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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 14 Mar 1978

Vol. 304 No. 9

Private Members' Business: Employment Plan: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann deplores the failure of the Government to achieve the promised reduction in the number of jobless, especially among young people, or to produce any plan in this regard.

If the only matter before the House tonight were the latter part of the Government amendment I would be seeking the leave of the House to move that amendment for them because I have confidence in the ability of the Government to produce a plan for reducing the number of jobless. I am sure they have that ability and I am sure they will produce a plan, but that plan I expect to see—and the House can, perhaps, make what is nowadays called a benchmark in regard to my guess—around the month of May 1981. That is more or less when I expect to see their plan, shortly before the next general election, and I have no doubt whatsoever as to their ability and their firm intention to produce such a plan around that date.

If that was all there was at issue between the parties this evening, I would be over there shoulder to shoulder with the Minister for Labour. I am certain that that plan will emerge and that it will be introduced to the public with as much professional advertising expertise as we saw deployed last May and June but we will be waiting another four years for it. That is why I take leave to reject the sense of their amendment and proceed with proposing this motion.

No one in this House—so far as the House can be said to be in session with this very small attendance on what was supposed to be a crucial issue for the nation and its future—will be amazed or in a mood of contradiction if I remind the House that the main plank of the Government's election platform was the reduction of unemployment. At the time we entered the Common Market in 1973, and when the terms of our entry were presented to the people—essentially not materially but procedurally in referendum form in 1972—we had the highest unemployment rate of the nine countries involved by a mile. In other words, if I can attempt to shoot down these myths as they arise, the idea that relatively high unemployment is something which has only recently emerged is false. We had very high unemployment by comparison with most of the EEC countries before we joined. Within a year of our entry we were hit by the oil crisis and by an international recession which followed on that crisis and these figures rose and now are not far short of 10 per cent. These figures are naturally of concern to everybody.

The Minister's party were nationally and tactically right in concentrating on these figures in planning their election strategy. Where they were wrong and deceitful and where the people will have no reason to thank them, and where I hope for political reasons— though I intend nothing personal in saying so—the vengeance of the people will catch up on them, was in promising that somewhere in their bosoms there resided the formula for curing this disease which had shown very strong symptoms before the country joined the EEC.

That was the main plank to which the Government pinned their hopes. The people elected them. I have never whinged about it. I did not whinge about it when I was put out of office, although I had only enjoyed my office for a matter of six weeks. I put that behind me, I can tell the House in honesty, within a quarter of an hour, if not less. If you are in politics you must be as willing to be out as to be in, otherwise it is not the right game for you. When I observe that these were the objectives to which the Minister's party committed themselves I feel entitled, without being asked to submit to jibes about sour grapes, to, as they say in the public sector, monitor the progress of the Government towards achieving these objectives— God knows what we were all doing in the days before somebody dug up the word "monitor". When I was a child "monitor" was an old fashioned battleship—and we are entitled to relate the progress, or lack of it, to the specific weapons which the Government advertised in 1977 as being the means by which they proposed to deal with unemployment.

Let me remind the House: I was here at Question Time today and so was the Ceann Comhairle, but that is water under the bridge, and so were many other Deputies. The Taoiseach sat here for the entire hour, a most unusual performance for him. He is the most important man in the country and his time is valuable. When I was Parliamentary Secretary to his predecessor I spent a lot of my time trying to save my boss's time. The Taoiseach thought fit to sit here for a full hour today, even after his own questions had concluded, to monitor the progress of his Government and their underlings—the junior Ministers —in dealing with a few harmless questions put down by my colleagues and myself. One of these questions to which I found it impossible to get an answer was how many people are out of work at the moment. I asked that question both in relation to the current live register figures and the figures of last May and June which were not accepted by Fianna Fáil. The figures last May were 109,000 falling in June to 108,000-odd. Those figures were bunkum. They did not exist. What 108,000 or 109,000 was a question that people were being asked. They were told it was 160,000. Now the story is different because we were beaten and they won. Now the question is, what 160,000?

As spokesman for Industry, Commerce and Energy I am finding it impossible to get anyone on the far side to say in plain English or Irish, if they are able for it, that there were 160,000 unemployed here at a time when the live register said 108,000 and to draw the childish inference from that that if there is that differential of 52,000 we are now entitled to add the same differential to the current live register figures and produce a total of 164,000. I put this question as well as I could, through the barrage which was being put up against me from various parts of the House, to the Minister who was answering the questions and the Taoiseach condescended to interject that I was not comparing like with like. Even the Taoiseach did not think it beneath him to intervene on this point and to remind the House that this was only the spring and that June, the time I was first speaking about, had been high summer. He did not scorn to stay here, when he might have been doing something more important or resting himself, which is also important for a Taoiseach, in order to judge the issue I was trying to raise in a clear form. That was not beneath him.

Is it normal practice to criticise the Taoiseach's attendance in the House when he is about his parliamentary business?

I am delighted the Taoiseach attended. I am calling attention merely to the fact that he saw fit to stay here while these questions were being taken and thought fit to interrupt when he was not the man to answer— his Minister of State was answering— to say that the way I was putting the question was misleading. I want to know from him or the Minister how many people are out of work this minute and how many were out of work last June. I want both answers related to the 160,000 that Messers. O'Kennedy, Brindley plastered all over the papers along with depressing photographs of employment exchanges and invited the people to vote us out of office.

