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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 28 Jun 1978

Vol. 307 No. 13

Green Paper on Development for Full Employment: Adjournment Debate .

: I move:

That Dáil Éireann—

(1) takes note of the Green Paper, Development for Full Employment; and

(2) at its rising this week, do adjourn for the summer recess.

It is proposed to resume after the summer recess on Wednesday, 11 October.

I propose, first, to review the state of the economy, both in its national and international aspects. This is the base on which we must build. Next, I will look at some of the options in the Green Paper on Development for Full Employment. Finally I would like to say a few words about Northern Ireland.

1977 was a good year for the Irish economy. Our growth rate of over 5 per cent put us at the top of the EEC league. Industrial production showed a substantial rise, agricultural output increased, employment grew, exports remained buoyant and inflation dropped sharply. All the indications suggest that 1978 will be another good year. Economic growth is likely to be even higher than it was in 1977.

Production in manufacturing was up 9 per cent in the first two months. The mid-May consumer price index shows that inflation has fallen to 6.2 per cent, the lowest year-on-year increase for over eight years.

The continuation of inflation at over 20 per cent per annum, which it topped in 1975, could have wrecked our economy. The fall in inflation was not all our own achievement; international influences helped. But the acceptance of reasonably moderate wage agreements, and steps taken by this Government, for example, the removal of rates from private houses, have been important also. Now that we have the inflation rate down let us keep it down.

One of the effects of cutting inflation is that consumer confidence has returned. People no longer feel the same pressing need to save simply to meet rapidly growing bills for essentials, or because they fear for their jobs. Consumer demand has been buoyant this year with year-on-year increases in the retail sales index and new car registrations in the early months.

Business confidence has also increased. This confidence was clearly discernible immediately after the change of Government. Investment activity is strong with imports of producers' capital goods 21 per cent higher in the first four months of this year than last year and with cement sales, a good indicator of building activity, 18 per cent higher than in the corresponding five months in 1977. The most recent industrial survey undertaken jointly by the Confederation of Irish Industry and the Economic and Social Research Institute shows that businessmen forecast increased activity in the months ahead. The value of agricultural exports has grown markedly in the first four months, rising by 40 per cent compared with last year. In the same period the value of industrial exports rose by just over 20 per cent. Predictably, with the overall expansion in the economy, imports have also risen. However, the balance of payments deficit remains within manageable proportions.

On the assumption that exchange rates remain relatively stable and the basic pay terms of the national wage agreement are generally adhered to, the average increase in consumer prices for 1978 as a whole is expected to be in the region of 7½ per cent, roughly half that recorded in 1977.

Perhaps the most dramatic evidence of the improvement in economic performance can be seen in the sharp fall in the number on the live register since the start of the year. The total on the register reached a peak of 113,400 in the second week of January. By 16 June the number had decreased to 99,490. This was a fall of almost 10,000, or 9 per cent, on the total 12 months previously. In fact, the numbers on the live register have not been below 100,000 since January 1975. Undoubtedly, the present level is still unacceptably high, but we are now demonstrably making significant progress. A fall in unemployment as indicated by the numbers on the live register does not necessarily mean that there has been an increase in the numbers employed.

The flow of immigrants or emigrants can produce this apparent paradox. In fact, there has been some comment to the effect that emigration has resumed in 1977. This comment is based on the figures for net passenger movement by sea and air which show that for the year ended January 1978, outward movement exceeded inward movement by about 13,000. This trend is not as recent as some people would like to make out: the figure for the year ended February 1977, for example, showed a net outflow of 6,700. While there was a net inflow overall in the previous few years, it is estimated that there was a substantial outflow in the 20-30 age group, reflecting the difficulties young people encountered in finding employment at home.

However, the figure for migration, based on net passenger movement, is not a reliable indicator. In the last two intercensal periods, 1961 to 1965 and 1965 to 1971, this same method produced an estimate of emigration one-and-a-half times greater than the actual figure as revealed by the census. If we had a census in 1976 we might now be in a better position to know what the facts are. Unfortunately the niggardly and penny-pinching outlook of our predecessors prevented us from having a census in 1976. Now some members of the Opposition are asking why the proposed census of 1979 which is designed primarily to pave the way for the establishment of an independent commission for the electoral process is not embracing facts that would have been disclosed in 1976 had a census been taken then.

