but that is the position we are confronted with and what we have to accept. At such a time as this there is great responsibility on trade unions and on leadership of trade unions, great responsibility on management, on industry and on the entrepreneurs in industry.

It is time for resolving that the only way we can get out of the difficulties here is through hard work and dedication to the job and not through criticising the Government. We have an enormous capacity in this country for criticising the other fellow; it is always somebody else's fault. The most recent attitude is "Borrow another £100 million to put people into employment, another £100 million to give higher prices for reactors". It is the solution all the time. One of the sets of people who are criticising us for borrowing too much will in the next breath tell us to borrow more, that this is the solution to the country's problems.

However the problems are not nearly as great as the Opposition would like us to accept for their own party political reasons. Everybody knows that things are improving, but everybody knows at the same time that continued restraint is necessary. We are in the best country in Europe and we have the greatest opportunities in Europe if we get down to the job and do it. But it is well known that the world is now recovering from the most serious and severe recession in the post-war era. Along with our partners in the EEC our recovery from the recession has been better than we anticipated at the beginning of the present year. Our growth rate this year is now expected to reach 3 per cent, or perhaps, some people say, 4 per cent, and it should increase further next year. Our external position is very strong. Last year our balance of payments position was exceptionally good. Our external reserves are still increasing. We have come through the recession with our underlying economic strength in sound heart.

In this debate I want to concentrate particularly on the industry for which I am most responsible. Let me remind the House how important agriculture is to the economy as a whole. Directly or indirectly, half our total work force is employed in the agricultural sector; 42 per cent of our exports are farm produce. These are last year's records; they are there and cannot be contradicted. Almost 20 per cent of GNP comes directly from agriculture and at least as much again from the many economic activities related to agriculture. The growth record of agriculture over the last five years has been outstanding, with a net growth rate of 5½ per cent per annum. This growth in the agricultural sector has brought a substantial measure of prosperity to our rural areas. Total family farm incomes rose last year by 50 per cent to a record £483 million. That is no mean performance by an industry that is regularly criticised by a lot of people. Over the past three years farm incomes per head have more than doubled and there will be a substantial further increase in the present year. This prosperity is showing itself in the large increase in investments by farmers in land improvements, buildings, machinery and livestock. A prosperous agricultural sector depends on access to markets at realistic prices. Now at least we have that access.

What did the Minister say we had?

Access to markets at realistic prices.

To the European market?

Did the duty of 30p a £ on our rates——?

That is part of the difficulties that we have to contend with, but the Deputy will get an opportunity——

Let us hear the Minister out. There is a time limit to speeches in this debate. Interruptions are unwelcome.

Our membership of the European Community has brought welcome improvements to the prices a farmer is paid for his produce, despite what Deputy Gibbons has said about this NCA payment that none of us is happy about and we are trying to remove it.

This year the creamery milk price is expected to average almost 35p per gallon, three times the 1970 level. Good quality cattle are making £30 a hundredweight and in some cases more. I am not making the case that of course costs have increased and very substantially, but so also have profits, thanks be to God. Of course consumers in Ireland have now to pay an economic price for their food. The Government, however, are making every effort to help the consumer by very large subsidies on the basic foodstuffs. In the budget this year we provided over £37 million to cushion the consumer against increases in the prices of bread, flour, milk and dairy produce. These are very substantial subsidies.

I would like to say something about food prices and the problems of the green £. There seems to be a view that the EEC are deliberately setting out to raise food prices through the operation of the green £ mechanism. In fact the opposite is the case. If the effect of the continued devaluation of sterling were to go unchecked by the green £ mechanism, the increase in food prices would be far more serious. We are an agricultural exporting nation with farm products comprising 42 per cent of our total exports. Because of this we lose from that part of the common agricultural policy which seeks to negative the benefits that a depreciating currency gives to export earnings. The loss to farmers is an obvious and immediate one. However we must not forget that we as a nation are also poorer as a result and the effects are felt throughout all sections of the community.

It must be borne in mind that the continued depreciation of the £ confers substantial benefits on that part of our industrial sector which is export-orientated. In fact the gains to exporting industry are greater than the gains to the farmer because the green £ is still 25 per cent above current market value of sterling and this unfortunately is increasing. I want to make it absolutely clear that the industrialist and the industrial worker concerned with selling their produce abroad are enjoying a greater benefit from the devaluation of sterling than is the farmer on whom a monetary tax of over 25 per cent is imposed on his exports. This is something that is not clearly understood, and every time there is an adjustment in the green £ people think that farmers in this country are getting something that is not their due. At the same time the increase in food prices resulting from the recent green £ will add only .7 per cent to the consumer price index. That is a very small increase in relation to increases in prices of other goods and in wages and salaries. The increases in food prices will add only a few shillings to the budget of the ordinary household but, at the same time, the green £ will add £40 million——

That is moonshine and the Minister knows it.

The Deputy can continue to say that but the experts have estimated this. The people who are paid to estimate these matters say that there will be a minimum of £40 million extra in exports.

Will the Minister state what is the MCA on a beast going to the mainland of Europe? It is £90——

I have already asked that interruptions would cease.

The Deputy does not feel any stronger on this——

The Minister is being provocative.

The Minister must be allowed to make his speech in his own way.

I want to give the House the maximum information in the shortest possible time——

But not misinformation, please.

I have said the green £ will add £40 million—that is the estimate of the experts in this area. It will enable farmers to keep more in step with the increases in wages and salaries in other sectors. We must recognise that the current monetary situation is giving rise to serious concern about the future of the common agriculture policy. Commissioner Lardinois has recently put forward proposals for the elimination of monetary taxes on agricultural trade within the Community. This would be possible if the green £ were brought into line with the value of sterling on the money markets. Ideally this would come about if sterling were stronger and appreciating in value. If this happened MCAs could be eliminated without any adverse effect on consumer prices. However, if sterling remains weak it will be necessary to adjust the green £ to bring it into line if we are to get the full benefit of participation in the CAP.

The main effects of the green £ are on the farmgate prices for cattle and milk, the products that benefit most. As I have already said, cattle prices are satisfactory and we have reached the autumn peak with no adverse effects. Cattle disposals this year will not reach last year's record of nearly 2.4 million but, nevertheless, they are at a very high level compared with last year. Cow slaughterings are running at only half last year's level and our national cow herd is expanding and building up again. We know there was an exceptional slaughter of cows last year: we slaughtered in the region of 600,000 cows. We explained previously how this came about and it is not necessary to go into it again.

This is a very opportune time for farmers to plan their cattle systems. We have still too much of our land producing only 2 cwt. to 3 cwt. live-weight gain per acre. A well planned cattle system can produce three times that output. I can see no way that the 60 per cent of farmers on farms of less than 50 acres can make a decent living by producing cattle on an extensive basis.

Hear, hear.

We have been fooling these people for far too long and I hope that they have now got the message. More intensive systems, particularly rearing calves right through to beef, must be developed. This must involve the advisory services in planning the best systems for individual farm circumstances. The major portion of the time of the advisory services is now engaged in this type of work and this is a very welcome change.

The expansion of cattle output will mean retaining more heifers and perhaps less rigorous culling, at least for the time being. In the short term this will mean fewer cattle for sale but only in this way can the breeding herd be built up. There are indications that this is happening and I expect to see the national cow herd significantly up by the end of the year. If we can develop cattle systems that bring animals to slaughter at a younger age, extra cattle can be carried without reducing the area available for tillage or for other livestock.

A bigger cattle breeding herd will mean more cows in milk and a higher total milk output. We still have a long way to go before we realise the potential of our grasslands or before we catch up on the productive levels per acre of our main competitors. I know there is concern about the problem of surpluses of dairy products in the EEC and about the Commission's package of proposals to deal with this matter. I want to emphasise that the question of a milk levy and a non-marketing premium and the other points put forward by the Commission are only proposals at this stage and are not decisions. This is a package that has to be discussed for some considerable time yet before decisions are reached and, in any case, whatever is decided will not be implemented until the new year.

It would be wrong to disclose publicly our negotiating position while we are still in the course of negotiating. In the middle of negotiations I am always under pressure to tell everybody what I propose to do in Brussels about several matters. This pressure is wrong. It is bad for the country and it is bad for our prospects of negotiating a good deal. The long-term stability of the EEC market for dairy products is a matter of the greatest concern for this country and the Council of Ministers must find a satisfactory solution to the present situation. We have major competitive advantages over other European producers and we must retain our opportunity to exploit these advantages. This means we must ensure that everything possible is done to help those who are in milk—I should like to see them expanding in this area. I should also like to see others going into this area not only for milk production alone and the employment it gives but for the increase in cattle numbers this will automatically provide for the beef sector.

The price of calves this year has reflected the demand on home and export markets. Calf exports to Italy have reached 60,000 so far this year but in recent weeks the exports have dropped sharply. Total calf and store exports to Italy are very much lower than last year because the home demand has been so much stronger. To some extent I suppose this has been responsible for the reduction. The fact that calf prices have got much dearer is helping us as well. This export trade to Italy has been a useful source of demand when other outlets were very weak but I do not expect to see calf exports on a scale that would seriously affect our supplies in the years to come. Our future supplies of cattle will also reflect progress in disease eradication. We need to make more rapid progress if we are to achieve the maximum benefit for the cattle industry. This will entail some temporary loss of income, but healthier cattle will bring their own reward to producers. Only through complete co-operation between the different interests concerned can we achieve that rapid progress.