The Deputy should not refer to commercial firms.

I withdraw that reference. I am sorry I mentioned their name. I cannot get that reply out of the Government. Believe me I do not worry about them. I do not lose any sleep on account of their crookedness, on account of their unwillingness to give a straight answer, or on account of their constitutional inability to give a straight answer to a straight question because I know there are people watching what goes on here between the Government and Opposition and who are able to draw their own conclusions. Although I may, and do, get excited and perhaps over-react in certain situations where a more experienced Deputy would let the thing flow over him, I am not really worried about that degree of crookedness. I know others can judge for themselves and that their memories are not so short.

I cannot get a straight answer in regard to unemployment or employment figures but I can construct one for myself. Where we find there are 4,000 more people on the live register now—In other words 4,000 more people drawing unemployment benefit or assistance than there were when the election took place which put us out of office—I am entitled to conclude that the gross figure of 160,000 has risen by 4,000 and that the figure is now 164,000. I cannot get anyone on the Government side to admit that. I do not find it too worrying because others are able to draw their own conclusions and have been visibly drawing them.

At least the government party were not at such a stage of desperation that they assumed the people would not want any kind of indication at all about how they proposed to deal with the unemployment problem. They included in their manifesto all the structures—to use another public service word which has become popular —which they would adopt and invent in order to overcome this problem. One of these was an intensified Buy and Sell Irish campaign. I know I have been abrasive up to this and I intend to be at least as abrasive for the rest of the time, but I will call a two-minute truce in order to say with sincerity that this party absoutely accept and support, as they always did, the principle of the Buy and Sell Irish campaign. The guaranteed Irish symbol, which is the heart and soul of the present campaign, emerged under the aegis of the former Minister for Industry and Commerce when the present Minister was in opposition. I make no special point about that because we are all on the same side in that regard and I wish this campaign the best of luck.

I observe every other day scripts from both senior and junior Ministers in which there are references to this campaign and to switching 3 per cent of purchasing power from imports to home produced material, creating in this way 10,000 jobs. I am afraid we are on the verge of seeing a legend created according to which, without anything happening in regard to the switching of purchasing power, 10,000 jobs have been created by this campaign.

The Deputy created a few legends himself.

This campaign has been well conducted and I want to give the maximum credit to the people responsible. I have never said and never will say anything to denigrate it. To presume that an appeal to buy or sell Irish will produce 10,000 jobs out of a hat in any number of years is a very large presumption.

If this had been advanced anywhere except in an election manifesto I would not be speaking about it now, but it was part of an election manifesto which was held up to the people as being the source of 10,000 jobs. I feel entitled to draw attention to this figure and to say that we will be watching for it. We will be watching to see how much of the extra spending power released by the remission of car tax and so on has been devoted to Irish goods. We will be watching not in order to damn the Buy Irish campaign but in order to damn the dishonesty of the party which persuaded the people that by means like this they would produce jobs out of a hat.

The Employment Action Team was another weapon which they intended to use. I found today to my pleasure that I was able, even in a disorderly interjection, to use that Employment Action Team as a measure of ridicule. Although this Government have been in office for almost nine months—I am tempted to say almost for a full period of gestation—that Employment Action Team have yet to produce one single extra job, not a projected job or a job for which provision is made but a person actually at work and drawing wages. As far as I am aware not one such job has been created. I made that point a couple of weeks ago and within a few days the Minister was in with some programme, to which I wish the best of luck, although I would sooner have a productive programme rather than a bogus job programme.

I want to draw attention to the linguistic dress of this team, the impression of "zap", that the Fianna Fáil Party are in there and will get things moving while the other crowd were able to do nothing but sit on their bottoms. That was the impression they set out to create, down to the teeshirts and the hats and the music on the buses. I deliberately use the word "zap" which I see in my children's comics, the sound made by a space gun.

The Deputy is reading comics too often.

That was to be the mood and the tone and the effect of this Government when they came into office. It would be "zap" with unemployment and inflation. They would be gone just like that, just like shooting a space gun at an intruder from a hostile planet.

Pitch and toss merchant.

The "zap" programme in regard to the Employment Action Team has not produced one job, except for the permanent secretary of the team.

They really are scraping the barrel when they send in Deputy Killilea.

He is well able for Deputy Kelly.

We will never miss Senator Joe Dowling while his country and western cousin is in here playing the flipside.

Order, please.

It reflects poorly on the Minister that he brings in this Deputy in order to try——

I would ask Deputy Kelly to withdraw that remark. I did not invite or bring anybody into the House.

It would do the Minister honour if he——

I have not been playing pitch and toss like Deputy Kelly for the past six months. He is like his leader—come hither, come thither.

Order, please. The Deputy has only 40 minutes and 20 have already passed.

I now go on to the second weapon, and I do not mean any disrespect to the late Taoiseach involved. You served under him, Sir, and knew his qualities. I never had the privilege of his acquaintance.