Whatever about the details, I accept that the estimates now being quoted, particularly those relating to emigration of young adults during the past few years, indicate a disturbing trend. They show in particular the urgency of attaining the employment targets we have set ourselves.

It would be beneficial, I think, to look at just precisely what the background to these targets is.

Between 1974 and 1976, total employment fell by more than 30,000. In 1977, it rose for the first time for many years, admittedly by only 3,000. This year our projection is that the increase will be of the order of 20,000. We hope to attain this in two ways. First, the Government and public authorities generally are embarking on schemes and works which give employment directly or are directly conducive to the taking on by firms of additional workers. Next, we regard it as an essential prerequisite of progress that our fiscal and economic systems are such that enterprise and effort are encouraged and rewarded.

Immediately on coming to office, we took steps to implement a special programme of spending £100 million for the creation of 20,000 jobs in the public service, building and construction and youth employment. The arrangements for the continuation of this programme through 1978 were outlined by the Minister for Finance in his budget statement.

Almost 8,000 of the planned 11,250 additional posts in the public sector have now been formally authorised and about 4,400 of these posts have actually been filled. Recruitment procedures have been speeded up to ensure that posts created under the job-creation programme are filled with minimum delay. Most of the posts yet to be created are in the health and education sectors, and these are expected to materialise during the next few months.

The building and construction target is the creation of 6,610 extra jobs on building projects. Of these 1,670 were created in the latter months of 1977 and a further 1,400 jobs have been provided so far this year. The projects are being closely monitored to ensure that employment targets are met.

In addition, we have provided substantially improved investment and taxation incentives for industry and a record allocation of public capital expenditure for industrial promotion. Special attention has been given to the development of small industry. Expenditures for promotion of both domestic sales and exports have been significantly increased and the Government have established an Industrial Development Consortium to study opportunities for extending our industrial base with particular attention to the development of our national resources.

Unemployment among those who are under the age of 25, according to the EEC Labour Force Survey figures for 1975, constituted at the time approximately 44 per cent of the total unemployed even though the group represented only 30 per cent of the total labour force. We have the highest rate of population growth of all EEC countries. While this poses problems it is also our greatest asset, provided we can manage it properly and provide an adequate supply of suitable jobs for the expanding workforce of young people.

Initial progress on the two principal youth employment projects announced in the budget—the Work Experience Programme and the Environmental Improvement Scheme—was slower than anticipated because of organisational and other problems. The work experience programme is, however, expected to come into full operation after the summer holiday break. Work has now commenced on the environmental schemes in many local authority areas. The Department of Education temporary grants scheme for youth employment will, it is expected, provide assistance for projects which will provide temporary employment for more than 1,000 young people.

The Government have increased also from £10 a week to £14 the premium to schoolleavers under the Employment Incentive Scheme. However, action of other kinds is also necessary if we are to solve the youth employment problem, because unfortunately the signs are that youth unemployment would remain at a high level if we were to rely on economic growth alone to provide the jobs that are needed. The EEC Commission have recently put to the council proposals for support from the Social Fund for regions which have a high rate of youth unemployment. These envisage aid premiums to encourage the recruitment of young people by employers and programmes of recruitment of young people for newly-created jobs in the public interest. This matter will be before a meeting of the Council of Labour Minister this week. We must not merely provide jobs for young people but we must ensure that they are given the opportunity to develop to their maximum potential. Despite the improvements which have been made in recent years in our training programmes we still have a long way to go, and the rapid pace of technological change requires a continuing updating of training arrangements.

Our second line of approach depends on the creation of an environment in which enterprise and initiative can expand. This implies attention to both international and national trends.

With an economy like ours, buying and selling abroad the equivalent of more than 90 per cent of the value of all it produces, it would be naive to expect that international trends will not affect us.

The major problem is the exiguous growth rate in the European Community this year. Estimates are that it will be less than 3 per cent. Next year if nothing is done it may well be about the same. This is insufficient even to maintain employment.

Both currency difficulties and the new protectionism intensify the difficulties of recovering from the recession of the mid-seventies which is now happening all too slowly. On the other hand there is one impelling reason for growth which no country or group of countries can ignore. This lies in the numbers of unemployed in Europe, in the United States and in the major trading countries of Asia. Whatever the obstacles, this pervasive evil must be tackled. Europe cannot live for long with six million unemployed. All history shows that the penalties of failure will not be merely economic. If nothing is done, if the growth rate to which I have referred is maintained at only about 3 per cent there will be an increase in the six million unemployed in the EEC countries as a whole. Even if we attain the 4.5 per cent growth rate projected for mid-1979, it is expected that at best it will only keep the level of the unemployed at the six million now obtaining.

