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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 31 May 1978

Vol. 307 No. 2

Vote 37: Fisheries (Resumed) .

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That a sum not exceeding £11,045,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December 1978 for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for Fisheries, including sundry grants-in-aid.
—(Minister for Fisheries).

: In the debate we had one constructive contribution from Fine Gael by Deputy Deasy and one contribution from the Labour Party from Deputy Treacy. Limited as the contributions were to one speaker from each party it is obvious now that there is in fact nothing but froth in a great deal of the irresponsible and destructive criticism of fisheries and from the information I have had from fishery officers around the coast and from the fishermen themselves and their organisations that is exactly the opinion to which I have come. In fact, the prosperity in the sea fishing industry at the moment far outweighs the unreality of most of the frothy criticism that has gone on here from time to time and has also been reported in the newspapers.

The prosperity of the fisheries is borne out by the representatives of the various organisations, particularly the organisation on the catching side of the industry. One does on occasion have the odd scare headline which tends to put a somewhat tainted image on what is in fact a steadily progressive industry. To bear out what I am saying I shall now give the House some facts. The final figures have come to hand for sea fishery landings and exports in 1977 as against 1976. I am glad to say there were increased landings of sea fish at Irish ports in 1977 compared with 1976. The increase was substantial when one remembers that very serious conservation measures were in force during 1977, conservation measures which restricted herring landings in particular, conservation measures rendered essential in order to preserve the basic stock resources of this very valuable fish.

The figures tell their own story. The value of sea fish landings in 1976 was £12.9 million sterling. The value rose to £18.7 million last year, an increase of nearly 50 per cent in the value of sea fish landings. During the same period, 1976 and 1977, the value of sea fish exports increased from £20.6 million in 1976 to £25.4 million in 1977.

The landings' figure is substantial. The value of landings increased by 50 per cent in 1977 as against 1976, in spite of the fact that the traditional lucrative herring fishery in the Celtic Sea was totally closed, and very partial bands were operating in regard to herring fishing in the north-west and the western coast areas. Of course, that again represents lucrative fishing. In spite of the very necessary conservation measures which tended to pull down the overall volume figures of landings and value figures, the volume of the landings figures were up from 80,700 tons in 1976 to 84,200 tons in 1977 and the value of these landings increased from £12.9 million to £18.7 million, representing an increase of 50 per cent.

These figures put this whole situation into perspective. They show the reality behind the froth is that we have got a steadily prospering sea fishing industry, an industry which needs to be minded, protected and guarded by imposing, on scientific advice at all stages, the necessary conservation measures which may be required to protect and enhance the various stocks as they become endangered. I cannot place enough emphasis on conservation. There is now a growing awareness nationally and within the Community, and internationally beyond the Community, of the importance of conserving fish stocks.

If the situation of a few years ago were allowed to continue unimpeded and unhindered, we were facing a drastic diminution of fish stocks which if the pattern continued, would have led to the virtual elimination of fish stocks in the oceans and sea waters of the world. That is now being arrested not just in Ireland but throughout the Community, where very serious action is being taken in regard to the North Sea herring stocks, and throughout the world.

With the creation of the 200-mile zone, which I feel will be finally legitimised as the norm for every country under the Law of the Sea Conference when it is finalised—it has not come to finalisation yet, but so many countries have now adopted the 200-mile zone that I feel it will become the norm—far more effective policing and monitoring of fishing can take place to ensure the preservation and conservation of stocks and to organise fishing on a far more scientific basis than heretofore, when the oceans of the world were wide open to unlimited, unhindered and unimpeded fishing by countries who specialise in deep sea trawling and deep sea fishing in every and any water to which they could get access. I mention that point because it is important to put that whole aspect of our fisheries into the proper, responsible and constructive context.

Deputy Deasy spoke very rightly about the important aspect which follows on the catching endeavour, that is, the whole aspect of processing fish on shore and to ensure we have got the onshore facilities to process fish. The employment factor comes in here, which is far more important in the long term, in my opinion, from the social point of view, even than the catching aspect. Shore employment can yield anything from 5:1 to 10:1 as against employment on boats. With boats now going more technological in regard to catching gear and employing fewer, the tendency is for a higher proportion, a growing proportion, to be employed in added-value shore fishing industries.