They have described this weapon as a Seán Lemass-type industrial development consortium. That was the second leg of the machine which was to get employment going. I have a question down on this matter which, because of the way questions now run, will not be reached for some weeks. I want to assert, and the Minister may contradict me if he wishes, that the Seán Lemass-type industrial development consortium has sunk without trace. It may be that the Minister responsible has actually got a piece of paper which says that a meeting was held and, no doubt, a lunch dispensed and drinks handed out and that there is a nominal or national committee bearing the name of the industrial development consortium. It is a fraud from start to finish. It is not a consortium in any understanding of the English language so far heard of, any more than the ground rents abolition is an abolition. A consortium is a business concern, a combination of business interests which risk money, give employment, produce, sell, do business. This consortium is not that. If the measure contained in the ground rents Bill is an abolition of ground rents, then certainly this is a consortium; it is a Woolworths; it does a lot of business. If the ground rents Bill is a sham and a fraud, so too is this consortium. What has been seen of this industrial development consortium of the Seán Lemass type? Absolutely nothing. The people were sold it over the memory of a respected man, over the memory of a respected Taoiseach. Everybody in this party respected him even if they disagreed with him. The memory of that Taoiseach was dragged from its rest in order to get votes for that party, in order to attach his name to a tuppenny ha'penny institution that, if it has come into being, is only a ghost and a spook. Where are the jobs this industrial development consortium was supposed to produce? Where is the co-ordination it was supposed to organise? Nowhere. It is a zero in the record of this Government and I am not going to forget about it as long as I have strength left. The Minister will hear a great deal more about that consortium and the action team.

I do not begrudge the Deputy for mid-Cork, Deputy Fitzgerald, now Minister for Labour, his job. I am glad to see jobs changing around and men getting a chance. Personally I wish him the best but I begrudge the deceit and the trendy boot ráiméis and seafóid that put his party in Government. It is not because they put me out; I could not tell the Minister or the Chair how little that means to me. However, I begrudge the wastage of trust and confidence in the ordinary people which that victory represents, a wastage that is being confirmed and made more plain every day that passes.

Money was put into recruitment of extra people into the public service, and put in in large amounts. If the Minister expects that I am going to dispute that with him he is going to be disappointed. I do not dispute that with him. There is no problem about creating public service jobs. Any Government that can beg, borrow or steal a few million pounds can create public service jobs, but this is the first time in the history of this nation that a Government sought credit for creating public service jobs. Previously it was something for which one had to apologise. The Chair held office in this State long before many of us were heard of and knows it was something to apologise for if jobs were being spread around too fast or if too many people were taken on to the public payroll. Suddenly all that is changed. Zap, and we are all on the public payroll, we get so many millions of pounds from the Japs and the Germans and we can take thousands of people into the public service. I believe the Government are doing it. I do not dispute it for one instant. What I dispute is whether they are right to do it and whether it is the right way to solve our endemic unemployment problem.

In this connection I want to quote the Minister of State at the Department of Industry, Commerce and Energy, Deputy R. Burke who left this Chamber five minutes ago. He spoke on 10 March in Waterford and said:

As you are all aware, the Government is committed to creating new jobs at a greatly increased pace. This is our first priority. However, creating jobs is not enough to stimulate and to maintain economic growth. These jobs must be productive.

How often have I and other people on this side of the House said that? That is what was said by Deputy Burke, Minister of State at the Department of Industry, Commerce and Energy.

How productive are public service jobs, paid for by the thousand, ordered off the hook from the hanger, jobs that are paid for by the sweat of the Dutch, the Germans and the Japs? Where will they get us and how will we pay for them? These are the questions which should be answered. I accept that the Minister is creating public service jobs but I want to know who will pay for them and what wealth they will produce. Will the Minister's children and mine and their children benefit as a result of the sweat of people in those jobs?

Another point that was heavily laboured during the budget debate and thereafter was investment in building. In volume 303, column 362 of the Official Report of 1 February there is the budget statement of the Minister for Finance in regard to job creation and building. That speech envisaged that by the end of 1977 no fewer than 3,170 jobs would have been created directly and indirectly in the building and construction industry. We know that Christmas is not a great time for the building industry, that unemployment tends to increase in bad weather. Therefore, I will not be thought to be exaggerating if I say that there is not a great difference between employment figures in mid-November and Christmas.

I got figures from my friend, the Minister of State in the Department of the Taoiseach, in regard to the construction industry in November, the last date for which figures are available. They show that in November 1977 some 23,631 people were unemployed in the building industry. In November 1976, back in the dark ages of the Coalition, that Black Knight of ignorance and selfishness of the National Coalition as it has been represented, how many were unemployed in the building industry? The figure is 24,272. What is the difference? It is 641 jobs. In 1976, as even the Minister for Economic Planning and Development is willing to admit, we were just coming out of recession. The signs were visible from the beginning of the year that we were emerging from that recession. Nobody will expect me to apologise too heavily for a figure like that, that even then had improved considerably from the peak in February and March 1976. In November 1977 after four months of inestimable benefits conferred by the Minister and his colleagues, the improvement in the building industry, something they have in their hip pocket politically and every other way, was 641 jobs. Where are the 3,000 jobs the Minister for Finance spoke about? I cannot find them. The Deputies opposite have the same right as I have to put down a Private Member's motion. If they are unhappy with what I am saying and if they do not get an opportunity to put the record straight at Question Time or some other time, let them put down a motion to damn us and blacken us for producing bogus statistics and false figures.

I cannot find the 3,000 jobs mentioned by the Minister. I can find improvement but even if the worst possible Government were in office that would probably have taken place with our emergence from recession. There was an improvement to the extent of about 640 jobs but I cannot find 3,170 jobs. I accept it is the case that there are more at work now than there were last November but even the building programme is subject to the hazards of the budgetary policy of the Government.