Current trends and how they can be got moving in the right direction will be discussed at the European Council of Heads of State or of Government of the European Communities in Bremen on 6 and 7 July next. The conclusions of the Bremen Council will provide a basis for the approach by the Community to the Bonn Summit later in the same month, in which in addition to the Community, the United States, Japan and Canada will be involved— representing countries which together amount for more than 80 per cent of all world trade.

The spread and intensity of the concern felt by governments throughout the world at the present situation and the reviving confidence in some countries lead me to believe that recovery will be further sustained. It is partly on this improvement that our hopes for further growth are built.

But whatever happens internationally, it is on ourselves here that the main burden of responsibility lies. We have never shirked this truth. No country owes us a living and it is no one's business to make the way easy for us. During the past year when international conditions were by no means favourable we have achieved rates of economic growth which were far greater than the average. We have increased our industrial and agricultural exports. Construction and tourism have expanded. We have brought our inflation down and decreased unemployment substantially. The question remains whether we can continue this progress if international trade and investment does not pick up —or continues at its present unsatisfactory level.

I believe that we can. First, we have the experience of growth when world conditions are not good. Next, we are starting from a lower base than the countries of the European Community both as regards income and employment.

Finally, the problems which affect us are different. We are not extensively involved in the industries where the highest overcapacity exists or which are in need of fundamental modernisation. Indeed, with redundancies here in manufacturing running in recent years at an average of 7,000 or 3 to 4 per cent of the labour force engaged in manufacturing, much of our traditional industry has already suffered the sort of restructuring which Europe is facing. The haemorrhage is now, I may add, slowing. In the first quarter of this year redundancies were running at the annual equivalent of less than half of their peak rate. And the new industries we are attracting are advanced in terms not only of technology but of productive capacity and marketing ability. In the months of April, May and June this year I, personally, have attended at the opening of factories or of industrial construction work representing part of a programme of investment by three firms alone, which will total over £450 million in a short period of years. This is the sort of progress we are making—and will continue to make for so long as we maintain a climate here which favours initiative and investment.

This brings me to a central issue in our strategy. We cannot progress if we try to operate a taxation system which penalises investment and effort. In particular, we cannot progress if the effect of a particular form of taxation is to penalise Irishmen for investing in their own country, while letting others reap the rewards—so long as they live abroad. We cannot prosper if we adopt forms of taxation which take away the proceeds of productive investment but permit gains from investment in houses, works of art, furniture and so forth to go scot free. That is why we have abolished the wealth tax and modified the capital gains tax. That is why we have introduced changes in the structure of company and personal taxation. The cost of these changes is negligible in comparison with the benefit. You cannot with one voice ask people to invest and employ and with another demand that they hand over to the State the proceeds of their risk and effort.

The details of our strategy for the future, based on a realistic appreciation of both the difficulties and the opportunities, internationally and at home, are described in detail in the Green Paper on Development for Full Employment. The options which that paper describes are intended to provide the basis for the discussions which the Minister for Economic Planning and Development and other Ministers will be having with the social partners. The central theme of these discussions will be how to achieve full employment within five years, within a framework of financial responsibility.

This raises a further major question. At present, the public sector borrowing requirement stands at an estimated 13 per cent of Gross National Product compared with 10.2 per cent in 1977, 11.5 per cent in 1976 and 16.3 per cent in 1975. Borrowing at this level is necessary in times of recession—or to get the economy moving. But it cannot be sustained without grave dangers.

The first danger is that the Government by borrowing too much will leave too little for private borrowers wishing to expand in agriculture, industry or business. I do not need to expand here on the dangers of excessive borrowing abroad—which leads to substantial outflows of money from this country and adds to our inflation.

On a more basic note, excessive borrowing increases taxation and can narrow dangerously the options open to the Government. Taking account of all the loans repayments and dividends received by the Exchequer on the loans it has issued in the past, the cost of borrowing has risen from about 13 per cent of the total Exchequer tax and non-tax revenue in 1972-73 to a figure estimated to be over 17 per cent in 1978. In other words, almost £1 in every £5 of total Exchequer receipts this year will be pre-empted to service debt.