Deputy Deasy spoke rightly of the unnecessarily high level of imports of processed fish. I agree with him that much more sophisticated forms of processing are essential. This applies in the food industry generally, but we are dealing here with the fishing industry. In conjunction with the IDA we have embarked on a positive campaign to encourage such added-value processing. We had a very real success in Donegal where an excellent Irish firm have been established and are canning both herring and mackerel in a very sophisticated form under a world wide brand label. We hope to establish a sprat cannery in the near future.

Some very interesting proposals are coming forward in regard to Castletownbere where the industrial estate is now being completed. I have directed that a special drive be undertaken by the Industrial Development Authority and Bord Iascaigh Mhara to secure the required onshore factories for the industrial sites which are now in the final stage of completion in Castletownbere, where the bridge is being completed to Inish Island, where the industrial side is located, where the harbour works are nearly finished, and where we will have room for 16 to 18 factories inside a matter of months. There are some very interesting proposals providing for full vertical fish processing at every level from freezing right up to canning. Every conceivable type of processing will be envisaged under these specific proposals on which I hope to be in a position to make specific pronouncements in the very near future.

I want to emphasise that what we want in regard to fish processing is to increase landings and, if necessary, to engage in joint venture operations of that kind involving outside firms linking up with Irish firms, and outside catchers linking up with such onshore processing developments. I have discussed this matter with the Irish fishing organisations. They see no objection to such developments, provided the outside catchers coming in here relate their landings directly to onshore processing in Ireland. The fresh market within the Republic will not be affected in any way by such landings. I see Castletownbere in particular offering itself as a very likely centre for the type of development I have just mentioned.

Killybegs continues to be the major fishing port in terms of landings. I am very glad to be able to say that the auction hall, which will be an essential part of the selling and distribution of fish landed in Killybegs, has now been cleared and is going to tender in a matter of weeks. I hope it will be built and completed before the end of the year. With regard to other developments in Killybegs a syncro-lift has been sanctioned. Certain filling work is required there. This is ready to be started within a matter of weeks. Tender advertisements will be published very shortly and work can proceed. The two outstanding works necessary at the moment to make Killybegs a fully sophisticated port should be completed by the end of this year.

The Howth works will also be going out to tender in a matter of weeks. That is a much longer development and will take some years. The first stage of the port development work should also commence before the end of the year.

It is essential today to have proper landing and processing facilities. All that area of investment in the fishing industry is going to be even more important in the future than the catching side of it. We must build side by side with the catching side an important industrial arm. With that in view I propose to ensure a major development to make Rossaveel the major fishery harbour for the west and to orientate Galway more and more towards its natural development as a commercial harbour. A substantial pier has already been built at Rossaveel where fishing activity has grown in terms of personnel and boats. All we need to do now is to build the infra-structure on shore to make Rossaveel a major fishery harbour as far as the west is concerned. The development of fish stocks has been very heartening in the whole area from Loop Head to Belmullet. There will be substantially improved fish stocks in that area and a new herring fishery has developed substantially there in the past two years.

Other fishery harbours are going to be developed as well. We have development in hands at the moment at 29 other landing places around the country including major works at Greencastle, Burtonport, Cahirciveen, Skerries and Clogher Head. Castletownbere, Rossaveel and Killybegs are the major important works in hand at present.

Deputy Deasy rightly raised the point, in the course of his contribution, that the operations of Spanish fishermen need to be looked at closely. I share his view and I have taken some action on that point. I concur completely that there were a large number of Spanish fishermen fishing without a licence in our waters and that the fines were not acting as a deterrent; in other words we had a disorganised situation. I have taken that up as a matter of urgency with the Commission. As far as Spanish vessels are concerned the Commission have agreed, following my representation, that the number of Spanish vessels to be licenced under the current Spanish Autonomous Agreement be considerably reduced. That means cutting by approximately half the number of Spanish boats functioning within 20 miles of our coasts. The discussions are still going on. Gill netting by Spanish vessels which was causing harm to our fish stocks is banned. Hopefully, that is the regime that we will impose for Spanish vessels, who have been the main offenders in the current year as far as third countries are concerned. We have taken up the matter actively with the EEC.