I want to quote a report in today's Irish Times. It is a report from Dublin stockbrokers, Goodbody and Wilkinson. I do not know if there is a Mr. Goodbody or a Mr. Wilkinson. If there is, I want to make clear that I never saw either of them at a Fine Gael meeting and I am not aware that either of them has any connection with my party or with the Opposition generally. It may be, as is so often the case with firms like that, that the people who own the firm have got quite different names. All I want to say to the House is that I know absolutely nothing about Goodbody and Wilkinson. I am as innocent of their affiliations, whatever they are, if any, as a new born babe. This is what they say about the effect of the budget on the construction industry which I know will be a central part of the Minister's speech:

Looking towards the end of this year and into 1979 the review feels that the government's "rush for growth" may eventually lead to balance of payments difficulties and "we may have in 1979 to apply the classic deflationary remedies." They see the possibility of taxes being increased in the next budget, accompanied by a possible trimming of next year's public capital programme.

This possible cutback in the public capital programme will, they say, have particularly detrimental effects in the construction industry, which, in the words of one construction industry economist consulted by Goodbody's "would kibosh the industry".

Before we start getting too grand about a drop in the weekly or monthly figures, let us bear in mind the impact on those figures of the entire three, four or five year budgetary strategy outlined by the Minister for Economic Planning and Development only a few days ago.

I have only a few minutes left. I had intended to point—and I will in a couple of sentences—to areas in which the Government have made a bad job of the employment problem, which would be a problem for any Government. I want to make it clear that I do not blame the Minister opposite, or any single one of his colleagues, or the whole lot of them put together, for unemployment although they were quick enough to blame us for it in the past. It is not their fault. We inherited a social economic structure here which Fianna Fáil did not create. I know if it were a good one, or one which people regarded as admirable, they would claim credit for it, but they did not create it. It was there before they or we arrived, and it may be there after us. I do not say that by any particular act they aggravated the problem. I know they have created public service jobs, although I assess that at zero from the point of view of long term national prosperity and wellbeing.

What I do say is that they have let jobs slip in vital areas and that by other behaviour they have made things more difficult for themselves and for us ultimately. In this connection I want to rely on a press release of the Confederation of Irish Industries issued on 9 March. The Director General, again, funnily enough, is not a member of my party, so far as I know. Maybe he is affiliated to Deputy O'Donnell's branch or to Deputy Mitchell's branch, but I have no knowledge that he has any connection with the Fine Gael Party or with the Opposition. So far as I know he is absolutely independent.

I do not think his political affiliations arise.

They are all too important, as we well know.

They may be important but they should not be canvassed in the House.

All I am trying to say is that I know this gentleman personally but I know nothing of his political views and have never discussed them with him. He seems to me to be dedicated to one cause and one cause only, namely, the cause of the confederation which employs him, namely, that of Irish industry. He lists five what he calls clouds on the industrial horizon. Of these five, three are in no way to be laid at the door of the Government and could not possibly be no matter what Government are in office. One is the slow rate of growth in international trade. One is the strengthening of sterling. One is the very savage increase in competition from mobile international industries. These matters are ones on which no Government here have any influence whatsoever.

There are two matters they mentioned in which that is not the case. One is labour cost increases and the other is trade distortions. I say positively in the few minutes left to me that, although the Government have not produced the labour cost increases, they have done nothing to keep them within bounds except talk about them. We cannot open the papers without seeing pleas for wage restraint. What kind of example do the unions get in the national wage agreement negotiations in regard to wage restraint? All they see—and I admit this is an over-simplified view perhaps—is that the Government are abolishing the wealth tax. All they hear is that the Leader of my party is damned by the Minister for Economic Planning and Development "Prof." O'Donoghue for saying that to abolish the wealth tax will not be helpful in the context of achieving a reasonable national wage settlement.

Why should he not say it? Would he be doing his job if he did not? If he believes it, ought he to keep it to himself? I believe it, and it was the first thought which came into my mind when I heard the budget statement read out. Are we to sit still and let Fianna Fáil do their worst? Merely to call attention to this incredible piece of foolishness, the abolition of the wealth tax, is not the same as egging on the unions not to settle for a reasonable figure. The Leader of my party criticised the abolition of the wealth tax, rightly in my view, and urged the acceptance by the unions of a reasonable figure.

Essentially what he is doing, and what I expect he will be doing many times over the next four years, is trying to do the Government's job for them. He is saying to the unions: "I know this is gross provocation but bear with it, live with it for the sake of the national interest." For that he is criticised and lectured by "Prof." O'Donoghue who gave a demonstration here last week of what he understands by academic impartiality and objectivity. We know now what he thinks about it, and what he thinks about academic standards in regard to the release and dissemination of information. He lectured the Leader of my party on his utterances on the wealth tax.

The Deputy put down a motion and he certainly has not been talking to it for the past two or three minutes.

I have been waiting for him to come to the point for 40 minutes.

I have only a few seconds left. Let me tell you quickly what it is about. The CII have put out a Press release listing five clouds on the industrial employment horizon. One of these is labour cost increases.

I am saying the increase in the labour costs we will have this year are directly contributed to by the Government's action in promising to abolish the wealth tax. I have said enough about that. Another one is the effect of trade distortions and the trade distortion they are talking about is the British temporary employment subsidy. I believe—and I hope a question of mine will be able to elicit it when the Dáil reassembles—that the Government have done nothing like enough to cancel out the effects of that subsidy which have been disastrous for Irish industry and have cost, on the CII's computation, between 3,000 and 4,000 Irish jobs.