Finally, with the moves now afoot in Europe for a greater convergence of economies, a more rigid system of exchange rates, and the upward trend in interest rates, we cannot sustain a level of borrowing which is even suspected to be contributing to our inflation.

Borrowing is used in part to finance the capital programme. And the capital programme is the way through which the Government provide hospitals, schools, houses, roads, money for industrial and agricultural development, harbours, telecommunications and all the other social and infrastructural works and services on which economic growth, in part, depends. More significantly, the capital programme is an important instrument for the creation of employment. How then can the Government reduce borrowing at a time when they are seeking not only to maintain but to increase employment? The answer lies in part in the nature of the services financed by the borrowing. This year the deficit on the current budget is estimated at £405 million or almost half of our total borrowing.

If we are to sustain the capital programme and avoid massive increases in taxation—both of which are essential to our central aim of creating employment—we must concentrate on the current budget. In 1979, unavoidable commitments such as the additional cost of servicing the national debt, the carryover effects of increases in public sector pay and numbers and the extra full year costs of the social welfare increases in this year's budget could add as much as £150 million to current expenditure. Clearly, therefore, the need to reduce borrowing and at the same time moderate the growth of current expenditure will impose constraints. We must look to those programmes whose cost is disproportionate to the benefit or which have become unconnected with reality.

This is not a purely negative approach. I have spoken of the changes in taxation which we have made to encourage enterprise in manufacturing and service industry generally. We will support this policy by a shift in emphasis in capital spending towards schemes and projects which are productive. The central question that must be faced in looking at every aspect of public expenditure is "In what way does this programme or that contribute to the maintenance or improvement of conditions for full employment?"

There are parts of our infrastructure, particularly in roads and communications, which are in urgent need of improvement. The works would in themselves provide substantial employment both directly and in ancillary industries like cement, machinery hire, maintenance and equipment. More often than not, the yield to the community from ambitious projects to improve the quality of our transport or communications systems is higher than the cost to the Government of raising the money. It may not be possible to quantify that kind of yield on a balance sheet but certainly it is reflected in greater efficiency and greater expansion of efficiency in communications and in telecommunications generally. The direct benefits to manufacturing and service industries for maximum efficiency are obvious and real. The Government intend, therefore, to look with particular interest to the need for developing these parts of our infrastructure.

Similarly, the cost of serviced land is determined like that of any other commodity, in part, by the relationship of supply and demand. There is scope, with an expanding construction industry and the need for more housing, for increasing the supply of this land by accelerated programmes for the provision of water, roads and other services. Increasing the supply is one of the most effective ways of dealing with the price of development land.

The allocations we are making for grant and loan capital for new and expanding industry are together the largest single item in the capital budget. These aids are additional to the tax incentives and remissions which are an integral part of the drive to provide industrial jobs. And what I think is particularly significant about this combination of direct and indirect aids is the fact that it reflects the determination of the Government to encourage self-sustaining growth in our economy in every possible way.

In relation to agriculture, we will be acting in the belief we expressed that this sector can and should provide the main thrust for the recovery of the national economy. We intend that the volume of farm output must be raised and more of what we produce processed and packaged through the consumption stage. In the White Paper published last January we gave quantitative expression to these views in setting the ambitious targets for increases of 25 per cent and 40 per cent respectively, for agricultural output and exports over the period 1977-80.

Of course, what we do has to be done within the framework of the common agricultural policy of the European Community. This policy has again been subject to criticism. The Government are firmly committed to preserving intact the fundamental principles of the common agricultural policy and will resist any pressure to have its basic structure changed. They will support development of the policy in ways which do not compromise its principles and which will improve its effectiveness.

I believe that the developments agreed at this year's price-fixing meetings of the Council of Agricultural Ministers not so long ago generally corresponded to these criteria and in so far as they related to this country specifically, fully justified the description of the package by the Minister for Agriculture as the best achieved for us since our accession.

Together, the general price increases and the agreed change in our green £ will boost agricultural returns by about £75 million this year and £100 million in a full year. The deal will involve a gain to the balance of payments of about £70 million in a full year and about £50 million this year. Equally important was the agreement on the allocation of substantial Community funds for arterial and field drainage schemes in the west of Ireland and in areas along the Border. The EEC are going to contribute £21 million towards this programme, which provides a valuable opportunity to bring more land into full production. This initiative and that taken in relation to structural reform in the Mediterranean areas represent a significant new departure in the agricultural policy of the Community which has now given practical recognition for the first time to the need to give special assistance to the less developed areas. In other areas, we secured undertakings for the early submission of proposals that would further relieve monetary anomalies threatening the expansion of our meat processing industries. The package generally should give tremendous encouragement to our farmers to expand output and improve efficiency in production and marketing.