As well as the upturn in cow numbers, there are very encouraging signs of a growth in our ewe flock. Sheep prices have been very firm in recent months and this has brought new interest in sheep production. The problem of access to the French market, however, still remains. In view of the complete failure of efforts to reach a satisfactory agreement with the French, we now have to consider whether we should, even at this late stage, take direct legal action in the European Court.

With the British.

It is not access to the British market, and consequently we have no opportunity of having a go there.

British fresh lamb exports to the Continent.

The problem, however, is that by the time the case is heard most of the remainder of the transitional period, which ends in December, 1977, will have elapsed. It may be necessary to take further action in relation to the post-transitional situation. The various ideas put forward by the Commission were discussed further at a Council meeting no later than last month, but no solution was reached. Our legal and other experts are now studying the position to see what steps we should take to secure the best solution to this long-standing problem. It is most disappointing that despite all our efforts over a long period this question has not been resolved. At the last meeting when we discussed this problem, again I had to say that the Council of Agricultural Ministers had completely failed to solve a serious problem for an individual member state, that we had got a common organisation of the market for much lesser products in earlier years, and that the only reason why we failed to get a solution to this problem was that two of the big powers made up their minds that we were not going to have a common organisation of the market for sheep. I named the two states, France and the UK. It was in their own selfish interests not to give us a common organisation of the market for sheep. I said that that institution of the EEC had failed to do its job and it was now obvious the only course open to us was to use another institution of the EEC, that was, the European Court. That, as I say, is what we are now considering.

The acreage under the main tillage crops has also expanded this year. The wheat acreage increased by over 10 per cent after having fallen every year in the current decade. The acreage under barley went up by over 20,000 acres to exceed 600,000 acres for the first time ever. There is still a great potential for further expansion, and this is to be discussed in detail at a special conference next week in which my Department are actively participating. I look forward to a large rise in the acreage under cereals again next year, for there is no doubt in my mind that tillage efficiently done is one of the best ways to increase a farmer's income.

I am concerned about our failure to increase tillage more rapidly, because the opportunities here are very substantial indeed. We have tried very hard, last year particularly, to get farmers to produce more grain, more beet, and more tillage generally, and we have had limited expansion in this area. Sometimes it occurs to me that it is all very well to give advice; people listening know that it is good advice, but very often they have not the machinery to put this advice into effect. More and more I am convinced that good local contractors are an essential part of this whole campaign. They will have to be encouraged and organised in every possible way. Both the farming organisations and the advisory service will have to take a serious part in keeping the work coming up for these people so that they do not go out of business simply because they cannot live in it without charging too much and because the work is not organised in their favour. In the parts of the country where they are in existence, where there is a big investment in machinery and where the business is well organised, we have the percentage of tillage we all would like to see. But 10 per cent of our total area is completely inadequate and something we cannot be proud of.

The potato acreage is also up this year by 20 per cent. The drought of course affected yields so that there is a very strong demand in relation to the supplies available. This should help to encourage farmers to expand their acreage of potatoes next year, but we must always bear in mind that it is very easy to over-produce potatoes and it is very difficult to be certain that we will have a saleable outlet that will leave a profit for farmers. We have all seen farmers dumping potatoes. Last year there was more than a sufficient acreage to over-supply the market if yields and weather were normal and if the situations in England and elsewhere were normal, but they were not.

As far as sugar beet is concerned, as I said recently, both the growers and the Irish Sugar Company have met the challenge presented by our entry into the EEC. They have grasped the opportunity which came with the increased sugar production quotas which we were able to secure for the period up to 1980. Last year our sugar production reached a record level of 186,000 metric tonnes. I hope that by the end of the current season we will have maintained our position despite the very difficult harvesting conditions.

I admit it will be very difficult because sugar content is very low. It is absolutely essential that production in the years up to 1980 should be continued at this level or even increased if we are to be in a position to make a strong case when discussions commence in Brussels on the sugar regime to apply after 1980. I am convinced that it would be in the best interests of all concerned to see the largest possible quantity of beet processed. Our target should not be just growing our A quota but also a substantial part of our B quota, if not all of it, because this is the way we stake our claim when we are next discussing this in Europe. I would urge the growers and the Sugar Company to have this aim continuously in mind in their negotiations. Apart from the important consideration of helping our case for negotiating a bigger quota post-1980, it will also benefit growers themselves in two ways: in the first place, they will enjoy the very remunerative returns which beet growing provides and, secondly, they will make a substantial contribution towards ensuring the continuing prosperity of the beet sugar industry.

There is, of course, a great threat to the beet sugar industry at present which we have at least started to fight and I hope will be able to fight successfully, that is, the production of high fructose corn syrups that has unfortunately got well under way. I raised this at the last meeting of the Council of Ministers and urged the Commission to produce a paper and recommendations for our next council meeting, if that is possible, before the position reaches a stage where it will be very hard to stop it.

Horticulture is an increasingly important branch of intensive agriculture with a farmgate value in 1975 of over £28 million. It is an important element in our food processing industry which comprises major employers and important exporters. The State fully recognises the value of horticulture and has aided its development by education, advice and capital grants and services and direct State involvement in processing. The industry has come a long way since the days of small, scattered units and has now become an important element of cropping for many farmers. The radical change in vegetable cropping from the traditional market garden to modern, efficient field-scale production by tillage farmers is indicative of the development throughout the industry.

I visited Belgium recently mainly to have a look at sugar processing. I came across one firm growing 50,000 acres of vegetables, canning the lot and selling the produce in a small corner of the Community. This indicates the opportunities there are in this area if horticulture could be properly organised and pursued. The potential employment content in increasing horticultural production and processing is particularly important at present. As an industry, it obtains the greater part of its input from home sources. It is only beginning to be tapped. The importance of food processing in the local economics of areas like Cork, Offaly and Monaghan cannot be over-stressed. For the young and enthusiastic grower horticulture offers many enterprises which give reasonable returns with relatively low capital requirements. But if the agricultural sector as a whole is to expand there must be an integrated programme of investment at farm level. The farmer wishing to modernise and expand his business never had such a range and attractive level of incentives available as he has today. Grant levels for farm investment were never higher and every farmer has the full support of a comprehensive advisory service to help in carrying his plans to completion.

Recently I announced a new scheme of grants which would be available to groups of farmers in disadvantaged areas who came together to acquire jointly machinery to be used by the group for the production of winter feed. The rate of grant which will be offered to groups will be 30 per cent of the cost of the machinery up to a reasonable maximum and a wide range of machines will be covered. This level of grants should be a very real incentive to farmers in the areas concerned to form themselves into local groups in order to avail of grants and, more important, to gear themselves to produce enough winter fodder to face even the worst winter conditions with complete confidence.

In the first six months of the present year the Department's farm development service approved grant-aided capital investment projects worth £45 million.

May I advise the Minister that he has eight minutes remaining of the time allotted to him?

By the end of this year we expect to see total approvals for grant-aided capital projects to be close on £100 million for the year as a whole. This is unprecedented and indicates the very high level of confidence there is at present. That would normally represent three or four years' investment. I was very glad to find that this confidence has carried through into the credit agencies. This year, when I met representatives of all the banks on a couple of occasions, they were agreeable to extend credit over a period of 12 years. This is something new in banking. I was also very pleased recently to hear a prominent banker say that farming was now regarded as the best risk in the country. This is a new and very welcome attitude.

And it could change very quickly.

Farmers must expect to be affected by the recent increase in interest rates and will look harder at their investment programmes. However, the progressive farmer who invests in his business with the help of the ACC or a bank loan will find that in the end his efforts will be fully justified. The exact gain will depend on the level of prices over the coming years but I am confident that the prospects would justify the farmer investing in expanding his farm business. We must keep going on this confident note. Prospects, as far as we can examine them, are good and justify the confidence that farmers are now showing in their business.

There is also a major upturn in land prices which is a very mixed blessing. Particularly it is not a blessing for the small farmer who is trying to increase his area and expand his income by having a bigger and better farm. But the output from all this land will have to be exported because the home market is already supplied. It is important to us for our balance of payments which will benefit directly. Last year our total farm exports brought in £600 million compared with £180 million in 1970. By 1980 this figure of £600 million will be much greater. This will affect the whole economy for research recently has shown that every additional £1 million of agricultural exports generates a £1.9 million increase in our GNP.

Before I finish I should like to mention our success in the negotiations on the fishing industry. This is a very complex issue which involves a lot of hard bargaining. The outcome of the meeting of the Foreign Ministers of the EEC was very heartening to all concerned with fishing. The prospects for the fishing industry are just as promising as those for our farmers. I have no doubt that these new opportunities will result in a larger and more prosperous fishing industry in the future. These negotiations have a long way to go but I hope they will be successful.

We have set out in our Green Paper on economic and social development to 1980 the growth rate that we believe we can achieve in agriculture. We are looking for a 6 per cent increase per annum in total farm output. This will require a substantial increase in inputs of fertilisers, feedingstuffs and other farm material but it can easily be achieved. It was not a figure taken off the top of somebody's head in the Department; it was arrived at after most careful and detailed examination of every possible farm product. I know this figure can be well exceeded if we really get down to the job confidently. Farmer confidence is and always has been the most important ingredient in all this.

It will involve a more productive use of our grasslands, particularly higher stocking rates and increased milk yields. We hope our tillage acreage will continue to expand and that farmers' incomes, as a result, will rise fairly substantially.