I know the way the Government will get off the hook. They will get off it by allowing the people to go elsewhere for work. I have in my hand the last issue of The Irish Post which is the journal of the Irish community in Britain. That journal has seen fit to put on its front page the fact that emigration has now resumed and is really back. It is safe to assume that this marks the re-emergence of old style emigration. That article is based on figures issued from the Central Statistics Office. They are available to everybody. I must admit that a colleague of the Minister who is here in the House admitted that the figure issued by the CSO tended in that direction.

The fact that The Irish Post, which circulates among the Irish community in Britain, sees fit to make this a lead story shows there is something in it. These people are in touch with their own community. The know when there are more people at Mass on a Sunday. They know when the Irish community has new arrivals. They know when families have brothers and sisters and cousins coming over. This is a fact and I will not allow, nor will Deputy O'Donnell or Deputy Mitchell, the Government to solve our employment problem by this route. It is estimated —we cannot know for certain—that approximately 40,000 more people went out of the country in 1977 and tens of thousands of them in the last half of it compared with previous years.

While I do not blame the Government for the existence of unemployment, and I have said that often enough, I object very much to their leading the people to suppose they have a remedy, or that the pitiful weapons I described earlier, represent a remedy. They are letting real jobs slip away, real productive jobs, by not combatting the British temporary employment subsidy and by not doing more in their general overall budgetary strategy to induce a reasonable wage agreement so as to reduce unit costs and above all—and this is the note I want to end on—by neglecting in their strategy the thing which has the most potential for employment here, namely, the land, and in more recent years the sea. These things are being neglected. In those things we have resources which no other EEC country has and by neglecting those resources we are letting jobs by the tens of thousands get away from us. It is because of that failure, and not because of any tupenny ha'penny failure to take more people into this Department or that Department—I am certain the Government, if they had the money, could employ more public servants—it is because of the failure to realise where we are really losing jobs and where jobs can be made in enormous numbers that I indict the Government and urge the House to accept this motion.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Dáil Éireann" and to substitute the following:

"has confidence in the ability of the Government to achieve the promised reduction in the number of jobless, especially among young people, and to produce a plan in this regard."

I could probably have forgiven Deputy Kelly were he a new Deputy but a Member who was associated with the last Government could not feel but ashamed and embarrassed at such a speech, a contribution as lacking in constructiveness as it was in any worth-while relevance to the motion on the Order Paper. How a member of the last Government could not feel ashamed and embarrassed to speak on such a topic as Deputy Kelly did considering the neglect of employment and job creation perpetrated by his Government is beyond me. I would prefer to be more constructive in this regard and point out to the House what has been achieved in the eight months of Fianna Fáil Government. I should like to refer to the manifesto commitment of last July, a commitment to provide 20,000 new jobs in our first year in office. I shall prove later that not alone will the target be achieved but it will be exceeded.

At no stage did we ever say that that would solve entirely our unemployment problem. We did say that we would strive in that direction with job creation in the ensuring years. We have been handed a situation where the unemployment figures were allowed run uncontrolled and youth employment was the furthest thought from the minds of the previous Government. This Government's radical approach to job creation took place immediately we took office. The new initiatives embrace the public sector, building construction and youth employment. I should like to refer to what was said in a speech in July last year about the public sector and about attaching no importance to job creation in that sector. Many aspects of the public sector were allowed run down under the previous Government. There was need for all the jobs we have created in the public sector and I shall list them later. For example, in the National Manpower Service of my Department, a Department engaged in placing people in employment, the numbers were inadequate.

Between 5 July and 31 December in the public sector almost 4,700 posts were created and of these more than 2,000 were in the civil service. A further 139 were industrial civil servants; 900 were teachers; 890 in the health services; 500 gardaí; 36 in the Defence Forces and 182 in other areas of the public service. All those posts were needed to give our people the services to which they are entitled. At the end of December 2,010 of those jobs had been filled. Following on that we had the budget proposals where again 18,000 new jobs were provided directly as a result of moneys allocated in that budget. That figure was in addition to the 2,000 already created and the 3,100 provided for in the building construction industry. That is only part of the story but those jobs were needed to maintain our services at a strength our people deserve.

The Employment Action Team was referred to in a very derogatory way by a Member from whom I expected greater appreciation of the problem but he was a member of a Government who ignored the problem of youth employment. When in Opposition we told the Government that because of the seriousness of unemployment, particularly youth unemployment, the problem would have to be tackled in a twofold way with the major emphasis on industrial growth and production. The Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy will speak tomorrow night on this motion and concentrate on the importance of industrial growth and job creation. We must all admit that this is the prime area and that this must be the area of concentration. Other areas cannot be neglected, even those of temporary job creation to give our young people some work experience and satisfaction from life or some involvement in work in the community. If we do not do so frustration will inevitably result and that will be damaging not alone economically but socially also.

The Employment Action Team was drawn from all sides of industry, from youth organisations and Government Departments. The team submitted concrete and substantial proposals to provide jobs for young people. I was amazed and disappointed to hear a Member who had experience in Government decrying the efforts of that team. The first set of proposals of the team relate to the environmental works programme. The money has already been allocated by the Department of Labour to the Department of the Environment and from that Department to all local authorities. That programme is designed to provide 1,000 man-year-jobs, 750 in relation to young people and the remainder in relation to adults in a supervisory and other capacity. Under that scheme amenities will be provided throughout the country. The young people will be helping to beautify our countryside as well as providing facilities in their own areas.