There may be concern in some circles about the low level of the increases in common prices. On a longer term perspective, I believe that such concern is misconceived and, indeed, that with our comparative advantage, a continuation of this trend might well be to our advantage, in reducing competition from high cost producers and in minimising the accumulation of surpluses which provides ammunition for critics of the CAP. I would urge on farmers and farmers' representatives to look seriously at this particular proposition.

With the favourable prospects opening before us, we must leave no opportunity to increase output and efficiency unexplored. It is primarily for our farmers and processing industries themselves to take the necessary steps. However, public policy also has a major role to play. Already the Government have taken a number of major initiatives, as foreshadowed in our manifesto, and the Green Paper set out a number of further possible policy changes. These will be discussed with the farmer and industry organisations over the coming months. On the basis of these consultations, the Government will take decisions which, while they may not lead to a rapid increase in output, due to the time lags involved in farm production, will, I am confident, lead in the longer term to the realisation of our objective of making Ireland the world's premier producer of quality food.

Large as it is, public sector revenue and expenditure does not and cannot alone attain our objective. It can have a large but not a determining influence. Other major influences will be what happens in relation to wages and salaries and on the industrial relations front.

Of the many forms of income, pay is by far the most important, making up approximately 70 per cent of national income. For the Government the development of incomes generally is of paramount importance, firstly, because of the size of the public sector pay bill. On the basis of existing commitments, including the carry-over costs of the 1978 National Agreement and of new posts created in 1978, the pay and pensions bill for 1979 is likely to exceed £1,000 million. This is before any consideration of the position when the present national agreement expires. Clearly, with a pay and pensions bill of this size already committed, the scope for further increases is limited.

Next, though the import returns show a satisfactory increase in the volume of capital goods for further production, there are indications of a rise in the volume of consumer goods coming into the country. An accentuation of this trend could aggravate our balance of payments to the point where corrective measures would be necessary. These could affect the prospects for employment.

Finally, incomes are an important element in the determination of costs. If they rise too rapidly prices go up also. I know that this is a complicated area. The argument about whether price rises cause incomes to rise or vice versa has been the subject of much discussion which is not relevant here at this time. What is central is the fact that the level of increases in income is one of the factors which will determine whether we can attain full employment in this generation because the economy cannot bear the weight of an expanded programme of public capital spending to improve the quality and efficiency of our infrastructure and generate or underpin jobs and, at the same time, an excessive volume of increase in incomes.

The pay agreement reached last March goes marginally beyond what we had originally proposed. Few experience directly the negative effects of pay increases larger than are economically justified. Unfortunately cause and effect here are widely separated. The euphoria induced by the higher quantities of money in the pocket is seldom associated with the joblessness which often follows. I have stressed the changed emphasis that is necessary in public policy for the provision of the extra jobs which every representative union and group argue are essential. A similar change in emphasis in attitudes to income increases is also essential. The recent OECD report on our economy brought this out clearly when it said:

On the basis of the movements in real earnings and the progress made towards reconstitution of the profit share in 1976 and 1977, the pay agreements in those two years made a significant contribution to improving the employment and inflation performance.

Whether income increases are as a result of union bargaining, settlements following negotiations by professional bodies or adjustments in prices leading to higher profits, they must reflect the real value of increased production or services—or the establishment of a firm base from which further investment can develop. Otherwise they would cause inflation, contribute to unemployment and thus run directly counter to the most fundamental aim of Government.

A responsible attitude to increases in income is an essential pre-condition for the creation of employment. The proper conduct of industrial relations is of at least as great an importance.

Since the introduction of national agreements, Irish industry has experienced an overall improvement in the number of working days lost due to industrial disputes. This improvement is particularly significant when compared to the upward trend in days lost due to strikes experienced in other countries over the same period. Of the externally owned manufacturing firms operating in Ireland the great majority —more than 80 per cent—had no strike problems at all in the period 1972-1976. In that period of five years only 13 firms out of a total of over 500, that is of foreign-owned firms, could be said to have had significant labour problems—defining that expression as two strikes or more, and more than five days lost per worker.

