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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 15 Dec 1977

Vol. 302 No. 10

Adjournment of Dáil: Motion(Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That the Dáil at its rising this week to adjourn for the Christmas Recess.
—(The Taoiseach.)

Deputy FitzGerald, replying for Fine Gael, has 45 minutes.

I take that to mean 44.

Blame Deputy Luke Belton.

I will deal with him later, a Cheann Comhairle. Before dealing with the domestic aspects of the Taoiseach's speech in introducing this debate, which are controversial and on which I may find myself, to say the least, in disagreement with the Government, I should like to deal with the Taoiseach's remarks about Northern Ireland. He made the point that the security situation in Northern Ireland seems to be getting better, and this is something we are all glad of and hope it can be sustained. However, one has to comment that it seems to be getting better to a degree at our expense and that there seems to be an increasing tendency for those who are engaged in terrorist activities in the North to engage in them here at danger to human life and considerable cost to the community. It does raise the question of the disposition of our security forces with a view to ensuring that these activities are kept under control. The Taoiseach made particular reference to the care that needs to be taken in the disposition of security forces of a certain type or tradition in particular areas in Northern Ireland, which he said is a matter that can cause great trouble. I endorse what he says in regard to this matter; indeed, I go further and say that where we are talking of a particular unit of the security forces it is not just that there is a problem about it serving in particular areas in Northern Ireland. I think it is a question of its service in Northern Ireland at all in view of the record of one particular group, and it should be seriously reconsidered by the UK Government. We have sufficient interest in the maintenance of peace in Northern Ireland from every point of view, from the point of view of this State, from the point of view of our concern for the people of Ireland as a whole, to have a right to take this matter up with the UK Government.

The Taoiseach says he does not need to underline the sensitivity of this matter. It would seem that he does need to underline the sensitivity of this matter to the UK Government and it might be no harm if he did that and if it were done rapidly before the provocation that could be given by this particular force operating in Northern Ireland heightening the tension again and creating a recrudescence of terrorist activity which has, as the Taoiseach said, been dying down.

In regard to his remarks on the discussions aimed at an interim devolution arrangement, I can only endorse his hope that these discussions will come to something. For them to do so will require considerable skill and openmindedness on the part of the UK Government and the Secretary of State, an openmindedness in putting forward proposals which are related to the desires of the two sections of the community to make some progress towards devolution but within certain constraints that arise from their divergence of attitude to the question of power sharing. No pre-occupations or preconceptions on the part of the UK Government should stand in the way of proposals being made that are likely to secure a measure of support in Northern Ireland. It would be a pity if a basis for agreement were to be at least possible—one cannot put it higher than that—if this were to fail because of a reluctance on the part of the UK Government to put forward proposals along the lines that seem to interest many of the potential participants. This would include a significant measure of legislative devolution. I shall not pursue that further on this occasion but I feel it right to add that comment to what the Taoiseach has said.

This debate has been and necessarily is primarily concerned with the affairs, above all the economic and social affairs, of this State in this part of the island of Ireland. When I originally considered my remarks for this occasion, I had intended to spend a good deal of time in putting on record the state of the country when we left office. With a single exception, the Taoiseach has done this job excellently for me. I could hardly have produced better figures for this purpose. The only exception—and I do not fault him for it because the information was not available to him at the time he spoke —relates to inflation, the latest figures for which were published only today. These figures show an increase of no more than 1.7 per cent in the consumer price index for the latest quarter, which gives an annual rate of inflation for the last 12 months of only 10.8 per cent, significantly lower than the best hopes we had in Government ourselves; indeed, significantly lower than what we committed ourselves to in the election campaign as being feasible and achievable on the basis of the policies we had been pursuing.

These figures show that for the second half of the year, even if one makes full allowance for the effect of road tax abolition, the impact of which on the consumer price index Fianna Fáil are entitled to the credit for, the inflation rate is down to 3.4 per cent, an annual equivalent of 6½ per cent. If one compares the annual rate of 10.8 per cent for the last 12 months and the 3.4 per cent for the last six months, leaving the road tax abolition aside, these figures compare extraordinarily well with the 25 per cent inflation rate at the height of the post-oil crisis inflation of two-and-a-half years ago when the extraordinary inflation in Britain communicated itself to us with particular force; indeed it compares remarkably with the 20 per cent inflation rate of as recently as 12 months ago. I do not think any other country in Europe has achieved a comparable reduction in inflation in recent times by a virtual halving from 20 per cent to 10.8 per cent within 12 months. That is an achievement which except for a fraction of 1 per cent relating to the road tax, is the achievement of our Government. It derives from our actions when in Government and, most important of all, our actions in relation to the national wage round which is at present in force and the negotiations of which we sought to facilitate by tax concessions and where we secured a very satisfactory outcome.

Having made that point about inflation which the Taoiseach was not in a position to make yesterday because the figures were not available I should like to remind the House about what he said about other aspects of the economy. On the growth of the economy, which he put at around 5 per cent this year—this may be an underestimate because the ESRI has suggested a figure of 6 per cent—he described this as being near the top of the league table internationally. I agree with him; in fact, only Japan and the United States have similar growth rates this year. Within the EEC and with respect to the other non-EEC industrialised countries growth rate this year are now projected at 2½ per cent in both cases. The Taoiseach told us that investment was dynamic with the principal impetus coming from the private sector. He said that investment in equipment and machinery was up 15 per cent. Indeed it is. The achievement of a dynamic rate of investment at a time when the rest of the world economy is drooping is indeed one of the great achievements of our Government. The Taoiseach referred to the significant improvement in private consumption and said that consumer demand was up 4½ per cent. He also stated that it grew throughout the year and added that the improvement in consumer confidence had played a large part in inducing the revival in consumption. Given that this revival in consumption has occurred throughout the year it, therefore, began before this year started. The question of who secured the improved confidence causing this recovery is one that admits of no doubt or argument; it was the Government that was in power in 1976 and the first half of this year. They created the confidence that has led to this recovery.

The Taoiseach also told the House that exports were up by 35 per cent in value. Indeed they are. As far as I can calculate from the price indices, it means a 17 per cent increase in the volume of our exports overall. It is an unprecedented increase and is almost three times the rate of increase of exports for industrialised countries generally, now projected at 6 per cent for the current year. The Taoiseach told us that industrial output was more than 8 per cent higher in the first half of the year, on top of last year's 10 per cent. He added that the July-August figures were also encouraging. All of that is as a result of our efforts when in Government. He told us that employment in industry continued to rise and that it was up by 6,500 between the second quarter of 1976 and 1977. When he referred to industry I believe he should have said manufacturing industry. If one includes mining, quarrying and turf, not taking into account the building industry, the increase is 8,000 in that period. The Taoiseach said that for the year as a whole there had been an average rise of 7,000 in industrial employment and I assume he was referring to manufacturing industry.