Frankly, I am not satisfied with what is happening, with our achievements in agriculture up to the present. There is enormous potential here but I do not think that any man in my job can achieve this without the full co-operation of everybody involved. I have said time and again that this is a team-work operation for the success of which the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries can never take full credit nor should he be blamed for its failure because there are too many people and organisations, too many considerations, too many outside effects involved. I do not want to take total credit for successes in this area. I want to see success. I know the possibilities are there and that we can realise them, but we will not achieve them by criticising each other and by looking for more at present.

Figures issued by the Central Statistics Office last night show that the number of building and construction workers unemployed is now 25,257. The figures show that 3,700 more workers are unemployed in that industry than in the same period last year. These figures underline in clear terms the ill health of the building and construction industry. No series of projects however plausible can change that dismal picture. The building and construction industry is now in the unenviable position of being the leader in the unemployment stakes. Government speakers mention the signs and portents which signify an improvement in the economy with special reference to the building and construction industry. Let me point out that the statistics issued by the Central Statistics Office show that the unemployment figures have increased by 1,430, even on the previous month.

In debate after debate in this House Fianna Fáil have endeavoured to point out to the Government and in particular to the Minister for Local Government the desperate plight of the building and construction industry. Unemployment among building workers has increased by 99.7 per cent in two years. House building in the private and public sectors is decreasing. Construction in other areas is deteriorating rapidly. The queues of people seeking new houses are getting longer each week. We have had no reponse from the Government or the Minister. We pointed out the advantage to be gained in providing new homes and employment by giving this industry a worth-while injection of capital. The Government persist in ignoring an industry which could provide jobs immediately without causing any balance of payments problems. At a time when we have 108,000 people on our official unemployment list and thousands of others not listed, we are convinced that thousands of jobs can be created through proper financing in building construction and in the ancillary industries.

When we return to office we propose to inject £30 million into the building and construction industry to provide 5,000 badly needed jobs. The deteriorating situation in the industry was apparent from 1974. In 1974 the volume of output in the industry was £196.41 million at constant prices of 1968-69. In 1975 the volume had declined by 4.5 per cent over the previous year. In 1975 the output for the private sector had declined by 3.6 per cent in comparison with 1974. The decline in output had clearly manifested itself in the rising unemployment in the industry. There was a drop in employment of 10.5 per cent in 1975. This showed the industry to be the sector of the economy that was being grievously damaged. That point is clearly indicated in the figures issued by the Central Statistics Office.

A study of the public capital programme, which is vitally important to the construction industry, shows that allocations to the private sector of the industry in 1974, 1975 and 1976 had been reduced in real terms though showing an increase in current terms. The programme shows a reduction in the allocations for sanitary services, houses, hospitals and so on. In view of the experience of 1974 and 1975 one would have expected an effort to correct the decline. We are being deluged with selected statistics and irrelevant financial comparisons by the Government and the Minister for Local Government. These ignore the frightening inflationary situation which has resulted in a 99.9 per cent increase in building costs since May, 1973. That is higher than the ordinary percentage increase in inflationary rates. All this is done in an attempt to distract attention from the reality of the critical condition of the building and construction industry. The attitude of the Minister is causing grave concern. Until he recognises and accepts that the situation is critical it is hopeless to expect that the problems will be tackled in a realistic manner.

My appreciation of the condition of the industry is borne out by the figures I have quoted. Persistent calls for assistance from the Construction Industry Federation, the trade unions and the local authorities have been to no avail. The Minister's usual reply is to quote current figures of expenditure and gross output in the industry and to make a comparison between these figures and expenditure during Fianna Fáil's term of office without any reference to the unchecked inflation which is damaging this industry more than anything else and without reference to the fact that the money being made available now and the gross output of the industry in real terms are lower now than they were in 1974.

If we are to make any progress and any impact on the frighteningly high unemployment figures, this pretence must be abandoned. The Government must face the reality that employment in the building and construction industry has fallen from 63,000 workers in 1974 to 48,900 workers in 1976. In May, 1974, there were 12,718 building workers unemployed. In August, 1976, there were 25,256 building workers unemployed. This shows a 100 per cent increase in unemployment. These are the official statistics. We must face the reality that the percentage of the total labour force unemployed in the building and construction industry has risen from 19 per cent in 1974 to approximately 22 per cent in 1976.

This is an industry in which we could justifiably expect increasing employment. Yet the Minister for Local Government expects us to believe that all is well with the industry and that its production is just as good as ever it was, at a time when there are 25,256 building workers unemployed, a quarter of the total labour force. The decline is there for everybody to see. The official statistics point to the fact that 1,289 fewer houses were built in the private sector and 518 fewer in the public sector in the first two quarters of 1976 as compared with the first two quarters of 1975, that is to say, that there was a total of 1,807 fewer houses built in the first two quarters of 1976 as compared with the first two quarters of 1975. Even more disturbing is the fact that there was a total of 2,506 fewer houses under construction in the first two years of 1976 as compared with the first two quarters of 1975. The drop in the number of houses constructed as compared with last year, added to the unemployment figures, shows the real trend we predicted long ago and which the Minister refused to accept and still refuses to accept.

In the early days of the Coalition we had regular announcements from the Government about their supposed achievements in the building and construction industry. They claimed all the credit, even though they were well aware that at that time, they were building, in every sense of the word. on the sound financial and economic base left to them by Fianna Fáil. Houses were being constructed by us in ever-increasing numbers. Plans for future development were in course of preparation when we left office. Large tracts of land were purchased to ensure there would be no let-up in the effort. Indeed, the quantity of land bought during our term of office was so large that the Minister is still building houses on that land. His contribution in this area has been to issue instructions to local authorities to cut down on land purchases, with the result that the future will reveal a scarcity of land for building purposes. Today, when the Government must face up to their problems, when they must continue to try to remain afloat on their own efforts, the only reply we can get from the Minister for Local Government and the Government themselves to our request to revitalise the building and construction industry is to ask us are we not aware that there is an emergency and that money is scarce. Of course we are aware that there is an emergency but we are equally aware that the Coalition are largely responsible for it by their inaction and complete lack of leadership, though a stranger might be excused from appreciating that the Government really believe there is an economic emergency if he were to judge by the Government's priority as expressed through the recall of the Dáil during the Summer Recess. We are aware also that the country has the highest inflation and unemployment rates in the EEC.

It was the same under Fianna Fáil as well.

We are the only country in the EEC continuing down the slippery slope, and that includes even Britain, when other countries are making a reasonable effort to overcome the problems facing them. For some inexplicable reason the Government and the Minister for Local Government appear to be bent on destroying all incentive for the lower income group to build or buy their own houses. Every action they have refused to take in this sphere points to that fact. State grants were available to all who built a house under certain specified square footage and supplementary grants were available to large numbers of those who qualified for state housing grants. Now, due to a ministerial decision, a person with an income of £38 a week, or a young couple with the princely income of £40 a week are no longer entitled to State housing grants or to supplementary grants. Such young couples, with an income of £40 a week, are too well off according to the socialist partners in this Coalition Government to be entitled to housing grants to enable them build or buy their own homes.

The refusal by the Minister to increase the SDA loans and qualifying income limit has the most serious implications for the building and construction industry. These loans were the backbone of the industry. The refusal by the Government to change the qualifying income limit, despite the exhortations not only of this party but of the General Council of County Councils, the municipal authorities, trade unions and the Construction Industry Federation is something we can never understand. It has resulted in whole classes of people who were entitled to these loans when we were in office, and who availed of them in the past in large numbers, being no longer entitled to them. While the standard of living for large numbers of them has deteriorated since 1973, their monetary income has increased to the extent that they are over the income limit of £45 a week and therefore do not qualify.

I shall give a brief synopsis of what has happened. In this synopsis, as I have been doing already, I shall quote official figures. In May, 1973, the maximum loan level was fixed at £4,500 and the qualifying income limit at £2,350. The average price of a house built on an SDA loan at that time was something in the region of £5,900 and the repayment period was 35 years. An applicant for such a loan could be assured of a State housing grant and in many instances of a supplementary housing grant as well. This meant that he had approximately £5,100 and had to make up only the difference, either from savings or in some other way. Today the loan maximum and the qualifying income limit are as they were in 1973; they still stand at £4,500 and £2,350 respectively. The price of an SDA loan house is now over £8,000.

I should stress again that I am quoting from official statistics here. As I have already explained, most of the applicants are not now entitled to a grant of any kind, either State or supplementary. On top of all of that the repayment period for the loan has been reduced from 35 years to 30 years. Finally, the interest rate, which was increased on two occasions in the past year, by 1 per cent on each occasion, was increased in toto by 2 per cent to the huge total of 12½ per cent. These loans were intended for people in the lower and middle income groups who wished to build or buy their own homes.

The situation now, as I see it, is absolutely deplorable. How could a young couple with £45 a week build or buy a home for themselves with a loan of £4,500 at 12½ per cent with no grant of any kind? The simple answer is that the Government have deliberately created the conditions which ensure that the poorer section of the community are being deprived of the right to build or buy a home of their own. Any unctuous talk about concern for such people is just so much talk and nothing more. In reply to a question by me the Minister for Local Government yesterday stated that the number of SDA loans approved in the quarters ended 30th June, 1975, and 30th June, 1976, were 2,871 and 1,394 respectively and that the percentage change was 51 per cent.

These figures tell the true story. The loans are being phased out to the disadvantage of the poorer sections of the community which the Labour sector of the Coalition would like us to believe are their main concern. In reply to a supplementary question the Minister told me that it was no responsibility of the Government to provide all the money for housing and that there were many other lending agencies in existence to make this money available.