The work experience programme is another matter I should like to refer to. Such a programme has been in operation in other member states of the EEC for some time but the previous Government, because of the lack of commitment to employment, ignored it. That programme can help to give people experience which would make it easier for them to gain fulltime employment. The Department of Education and my Department are engaged in preparing that programme and it is hoped that it will be put into operation at an early date. In addition, staff are being recruited to put that scheme into operation. The apprenticeship scheme operated by local authorities is another matter I should like to refer to. I was appalled at the lack of commitment by the last Government to this matter. They allowed apprenticeship recruitment to be run down in our public service. The team recommended that local authorities be interviewed and investigated with a view to taking on a number of building and construction apprentices and money was allocated for the recruitment of 150 to 160 apprentices in local authorities throughout the country. In addition, AnCO are making arrangements to recruit an additional 200 apprentices over and above their normal intake into the State bodies, two areas that were open for apprenticeship recruitment and in skills that are and will be needed.

The Ballyfermot survey I am glad to say is making progress. It is a pilot scheme and will be under way in early April. It will provide only a small number of jobs and for a limited period but it will provide young people with very useful experience and, even more important, it will provide official information on the problems in the area with a view to solving them, especially in the employment field. I cannot over-emphasise the advantage of having this information as well as the value of the training and experience for the people concerned. Another very important aspect is that we have a very useful group in the Ballyfermot Employment Action Group, benefiting by Government assistance up to approximately £10,000 which is very desirable and significant. Deputy Mitchell should be pleased with this news particularly in view of the inaction——

I should be better pleased with jobs.

But this is a way towards them. If the Deputy has anything to say against it, I would record him as having so said.

I welcome anything to benefit my constituents but I would want jobs.

This is something that could have been done long ago. It can also be the forerunner of surveys in other areas, rural or urban, as the need arises. I referred earlier to the community fitness programme. The scheme has been submitted to the Minister for Health for consideration under the larger scheme that he has in mind for community fitness generally. As the House is aware, in Opposition we pointed out on many occasions the necessity to broaden the employment incentive scheme which was confined to manufacturing and agricultural industry. We sought without success to have it extended. As Minister, I had the pleasure on behalf of this Government of extending that scheme in late September last year to cover the building sector, the services sector and the hotel and catering industry. I think that the figures for the extension of the scheme together with the return of confidence in the economy generally will indicate the change that has taken place regarding this scheme. In the two months from January to end of February 1978, employees covered under applications for the scheme numbered just over 2,400. The interesting point is that in the 12 months of the scheme's existence up to the end of this February the total was only 6,400. In the two months to the end of February we had applications in respect of 2,400 against the total from 1 March 1977 to the end of February 1978 of 6,400. That is progress and indications are that it will continue. The payments for those two months amounted to £504,342 against £1,300,492 for the entire 12 months, showing a very substantial increase. This is an indication of the success and correctness of the decision to extend the scheme and also of a return of confidence. The amount of money saved on the scheme last year was disappointing for many reasons. It showed in a very positive way the previous Government's lack of commitment.

I referred briefly to the National Manpower Service. I was pleased to visit the offices of the Dublin centre at O'Connell Bridge House about six weeks ago and to hear the reports and observe the enthusiasm of the staff. They also believe that the extension of the scheme particularly for the Dublin area, will have many advantages. The service is understaffed and recruitment of placement officers is at present going on, another indication of how important are some of these jobs in the public sector and of how important it is that this service should be at top strength so as to get as many as possible back to work.

The funds being made available for training within AnCO this year amount to almost £12 million as compared with £9.5 million in 1977, an increase of over 25 per cent. This increased grant will mean an increased grant from the European Social Fund also. As a result, the number of training opportunities with AnCO will be substantially increased and it is expected that over 15,000 people will be trained in 1978 compared with 12,800 in 1977. Earlier, I spoke of the importance of work experience as regards young people getting employment. There is no doubt that those who go through AnCO, whether young or adult trainees, find it far easier because of the skills they are taught and the training given, to obtain employment than those without such advantages.

To refer to a further Government commitment in regard to employment, as no doubt the House is aware, under a three-year scheme introduced last year manufacturing companies could qualify for a special 25 per cent rate of corporation tax if they expanded activity to the extent of increasing employment by 3 per cent and sales volume by 5 per cent over the 1976 level. To qualify for this special rate of corporation tax in 1978 and 1979 manufacturers will now only have to increase their employment level by 3 per cent in each year. In other words, the emphasis is on increasing employment, more jobs and getting people back to work.

I could not believe my ears when I heard Deputy Kelly talking about wage subsidies when he spoke about the damage done to Irish industry by the British temporary employment subsidy. Did he have his head buried in the sand for four years when he, as a member of the then Government, ignored pleas from our side of the House and of many industries suffering because of the effect of that temporary employment subsidy? Yet, this evening he said that this Government's commitment in that direction was inadequate. The sectors of industry about which we were concerned are very pleased with the budget proposals intended to benefit industry for the purpose of protecting jobs in the clothing, footwear and some areas of the textile industries. The people concerned are very pleased with that, but I find it hard to understand Deputy Kelly's inconsistency in saying it is inadequate, because his Government had ignored it entirely.