The Taoiseach told us that the trend in cement sales was encouraging but he might have added that the trend was encouraging since May when the weather improved and not since the Government changed, as he may have sought to imply. He might have added that the number of houses completed in the 12 months up to September was fully 25,000 in spite of all the propaganda that we were in some way failing in the housing drive. We maintained that figure of 25,000 houses per year to the end of our period of office. Throughout most of our period in office we exceeded that figure and it ran at 26,000. The question which the country will ask is: can Fianna Fáil continue this rate of house building which they never achieved in their periods in office? The highest figure they ever attained, at the end of their period in office after a long slow movement upwards from a desperately low figure in the first six years they were in power, was 21,000.

This year has been a good year for farmers. The Taoiseach told us—I was interested in the figure—that the volume of gross output would be up 9 per cent. I find the figure interesting because it is very much higher than the figure recently suggested by the Central Bank of a 5 per cent increase. This means that the Central Bank's estimates of agricultural incomes, involving a 35 per cent increase, must be understand if the volume of output is going to be 4 per cent more than the Central Bank thought. Then the true increase in farm incomes must be of the order of 40 per cent. This will give farmers a family farm income this year of £750 million, almost three times the £275 million they had under Fianna Fáil in 1972. Incidentally, the Taoiseach's attempt later in his speech to suggest that farm incomes have risen less proportionately than other incomes is based on a selected choice of years, omitting the 1977 figures from that calculation although he had spoken of them earlier in his speech. The true comparison to make is between 1972, when Fianna Fáil were last in office, and the current year, and in that period I find that both family farm incomes and total wages and salaries have risen by 270 per cent. Incidentally, taking full account of the consumer price index increase over that period, that means an increase in real incomes in agriculture and the rest of the economy of almost 30 per cent in those five years, despite the world economic crisis. I wonder whether any other European country has achieved a comparable increase in real incomes during that crisis.

To all the Taoiseach has said I would add only one further fact, something to which insufficient attention has been drawn. It is the fact that in this year we have had an enormous inflow of capital in here, at least in the first eight months—the figures for the later period are not to hand yet. In that period, which fell almost exclusively into the period of office of the Coalition Government the autonomous private capital inflow which is the best test of international confidence in any economy was £425 million, four times the average of the preceding years. This is a figure which is exclusive of Government borrowing and which represents the ordinary free flow of funds as people choose where to put their money to get the best return and to keep it safe. They chose this country on a massive scale during this period. That is the most remarkable tribute to the performance of the Coalition Government which the Taoiseach summed up so well in his speech. What words did the Taoiseach use to summate all his remarks on the current year? He said—and I thank him for it:

This is the sort of foundation on which we can build if we manage our affairs properly.

The words, "if we manage our affairs properly", were added very wisely. I accept that that is where the doubt lies.

I could have sought no better testimonial from our successors than the Taoiseach provided us with, but the question is: will they manage our affairs properly? It is the nagging doubt with regard to that which must concern us all. As a political Opposition it might suit us if the Government failed but as patriotic Irishmen we must hope that, in spite of everything, they succeed. However, we must have doubts and others have doubts also. The EEC seem to have some doubts. In its report on the economic situation of the Community, No. 3 for 1977, published a fortnight ago, the Commission, after saying that the new Government's policies would mean that the balance of payments would move further into deficit added:

Under these conditions, economic policy will have to be based primarily on a careful regulation of domestic demand so as to avoid the dangers inherent in over-stimulation of consumption demand. Although it would bring about a temporary improvement in the employment situation, such a development would ultimately necessitate undesirable measures to curb activity.

That is precisely our fear, a fear so diplomatically expressed by the EEC Commission, and they always express their criticisms in diplomatic language as we know from our period in office. They fear that all the work we did to get the economy moving ahead, and what the Taoiseach has accurately described as a place near the top of the league internationally, may be undone by the consequences of an unscrupulous attempt to deceive and bribe voters to put back into office: Fianna Fáil Government.

I should like to state that achieving this extraordinary economic success described so fully by the Taoiseach was not easy. Firstly, it had to be done in the face of a reduction of more than two-thirds in the growth rate of the industrialised countries between the pre-crisis years, 1969-1973, and the crisis years, 1974-1976, a reduction in the growth rate from 4.7 to 1.5 per cent. It had to be achieved also in the face of the collapse of sterling which declined in value by more than one-third in the spring of 1975 and the autumn of 1976, thus pushing up our import prices by one-third in 18 months. As a country which imports half our needs, that alone involved automatically, discounting any impact it might have on domestic inflation, an inflation rate of 17 per cent over that period of a year-and-a-half.

How, in the face of these difficulties, in the face of a reduction of one-third of the world's growth rate, in the face of the collapse of sterling in the 18-month period from the spring of 1975 to the autumn of 1976, did the National Coalition Government achieve the remarkable results described by the Taoiseach in his speech? First of all, and it is a precondition of success in this area, we created confidence in our ability to control public expenditure which was out of control when we took over. In our period in office for the first time non-paying expenditure in real terms was held steady for several successive years. That is important because there is a large amount of Government expenditure—it is not particularly productive except in so far as it employs civil servants to spend it, but it is necessary— and that cannot be got rid of without disrupting the economy. Its expansion will not, of course, necessarily achieve either any particular economic improvement or any social improvement, such as an increase in social welfare expenditure. The fact that we held down this part of Government expenditure and kept it steady for several years, which no previous Government had done, promoted that confidence in our ability to control the economy, a confidence which had previously been lacking.

Secondly, and most important, our Government secured the confidence of the social partners and, even more important—and I do not apologise for saying it because it is the fact of the situation—the confidence of the trade unions. We did this by pursuing a policy of social justice. I need not dwell on the record of the gaps left in the system by Fianna Fáil after 16 years. Neither need I dwell on our efforts to plug those gaps and what we had to do to raise the purchasing power of pensions for widows, the aged and other underprivileged groups from below the subsistence level at which Fianna Fáil had left them. These moves were not only right for their own sake but were an essential part of our commitment to social justice, a commitment which the party opposite so notably lacked.

But they were also important for our economic future because they made possible the social contract. They made possible agreement on this year's wage round because the confidence the trade unions had in us as a Government dedicated to social progress was a critical contributory factor when it came to negotiating this wage round and creating the conditions in which a moderate wage round could be negotiated. Indeed, that wage round, the negotiation of which was achieved because of our commitment to social progress, underlined our commitment by its impact in the trade unions and this has had its effect on competitiveness and provided the key to the extraordinary growth we have seen throughout the current year.