Can anybody imagine a young couple with an income of £46 per week and looking for a loan of £8,000 receiving red carpet treatment from any of the other lending agencies? Is it not a fact that the only hope they had of getting a loan was from a local authority. Such loans were valuable when they were of a reasonable size in relation to the price of the house? The fact of the matter is that young people who have the courage and the initiative to buy or build their own homes are not being permitted to do so by the Government and the serious fall in the total number of applications for loans and of loans approved underlines this fact. There is another aspect to this matter which should be borne in mind and that is that it is easier to run down a scheme of this kind than to bring it back into operation. The Minister now appears to be relying entirely on the moneys available from other lending agencies but we have had experience in the past of a situation where the other lending agencies had not sufficient money. That occurred in 1974 when there was a serious dearth of money in the building societies. If this scheme is run down further and we return to the situation we experienced in 1974 with regard to the other lending agencies—something which is quite possible—what will be the position in the building industry? There will be no money available for SDA loans and severe restrictions in relation to money from the building societies. What will happen then to the building industry which at present is at crisis point?

When we are returned to government, and that will not be very long, we propose to raise SDA loans and the qualifying income limits to realistic levels and to make worth-while grants available for first purchasers. It is an amazing change of front for socialists in this Government to adopt a policy which relies on private enterprise to provide finances for new housing and restrict State investment in housing. They always claimed that the State should in the main be responsible for such activity.

An announcement was made recently by the building societies that they proposed to raise their mortgage interest rates by more than 2 per cent, to 13.95 per cent. This announcement, even though some increase was anticipated after the increase in the bank rate, sent a chill down the spines of many mortgage holders. On receipt of this information, I called on the Government to make a subsidy available to the building societies to help counteract the effect of this increase. I did so in the knowledge that this increase was the last straw as far as a vast number of building society mortgage holders were concerned. It is an intolerable burden for them. Many mortgage holders have not got any increase in their incomes over the past year because of the circumstances of their employment. Quite a number of those who took out mortgages some time ago are unemployed, due largely to the failure of the Government. The Government's oft-repeated recipe that inflation has helped overcome problems with regard to mortgages has no validity in these cases; in fact, the reverse is the situation. For many who are repaying these mortgages the cheeseparing can go on no longer; there is no fat left. There is no way that many of the families involved can cope with increases which are considerable.

I am convinced that if the Government do not take action in respect of a subsidy we could have a grave social problem. Most mortgage holders know little or nothing of the exigencies of high finance. They consider carefully the situation which will pertain if they apply for and obtain a mortgage at a certain percentage rate and they make a decision to proceed with the mortgage or not to accept it. If they decide to proceed and a new element which they have not bargained for, such as the exceptionally large increase in interest rates, comes about they enter a new situation leaving many of them in dire straits. Elementary justice dictates that the Government, who have been relieved of an obligation by many of these mortgage holders in providing their own houses, should come to their rescue. Another serious aspect of this matter is that many people who were considering taking out loans to buy or build their own homes will now change their minds when faced with an interest rate of almost 14 per cent. The effect this will have on an already disturbed building industry can be appreciated. At a time when one-quarter of the total building work force, more than 25,000, are unemployed it can be a catastrophe. The building industry now heads the unemployment league and if something is not done to correct the situation in relation to the SDA loans and to assistance to curb the interest rate increase, we will find that the numbers unemployed in that industry will escalate at a faster rate than at present. In these circumstances it is incumbent on the Government to make money available to subsidise building society rates immediately.

The mishandling of the SDA loan situation, added to the exceptionally high building society mortgage interest rates, will have the effect of putting more and more prospective loan applicants on the long queues waiting for local authority houses. This is being done at a time when the Minister for Local Government is predicting a fall in the number of local authority houses being built.

In his statement on this matter the Minister expressed the hope that the private sector of the building industry would take up the slack which would arise because fewer houses were being built in the public sector. How can he imagine that the private sector of the building industry, which has been harassed by this Government for the past two or three years, will take up that slack when he refused to increase the maximum loan levels and qualifying income limits and when as yet we have not got from the Government any word as to whether they propose to subsidise these enormous interest rates which now must be paid by mortgage holders? Added to this enormous increase in building society interest rates we have very large rate increases all over the country. The rates increases on their own are a very heavy burden and would have been a sufficient burden in themselves for mortgage holders, but with 13.95 per cent mortgage interest rates, the total increase is intolerable.

I want to put on record that when we are re-elected we propose to abolish rates on all dwellinghouses. The Coalition rates remission scheme was a failure. The repetition by some members of the Government that rates would be higher if they had not taken the steps thereby saving the ratepayer some money reminds me of a supermarket advertisement calling on people to come in and buy and save money. Rates on private dwellings are an unfair system of taxation and should be abolished. That is what we propose to do.

Where will you get the money to do that?

There is no great difficulty in explaining that.

Fianna Fáil were a laughing stock in 1973 because they could not answer that question.

If the Parliamentary Secretary reads our economic statement——

——he will find that we will solve this problem within the framework of the economic policy we put forward and which was found very acceptable and realistic by the majority of the people, unlike the reception given to the now moribund Green Paper.

I have been listening for 30 minutes and everything the Deputy had to say is a plea for more State expenditure.

This is a limited time debate. Deputy Faulkner has only about nine minutes left and he should not be interrupted.

I am very pleased that I am disturbing the Parliamentary Secretary. The Government have stated that their greatest problem is unemployment. We are pointing the way in which unemployment can be reduced and I have said in this speech how we will go about reducing unemployment.

When the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries was speaking earlier he said there was no need for McKinsey or anybody else to tell us how bad the economic state of the country was. He said the problem was to solve it and everybody accepts that this Government are totally incapable of solving it. We are putting forward our policy. When he stands up let the Parliamentary Secretary tell us his policy, and I hope it is much better than the complete fiasco issued by the Government as a Green Paper.

The jobs the Deputy's party propose to introduce are service jobs and will not produce 6p worth of wealth.

I can understand——

As a result of his party's——

Deputy Faulkner must be allowed his time.

(Interruptions.)

I can understand how the Parliamentary Secretary could not care less about the 25,000 building workers who are unemployed.

Borrow money. Double the number on the police force——

Deputy Faulkner must be allowed his time.

The Parliamentary Secretary cannot appreciate what the unfortunate building workers are going through at the present time.

The Deputy is now on a different subject.

There are 25,000 unemployed building workers at the moment—the highest figure ever known in the building industry. They are at the top of the unemployed league table, yet the Parliamentary Secretary says in effect, "Don't bother about them". I can assure him that we propose to bother about them and I have laid down in this speech the way we will do that. We have indicated in our economic policy the manner in which we will finance any commitments we make, including the removal of rates from private dwellings. When we introduced free education it was said that we could not pay for it but we did and we will remove rates from private dwellings when we get back into power. The people can be assured that when we give our word we will keep it.

You will, if you add a shilling in the pound to PAYE.

I can take it that it is most unlikely there will be very many shillings in the coffers when we get back into Government, but confidence will be engendered by a return of Fianna Fáil to Government. There will be a unified approach to problems rather than the present situation where we have the right-wing Fine Gael going in one direction and the left-wing socialists going in the other. Everybody knew this Coalition could not work.

When the Tánaiste stated some years ago that he would rather go to the backbenches than join in any future coalition, he spoke from experience. He knew what happened in previous coalitions. He knew they would not work. He changed his mind. I am not going to act as a holier than thou person. If he wanted to change his mind that was his business but his original contention has been more than borne out.

My experience dealing with the building and construction industry since I took over as Fianna Fáil spokesman, has shown me the shocking deterioration that has taken place in that industry over the past two or three years. When we put forward a case as we see it we are reminded of the number of houses that have been built; we are asked if we are not aware that there is an emergency and a shortage of money but we know that properly financed and directed, jobs could be made available in this industry almost immediately. Instead, there has been a constant cutting back in real terms as shown in the statistics issued last night. It is a disgrace to find that more than 25,000 building workers are unemployed.

Apart from the problems affecting the building industry there are problems also in relation to other sectors of the Department of Local Government. For instance, our roads are deteriorating because money is not being made available to resurface and repair them. The Government have stated that they have transferred moneys intended for work on the main arterial roads to the smaller roads so as to provide more employment but no such transfer can create employment if the moneys being made available are not increased and the figures show that there has not been an increase in this area. In 1974 the amount of the grants paid to local authorities for road works was about £20 million while in each of the years 1975 and 1976 the amounts were almost the same. During that period inflation rates increased by 40 per cent. It is nonsensical to suggest that employment can be created while the moneys concerned are reducing considerably in real terms.

We have the highest rate of unemployment in the EEC. Our inflation rate is the worst of any EEC country while our national output is at an abysmally low level. The Government have shown that they are incapable of making decisions. Their only aim seems to be to hang on to office for as long as possible. Even those decisions that were made and which might have had a worth-while effect on the economy were changed under the slightest pressure.

I should have liked more time in which to develop these points but some of my time was lost because of the Parliamentary Secretary's interruptions. In conclusion I would refer to the document put forward by us recently. This is a policy on which to base economic recovery. Our record is such as to assure the people that when we put our hands to the plough and make decisions there will be no turning back. The road ahead is a hard and a long one but we have confidence in our capabilities and that is an essential ingredient if we are to succeed. It is obvious that there is no future for the country or for any of the people under the present Government. On our return to Government the confidence which will be engendered will result in an upsurge in the economy just as there was when Fianna Fáil returned to office in 1957 after the last Coalition Government.