However, certain recent developments on the industrial relations scene are giving cause for concern. Last year 421,145 man-days were lost due to industrial action and 65 per cent of the strikes which occurred were unofficial. Moreover, it has to be recognised that lengthy disputes in what, in modern conditions, are basic commercial services cause disproportionate harm. It is particularly unacceptable if those with secure jobs use their position in such a way as to destroy the job prospects of others worse off than they are. An accentuation of this trend would call for the most fundamental appraisal.

The reasons for the high incidence of unofficial strikes are difficult to establish. A breakdown in discipline and a lack of communication between union and the shop-floor may be a contributory factor. It is equally true that discontent among workers about their pay and working conditions, if allowed to fester for long periods, can lead to outbursts of wildcat action arising from apparently trivial causes. Managements have an obligation and a responsibility for ensuring that sufficient resources in terms of manpower and expertise are made available for maintaining and improving communications with their workers, and for establishing and improving, where necessary, agreed procedures within the enterprise by which grievances can be aired and resolved.

Government also have responsibilities. It is now many years since we had any significant changes in our industrial relations structures. For this reason, the Minister for Labour, on 5 May last, established a Commission of Inquiry on Industrial Relations to undertake a wide-ranging review of the industrial relations system and to make recommendations for improvements.

In what I have been saying I have deliberately refrained from referring to the welfare services. The size of the shock which our society has suffered in recent years from the rapidity of changes within it and from the extent of unemployment has made the old approaches to welfare irrelevant. It is no longer enough to say that this or that benefit has increased by this or that amount, or that so many new schemes or services have been introduced. The commitment of this Government to the maintenance of the present level of the welfare services for those in need and the improvement of their effectiveness and relevance is not in question. We have always held that economic advance is valuable to the extent that it makes possible and is used for the improvement of the quality of life and is concentrated to the greatest possible extent where the need is greatest.

Our approach in this area is based on the belief that the right to work is the most fundamental of all aspects of welfare, and that the improvement, through sound policies, of the real value of benefits is more relevant to needs than the allocation of ever spiralling amounts merely to counter the effects of inflation.

The reaction of the Opposition parties to the Green Paper shows obvious signs of blinkered thinking. They cannot free themselves of a view of our society and people which obliges them to conclude that the community commitment required to achieve full employment will never be forthcoming. In so concluding they also tacitly accept that unemployment is incurable, and, at a stroke, write off as worthless the career prospects of a vibrant new generation of Irish people.

The voters in the last election told Fianna Fáil that they wanted two things. They wanted a Government which they could trust and in which they had confidence. They also wanted a Government which played fair with them. This is how my Government have worked and will continue to work. I should like to thank on behalf of the Government the country generally for the co-operation we received over the past 12 months in getting this country moving again. We have kept our trust with the people by implementing our manifesto promises.

In so far as the Green Paper examines the real possibility of accelerating our progress towards full employment, it is necessary to embark upon a major process of consultation and discussion.

The aim is to put an end to unemployment within five years. To benefit the many thousands currently unemployed together with our young people who have not yet embarked upon careers, those already in employment are being asked to consider accepting a slower rate of increase in the standard of living than they might otherwise expect to gain during a period of rapid growth. In short, it is proposed that part of the new growth will be distributed in such a way as to fund employment in private or public sectors for all those who seek jobs. The Government are confident that the people will accept the principles underlying these proposals and will support a programme of action which will produce the full employment to which all sections of the community profess their commitment.

In making public these proposals the Government are not absolving themselves from the duty to direct the Irish economy along the road to full employment. It would not be appropriate to embark upon a dramatic new policy of this kind without first seeking to win the people's support for it. It is for that reason that we wish to have public discussion on the proposals. But in the final analysis it is the Government who will decide the nature and the scale of the action to be taken.

The Opposition parties are stunned by the novelty and dramatic nature of these proposals. These cynics search for an ulterior motive which does not exist.

: There are some of them sitting in the Taoiseach's front benches.

: I cannot see any in my front bench who are as cynical as the Opposition. There is further proof, if such be needed, that they have failed to understand the essential principles and motivation which are the life of Fianna Fáil—the fuel which fires the imagination, a fuel which never was and never will be within the grasp of the Opposition.