I should like to refer to another encouraging point. The February issue of Economic Trends for January, published by CII/ESRI, gives data from their recent survey. I do not go into raptures about the independence of this survey like the Deputy opposite. I will read one paragraph from it:

The rates of growth, of production, home sales and exports have improved, and the most important feature this month is the substantial increase reported in the assessment of employment. The percentage of respondents stating that employment was higher over those that said it was lower is the highest recorded since the Monthly Survey commenced in March, 1974. At + 16, if this balance is maintained it indicates that employment in the manufacturing industry will increase by about 10,000 during this year.

That is significant. It is the result of actions by a Government that has restored confidence. That is why I set out this evening to be positive and not to be over-critical of somebody who obviously was going to pains to explain that he was not peeved at having been beaten last year. It was very hard to understand what he stood to gain by speaking with such little constructive comment on a motion that has been on the Order Paper for some months.

The live register was referred to and I will give the figures for the latest date I have got. They show that 112,017 persons were unemployed, a decrease of 144 on the previous week and of 5,110 on the figures for the corresponding week last year. It has been moving in the right direction for many weeks. We must realise, however, that the live register has a number of drawbacks as a measurement of the unemployment figures. Its major defect is its failure to cover the young unemployed. Deputy Kelly referred to various figures but not to the one I have just given.

In a rather dramatic conclusion, the Deputy referred to emigration. I have not got those figures available to me now but I will arrange to have them provided during the course of the debate, and Deputy Kelly's face will blush with embarrassment when they are produced to him. I will arrange that one of the speakers to follow will have those figures.

One of the Government's main concerns from the beginning has been to get people back to work and particularly to provide employment for the growing number of young people coming on the employment market. Confidence has already been restored in the economy. I will skim over the building construction industry. It was referred to by Deputy Kelly who said he thought it would be the main plank of my speech. I will say that at the moment in some areas there is a serious shortage of skilled people, indicating that there has been a return to work of those engaged in those skills and that the prospects for that industry are bright.

The Government have a duty to work on behalf of all sections of the community, to create opportunities for them and the climate in which industry can develop and produce and maintain jobs. The commitments of our manifesto to reduce unemployment and inflation, to provide tax concessions, have been met. The Government have fulfilled their part of their bargain to date, and co-operation from both sides in industry can keep us on the road to full economic recovery. There is a new climate of confidence in the economy. Money is available for investment to create jobs. All this is a great tribute to the spirit of the Irish people after four disastrous years of Coalition Government.

Before developing my contribution I should like to put on record my amazement at the continued reference by the Minister to the statements of Deputy Kelly, with particular reference to the record of the previous Government in regard to employment, particularly of young people. It is the Minister who should be blushing. In 1975 and 1976 he and others in his Party blamed the Coalition for the serious unemployment situation, but in the latter end of 1977 when it became apparent that it was a world problem, they switched to the defence and referred to unemployment as a world evil. Tonight the Minister has returned to the 1975 saga—the Coalition were responsible for unemployment in, as he called them, those terrible years. They were terrible years for this and every country in the civilised world because the worst inflation in living memory hit the industrial countries to the extent that put 6 million to 8 million people out of employment in the nine EEC countries, that put America back to the 1930s when President Roosevelt had people out digging holes and filling trenches, and it put us back to thinking once again of the terrible evil of the emigrant ship.

It is appropriate at this stage, 300 days approximately after the new Government's rule commenced, that this motion should be debated. Their failure to resolve the problem has raised grave doubts in the minds of many people. Every time we try to solve a problem this tablet of stone on Mount Sinai, the manifesto, is brought here before us. In June 1977 I listened to the many candidates, agents and canvassers of the Fianna Fáil Party, at church gate, at door and in street, indicate and outline the many ways they would have of resolving our problems. I heard the many promises that were made and saw the many gimmicks that were produced. Many of the promises were easily covered by the budgetary proposals last January, but the prime vote-catcher on 16 June 1977 as far as the general public were concerned, particularly the young and the unemployed, was the promise to create employment and to reduce this tremendous figure of 160,000 unemployed. In their election manifesto, which I am lucky to have a copy of——

We will give the Deputy another one if he wants it.

They gave around thousands of copies indeed. Their jobcreation programmes envisaged that in the first 12 months there would be 20,000 new jobs, and one could be talking in terms of at least 35,000 jobs. There has been a to-ing and froing on what this means exactly and I am not going to go into that now. In their programme they envisaged an allocation of £30 million for building and construction to create 5,000 jobs, £50 million in the public sector, Garda and civil service to create 10,000 jobs, and £20 million for 5,000 jobs to be created in the youth sector. The success of the Fianna Fáil manifesto's strategy centres around their new whizz kid, Professor Martin O'Donoghue, Minister for Economic Planning and Development, now in many places I believe re-named Minister for Statistical Confusion. He has descended from his academic heights to lead the country into an economic charge of the Light Brigade with as much strategic knowledge and concern for the result as had Lord Lucan at Balaclava and Custer at the Battle of Little Big Horn. I thought at one stage we were looking at a programme about cowboys and Indians which was on Telefís Éireann some years ago. I hope the Ceann Comhairle will pardon the expression, but I am using the terminology used by the learned Minister for Economic Planning and Development.