In the time available to me I hope to cover 11 areas which are worthy of some examination during this debate. I intend, first, to look at the underlying long-term problem of employment that has existed for more than 50 years. Secondly, I wish to look at some new developments in the context of that problem regarding, particularly, changes in our population, the impact of free trade and our relationship with the UK economy. Thirdly, I wish to analyse the impact of the world depression on our own economy. Fourthly, I shall deal with the Government's short-term response to that situation; fifthly, and arising out of that, the budgetary situation and, sixthly, what I believe to be necessary—a short-term economic plan followed by a long-term plan. I wish to look, too, at the Green Paper and at the Fianna Fáil policy document and to analyse the impact of the sterling link on our rate of inflation. Lastly, I shall look at the current economic situation and some of the underlying trends which have appeared lately.

In a debate of this nature it is important to emphasise that there has been always an unemployment problem, that no Government have proved capable of solving that problem. In 1926, on the occasion of the first census, there were 1,250,000 at work. Fifty years later the figure is in the region of 1,050,000. This failure to increase the working population is without parallel in Europe. It has not been confined to any one phase during the past half century for most of which time Fianna Fáil were in office. The problem has been a persistent long-run characteristic of the Irish economy. Even if we might dignify some of the goings-on of Governments with the title of strategy we have failed to absorb into the work force the natural increase in our population. There has been the problem, too, of those who have been leaving the land.

It is well to remember that other small and relatively unendowed economies such as some of the Scandinavian countries which at the time of the accession to power of Fianna Fáil in the early thirties had GNP's comparable with ours now have standards of living twice or three times greater than ours and at the same time have been able to provide work for those who wish to stay in their own countries. In terms of the EEC our GNP per head is only half the average. Our economic record involving all parties in all Governments has been one of long-run failure. We know how the problem was solved in the past. The surplus population was forced to emigrate. Today some one million people born in this country are now registered in the UK and registered in the census of that country's population. These people, when taken in conjunction with the hundreds of thousands elsewhere throughout the world, give some idea of the dimension of the problem and how we solved it year after year. Emigration was the implicit economic variable which solved the intolerable limit of unemployment but it was a solution which had terrifying consequences socially and culturally—consequences which most of the time we are prepared to admit privately, if not publicly. The heavy unemployment of the fifties specifically left us with a very imbalanced pay structure and, consequently, with a very high dependency ratio which naturally affects the budget not only in terms of taxation but in regard also to the social services which must be funded from a very narrow taxation base. We have proportionately high numbers of young and old in our population and these categories are the heaviest consumers of social services. That situation imposes a heavy taxation burden on the active section of the population.

I know it can be argued, and will be argued, from the Opposition benches that the problems I am describing are problems of the past. Certainly the thirties were terrible. The forties were a particular set of circumstances because of the war. In the fifties we had high emigration. Our own economic miracle began in the sixties. It is true there has certainly been a remarkable change and it is right to say so. A quarter of a century ago only 5 per cent of our exports were manufactured goods. Today over 50 per cent of our exports are non-agricultural. In 1960 the total number of workers was 1.005 million. In 1970, the end of the decade, the total was 1.053 million. During the 15 years, 1960 to 1974, the total number engaged in industry rose by only 50,000, an average of just over 5,000 per annum. At the same time service employment grew by 60,000 but agriculture dropped by about 9,000 per year. These are hardly statistics of success. They indicate a static situation.

I believe we should define economic success in human terms and not in terms of statistics. That period from 1960 to 1974 could be presented as a period of spectacular growth because the annual growth rate was 4 per cent. Exports rose by 6½ per cent a year in real terms and the industrial sector expanded at just over 6 per cent. Nonetheless, during that period the number at work was virtually unchanged at about 1.005 million. As I indicated, the numbers leaving agriculture balanced out increases in industry and in the service sector. That was the reality of our economic performance. We continued during that period to export surplus population and this was the way we managed to keep unemployment figures within tolerable limits.

I was one of those temporarily exported during that period. I know the agony of emigration, having experienced it at first hand and having lived amongst Irish emigrants. It was a reality to which, of course, our society blinded itself and one would, and particularly the Opposition, rather describe the period of the sixties as a period of great economic success. Yet, even during the period of the Third Programme there was a decrease of 17,000 in the total numbers at work from 1969 to 1972 compared to a target of increase of 16,000, which was modest enough. The result was a shortfall of 3,000 jobs and more recently, of course, because of the world crisis, there has been a further drop in employment and we know of the particularly distressing performance of the economy last year. Unemployment went up. We lost about 13,000 jobs last year in manufacturing industry alone despite the best efforts of the IDA.

But something else has happened in addition to this long-run problem. We are now aware that something profoundly important is happening to our population structure. We have now in our possession a demographic study prepared by Professor Walsh of the ESRI published last year by the National Economic and Social Council which indicates that we have entered into the first stage of a population explosion making itself evident now in the number of those seeking work. This is a situation which will continue for the next decade at least. Professor Walsh reckons that the industrial and service labour force will increase by approximately 300,000 between 1971 and 1986. This means we will require about 25,000 new jobs a year over the long run if we are to absorb an expanding population and also the continued drift from the land.

Last November the OECD in a report, which was not widely commented upon in the Press, the media generally, or here, pointed out that this figure does not include extra new jobs to re-employ those made redundant because of the world crisis over the last two years. The Minister for Finance at the tail-end of his budget speech earlier this year accepted the forecast and estimated that by 1980 the population would rise to 3.3 million with a work force of 1.18 million. He foresaw the need for creating 155,000 new jobs in manufacturing industry during the period 1976 to 1980, which is an annual average of over 30,000 and, in an uncharacteristic understatement, he described it as a massive challenge to manufacturing industry. It certainly is, given the performance of this economy in the past.

This is a challenge I cannot visualise being accepted or being met if we simply continue with current policies; 31,000 new industrial jobs each year every year is self-evidently beyond the capacity of existing policies even in the most favourable economic conditions. In 1973, and it is quite immaterial to me as to which Government, the former or the present, claims credit for that particular year, once the point is established, that it could be claimed as our own economic miracle, output went up by 8½ per cent in manufacturing industry but employment rose by only 7,800 and over the whole economy by 12,000 to 13,000. How then can we expect in face of a world recession to get from that sort of base up to a figure of 31,000 new jobs if we continue with past policy centred around the IDA and based on private enterprise?

As I said, unemployment has always been a problem for Irish Governments which Irish Governments persistently have failed to solve. The solution in the past has been that those of us who stayed at home took all the growth in our own interest and forced the rest to emigrate. During the sixties, which Fianna Fáil have used and will continue to use in this and other debates on the economy, GNP went up by 50 per cent. Yet the total labour force remained static. The population rose and we know there were approximately 150,000 people exported from this country during that period. That is how unemployment figures were kept within tolerable limits. No wonder the dole queues did not grow. Those who should have been on the dole queues were abroad, mostly in the United Kingdom.

Let there be no doubt about it and here it is instructive to look at the employment record of the three former Fianna Fáil Ministers for Finance who now grace the Opposition benches and who have lectured the nation and this House on the management of the economy. Let us look at them, each in turn. Let us take Deputy Lynch during his sojourn as Minister for Finance during a period of relative economic tranquillity, not only here but throughout the world, from 1965 to 1967. During that period manufacturing industry employment went up by 3,000. All industry went up by 1,000 and the total number of workers fell in fact by 9,000. He was succeeded by Deputy Haughey. Between 1967 and 1970 manufacturing industry went up by 15,000—that was a better record— and all industry went up by 17,000. Services went up by 15,000. Yet the total numbers at work fell by 5,000 and there were 5,000 fewer at work when Deputy Haughey left office. Deputy Colley was the last of the triumvirate and during his period in office, manufacturing industry employment went up by 1,000 and all industry went up by only 1,000. In fact, the total numbers at work fell by 7,000.

There is one persistent characteristic there. Each of these former Ministers for Finance presided over a drop in total employment during a time when the world economy and international trade grew at a rate never before experienced, a rate that possibly will never be equalled in the rest of this century. Not a very edifying performance. During the total period covered by those three Ministers, 1965 to 1972, total employment fell by 21,000. The statistics are those published by the Department of the Taoiseach and they are available in the Library to every Member. I do not think that any one of these three cases provides the Opposition with justification for acting either in the role of critic of existing policies or in the role of proponent of new ones with any creditability.

The situation in the seventies has dramatically changed from that of the sixties. As I said earlier, and as the study of Professor Walsh indicates, we are now in a situation of demographic normality. For example, the population over the last five years has gone up by 185,000, whereas in the previous ten years it went up by only 160,000. Therefore in the last five years our population has grown in the aggregate more than it did in the previous ten years and emigration has ended. It has, in fact, reversed itself in the last five years. From 1971 to 1976 there was an immigration of 12,000 compared, in the previous five-year period with an emigration of 54,000, which is a turn-about of 66,000.

We know that something profound is happening to our employment structure which I believe has the most awesome consequences for economic policy. Those figures have been analysed and presented in a study by Professor Walsh. It is important to understand the uniqueness of our current population situation. Over the next decade the growth in the active population in the country will be approximately 17 per cent. Yet the percentages for roughly the same period for other EEC countries are: The Netherlands, 16 per cent, which is very near; Italy, 11 per cent; France, 8 per cent; Belgium, 6 per cent; UK, 3 per cent; Denmark, 3 per cent; and West Germany, just over ½ per cent. With the exception of the Netherlands our growth potential is significantly higher than any of our EEC partners.