I should now like to say a few words about Northern Ireland. The essence of the problem there lies in the fact that two conflicting aspirations and two differing senses of identity have been enclosed within an area and within political structures which cater for one set of aspirations to the detriment of the other. In Northern Ireland this one over-riding reality transcends all those political issues which at one time or another bring about changes of government in normal democratic societies. The rigidly predictable politics there have failed signally to provide one of the most important practical advantages which the democratic order can offer to a society, namely the reassurance to significant and responsible minorities that they can hope for an effective share in the decisions which affect their lives and that the influence of the majority will be tempered by the prospect of change. The damage which that failure did to the prestige and effectiveness of electoral politics in Northern Ireland was a major factor in the rise of the terrorism which we have to face today.

The Irish Government have pledged their full resources to defeat violence from whatever quarter it comes. We consider that even the exiguous 2 per cent of the votes which persons supporting violence got in elections in the past overstates now the degree of support among the Irish people for the cruel and vicious campaign at present being waged. In pursuit of this objective my Government and previous Irish Governments have enacted and enforced a body or laws which in their collective effect are more severe than any in Western Europe.

: The Taoiseach voted against them.

: I recall the opposition of Fine Gael and Labour to one of the measures. Does Deputy Kelly remember the winter of 1972?

: Did the Taoiseach refer that to the Supreme Court? Did he not say it was inconsistent?

: I wonder which way Deputy Harte voted in 1972?

: Whatever we are, we are consistent, every one of us. These laws lend no credence to the view that there is even a scintilla of sympathy on these benches for those who shoot and bomb and murder. The police forces in both parts of the country co-operate to the fullest extent possible with other police forces in tracking down the perpetrators of violence and bringing them to justice. Our courts are empowered to try and sentence people convicted of a very full range of offences involving violence, no matter where in Ireland they are perpetrated. The presence in our jails of a large number of persons who used or advocate these methods shows only too clearly that our policy is no empty threat. We enforce our laws and have been utterly consistent in our refusal to talk or deal with the men of violence.

It is deplorable, against this background, that we are still exposed to strident accusations arising out of the constraints on our courts in relation to extradition. It is difficult to understand the motivation of those who insist that the question must be solved in one particular form, which is known to present constitutional and legal difficulties for us, and for many other countries in Europe while ignoring or dismissing an alternative solution which we are ready and eager to put into practice. Indeed, it is difficult to avoid the suspicion that such attitudes are inspired by motives which at best are only remotely connected with the substantive objective of ensuring that fugitive criminals are brought to justice.

Political violence has marked every decade for 60 years in Northern Ireland—and on the present occasion has so far lasted for nearly a full decade. The problems which create this situation are not economic. Neither can they be solved by security measures alone. It cannot be stressed often enough that they are political in their base and in their essence.

The illusion that these problems will go away if the number of police is increased or if this law or that is modified is not only naïve but dangerous. And just as dangerous is the tendency to trace the failure of policies based on security alone to what is happening or said not to be happening in this country. There is a phrase about those who do not learn from the past being condemned to relive it. In Northern Ireland, that phrase has a lethal connotation—the consequence of the failure to learn will be more deaths, more destruction and more decades of violence.

That is not what we want for the people of Northern Ireland—or of this or our neighbouring island. What we desire and what I am sure all the people and governments concerned wish is a just and lasting peace. That cannot be achieved by policies which seek to repeat the past. It is our belief that that can be attained only by a recognition of the political realities, only by a coming together of the people of this island, in peace, and under agreed structures. That is why we said in the manifesto which we put before the people last year that the central aim of our policy was to secure by peaceful means the unity and independence of Ireland. We believe this to be the legitimate aspiration of the vast majority of the Irish people.

We believe that this aim can best be achieved by a declaration by the British Government of their willingness to encourage the unity of Ireland, by agreement, in independence and in harmonious relationship between the two islands.

Unity does not have to happen immediately. Hundreds of years of history cannot be erased in a day. In the short term, the necessity for a new political initiative as a counter to terrorism remains. There is no simple or easy formula or design for this, but the very nature of the problem dictates the direction in which a solution must be sought. It cannot be derived from analogies with different societies where the ordinary play of democracy ensures that every substantial group in turn gets a share of responsibility in Government. These conditions do not obtain in Northern Ireland. The solution must be sought in the direction of giving both sections of the Northern community the possibility of participating in the decisions which affect their society and their lives.