I must in conscience here warn Fianna Fáil, who seem grossly insensitive on this issue and who can be seen to be so from their manifesto, which is totally devoid of social content, that the failure to do justice and to be seen to do justice to the underprivileged could undo the atmosphere we created which made a moderate wage round possible and made possible the economic growth we have observed. The tone of the Taoiseach's speech offered no encouragement to the idea that Fianna Fáil in Government again will be any more socially concerned than they were in Government before or in Opposition when they were preparing their manifesto of goodies for the "Haves", for those who have cars on which road tax could be remitted, those who have houses on which rates could be abolished, those who have savings to buy a house, savings that can be supplemented—it is very hard to believe, as it turned out, that the supplement is purely marginal—and those who have enough income to benefit from remissions.

Let us note carefully what the Taoiseach said yesterday morning on social welfare, if you can find it. It is very brief. It takes up half a page of a 23-page speech. There are three sentences reciting how many beneficiaries there are and the percentage increase in numbers. The tone of these sentences leaves one undecided as to whether the Taoiseach in reciting these facts is doing so with neutrality, approval or with an element of disapproval. These three sentences are followed then by one sentence which says that we must ensure that expenditure is directed "to where it is most needed and can do most good." Is this merely a platitude such as one finds in ministerial speeches, in the best of them, or is it a hidden threat of cutbacks to come?

Finally, the last sentence in this short paragraph of five sentences devoted to social welfare says it is the intention of the Government to ensure that the value of welfare payments is maintained "and where possible to increase those payments especially where there is greatest need". Note the double qualification—two wheres. I have to warn that this type of attitude if it persists will in the experience I had of Government certainly threaten the possibility of agreement with the social partners because our ability to achieve that agreement was based on confidence and trust in us that the benefits of growth would be fairly spread, as we did fairly spread them despite the fact that this led to criticism from the people over whom those resources had to be spread, and they are 75 per cent of the community, the poorer sections of the community. Fianna Fáil may think that by playing to the "haves" and ignoring the underprivileged they can govern successfully. They certainly cannot govern justly in that way. Neither can they govern successfully because I do not think the trade unions would be willing to do business on that basis.

I have dealt with two of the measures we took to get the country moving at the rate at which it has been moving, the creation of confidence in our ability to control public expenditure and our concern for the underprivileged, thereby securing the co-operation of the trade unions. The third step we took was to introduce major incentives for enterprise, incentives having no parallel in our previous history. Fianna Fáil in Government over 16 years had raised the maximum tax rate to 80 per cent, hitting people with incomes which, while well above average, are not abnormal for executives, technologists and others with key skills. We cut the rate marginally first to 77 per cent. The rate then was, I think, lower than in any other country in Europe and lower than in the United States of America. This year then we cut the rate dramatically to 60 per cent leaving these groups with twice as big a share of their incomes over a figure of about £7,000 or £8,000. That was an important major incentive for people who seemed to feel the need for an incentive, people who, if they are allowed to retain a reasonable proportion of what they earn, will be willing to work harder in the interests of expanding output and increasing employment.

The second measure we took was designed to help domestic firms which hitherto had not benefited from tax reliefs. Tax reliefs went to exporters and, most notably, to new foreign firms investing here. We halved the rate of company tax for those who increased their output and employment, even marginally, over the three years beginning this year. By these three means we created a climate of confidence with trade unions which gave us a moderate wage round, a wage round of about 7½ to 8 per cent increase in wage rates, negotiated at a time when the inflation rate was still 20 per cent. This required at the time an act of faith that inflation would come down to well below 10 per cent within a year or, indeed, one could say 7 per cent in the second half of this year. We inspired that act of faith and a willingness to accept an increase in wage rates far below the rate of inflation in the belief that our Government would succeed in getting inflation down and with the tax remissions the workers would be better off, and we were right. The Taoiseach has given the figure in his speech. He says the real incomes of workers this year are up 3½ per cent. They are up because we succeeded in halving the inflation rate and that, together with tax incentives and the increase in wage rates and earnings, has left workers better off this year.

At the same time this moderate increase in basic wage rates has given us the dynamic investment described by the Taoiseach, and has given us the unprecedented growth that we have achieved in the face of the slowing down of the entire world economy. Through the effect of this moderate wage round on the competitiveness of our goods, we secured a massive growth of manufacturing exports in this year —50 per in the value of manufactured exports for the first nine months which implies a 30 per cent increase in their value. We also secured a fair share for Irish firms on the home market against competing imports, because Irish firms were competitive and able to compete without losing further ground against imports. In many cases they gained something. The result of the massive expansion of exports and the expansion and strengthening of the home market has been booming output, and the spare capacity in industry has been largely used up by the steady growth of industrial output since the end of 1975. It has meant this year for many workers the end of short-time working, the reintroduction of overtime, and in many cases the reapplication of productivity agreements that had been in abeyance during the crisis. As a result the increase in workers' earnings has been well beyond the increase in wage rates. This has ensured for workers the 3½ per cent increase in their living standards to which the Taoiseach referred. It is the increase in workers' and farmers' purchasing power this year which has boosted home demand by the 4½ per cent figure mentioned by the Taoiseach. This boost to the home demand for goods has helped to increase manufacturing output. We are launched on a beneficial cycle of growth if only it can be maintained, if only this cycle is not destroyed by unwise action on the part of the Government.

What has the Fianna Fáil manifesto to offer industry to keep up this extra-ordinary growth? The first thing I find in it is the "Buy Irish" campaign, which is to yield the extra 10,000 jobs. Where is this campaign? The Taoiseach, as head of the Government, told us, and the House must have been excited to hear, that it is at an advanced stage of consideration after almost six months of Government by a Cabinet which claimed to have a comprehensive and effective programme ready when it came into office. By "at an advanced stage of consideration" the Taoiseach may mean that we may see some modest little effort dropped into the pool, not causing any great splash, sometime next year or may be the following year, or we may never hear of it again. Of all the ideas in the manifesto this was not the most brilliant, as the Taoiseach can probably see.

The manifesto also offered a Seán Lemass type of industrial development consortium. Why drag Seán Lemass into it? He certainly never undertook anything as half-baked as this. Seán Lemass tried and failed to turn Government Departments individually into development agencies. By saying he failed, I am not imputing blame. It is a difficult task, as I can appreciate, after four-and-a-half years in Government. Seán Lemass never deluded himself or tried to delude anybody else that by bringing nine Departments and agencies together in a committee he would solve Ireland's problems. No one knew better than Seán Lemass the iron law of public administration, which I trust after I have enunciated it will be called "FitzGerald's first, second and third law": it is that the time taken to get anything done increases as the square of the number of Departments and agencies involved in the decision making process. What one Department might do in a month—supposing any Department could move that fast—would be done in four months with two Departments, nine months with three Departments, and 81 months with nine Departments, which is the lifetime of one-and-a-half Governments. If that means that we will inherit this consortium the next time we get in, we will take very rapid action to replace it with something a little more effective.