As Professor Walsh has indicated, this growth will be very unevenly distributed by age group, the younger ages experiencing a very rapid growth, the older ages experiencing a contraction. The male and female labour force over the age of 44 will decline by 1986, but there will be a very rapid expansion in the younger labour force, amounting to over 2 per cent annually for males. The total labour force is projected as rising at over 1 per cent. In addition to experiencing a major change in age distribution within the working population, younger age groups becoming more dominant, there will also be a change in the total numbers at work and looking for work. This is fuelled, in the main, by a rapid expansion in the younger age group.

This growth is of an order of magnitude never previously experienced in the country and for which, I believe, we are as yet unprepared. I believe we will pay the economic and social cost of very heavy emigration during the fifties. We had in the past what I described as a situation of static equilibrium: that those who left the land and the natural increase in population were balanced off by certain low level increases in the service industries and the manufacturing industries and the rest were forced to emigrate. It looks as if that is an avenue of escape no longer available to this economy.

We should therefore look at the figures of Professor Walsh and accepted by NESC very closely indeed, because one set of figures will hammer home the enormity of the problems ahead. During the period from 1966 to 1971 the actual annual average growth rate in numbers at work outside of family farming was 1 per cent, and yet the estimate is that the labour force will grow at an annual rate of a minimum of 2.1 per cent and at a maximum of about 2.4 per cent. Therefore, putting it very crudely, we will have to double the numbers in new jobs each year outside of farming simply to take account of increasing numbers in the depletion in agricultural labour force but not taking industrial redundancies into account. NESC have put the figure at 25,000. This has been accepted by OECD. The Minister for Finance in his budget speech indicated that the figure is of the order of 30,000 per year. The OECD say that unless the pattern of migration is reversed a total of 25,000 new jobs per year will need to be created each year over and above the recovery of employment from the present recession, a figure substantially greater than that which was achieved in the past when real GNP was rising at an average annual rate of about 4 per cent. A similar rise of activity over the medium term would apparently not be enough to provide sufficient employment opportunity.

That is a pretty ominous conclusion. The situation would be bad enough if we did not have to cope at the same time with the impact of free trade and simultaneously deal with the most severe world recession since the thirties. Structural changes have been occurring during the sixties, which I have indicated. This economy is now an industrial economy in terms of employment, output and exports. Free trade, either through the Anglo-Irish Free Trade Area Agreement or through our membership of the European Economic Community, plus the world recession, have come at a time when we were more dependent than ever on world trade and therefore had a bigger effect on us now than it would have had in a situation comparable with the fifties.

The coincidence of the Anglo-Irish Free Trade Area Agreement, the EEC and the depression could not be worse for our economy, coming on top of the increase in population. My belief in respect of free trade is that redundancies caused by the Anglo-Irish Free Trade Area Agreement and by the EEC are far greater than was anticipated or is currently realised. I believe that policy was one of grave miscalculation by the previous Fianna Fáil Administration, the effects of which are being cloaked at the moment by the effects of the world depression but which I know many professional economists in the country now believe is a factor at work on our unemployment as serious as that of the world depression. I believe the impact of free trade on our manufacturing sector has been profound. In addition to that we have had the unlucky conjunction of a very poor performance in the United Kingdom economy, not only in terms of inflation, but in terms of unemployment and, of course, depressed demand. In reality this country is linked with the weakest economy in Europe.

All of these factors would individually have caused us great difficulty. Collectively, the increase in the population, the impact of free trade, adjustment to EEC conditions would have posed the biggest set of economic problems outside of war time; but, added on top of all that, we have been confronted with the most serious world depression since the thirties. We are aware of the origins of that crisis, the tripling and indeed the quadrupling of oil prices in 1973, constituting the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the world, with shock effects on world trade, world employment, and on world inflation. It is true that when it happened most countries, most governments and most economic institutions underestimated the severity and indeed the duration of the crisis. It is also true that in the inital stages most governments concentrated on dealing with the inflationary aspects of the problem when the real problem was one of depression because of the impact which the transfer of wealth would have on world trade and consequently on domestic production in each country.

The real problem as it emerged was the question of unemployment. There are now five million people unemployed in the EEC. We saw in the recent presidential campaign in the United States that Governor Carter, the now President elect, consistently hammered President Ford with one particular statistic, that there were two million more Americans unemployed at the time of the debates than when President Ford took office, and in the last six months 500,000 more Americans had gone on the unemployment register. No country escaped the impact of the world depression and to pretend otherwise is asinine. The world crisis created our current spate of economic difficulties. We did not create the world crisis.

There is nothing more depressing at a time of economic depression than Fianna Fáil economic propaganda which ignores the very existence of the world crisis. There is no reference to the external world economy in the recent Fianna Fáil policy statement and there is no reference to the difficulties created by the world crisis in the budget speeches of the Fianna Fáil spokesmen earlier this year.

Only the most fleeting reference was made by Deputy Lynch in his opening remarks on this debate to the impact of the world recession. Deputy Lynch's attitude is either dishonest or unbelievably ignorant of the outside world. Fianna Fáil have cast aside all standards of decent debate in an attempt to pin our current economic difficulties on the Government. On the other hand, the world depression is implicitly recognised by Fianna Fáil when they state that other countries are doing far better than we are at the moment. That is untrue. Nobody could argue that the economy across the water is signally improving, that it is an example which can be offered in terms of policies which work in respect of employment or inflation. In France we know of the Prime Minister's plan to tackle inflation. In Japan inflation has once more taken hold and Germany is also in trouble.

We are more dependent than ever before on world trade. In 1975 when world trade fell by 4 per cent, was it surprising that our industrial exports fell by 4 per cent? When OECD output fell by 3 per cent, was it surprising that ours fell by 1 per cent or was it surprising that unemployment rose by 20,000 during that year? The Government did not create the world crisis but they have the responsibility of dealing with it. The area of contention is in relation to how it is to be handled not in relation to who was responsible for the crisis. Given the past economic policies in this country, the Government's response in relation to budget deficits was a courageous and an enlightened response despite inane and ignorant attacks launched upon it. It saved jobs, the level of social services and it protected the poor. What has been achieved in this area has not yet been recognised. While current expenditure went up by £1,000 million or by 260 per cent, revenue only went up by approximately £700 million which left us a shortfall in the region of £300 million. That could have been handled either by cutting services thereby increasing unemployment or it could have been handled by the policy of budget deficits which was pursued by the Government. The deficit is greater than the expenditure on health, the expenditure on social welfare, the expenditure on education and it is greater than the expenditure on economic services and security and that gives us an idea of the magnitude of this expenditure. The Government's response was the best response for the country.

It can and it has been argued with justification that we are at the end of the depression, we are now in a transition period and we require a period of adjustment so that we can accommodate ourselves to a more healthy external environment. In terms of budgetary policy the improvement can be seen in the fact that the Exchequer figures have improved dramatically. This was a fact hidden by the bank strike but by the end of September it became evident that the deficit would be in the region of £60 million less than was originally anticipated due to buoyancy in revenue. On current figures, I believe, the deficit will be somewhat below that anticipated. Control of public expenditure has been exemplary. Revenue is up by about one third and the budgetary situation is much more healthy than would have been forecast at the beginning of this year because of the correct policies and because of an underlying trend of improvement in the economy. This gives us an opportunity to get away from any commitment to phase out the deficit over a period of four years because the economy will handle the situation itself. We will also have an opportunity to avoid further recourse to indirect taxation which would fuel increases in the consumer price index.

At the moment we need a short-term economic plan. Discussions are going on at tripartite level and also in the context of the Employer/Labour Conference. The Employer/Labour Conference concept is now redundant. The difficulties in reaching agreement on incomes at a central level proved almost insurmountable last year and this year proved practically insuperable until the Government invited social partners to the tripartite talks. We should now place discussions on centralised bargaining with respect to incomes within the context of a national short-term economic plan which would be overseen by a national economic council consisting of the parties now engaged in the tripartite talks involving not only income but income tax, social welfare, profits and investments and, therefore, employment. At the moment there is no conjunction between what is being discussed at the Employer/ Labour Conference and what is being discussed in the councils of the Government in respect of budgetary policy, and yet one has an immediate and obvious impact upon the other. Nothing could be of more importance to the Government in respect of their budgetary policy than agreement reached on pay and the impact that that will have on public service pay. For that reason, we should accept that the Employer/Labour Conference, which was designed in totally different economic circumstances, should now be superseded by a national economic conference at which the Government is an open and explicit participant.

The Employer/Labour Conference was established prior to the oil crisis in a time of relatively low inflation and extremely high world economic growth but, since 1973, inflation has doubled and, indeed, trebled, while unemployment has increased by about 50 per cent and GNP until this year has been static. I do not believe the Employer/ Labour Conference is equipped to deal with economic issues other than pay. Yet its decisions affect employment, prices and Exchequer finances. These considerations, particularly Exchequer finances, are directly influencing the content of the national agreement proposals, yet the parties to the agreement have no explicit way of putting these issues onto the agenda of the Employer/Labour Conference, since their only mandate is to deal with incomes and with costs.