Deputy Deasy has raised the question of the serious position obtaining in regard to sea fishing arising out of the recent High Court decision which held that the District Court was not the appropriate court to impose forfeitures involving substantial loss to the offending parties and that this type of offence carrying a forfeiture required to be met in a higher court. That is as briefly as I can put it, the gist of the High Court decision. Deputy Deasy has brought in his own measure on that account. With all respect to him, I will have a more comprehensive measure, because I have the facilities of the draughtsman's office available to me, and my measure will involve the principles set out in Deputy Deasy's Bill. I hope to have it in hand inside two weeks, and perhaps we could usefully discuss, through the Whips with the Ceann Comhairle's office the need to merge the two debates. I do not see the point in pursuing two different legislative measures at the same time when we are trying to achieve the same thing. Our Bill is the more comprehensive. It was delayed because of the constitutional and legal points that had to be got over, and they were gone into in considerable detail by the Attorney General personally to ensure that we are not faced with another legal contretemps in six months' time when the Bill becomes law. This was the reason for the care in the preparation of the Bill.

: If my Bill merely serves the purpose of speeding up the introduction of the legislation the Minister mentions it will have been worth while.

: The Deputy is entitled to his point, but we would have had the measure anyway. The Bill will get rid of the situation where, since the High Court decision, forfeitures could not be imposed in either the District Court or any court, because there is only District Court procedure under the 1959 Act. We have the ridiculous position at present where, despite the excellent efforts of our protection services, our courts are limited through the District Court to imposing a fine of £100. I propose to remedy that by having a two-pronged system of offences, one in the District Court and one by way of indictment in either the Circuit Court or the Central Criminal Court. One system will involve a £500 fine plus certain forfeitures—which we feel escaped from the High Court's decision—of illegal gear or nets or fish illegally caught, on conviction by the District Court. The other prong is by way of indictment before a jury with penalties up to £100,000 for the first offence, and on the second offence confiscation of the boat with the blanket forfeiture provision. There will be provision also for consequential measures such as detention of boat and crew for 48 hours after being brought into port to enable full investigation and examination of the boat and crew members to take place in order to secure proof to copperfasten the matter. I propose also to provide penalties for consequential offences relating to the need to have proper registration displayed on the boat and so on. We are going to move into greater scrutiny and examination of fishing boats, and we must establish a regime of this kind.

Within the 200-mile zone we will have to share fishing in one way or another with our other Common Market partners, with a decided advantage obtaining to Ireland by reason of the special preferential position that has been acknowledged for us by our EEC partners. This situation arises from the fact that our fisheries are under-developed and that there are very important social and regional problems involved for the fishing communities around our coasts, located as they are in remote and underdeveloped areas. Quotas have been allocated to us acknowledging this situation. During the past three years these quotas have meant increases varying from species to species of between 60 to 80 per cent in the allocations in respect of the various stocks of fish. That situation does not apply fully to herrings because there has been a diminution regarding the total amount for that species, but in percentage terms our allocation is increased although the volume is decreased by reason of the partial conservation plans that have been introduced around our coast. We agreed to these quotas as an interim measure and we trust that the situation will be finalised at a very important fisheries conference, because, coming towards the second half of the year, which is the main fishing period, it is evident that the situation will have to be finalised soon. A conference is to be held in Brussels from 19 to 21 June and we will be fighting hard there to maintain and retain the quotas that have been allocated to us by the Commission and which give us a substantial preferential advantage.

There are times when I am baffled to hear some of the spokesmen for the fishermen allude to the British Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries as being in some way championing our case. These quotas will be fought very strongly, particularly in relation to the Irish Sea, by the British. They will be fought strongly by the British also in relation to the north west coast or as it is known The West of Scotland fisheries. Therefore, so far as the EEC are concerned they and our mainland European partners are agreeable to the quotas that we have been allocated and to which I have agreed as an interim measure for this year. The people opposing those quotas are the British. Some spokesmen for our fishermen seem to think that the British are helping our fishermen in some way merely because they are making noises about an exclusive 50-mile limit, a concession they know they will not attain. Incidentally, they have watered down that limit with a preferential position for them of between 12 and 50 miles. Week after week the British prove they they are not on our side with regard to the acceptance by the Community of our special preferential position, a position that arises from the Hague agreement of three years ago and whereby there is allocated to us each year a percentage increase in quotas which by next year will be double the allocation of 1975.

: Are the British to be allowed to continue a system of fishing east of the median line in the Irish Sea in the coming season?

: We are watching that situation closely. It, too, will be part of the agenda for the 19 June meeting.

: It happened last year.