Deputies

Hear, hear.

(Interruptions.)

Deputy FitzGerald without interruption.

We cannot exclude the possibility that when the next election comes this consortium may be approaching its first decision, which it may turn up with like a bone in a dog's mouth when we replace Fianna Fáil in the benches opposite.

The manifesto also said that a new export credit finance corporation would be considered. It does not say they will do anything about it. We know what "considered" means, especially when we see how long it has taken Fianna Fáil to implement the things they decided in Opposition, never mind the things they considered in Opposition. Apart from this the manifesto offers so much waffle to industry. There is nothing else of any content in it. What must concern industry more than the absence of anything concrete or useful is the danger hinted at politely by the EEC Commission: that the Government's programme will overheat the economy by expanding consumer demands instead of stimulating exports and enterprise and will lead to the need to deflate the economy in a year or two.

We initiated the expansion of jobs first in the industrial sector and then through job creation programmes in the public sector. In the industrial sector our efforts were so successful that in our last quarter in office the number of industrial jobs increased by 2,500, an annual rate of 10,000 jobs. The acceleration of industrial employment in this period owes much to our employment incentive scheme. We also put into effect through the capital programme and through selective increases in current expenditure, to meet situations where new posts were badly needed—for example, in education and in the health services—a job creation programme in the public sector providing for 7,000 new jobs in addition to the new jobs to be created through the employment incentive programme, premium employment programme, the youth employment schemes and so on.

What has happened to these jobs since the 5th July? I undertook some careful research into this. I studied the issues of capital to State bodies up to 2nd December. That is the best indication as to how much of the capital programme we provided for State bodies is being expended. Secondly, I studied all the Supplementary Estimates and they show that on that part of our special job creation programme, which took the form of capital investment, of £37 million no less than £14 million of this is not being spent. That was an extra £37 million on top of the normal budget which itself involved some expansion. In addition £7 million of our normal basic capital programme is not being spent. Fianna Fáil, allegedly concerned about jobs, have failed to produce any significant visible number of new jobs. Their best claim for new jobs filled that I can find in the official record of the Dáil is for 1,900 jobs.

The Deputy has five minutes left.

I do not think so. I have ten, with respect.

The Deputy has five minutes remaining.

The Chair told me that I had just 45 minutes.

Under the order of the House I must call the final speaker at 4.15 p.m.

The Chair has unintentionally misled me, and I shall certainly have to make my remarks.

I did not mislead anybody. On the order of the House——

I am entitled to continue without interruption even from the Chair if the time is as short as that. The best claim of Fianna Fáil is for 1,900 new jobs including 900 allegedly arising from new grants and loans to the building industry. What about the jobs we provided for? The Supplementaries for youth training and employment schemes, for which we set aside £1 million, amounted only to £250,000. Fianna Fáil have not even bothered to ask the Dáil for three-quarters of the sum for youth employment that we provided. They have also sought less than we provided for the employment incentive scheme and the premium employment scheme. Only £300,000 of £1.5 million extra for Bord na Mona has been issued— 200 jobs not created. Less than half of the £2 million extra we provided for public works has been sought—100 jobs not created. Only £3.15 million of the extra £6 million for educational building has been sought under the Supplementary Estimates—225 jobs down. Only £130,000 of the £1.1 million which we provided for fishery harbours has been sought—another 150 jobs down. In the Taoiseach's own area of the £1.3 million which we provided for the Cork Harbour development scheme only £0.6 million has even been sought from the Dáil— 150 less jobs.

The failure to use £21 million of what we set aside for employment creation led to this job shortfall of, as far as I can estimate, 2,500. But they have not totally sabotaged our job creation programme. Dáil Questions have revealed that 4,500 jobs in the public sector have been created since 5th July out of moneys provided in the January budget, and 2,000 have been created in the same period under employment schemes financed by that budget. With 6,500 new jobs created from moneys provided by the National Coalition and with the high rate of employment growth in industry— 2,500 in the second quarter alone— why has unemployment not fallen sharply in recent months? It dropped by 1,000 between July and November. The Taoiseach and Tánaiste may say that this is a period of seasonal increase. Allow for seasonality and what do you get? A reduction of about 4,000 in unemployment in this period, but that is more than accounted for by the new jobs which, in parliamentary replies, the Government have stated have been created out of the moneys in our budget.

Where then are the Government's jobs? Why is it that unemployment has not fallen further than that? What has happened to the Government's crash programme? Has it crashed before take-off? The Taoiseach is not very convincing about it. He talks about creating 600 additional posts for teachers in secondary and vocational schools. Have the teachers been appointed? We are told they have authorised 500 more gardaí. When will they be recruited and trained? We are told that funds have been authorised for the creation of close to 4,700 jobs in building and construction and more than 3,500 new posts in the public service. What does "Funds have been authorised" mean? Authorised by whom? Not by the Dáil in the Supplementaries Estimates. Does it mean that the Government have been passing pieces of paper backwards and forwards between one another? Where are the 5,000 new jobs promised to be created by the Government before the end of the year? If even a fraction of them had ben created, then with the 6,500 jobs which the Government have said in their replies to Parliamentary Questions have been created since 5th July out of moneys provided by our budget, unemployment would not be 107,000 today; it would be down almost to 100,000. The Government have failed abysmally in the first test they set themselves which was to act quickly to get unemployment down. In the meantime we have had endless speeches, above all from the Minister for Economic Planning and Development, starting to explain away the Government failure. Sometimes it is the unions who are being warned that they are going to be blamed. Sometimes it is the world economic situation and sometimes it is the Irish people as a whole. On 15th September the Minister said that success can come only if the Government's efforts are supported and reinforced by all sections of the community. We are all going to be blamed when Fianna Fáil promises are not fulfilled.

I say to Fianna Fáil, "Drop the excuses and get on with the job. Stop sabotaging our job creation programme as you have done by cancelling £21 million of expenditure and leaving 2,500 people out of work who would have been employed had we been in office. Get on with implementing your own programme in a way which will not sabotage the Irish economy which we have handed over to you in first-class shape".

I would like to come back from the never-never land in which we have been entertained in the past three-quarters of an hour during which we were told about this marvellous Government who had got the confidence of investors, of the trade unions and of everybody in sight. I do not know how they lost the election.