The big economics issues at the moment are precisely those which are affected by the agreement, but cannot as yet be incorporated within it, employment, inflation, Exchequer financing and budgetary policy. It is almost impossible to expect from workers a response to cries for restraint, if they do not see that restraint translated into extra employment. There is no guarantee that restraint, resulting in increases in profits, will be channelled into investment and, therefore, into more employment. For that reason, the only possibilities for success are within the context of a short term economic plan which would involve budgetary policy.

As a corollary and a supplement to that, we need a real economic development plan because of the dimension of our employment problems which, as we have demonstrated, are way beyond the capacity of present or past policies, which mainly have been centred around the IDA and completely dependent upon private enterprise. We need a commitment to full employment, using whatever means are open to us to generate employment. I do not mean by a plan the control of public expenditure, which is a viewpoint often held by certain people, but we require a plan in the full meaning of the direction and control of investment. Also we need to liberate, within the context of this plan, the State sector from the confines to which it has been restricted by past ideological attitudes. In that regard, the publication of the Green Paper is to be welcomed specifically, because of its commitment to a plan which it described as a clearly defined plan and, on page 38, to effective economic and social planning, because of its commitment to a planned system to ensure social justice, because of its commitment to job creation as the overall national priority.

Because of its commitment to new institutional arrangements to carry out effective economic and social planning, a commitment contained on page 38, as a Deputy of the Labour Party I welcome this aspect of the Green Paper wholeheartedly and see in it a real hope for the future that, as distinct from programming, we can have the emergence of real economic planning. I welcome, too, the Green Paper's short-term response to reduce unemployment and the various means outlined in it. I also welcome the commitment to mobilise the potentialities of the existing public enterprises, contained on page 37 of the Green Paper, and the prospect of the creation of an industrial development corporation which would supervise and co-ordinate other semi-State bodies and which would also be charged with the identification of new opportunities for productive investment, either public or joint ventures. That is one of the most important and significant policy innovations contained in the Green Paper.

I welcome, too, the commitment to regenerate Mianraí Teoranta so that it will undertake directly on behalf of the State exploration and the development of our natural resources. I welcome the commitment to the establishment of a zinc smelter which has, as we know, a guaranteed supply of concentrates, and the anticipation within the Green Paper of downstream industries involved in processing products of the smelter. I also welcome the consideration of a development bank, the planned changeover to co-operative enterprises, the sponsoring of co-operative projects, the encouragement of worker participation and profit sharing, the national development bank and the incomes related to pensions schemes which lately has been the subject of a Green Paper. All of these are to be welcomed. They are contained within the Green Paper and make it a very worthwhile prelude to planning indeed. It will not have any response from me other than a positive welcome. I believe that on the basis of it we can look forward to a White Paper and to a plan based on consensus.

I believe the Fianna Fáil policy document to be dishonest since it does not mention the existence of a world crisis which must, in itself, be a record. I believe its job creation targets to be unrealisable. Specifically, given that in 1973 a 7 per cent increase in GNP only led to 13,000 jobs, I am quite at a loss to see how a similar increase in GNP is projected in 1978 and 1979 to give 25,000 new jobs, given that in those two years the public capital programme contained within that plan is to remain constant. I also believe it to be unrealistic in respect of inflation. A flexible exchange rate would be the only way in which we could prevent this economy from suffering the worst ravages of inflation.

I do not believe we can have a meaningful comprehensive economic response to the existing situation unless we also incorporate in it a major review of the link at par with sterling. This year we celebrate the 150th anniversary of that link. No currency has been linked with any other currency in the world for so long. It is a situation which is totally and absolutely unique. It may have had some justification in the 1920s and the 1930s, the last occasion on which it was examined at the behest of this House and of the Government. We must now have a re-examination of that link. It is the automatic means for importing inflation, something which is recognised now not only by academic economists, but by the Government and by the Central Bank and, implicitly, yesterday by Deputy Lynch, and yet not acted upon. I believe inflation in the UK will increase next year, not diminish. We face the prospect, at a time of economic recovery, of importing a very high rate of inflation. We have seen its impact.

For example, it is affecting mortgage rates. It inhibits investment. It raises food cost. It creates social chaos and imbalances.

This is a taboo which should be subjected to the light of discussion, not only in this House, but preferably by a Government commission. I hope the Government will undertake to establish a commission along the lines of that set up by the Fianna Fáil Government in the 1930s when this matter was last analysed.

When one hears Deputy Halligan's views on breaking the link with sterling, and his belief that it would be the solution of much if not all of our problems——

I did not say that. I never have said that.

——one then begins to realise, if one had not done so already, just how naïve everything else he said for the past three-quarters of an hour must be, if he believes the link with sterling can be broken in the easy fashion which he advocated.

I never said that either.

Yesterday Deputy Lynch laid down the conditions on which this country could and should break the link with sterling. Unless those conditions are complied with we are mad even to contemplate it because it will make our existing bad situation even worse to do so. When we have, as Deputy Halligan well knows, an inflation rate well above the British rate——

That is not true.

——which may next year be twice as much as the British rate, how in the name of goodness can he or anybody else suggest that breaking the link with sterling will strengthen our economy or our power when in fact the Irish £ will automatically become significantly weaker than the existing £ sterling?

Would the Deputy quote us the basis for that statement?

Deputy O'Malley.

The sheer naïvete of Deputy Halligan's remarks about sterling, which clearly are not shared by the Government, and let that at least be to the credit of the Government, gives one reason to be disappointed with everything he said before that because if what he said before is based on equally spurious reasoning there cannot, unfortunately, be much sense in any of it.

Time and time again over the past two years this party in this House and outside it have hammered home the point that in the circumstances of the economic conditions which were obviously developing there was no place whatever for complacency or superficiality or the pursuit of party political advantage. We repeatedly urged the Government to forego the short-term and blatant pursuit of popularity and to face up to the real issues of inflation and unemployment before it was too late and before total disaster was upon us.

In that respect I want to quote from a document which was published yesterday and which is most disturbing, to say the least of it. It was commissioned by the Bank of Ireland, prepared by Messrs McKinsey in a totally apolitical way without any axe to grind in a political or any other sense in regard to this country. It is simply an effort to set forth the facts in relation to this country and the future of our economy. I quote part of paragraph 6 on page 2 of that report where it sums up the present situation and what faces us:

But so far we have been buying time rather than addressing the basic issues. It is no exaggeration to say that a continuation of our present course will lead us headlong into disaster—and fairly quickly. We shall lose more jobs as our competitive position deteriorates. The job opportunities open to our young people will become more and more limited, both in numbers and in scope. There will be major threats to our living standards as investment dries up. As time passes, the choices open to us will become more difficult—and more painful.

I do not think anybody could deny the accuracy of that. It is not tendentious, it is not emotional, it is a simple, plain, factual statement, and unfortunately I am afraid it is true.

Who made it, McKinsey or the bank?

McKinseys made it for the bank.

They are the "we" in that?

No, the "we" are Ireland, the people of Ireland.

Being spoken for by McKinseys?

McKinseys are not speaking for them. They are describing the situation that faces us, the Irish people.

But they are using the first person plural.

I sat without interrupting Deputy Halligan for one second during three-quarters of an hour. I have been interrupted on approximately 15 occasions so far in less than five minutes.

I am sorry. I apologise.

Deputy O'Malley.

I find it difficult to believe that the Government's approach to the economic crisis is anything but a tawdry attempt at papering over the cracks in their bankrupt economic policies. They had the brass-necked audacity to claim here last night that a major recovery is already on the way, when every ordinary member of the public, not to mention every responsible commentator, is quite clear that we are even now looking over the sheer edge of the precipice. Yesterday we had the Minister for Finance in effect for the first 20 minutes or so of his speech telling us we never had it so good. That was the gist of his message. He told us our output was increasing and that a few other things that he managed to scrape up somewhere or other were improving. He and other speakers told us that there had been a major world recession which was the sole cause of our recession here but that we had now turned the corner and there were tremendous prospects for us.

I can recall as long as almost two years ago attending the opening of a factory in the mid-western region and being informed by the Minister for the Gaeltacht that our economy had turned the corner and that there was nothing but prosperty ahead of us in the years to come. That was at the end of 1974. The Government speakers dared to test the patience of the people by claiming again, as they did yesterday, that the current unprecedented chaos for which they are so patently responsible is really due to the fact that Fianna Fáil were in power for so long. This is the kind of wild statement that we have only too tragically come to expect from that well-known economic wizard the present Minister for Finance. Let me very quickly, calmly and factually tell him and the Government a few home truths.

Our national debt today is of the order of 70 per cent of our gross national product which puts it among the highest in the world. This total debt is nearly three times what it was in 1972, the last full year of Fianna Fáil administration. The foreign proportion of that debt is now more than four times what it was when we left office. The servicing of that debt is now costing approximately £7 per week for every worker in this country compared with a little over £2 per week at the time Fianna Fáil left office. But it is in the current budget deficits of the last three years which I find some of the greatest source of worry of all and to which I will be referring later. The budget deficit for the current year is no less than 70 times what it was in the last Fianna Fáil budget. Worse still, the cumulative deficit since this Government came to power is now requiring no less than 25 per cent of the total national debt to finance it. May I remind the Government that during the entire length of the last world war Deputy Eamon de Valera's Government allowed the national debt of this State to rise by no more than £20 million? It now costs us more than that each month to service not our existing national debt but the increase in the debt for which this Government have been responsible. Put in simple terms, we have borrowed more in the past 3½ years than we borrowed in the 52 years that this country was independent, from 1921 to 1973.