: It was done by the Manx Government but it was a matter of convenience between them and us. We have a very good quota there particularly for herring, for which we have a quota of 2,200 tons, which is more than double what we had last year. We hope to retain that quota despite British opposition, but I take the Deputy's point that we would need the control ourselves in regard to the boats going in there and in regard to the general monitoring of the situation. Last year our quota for herring in that area was 800 tons so there is a very substantial increase this year.

By reason of better protection methods as well as a better scheme of penalties and a better system of monitering we would hope to be able within the 200 miles to organise properly the fishing in that area. Our information at present is that the third countries who are not entitled to fish there except by way of special concession are, broadly speaking, with the exception of Spain, observing the 200-mile zone. I refer in particular to the eastern European countries. The Commission and ourselves have succeeded in putting Spain into a rational regime in regard to the exercise of her rights. It has been pointed out to Spain that unless she complies in this respect problems may arise regarding her membership of the Community.

The next problem that arises concerns our Community partners conforming to a regime——

: The Minister has mentioned a 200-mile limit, but has the idea of a 50-mile exclusive zone been abandoned totally?

: If Deputy Murphy wishes to ask a question he may do so when the Minister has concluded.

: We are having a very constructive debate on this matter, but Deputy Murphy was not here to participate in the debate which was opened in public at a plenary session which the Deputy could have attended. He chose not to attend.

: I asked about the 50-mile limit.

: The Deputy may not interrupt the Minister at this stage.

: We must try to ascertain how best we can monitor a system of control within a 200-mile zone and how best we can monitor the waters within that zone which we must share with our Community partners. We can do this only if there is a proper licensing system, if there are adequate penalties for breaking the law within that area and if there is a proper protection system to ensure that the law is enforced. In that connection it is important that the Community through the Commission have agreed in principle to allocate £30 million to the Irish Government for expenditure both this year and during the next four years on the purchase of craft and planes for the purpose of having a fully-equipped protection service in respect of our coasts, both for the outer 200-mile area and for the inner area where the fishing plans operate. This is to ensure that the third countries are excluded outside the 200 miles and that our Community partners within that limit obey the law, do not exceed their quotas and do not go into areas from which they are banned for reasons of conservation. This matter is being delayed because of lack of British agreement, but it is an important concession and one that was not in existence when we took office.

Mr. P. Murphy

: But Irish fishermen must stay away from those areas also.

: This concession means that those of our boatyards that can meet the demand involved, and obviously Verolme is one of them, are assured of a proper boat-construction programme for the years ahead. This will ensure that the protection vessels are provided. The protection vessels, numbering five or six, will be built in Ireland. The economy of Cork and Cobh and the surrounding areas should benefit from that investment.

Another aspect of fisheries which is very important is inland fisheries. I want to emphasise that a Bill relating to the establishment of the Central Inland Fisheries Board and seven regional boards should be ready for publication within the matter of a month. We are not likely to get a full Second Stage reading before the recess but it will be given priority after the recess. It will be available for publication during the recess and I will be glad to hear suggestions from Members and interested organisations. I would like to see that interest displayed during the recess by having as much consultation as possible with the interests concerned. This Bill will require consultation because it is setting up a new structure for our inland and salmon fisheries. As I said, this structure will involve a Central Inland Fisheries Board and seven regional boards located around the coast—north-west, west, south-west, the Shannon area, Waterford, east Cork and Leinster area, and will involve an amalgamation of a number of existing boards of conservators and the intergration of the present Inland Fisheries Trust.

I have allotted an extra £500,000 this year to the new structure to recruit the necessary personnel in advance of the establishment of the administration. That is very important. There is no point waiting until this Bill is passed and then recruiting staff. We have already started recruiting and have started discussions with the trade unions and the officials of the two bodies to set up a proper staff structure in the new administration. I envisage the cheif executive to be a responsible official who will have working under him a full-time properly trained staff with full rights of establishment and superannuation. What is needed badly in regard to inland fisheries is protection and development. Heretofore this was done through the boards of conservators on an ad hoc basis. There were too many casualties and too many temporary people taken on. There was inadequate financing and control. These boards are doing excellent work but in very straitened circumstances. They will require money, of course.

: The Minister was reported in the media three months ago as having made a statement to the Inshore Fishermen's Association that if he did not wipe out or seriously curtail illegal drift netting at sea this season he would resign. My information is that the poaching is continuing on an unabated scale.