In looking at our present and prospective economic policies it is worth-while to consider our economy in the wider international context first. We are pre-eminently a trading nation. Our exports and our imports together add up to more than our total national output. We are much more open to international influences than are the major world economies or most of our Community partners. We all know that Japan lives on trade, but how many of us know that, relatively speaking, we are four times as dependent on trade as the Japanese are? Therefore it is important that we watch what is happening in the world economy because it has a major bearing on the course of our economy.

From the various international meetings which I have attended, representing this country, I have been struck by how similar are the economic problems currently facing Governments everywhere. Unemployment and inflation, which are our major areas of difficulty, are causing concern the world over. Unemployment, which stands at about 6 million in the EEC and over 16 million in the OECD area, constitutes an enormous challenge and it is clear that there is no easy solution to it. All sorts of factors have affected what has been happening in recent years, among them recurring bouts of instability in the international monetary system and the greatly increased cost of energy, but one of the major factors has been the uncertain state of economic thinking. At some of the conferences I have attended, not least at the EEC Ministers for Finance Council where we studied a document issued by the Commission, I discovered the manner in which most economists are now recommending an approach to the problems which are common to all of us, an approach which is remarkably similar to that put forward in the Fianna Fáil election manifesto; indeed, one that was put forward basically in September, 1976, in the Fianna Fáil economic proposals at that time.

The efforts which have been made heretofore in a number of the major economies of the world have not been sufficient. Those efforts are being stepped up, but the most we can hope for is that they will merely enable the world economy to hold its position. We cannot hope in the short term for any real advance in the world economy, and we have been enabled, within the EEC at least, to express our view as to what needs to be done. Whether we are able to exercise some influence is another matter. We have expressed our views and will continue to do so where necessary. I detect change in the climate in this respect and I hope it is for the better.

It is important to understand that there has been, contrary to the expectations at the beginning of the year and the end of last year, a considerable failure to achieve the targets then set and there has been a set-back in the second half of this year in that regard so far as the world economy is concerned. We are vitally dependent on what happens in that regard.

One of the major differences between Fianna Fáil and the Coalition is the basic approach to the whole problem of the development of our economy. We regard the tremendous amount of dependence that our economy has on world trade as a compelling reason for doing everything within our power and under our control to improve our position. The greater our dependence on world trade the greater the obligation on an Irish Government to do what they can within their area of control to improve our economy. I recall only too well my predecessor in the Coalition Government telling us ad nauseam that our economy was like a cork on the ocean with as little control over its destiny as a cork has on the ocean. We do not accept that proposition and we never did. I want to make it clear that our manifesto was based on the proposition that an Irish Government, with the support of the people, can do a great deal to improve the economy of this country whatever happens to the world economy. I want to repeat that is one of the fundamental differences of approach between this Government and our predecessors.

Despite the disimprovement in the situation in the world generally, we face something of a paradox. As I said before, the international situation is far from satisfactory. Yet, even though we are dependent on the world economy, we have managed to do quite well this year. It looks as if we will achieve the fastest growth rate in the EEC this year by a fairly substantial margin. This of itself generates confidence and helps further progress.

Contrary to what Deputy FitzGerald said, this improvement is not due solely, as he said, to the efforts of the Coalition Government in late 1976 and the first half of 1977. They can claim some credit, I freely admit. The credit they can claim is that, for the first time in their history, the Coalition Government in the budget introduced in 1977 began to pay some attention to what we had been telling them all along. They gave some impetus, some incentive. That was the first budget in which they ever did this. All their other budgets—and they had five, or was it six?—worked in the opposite direction. We appealed to them to try to adopt the kind of policy that would create incentive, that would create growth. They told us we were either economically ignorant or socially unconcerned.

Whatever reason they ascribe to it, they suddenly had a partial change of heart in January, 1977. I suppose it is not unreasonable to assume the imminence of the general election might have had something to do with that. Whatever the reason, it had a good effect. Part of that good effect is reflected in what we have been saying about the economy this year. The tragedy is that it was not done so much earlier when it could have been done, and we could have been so much further along the road out of the depression in which we had to exist.

The Tánaiste is not very convincing. The recovery started in 1975.

I did not interrupt Deputy FitzGerald.

There was no interruption all day until now. The Tánaiste without interruption.

Part of the reason why our growth performance this year will be as good as it will be, is that this Government acted energetically to implement our manifesto from the day we came into office. I have in mind such things as the abolition of road tax, the improved scheme for house loans and grants, and the many measures we have already taken to create employment. Weekly there is growing evidence of the beneficial impact of these measures and of the general economic upswing which is taking place, and the effect that is having on the level of unemployment.

The steps we have already taken are proof that the manifesto will be implemented in full. Any sensible economic policy is a set of related measures. If you change one you must affect the other. Our manifesto is such a package. Contrary to what has been alleged in this debate, we said so when we issued our manifesto. We said it all through the election. I know Coalition speakers would dearly love to claim an alibi for their resounding defeat in the election. The alibi is that the manifesto consisted of bribes and goodies for the electorate. That is the alibi. What is the truth?

The truth is that the manifesto is a package which has attractive features but which also clearly spelled out items of restraint in regard to incomes and public expenditure. We were attacked during the course of the election campaign on these very issues. We were asked how we would enforce them. Would we bring in legislation to control wages? What would we do about the borrowing requirements? We were attacked right, left and centre on all of this. It is no good pretending now the people did not know these were features of our manifesto. We said consistently that it was a package and that it had to be an integrated programme if it was to work. Whatever alibi the Coalition want for losing the election, let them not propagate that myth which suggests the Irish people were so gullible that they fell for what they wanted to hear and ignored the rest. That is not the truth.

It was a lucky bag more than a package.

The progress made this year on growth and employment is most welcome. Inflation is an area in which considerable results have also been achieved, results which, from the viewpoint of the economy in the longer term, may be even more significant. Curbing inflation and thereby improving Ireland's competitive position internationally is a central aim of the Government's economic strategy. It is designed to secure sustained high growth in output and employment. There is already firm evidence that, in the short period since we took office, real progress has been made towards getting our rate of inflation down to an acceptable level.

Figures published today show that, in the six months up to mid-November, consumer prices rose by less than 3 per cent compared with about 8 per cent in the previous six months. This improvement reflects the direct action taken by the Government. While one must be cautious, of course, in interpreting short term trends, I am confident these figures provide a definite indication that the underlying trend in inflation is a favourable one. Clearly the economy is evolving along the lines we envisaged in our manifesto.

There is, therefore, as the Taoiseach indicated, a solid foundation on which to build a prosperous future for our people. A good beginning such as we are now seeing is crucial, but a lasting improvement in our economic fortunes depends on our future actions as a community. Foremost among these is our approach to incomes. A sensible and socially conscious attitude in this area is imperative if the advances made in recent months are to be consolidated and improved upon.