This Government were elected in 1973 primarily on the spurious claim that they would control prices. Since they came to power prices have doubled. The consumer price index is there to prove that. Of course many individual items have far more than doubled. Inflation has now been at disaster level for over two years. Our unemployment is by far the highest in Europe.

The truth is that these two years are extremely reminiscent of the period 1956 and early 1957 under the last Coalition Government. Then, as now, the economy was either contracting or, at the very best, not expanding. Then, as now, unemployment was a growing threat. Then, as now, the future looked grim and foreboding. To those who lived through those years it will not be necessary to remind them of the comparison nor of the sense of confidence and optimism which was heralded in late 1957 and in 1958 by the return to power of the Fianna Fáil Government. At that time it seemed impossible but 1958 saw the beginning of a period of 14 years of uninterrupted growth in this country. There are some people who believe that because two previous Coalitions made a mess and because those messes were put right by Fianna Fáil that it can be just as easily done by Fianna Fáil on this occasion now that the third Coalition has been the most disastrous of them all.

I do not want to disillusion them about Fianna Fáil's ability ultimately to rectify the economy but I would draw to their attention the huge distinction that exists between the messes which ended each of the last two Coalitions and the mess that exists as this one approaches an end. The distinction is this: the mess that the two previous Coalitions made more or less ended with themselves. It was possible to change around the economy within a relatively short time and on each occasion it was done substantially within 12 months. On this occasion the consequences of this Coalition will haunt this country for decades to come because this Government, unlike the two previous Coalition Governments, have mortgaged our future and that of our children in such a way that the taxation that will be raised here by successive Governments during the next 20 years will have to go in increasing proportion simply to repay what was borrowed in these 3½ profligate years. That is the major difference between this Coalition and their two ill-fated predecessors. It will be well into the 1990s, and possibly into the next century, before this nation is free of the millstone that has been tied around its neck by the borrowing and profligacy we have seen since 1973.

Even at this late stage I say to the members of the Government for God's sake face up to the truth. I would tell them: "The beginning of wisdom is to admit that you have been wrong. You have been wrong in your choice of the soft option since you took power. You have been wrong in refusing to listen to this party and to responsible commentators in budget after budget. You have been wrong in placing your instincts for power above your concern for the country. You have been wrong in discouraging the Irishman's and Irishwoman's natural desire to work and to work hard. You have been wrong in creating a new élite out of those who cynically prefer leisure. You have been wrong in the content and in the timing of your fiscal reforms. You have been wrong in your policy and in your ham-fisted negotiation attitudes to the development of our natural resources. There have been few activities of your administration as a Government which have not been either superficial in their analysis, cynical in their motivation or naïve in their execution. The only single thing you can do now to redeem this unparalleled travesty of a Government is to admit it, to face up to it and to tell the people you have been ill-advised, that you have gambled and lost. Even now you should bring your joint attention to the economic plight of the country and away from your habitual concern and concentration of simply retaining power.”

Throughout the 3½ years of this Government there has been a belief that massive use of inflationary current deficits would of themselves end unemployment or reduce it substantially. There was no heed given by the Government to our warning that at a time when the climate of investment confidence had been seriously damaged or destroyed, when the interest rates were high and likely to rise further, when unemployment was at a crisis level and with inflation at the highest rate ever seen in the country, that to continue to increase money supply would not of itself solve unemployment or any other problem. There was no way that the sort of spending that was induged in could fail to add another major twist to the spiral of inflation at a time when there was no realistic possibility of a growth in output because the private sector had been so discouraged. This advice was given at successive budgets by Deputy Colley and by other speakers on this side of the House but still the Government continued to plunge us deeper into the financial mire, chasing the chimera of inflation curing employment. Now we have unemployment at the highest level in Europe to prove the point of our argument. What I fear is that in spite of all their mistakes this Coalition Government are so drunk with power they have not learned anything from their long list of mistakes.

I want to draw attention to the other arm of the deadly pincer which is producing the actual crunch in our economy. I refer to the amazing level of our current savings. This is mirrored in the fact that we are saving more than 20 per cent of our disposable income, a truly staggering figure which placs us firmly at the head of the European league. In normal times, indeed up to three years ago, this would have been something to be proud of and to boast about and it would have been of the most tremendous value to the country. However, in the context of the current economic chaos it may well mean just the opposite. Such an abnormally high level of savings is undoubtedly due to fear, doubt and uncertainty. These are the very motives that are governing the activities, or the lack of activities, of investors and causing decisions by entrepreneurs to be deferred or not to be taken at all. One great danger is that this abnormal rise in savings, compounding the fall in industrial investment, has been more than making up for the direct stimulus given to demand by these recurring budget deficits.

It is necessary to explain in relation to this that the constant large current budget deficits that we have had should have put a lot of money back into the economy and should have stimulated consumer and domestic demand generally at home. However, they have not done that. The figures prove that there has been no significant real rise in domestic demand in spite of the fact that the Government, by virtue of the deficit strategy, have put hundreds of millions of pounds into the economy. The reason there has not been a rise in consumer and domestic demand is due to the fact that people who have money are saving it, are putting it aside rather than spending it.

Such value as there might have been in these large and continual current budget deficits has been set aside and rendered useless due to the fact that 20 per cent of our people's disposable income over the past years have often gone into savings when a good proportion of them should have gone into the purchasing of goods of all kinds to stimulate demand within the economy and another large proportion of them should in the normal way, and would I suggest in a normal economy under a normal government, have gone into industrial and commercial investment.

The tragedy of it is that this has not happened and the abnormally large amounts of money now being saved and now available in the banks and similar institutions is lying there and is not being put to the use to which it could and should be put because of what I described as the atmosphere of fear, doubt and uncertainty about the future which exists not just among entrepreneurs or industrialists or potential industrialists but among even the ordinary people who are not prepared to take the slightest risk and who are not even prepared to spend the money which is now available to them. The result is that over the past three years there has been almost static demand in our home market in spite of the fact that the Government, in an effort to stimulate demand, have been running record accumulating current budget deficits.

It is well to remember that very early on in the lifetime of this Government, in fact, on Tuesday, the 11th December, 1973, at Volume 269 of the Official Report, there was a debate in this House on the oil supply situation which had just become a serious problem for this and for other countries. In the course of that debate, which broadened a bit from just the question of oil supplies and went on to the economy in general, the Minister for Industry and Commerce, Deputy Keating, then not long arrived in that office, eight months or so, and still presumably full of enthusiasm, said a large number of things which if I had time I would like to quote. However, I will confine myself to two short quotations in that Volume. At column 1335 he said:

What one can do, and what prudent government requires is the most detailed planning based on the most detailed investigation and that is being done.

At column 1337, in the last few sentences of his speech on that occasion, the Minister for Industry and Commerce said:

The only prudent course is to plan, to work out details and to have ready all the counter-measures on the basis that the less desirable or advantageous options will materialise. This is the only way to approach it. It is the way we are approaching it.

I think it is worth looking back now, nearly three years later, at those sentences. What have we seen from the Government and, in particular, what have we seen from the Minister for Industry and Commerce on the lines that he indicated there? What planning, what detailed investigation, what counter-measures have been proposed and put into effect? The question is rhetorical, and there is nobody in this country in any doubt that the answer to it is "none". Instead, what have we had from that Minister for Industry and Commerce in the almost three years that have elapsed since 11th December, 1973? We have had a display of lethargy, disinterest and vacillation. We have not had the introduction in this House of any legislation to deal with the IDA or with the terrible industrial problems that face us today other than two tiny Bills allowing the IDA to borrow more from the Government and allowing the IDA to lend more or to guarantee more to certain industries. We simply changed the figure of £40 million in the Act of 1969 to £80 million and changed £50 million to £100 million. He introduced those and we tried to have a debate on industrial development and we were told: "The IDA are doing great things. They are sending proposals to my Department and when I have thought them all out we will bring in a Bill and debate them in full." That is the extent of three and three-quarter years almost of work by the Minister for Industry and Commerce. Last week his Parliamentary Secretary, a very pleasant young man, came in here with a Bill about friendly societies being allowed to lend a little more money to their members; he introduced another Bill giving information to consumers, and he will be here tomorrow with a measure setting up some science board in place of the present National Science Council. These are commendable activities in themselves but they are totally peripheral to the terrible problems that face us.

We are well over half way through this debate and one would have thought we would have heard from the Minister for Industry and Commerce, but we rarely have that pleasure in this House. I am afraid that the continual display of lethargy and indifference that has been so evident over the past three years is extended to the House as much as it is to all sectors of industry, commerce and development.

I want to make a few remarks— I can do it only in general terms in a very confined debate such as this— about the lack of industrial development, the failure to grasp our opportunities over the past few years in this field, and to make some suggestions in that regard. The first thing I want to say is that, so far as future industrial development is concerned, I am convinced, and this party is convinced, that in the long term it will have to be based on our own natural resources. We cannot expect to prosper forever or to get away forever with the somewhat artificial industries that we were forced by circumstances to create over the past 20 years or so.

The long-term secure development of our country can only be assured by industry which is based on our main natural resources, and the principal one of those is agriculture. It may seem strange to say this now when, unfortunately, we see major coops in this country failing or being on the point of failure, but it is in the processing of milk, beef, pork, poultry and all our other agricultural produce, which they are fortunately in the position to produce more cheaply in most cases than anyone else in this country, and in the adding of value to those, that our long-term secure future as a growing industrial nation will lie.

Business suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.

Top
Share