I agree with the Minister that our youth unemployment situation is frightening. Unless something realistic and immediate is done the prospects for our young people are very dim. This is the most serious problem that has ever faced our country and it is intensified because, as I gather from a census, half our population are 25 years of age and under. A far greater genuine effort from the Government is demanded to ensure permanent security and contentment for our youth in their own country. It is with no disrespect that I say that the measures of landscaping and improving our environment may be all very good in their own way but there is nothing permanent about landscaping our country. What the young people want is permanent security. The youth of today will not tolerate the only solution offered to their counterparts 30 years ago, the emigrant ship. They contribute to the well-being of the country and it is our duty to ensure that every opportunity is given to them to do so. If on the other hand national concern for their future is not forthcoming and apparent I fear the consequences. This Government's craze to return to power on the backs of our youth may yet prove to be a dangerous and irresponsible act.

I would now like to refer to the input in the budget for the jobcreation programme. In one aspect the promises of the present Government in the election campaign have proved very false. I am thinking of the promise of £20 million for job creation among our youth. The Minister for Finance on budget day clearly indicated that a meagre £5 million would be provided for this. This in itself is an indication of the interest in our youth; indeed many aspects of the youth programme are an insult to them. Ministerial statements are being made every day allocating moneys for job creation. As the motion points out, there have been no clear indications of any policy or plan to ensure that within the next ten years the problems facing our youth and unemployment will be countered and defeated. At this very moment how can the 20,000 young people who are earnestly preparing to sit for their leaving certificate in a couple of months look with confidence to the Government providing work for them? Judging by the inept performance so far in job creation, we will reach by the end of this year a figure of approximately 200,000 unemployed. This is not pie-in-the-sky, it is the stark realism of nine months performance by the Government. How can anyone in my region have confidence in the Government after their disastrous handling of the Ferenka crisis at Annacotty in County Limerick? Much has been said about Ferenka and about the workers' contribution to the closure of it, but several of the Ministers concerned had information which, had the workers known it, would have inspired in the workers more confidence in the Government's handling of the situation. Many Ferenka workers have since become disenchanted with the promises made in June 1977. There are hundreds of them, and in my area—I hate to put this on record—to have been a Ferenka employee is regarded in the mid-west region as something bad. This is unfortunate for the members of the staff of that concern who had worked there since its commencement and had contributed to making the industry what it was. The industry had suffered considerably as a result of the recession but it was a multi-national concern which did not have as its prime responsibility the welfare of the workers. Its closing was a disaster for the workers and for their dependants.

Are we facing a similar situation in another industry which, though not employing the same number of people is a medium-sized multi-national firm in which a semi-State body have become involved in the past couple of years? Are we to turn our backs on the Van Hool problem when the 350 workers there are in the position of not knowing what their future is to be or whether CIE, Van Hool or another organisation is responsible for them? To extend my criticism a little further, I shall dwell for a moment on the situation in one of the biggest semi-State bodies, CIE.

While I am concerned about finding employment for our youth I am concerned also about job retention. But if the Government shared this concern they would not have cut back this year the £34 million subsidy for CIE of recent years to £30 million for approximately 16,000 workers. There was no allowance in that subsidy for this year's wage agreement which in itself could be regarded as a further cutback of £4 million. There is indifference in so far as this major organisation is concerned. The total cutback is approximately £8 million, or 25 per cent. What are CIE to do in these circumstances and what must their workers be thinking? Does this cutback mean that the employment factor in CIE will be reduced by 25 per cent also to offset the loss in subsidy, or does it mean that the Government have put the gun to the head of the chairman of CIE and his executive to once again up the fares of those who avail of CIE's services, services which have been reducing down through the years and which will be reduced further if the Government are to persist in their attitude? Instead of cutting back the Government should be ensuring that CIE get a subsidy in keeping with the needs of a social service and thereby to allow the company maintain a service for the people in rural Ireland as well as in the cities. If the Minister is genuinely concerned about the employment situation I appeal to him to use his influence with his Cabinet colleagues not only to reinstate the full CIE subsidy but to ensure that there is included in that subsidy a sufficient amount to allow for the national wage agreement which is about to be agreed with the trade unions. Without taking this action the Government may be faced with an unemployment situation in CIE far more serious than what is envisaged now.

Today a Minister of State admitted that the live register figure is 154,000. We are talking, then, in terms of the creation of about 6,000 jobs. During the past six months the Government, and in particular the Minister for Health, have been claiming credit for the major job increase in the health services although it is well known and is on the record of the House that in the budget of 1977 the then Minister for Health was allocated about £12 million for the purpose of creating 2,500 jobs. As a member of a health board I know that that job creation effort was successful and that the figure projected was reached by the end of the year. Therefore, it is foolhardy and also a reflection on the intelligence of our people for a Minister to take credit for something for which he was not responsible.

Much publicity was given to the setting up of the Employment Action Team. So far we have had reports and surveys, but no action. As Deputy Kelly said here some weeks ago, the only job created by this team was the job of secretary to themselves. Certainly, they have made no impact on the employment situation in my area. It is time the Government stopped trying to cod the people and got down to the job they were elected to do and ensure, now that the recession is over and the world economy is on the upturn—I trust Fianna Fáil will not endeavour to claim credit for that, too—that there will be employment for our people. We must endeavour to put back to work those who have been unemployed for years. We cannot afford to have disappointed and angry young people. Unless we provide them with employment opportunities we can look forward to nothing but trouble in the eighties.

In the remaining few moments tomorrow evening I shall address some further remarks to the Minister on the activities and on the importance of the role of AnCO in training our young people.

Debate adjourned.
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