: Will the Deputy give me time? I have not finished my speech. I am talking about the structures we hope to establish in the new legislation. Hopefully this will mean there will be better staff and a better finance system of fishery boards that would handle on a joint basis salmon, trout, and coarse fish problems.

I am very glad Deputy Deasy raised that point. Within the next few days the Naval Service will be in active operation—I am not going to say where—in various areas to deal precisely with the problem I said would be tackled. This is the first time that the Naval Service have been organised by any Government to do such a job. I want to pay tribute to the naval protection service. They performed an excellent job when dealing with foreign boats fishing illegally in our waters. An equal menace—and this does not apply to foreigners—is represented by some illegal Irish fishermen in larger boats off the coast who have been depriving the legitimate small traditional drift net fishermen of their livelihood in various areas in the past two or three years. This menace only arose during the last Government's time. It was not there to anything like the same degree but was let go on unabated over the past three or four years.

: Drift netting at sea is a recent phenomenon.

: That is the point I am making. This menace continued in recent years due to the negligence of the previous Government. Forgive the pun, but policy was allowed to drift in this area and larger Irish trawlers who had no right to impinge in our traditional salmon waters moved in and caused a serious deterioration in salmon stocks over the past few years.

I have the precise figures available which show how the drift occurred. It started about 1973 continuing through 1974, 1975 and in 1976 it started to dip. They had so depleted our salmon stocks in those years that in 1976 and 1977 the graph started to go down. That is a serious situation and I will do what I can to make sure it stops. The only practical step open to me to deal with this menace was to use the naval protection service. The boat facilities available to boards of conservators and their protection staff were not sufficient to deal with the problem. A serious incident occurred where guns were used by a large trawler off Loop Head last summer and the boat belonging to the Limerick board of conservators had to go into retreat. This time the Navy will be on the job.

The Navy will be on the job from now until the end of the salmon fishing season. We decided to do this from early June on because this is the time when large-scale illegal netting takes place. A system is worked that involves large trawlers with drift nets of from four to eight miles in width being carried between them across the salmon runs running from the south-west to the north-west. This system was used off the Shannon last year, off the coast of Donegal and off part of the south-west coast with very serious consequences. We may not succeed in our efforts to curb illegal netting but at least for the first time the forces of the State are being used in this regard. I was amazed at some editorial comment in one of the daily papers that questioned the wisdom of changing the Navy's role in this respect. The Navy is there as is the Army to aid the civil power in enforcing the law if the law is being flouted.

: We wish the Government every success in what they intend doing but if they are not successful we will ask the Government to fulfil their promise to the inshore fishermen.

: Although it is late in the day something is being done about a matter which was deteriorating to an alarming extent. It is not just in regard to the catching side that we have a problem. Extra staff are being taken on by the various boards this year to concentrate on the task of the inspection of salmon dealers, registers in hotels and restaurants with a view to making the disposal of illegally caught fish much more difficult. The Garda are co-operating in this effort.

It is not just a question of dealing with the fishermen, we will also deal very stringently with the onshore people who are causing trouble. Because salmon has increased in value a big commercial profit is involved and people will break the law to get money. In the process of doing that they damage the legitimate livelihoods of small traditional drift net fishermen, they do serious damage to our tourist industry which advertises the availability of salmon for angling purposes and they kill off a natural resource that has been synonymous with Ireland for centuries. It would be an outrageous commentary on us as a nation if at the end of the day our salmon stocks disappeared not because of the actions of marauding foreigners but because of the actions of some of our people who flout the law to make money for themselves without thought for others in legitimate business. It would be sad if we did not make an effort to ease the problem.

In relation to forestry, I decided some months ago to make a substantial increase in the grant available for private planting. The position was that for years private afforestation did not get the required attention so I decided to raise the grant for private planting in areas of up to 40 acres from £35 to £90 an acre and for private planting in larger areas £50 per acre. I have also ensured that where existing grants are due on an instalment basis they will be increased by a similar percentage. We have practically trebled the rate of the grant for private planting. The effect is that a number of cooperatives have shown interest in developing private planting on a co-operative basis with the backing of insurance company funds by way of legitimate investments by insurance companies in timber or land growing timber. The north Connacht farmers are preparing a pilot proposal within their area which covers Mayo, Roscommon, Leitrim and Sligo, involving the purchase of large areas by way of agreement, with the farmers remaining on, acting as stewards, making use of the State grants and being financed on a loan basis by certain insurance companies with whom they have been negotiating.