By now the community at large have appreciated the futile and destructive nature of excessive income increases which drive up prices and leave us vulnerable to our competitors at home and abroad. They see the benefits which are beginning to result from a degree of moderation. Putting it in more colloquial terms, people realise payment in confetti money is no good to them. What is of crucial importance to them is the real value of their take-home pay. Many people have begun to see that the size of a wage increase does not necessarily bear any relation to the real value of one's take-home pay.

It will be clear, not only from our pre-election manifesto but from all we have said and done since then, that this Government regard continued income restraint as absolutely essential to success in the fight against employment and inflation. This is why we have been prepared to offer such a large package of tax concessions and job creation expenditure in exchange. As has been said, it is a package which, taken in its entirety, gives significant real increases to workers. Such a package is possible only in the context of moderate pay increases. The community cannot let itself be deprived of the opportunities now before it. Still less can it let itself be pushed back into the recession from which we are just struggling free. The Government are determined to take all steps necessary to ensure that such a tragedy does not occur. It is a matter of such overriding national importance that the Government feel entitled to call on the full co-operation of all concerned.

I am perhaps not surprised but somewhat disappointed that the Leader of the Labour Party should have seen fit to try to make political capital during this debate out of the tragedy of Ferenka. The circumstances surrounding the closure of that under-taking have already been fully debated in this House on the 6th and 7th of this month. During that debate the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy and the Minister for Labour gave full and detailed accounts of their actions in this matter. It must be clear to all Members that every action which could possibly be taken was taken by both Ministers to solve that dispute and to prevent the closure of the factory. Deputies are aware that the final decision to close the plant was taken outside this country.

Deputy Cluskey is very much mistaken if he thinks he can convince the people that the responsibility for that tragedy lies at the door of this Government. Whatever other arguments there may be as to where the responsibility lies, few people will accept the proposition that it lies on this Government.

There have been a number of Opposition speakers, including Deputy FitzGerald, who tried to put forward the proposition that this Government inherited a booming economy. In particular they claimed that the encouraging economic performance of 1977 was due to the policies pursued by the previous Government. It has been suggested that the prospective outturn at this stage is no better than that forcast by members of that Government during their term of office.

Deputy FitzGerald gave us the comparative figures for increases in farm incomes from 1972 to 1977 in a context which seemed to suggest that this was due to the Coalition Government. Of all people he should be the last to suggest that the EEC had no influence in this regard. I will not pursue that any further. The general theme he put forward was also put forward by Deputy Barry and Deputy Cluskey. Deputy Barry said that they could with confidence during the election predict that our economic growth for 1977 would be in the region of 5 or 6 per cent. Deputy Cluskey said it was predicted by totally impartial international economic observers that our growth would be approximately 5 per cent because of the decisions made in the January budget. He went on to say that this was still the predicted growth —5 to 6 per cent. He said the predicted rate of inflation would be approximately 13 per cent and Deputy Barry said 12 per cent.

As I indicated earlier, Deputy FitzGerald waxed eloquent about the tremendous job that had been done by the previous Government. He said they had, by the policies they had pursued, particularly in the late 1976 and the first half of 1977, obtained the confidence of investors, and therefore there had been an increase in investment, and that they had obtained the confidence of the social partners and particularly of the trade unions. I would like to put a simple question. If the Coalition had obtained the confidence of the trade unions, why did approximately five out of six trade unionists vote for Fianna Fáil in the last election? There is something wrong with that logic somewhere.

There is something wrong with the Minister's figures; it was not five out of six.

Perhaps Deputy FitzGerald would like us to believe that more trade unionists voted for the Coalition than for Fianna Fáil.

Just take the figures——

The Minister without interruption, please.

No, he would not like that. I do not want to embarrass him by bringing out the real underlying figures in the election and in the recent public opinion polls. He knows the majority of trade unionists voted for Fianna Fáil. If they did, how can he tell us in this House that the Coalition Government had the confidence of the trade unions? He knows there is no truth in that statement. The whole thing is merely a window dressing exercise to try to pretend that any good thing that has happened since Fianna Fáil came into office is due to the Coalition.

Let us have a more realistic approach. I have suggested that the Coalition are entitled to claim some credit because of what was done in the 1977 budget. We said that at the time but we said they did not go far enough. One thing is clear so far as the people are concerned. They had made up their minds. They had seen the various budgets of the Coalition. Whatever was done in 1977 they did not believe the Coalition were represented in their general stance by that budget because they knew what had been done consistently before that.

Talking of the achievements of the Coalition, whatever happened to that prophecy by Deputy FitzGerald during the election that by mid-1977 unemployment would be below 100,000?

I never said that.

The Deputy never said it?

By mid-1977?

Is the Deputy denying he said that? I know he said a lot of things in the heat of the election campaign, but he said that, too.

If the Minister quotes me correctly I will deal with him.

(Interruptions.)

The Minister without interruption, please.

He is inviting interruptions.

The Minister is entitled to make his speech in his own way.

I can understand Deputy Harte's and Deputy FitzGerald's concern. We restrained ourselves listening to Deputy FitzGerald making some silly statements. Perhaps the Deputies could try a little of the same kind of restraint.

On the topic of underspending on the Coalition's job creation programme in the 1977 budget, does Deputy FitzGerald remember the end of June this year? There was a job creation programme by the Coalition at that time, between the election and the change of Government. There is a Parliamentary Question down today giving some details of it. I wonder does he know that at the end of June, while he was in office and while he and his colleagues were engaged in the special job creation programme for their friends, that the Department of Finance carried out a review of the job creation package announced in the 1977 budget?

What did they find, as indeed I found, when I came into office approximately a week later? There was gross underspending on various headings of that programme. I was appalled when I discovered this. I tried to find out why this was happening. All sorts of reasons were given but eventually the truth is emerging. The package announced in the January, 1977, budget was to a considerable extent simply a question of picking out a scheme here and a scheme there to give an impression of a job creation packet. Many of the schemes had not been thought out. There was no possibility of implementing them. No machinery had been provided.

I am talking of a review which took place while Deputy FitzGerald was in office. I could talk about reviews which took place while we were in office but he would say we cooked the books. Perhaps he would care to explain to the public the underspending which had taken place almost six months later while he and his colleagues were in Government. When he has explained that, he can then start asking us questions about his alleged job creation programme. I would prefer to concentrate on our job creation programme which is working. As far as we are concerned the programme is going as planned. Of course the major impact cannot take place in five months. To listen to some of the Coalition Deputies one would think we had promised to implement our manifesto in full by the end of 1977. Of course there is no truth whatever in that allegation and the public know it and they do not think any more highly of the Opposition when they make such silly forecasts.

What about the 5,000 jobs that were to be provided?

The Deputy made his own speech. The Tánaiste should be allowed to speak without interruption.

I know the Deputy does not like to hear this but the facts must be told. We expect that approximately 5,500 of the building and construction and the public service jobs created by the Government will have been filled by the end of the year at an estimated expenditure of about £12 million. I know the Deputy does not like to hear that but that is the situation.

Are they all going to work as Santa Claus?

There is much more hope for the unemployed under this Government than in the illusory programme produced in the budget last January. Perhaps Deputy FitzGerald would explain some time why his Government were underspending?

Deputy Barry said he supposed we should be thankful that someone of financial realism behind the scenes was intervening to ensure that the promises in the manifesto were not being implemented and Deputy Cluskey said there is no way that the promises could be delivered. I want to make it quite clear that the manifesto proposals are, and will be, implemented fully. As I have indicated, a far-reaching programme of this kind will not be implemented fully in five months but there is ample evidence that this Government are pursuing with all possible speed the implementation of their manifesto and within the timetable laid down in it. Suggestions to the contrary bear no relation to the facts. No real attempt has been made to justify these suggestions; rather we have been subjected to sweeping and unfounded generalisations by the Opposition.

In talking about the abolition of rates Deputy Barry told us there was a blanket increase of 11 per cent to local authorities. I do not think he has understood the situation clearly. To make it quite clear, I want to put on record that the average increase in money that local authorities will receive in lieu of rates on private houses is 14 per cent. Some authorities will receive less but none will receive less than 11 per cent and areas encountering rapid growth will receive more because of the increased valuation base. It is important to put that correctly on record.

Deputy Barry said: "For instance, the £1,000 flat grant for new houses becomes £1,000 for first-time buyers". He tried to indicate that we were going back on our promises in the manifesto. What does the manifesto say? I shall quote from page 27——

What about page 6?

Our manifesto stated: "Fianna Fáil will give a grant of £1,000 to first-time purchasers of new houses". That is precisely what we did. We did not promise what Deputy Barry said we promised: we promised what is in the manifesto and we did it. In a reference to the £1,000 grant Deputy Cluskey used the words "illusory as it is in some cases". Does the Deputy realise that the former grants were subject to a means test of £2,350 per annum? The £1,000 grant is not subject to a means test and, therefore, many thousands of potential house buyers who were excluded under the Coalition scheme are now able to avail of the new grants given as promised in our manifesto.

How many have been paid?

Already 6,500 have been paid.

How many are on the books?

Deputy Harte should not interrupt.

They cannot be paid until the houses are finished.

Many Opposition speakers have claimed that the outturn for this year is exactly as they said would happen. When they were in office the previous Government consistently forecast a growth rate of 4 per cent on the basis of their actual policy. It is true that during the election campaign they produced higher figures but presumably those higher figures were based on what they then said they would do; in other words, new policies and expenditure to add to their existing policies. Up to that time their forecast was 4 per cent. Even though the international economic climate—a factor that will influence Irish growth forecasts quite substantially—has deteriorated since the middle of the year, growth in now expected to be about 5 per cent, a figure that is significantly in excess of the Coalition's expectations when in office.

With regard to inflation, I notice Deputy FitzGerald was trying to claim all the credit for what has happened. The significant position is that in the six months to mid-May of this year the Consumer Price Index rose by nearly 8 per cent but in the following six months it rose by less than 3 per cent. I would not claim, and I do not want to be taken as claiming, that all of that improvement is due to the fact that Fianna Fáil are in office. That is the kind of claim that would be made by the Coalition. However, I am saying that a significant factor has been the specific action by the Government and the climate of confidence that has been engendered since the election. These factors go a long way towards improving the rate of investment and helping to keep down price applications because there is confidence that it is no longer necessary to keep hiking up prices in order to keep up. There is confidence that there will be a degree of stability under this Government, a confidence that was totally non-existent when the previous Government were in office.

Many of the Opposition speakers have been telling us that they are responsible for all that has been happening in the second half of this year. It might be interesting to contrast that with the performance of the Coalition when they were six months in office. In 1973 the Coalition introduced a budget that began to bite in the second half of the year. The figures for 1973 taken as a whole are very good but the underlying economic indicators show that almost entirely they had a sharp downturn in the second half of 1973 with the result that the growth achieved in the first half of 1973 was the highest on record. Let us compare that situation when there was a downturn in the economy in the first six months when the Coalition were in office with the upturn in the economy in the first five or six months of Fianna Fáil's term of office and we get some idea of the way the trends are going. I am speaking of factors under the control of the two Governments— not international factors which, to a very limited extent, have affected either situation. So far as they have affected it, they have affected the second half of this year negatively rather than positively.

The overall message that has emerged from this debate is that things are shaping up well. They will get a lot better provided Fianna Fáil continue on the course outlined in the manifesto, the course they put before the people and for which they got a mandate. We have no reason to deviate from that course and I do not think the Coalition expect us to deviate from it. That is the basis for their concern, for their scramble to try to claim credit for anything good that has happened and to predict doom and gloom for the future. I am glad to say our people are not of that view. It is important that our people continue to have confidence in the Government and be willing to co-operate in the policies put before them.

I believe that this Adjournment debate has highlighted the shortcomings of the Opposition in this Dáil. They are clearly out of touch with the new mood of this country, they are living in the past, and, in their contributions to this debate, have been at pains to defend their performance while in Government. Indeed the speech made here yesterday by Deputy Cluskey, the Leader of the Labour Party, was a good case in point. It was, in many ways, a very sad speech. The thinking and philosophy behind Deputy Cluskey's contribution demonstrated the extent to which the Labour Party have submerged their aspirations and identity. There were, of course, some ritual genuflections to the traditional Labour view. But there was an underlying acceptance of the timid, conservative view of life which characterises Fine Gael. No amount of attempted image-building by Deputy FitzGerald will change it because, when he comes in here and gets down to brass tacks, we find he wants to restrict us, that he does not want the kind of growth we are going for. He is basically a Fine Gael man; I suppose he should regard that as a compliment since he is the Leader of that party, but it is not a compliment to Deputy Cluskey to find that he is going along with that view.

Deputy Cluskey accused us of cynicism, of recklessness, all of this because we dare to aim high. Granted, there is a saving clause here and there in what Deputy Cluskey said, in contending that our aim was unattainable because, he says, we are not adopting a quasi-socialist approach; he put that in a few times. However, what comes through clearly from Deputy Cluskey's speech is a sense of hopelessness, a feeling that it is an impertinent presumption for anyone to assume that we in this country can achieve prosperity and full employment. Let Deputy Cluskey read his speech again when he will find this note running through it, and he will regret that he made it.