I regard that as an important aspect to encourage tree farming and to encourage people to think in terms of timber as a crop that can with the development of sitka spruce as a very fast growing species of timber, yield an income from thinnings now in 12 to 15 years. It is significant that some of the best land for this purpose is in areas where land has proved to be inadequate for normal farming, areas such as County Leitrim where because of the drainage system the land is not good for traditional agricultural methods but is ideal for forestry and for sitka spruce. We must recognise that this tree farming involves the retention of the population in an area managing their own farms. State afforestation ran into some opposition because it involved the acquisition of land and sometimes involved people leaving a certain area. Private tree farming on a co-operative basis involves the farmers remaining and participating in the development of the crop. This idea is only at an experimental stage as yet but I am sure we will hear more about it.

In relation to State forests, the target of 10,000 hectares or 25,000 acres is still being maintained and there are now substantial quantities of timber coming on stream. For this reason the Industrial Development Authority in conjunction with my Department have embarked on a study on how we should utilise the tremendous volume of timber that will come on stream inside of the next two years and thereafter. There will be a consistent, continuing recycling process, at the level we have now reached.

Heretofore our added value aspect in regard to timber has been just about adequate for the sort of timber resources we had up to now. In the future we will have a considerable amount of timber available but what we have at the moment is not adequate and does not have a high enough added-value content. I refer to the existing factories, excellent as they are, at Athy, Waterford and at Scarrif where there is the wallboard development as the primary added-value product. That is good in itself but there are more advanced ways in which there can be a higher degree of employment. I am referring now to the paper, woodpulp and newsprint industries. It is significant that all our newsprint requirements are imported to the value of about £15 million. We have no newsprint industry or technology.

This is now being considered by a committee of my Department and by the IDA, and I hope in the coming months to be able to announce something concrete with a view to encouraging private enterprise by way of assistance or by way of direct State action. The other factory, Clondalkin Paper Mills, is engaged also in added-value processing of timber. Discussions have taken place with them, with the other factories and with the timber industry generally as well as with the IDA to see how we may further this development. It is essential to plan now. We have sufficient factories to absorb what is coming offstream now but they will not be sufficient in two years' time. It is important that we start planning for the future so that when there is an upsurge in raw timber we will have the processing facilities ready.

Deputy Allen and Deputy Deasy referred to the wildlife service. This has now reached finality since the last Estimates debate. The Wildlife Advisory Council under the chairmanship of Mr. William Finlay, Governor of the Bank of Ireland, and with various wildlife interests have been established. This council is the advisory council to me on the various complex matters and interests that are associated with the preservation, conservation and the legitimate utilisation of wildlife. It is essential to have a council of this kind on which all the various interests are represented as well as my nominees in order to reach a consensus on what should be done. Hopefully the council will work. The legislative machinery exists. More staff are needed but recruitment has started. The council are now functioning and they have established sub-committees under the various headings with a view to offering a continuing advisory service to me from the people on the ground.

I wish to thank those Deputies who contributed to the debate. Earlier I made some remarks about inadequacy with regard to numbers, but I am most thankful to Deputy Deasy and to Deputy Treacy for their contributions. In particular I wish to thank Deputy Deasy; I thought Deputy Treacy dealt with many extraneous details and in the main the politically overheated aspect in relation to fisheries. It is time that we forgot who said what in relation to this matter. It is time we got down to making constructive and responsible contributions and realised that what we do must be done in a Community context. That is the reality of the situation, and we cannot go it alone in the matter of sea fisheries. That has been the situation since 1 January 1973 and, if it needed to be emphasised, it was emphasised by the European Court in their decision last year on the Coalition's measure. Of course our special interests have to be fought for but that must be done in the knowledge that it will be around the negotiating table. Only in that way can we solve this vexed question, only in that way can we work out a Community fisheries regime. I hope that will be done as soon as possible.

It is not necessary that we have an agreement tomorrow, but during the next 12 months I hope it will be worked out because the uncertainty that has been generated in the past few years has not helped the balanced growth of the sea fishing industry. Much hard work will have to be put into the negotiations in the next 12 months. At the moment all that is happening is that the Community are being brought into disrepute over their seeming incapacity or inability with the nine countries to reach an accommodation in this area.

I should like to thank the House for a constructive debate, and in particular I wish to thank Deputy Deasy.

Vote put and agreed to.
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