What is the message from Deputy Cluskey to the youth of this country? I could understand it had Deputy Cluskey come in here and told us our targets were too low, that we should be aiming at more ambitious goals. But the burden of his speech was that the objectives set out in our manifesto are unrealistic and unattainable. He talked about planning and the need for a planned approach——

The Government's targets are not too low but their political will is totally lacking.

For four years Deputy Cluskey was a prominent and loyal member of a Government which rejected the whole idea of planning.

I interrupt the Minister to tell him he has five minutes left.

Ministers in that Government told us repeatedly that planning in our circumstances was impossible. How can anybody take the Labour Party's conversion to planning seriously?

I referred earlier to the new mood in this country. The Fianna Fáil manifesto expresses that mood. I believe that June, 1977, in future years. will be seen as a watershed in our political and economic affairs. The Fianna Fáil manifesto is the charter for progress. Its overwhelming endorsement at the general election represented a conscious decision by our people to embark on a new and ambitious course. Our people, and young people in particular, are no longer content to see us limping along in the second division. They have rejected the old fatalistic view that this small country must always have high unemployment, that emigration is an inevitable fact of life, or that we are doing well if we achieve slight improvements from year to year. Other small nations are able to employ their people at home. They can maintain healthy economies and decent living standards. Fianna Fáil believe that our people have the capacity to achieve these things and to build a worthy society here. That is the difference between us and the Opposition parties. The objectives in our manifesto certainly concern economics but, above all, they concern a matter of will. To achieve these objectives we, as a people, must stretch our efforts and I believe our people will rise to this challenge.

Opposition speakers have said they will keep reminding us of our manifesto commitments. We will welcome that. In the months ahead the Opposition will find that this will be a frustrating and unrewarding task from a political point of view. But they need not fret themselves; we will be our own hardest task masters in monitoring our progress.

I want to state categorically that we in this party and Government will not settle for limited objectives. The plan for national reconstruction, in our election manifesto, is the first stage of a comprehensive programme which aims at building an economy here that will absorb and fully employ our growing population. We regard this growth in population as a source of strength and a positive asset in furthering our economic and social well-being.

Hear, hear.

We want to build a society which will provide good living standards, a healthy and sane environment and conditions which will be more attractive to our young people than anything they would find abroad. Our programme aims at cutting unemployment dramatically in a relatively short period of time. But the real goal is full employment and an end once and for all to involuntary emigration. We do not have to be told that these objectives will not be easily attained but we are saying they can be attained and Fianna Fáil is in business to attain them.

Our first budget, which will be introduced on 1st February next, will aim at bringing about a transformation in the economic climate. It will aim at generating a level of growth and development greater than anything achieved to date. The theme of the budget—generous tax reliefs linked with moderate income increases—will set the pattern for a sustained assault on the twin evils of unemployment and inflation. We fought and won this year's election in the firm belief that, with the right leadership, our people —through a concerted and combined effort—can overcome the chronic ills which have plagued our country for so long. I cannot over-stress the importance of a united and concerted effort in this context. I do not think the people who sent us here will be particularly impressed by points scored in a debate. They want us to address ourselves to eliminating, once and for all the chronic shortcomings in our society.

There is a tide in the affairs of nations as there is in the affairs of men.

We now have an opportunity of achieving greater progress economically and socially than was ever achieved in this country in the past. An enlightened and self-disciplined approach to incomes is vital. Let us be quite clear about this: claims for income increases which would impair our competitiveness abroad could sabotage the rightful hopes of our young people to employment at home. In pushing through this programme—which will change the face of this country and brighten the prospects for our youth— I am appealing not so much for sacrifice from the various sectional interests but for enlightened self-control while achieving a real improvement in living standards next year.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 76; Níl, 55.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Kit.
  • Allen, Lorcan.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Andrews, Niall.
  • Aylward, Liam.
  • Barrett, Sylvester.
  • Brady, Gerard.
  • Brady, Vincent
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Browne, Seán.
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Callanan, John.
  • Calleary, Seán.
  • Cogan, Barry.
  • Colley, George.
  • Collins, Gerard.
  • Conaghan, Hugh.
  • Connolly, Gerard.
  • Cowen, Bernard.
  • Crinion, Brendan.
  • Cronin, Jerry.
  • Daly, Brendan.
  • Davern, Noel.
  • de Valera, Síle.
  • de Valera, Vivion.
  • Doherty, Seán.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Farrell, Joe.
  • Faulkner, Pádraig.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom (Dublin South-Central).
  • Fitzsimons, James N.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond.
  • Reynolds, Albert.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Flynn, Pádraig.
  • Fox, Christopher J.
  • French, Seán.
  • Gallagher, Dennis.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Gibbons, Jim.
  • Haughey, Charles J.
  • Hussey, Thomas.
  • Keegan, Seán.
  • Kenneally, William.
  • Killeen, Tim.
  • Killilea, Mark.
  • Lalor, Patrick J.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lemass, Eileen.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Leonard, Tom.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • Loughnane, William.
  • Lynch, Jack.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacSharry, Ray.
  • Meaney, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Moore, Seán.
  • Morley, P. J.
  • Murphy, Ciarán P.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • O'Connor, Timothy C.
  • O'Donoghue, Martin.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Walsh, Seán.
  • Wilson, John P.
  • Woods, Michael J.
  • Wyse, Pearse.

Níl

  • Barry, Peter.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Begley, Michael.
  • Belton, Luke.
  • Birmingham, Joseph.
  • Boland, John.
  • Bruton, John.
  • Burke, Joan.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Clinton, Mark.
  • Cluskey, Frank.
  • Collins, Edward.
  • Conlan, John F.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam.
  • Cosgrave, Michael J.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Kieran.
  • D'Arcy, Michael J.
  • Deasy, Martin A.
  • Desmond, Barry.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Donegan, Patrick S.
  • Donnellan, John F.
  • Enright, Thomas W.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom (Cavan-Monaghan).
  • Gilhawley, Eugene.
  • Griffin, Brendan.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Horgan, John.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Kelly, John.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • Kerrigan, Pat.
  • Lipper, Mick.
  • McMahon, Larry.
  • Mannion, John M.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Murphy, Michael P.
  • O'Brien, Fergus.
  • O'Brien, William.
  • O'Connell, John.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • O'Toole, Paddy.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Quinn, Ruairí.
  • Ryan, John J.
  • Spring, Dan.
  • Taylor, Frank.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Treacy, Séan.
  • Tully, James.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies P. Lalor and Briscoe; Níl, Deputies Creed and B. Desmond.
Question declared carried.
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