There can be no peace without the support of the whole community. These beliefs are fundamental to the support we have given to the policy recently reaffirmed by the Northern Ireland Secretary of State of working towards a system of devolved government in which the elected representatives of both parts of the community can participate on a fair basis in a way which will be acceptable to a majority in both parts. We will support any effort to advance the idea of devolution on the principle of power sharing partnership or participation—however described—once it is clear that whatever structures are agreed upon, are acceptable to both sections of the community. The attempt at the establishment of institutions on any other basis than that of acceptance by both communities in Northern Ireland could have the most disastrous consequences.

These are not my views alone or the views of this Government. Successive Irish Governments have been consistent in this regard. It is vitally important that all other parties involved, and particularly those exercising direct responsibility in Northern Ireland, should manifest equal consistency.

Since my visit to the United States, the leaders of both Opposition parties have themselves had occasion to travel there. I would like to avail of this opportunity to express my appreciation of the support which they expressed both there and since I came home for the lines of policy I have mentioned. I think that this policy is fully understood and appreciated by the American leaders with whom we spoke, as a reflection of a united position here supported by the entire spectrum of political opinion in this country. To those American leaders also I would like to express my thanks.

The absence of agreement as to the long-term objectives does not inhibit North-South co-operation between the British and Irish authorities. As Deputies will be aware the main aspects of this co-operation are in the economic, security and political areas and all three are regularly discussed at political, diplomatic and official level. The recently published Reports on Economic Co-operation incorporate agreement on an outline programme for further co-operation and closer consultation on a wide range of economic matters, with both North-South and Anglo-Irish dimensions, and are an important factor in this regard. Our desire is to see closer contacts and further co-operation develop between North and South and between Great Britain and Ireland. Cross-Border co-operation is a positive demonstration of the commitment of both Governments to progress in Border areas which suffer from severe economic problems. Indeed, the existence of the Border, in itself has meant that the people on both sides have suffered grave deprivation. They have some of the highest levels of unemployment in these islands. We believe that it is desirable that a deliberate effort be made to compensate for these disabilities.

The stakes are high. Northern Ireland can be a subject of strain in the relations between two friendly states. Violence there is unlikely to bring favourable comment on the responsible government. Lives are lost almost daily and the destruction of property unfortunately goes on. The possibilities for disruption by alien interests are great. There are grave consequences for employment and economic development, and these are not confined to Northern Ireland. The present troubles have so far cost the Exchequer here the best part of £200 million. A sum of like magnitude has probably been lost in tourism and other activities. The cost of Northern Ireland to the British taxpayer last year alone was well over £800 million and the additional security there added significantly to this figure.

The real losers are the people of Northern Ireland, with whom we wish to live in friendship. The benefits for the area of establishment there of a just and lasting peace would be immeasurable. We in this part of the island are developing economically at a worth-while rate. In 1965, average GDP per head here was about 78 per cent of the figure in Northern Ireland. Now it is perhaps slightly more. There is no basis whatever for saying that joining with us would be to the material disadvantage of the people in Northern Ireland. We share common interests with the North in agriculture, in industry, in regional policy and indeed in a whole range of issues which are now being increasingly determined in Brussels. The arguments for the course we are suggesting are historical, political and practical.

But to suggest that present divisions are economic or can be solved by economic measures alone is not enough. There are social, psychological, religious and moral differences between the different sections of the community in this island. Most of these divisions are based on misapprehensions—or even on fear. We must do all in our power to overcome them. That is why I have set up the Working Group on Northern Ireland to analyse the problems, both economic and otherwise, which divide us and recommend ways towards greater understanding of our common interests and the common way forward, in the interests of all the people of this island.

Above all, we do not wish future generations to be condemned to the frustration and suffering of the past. For Northern Ireland and this island as a whole, the worst tragedy of all would be to look to a future which is a replica of that past.

Our policy is concerned with people. We cannot let unemployment destroy the pride and self respect of a generation. We cannot look to a future for this island where the mistakes of the past are re-lived. It is our business and the deepest wish of this Government to build on the opportunities we have and improve on the momentum of progress that is already under way.

I assert confidently that Fianna Fáil is the channel through which the aspirations of the ordinary men and women of Ireland take solid shape. The people are concerned, and rightly so, about the future work prospects for their children. They know that conventional methods will not achieve this need.

Now is the time to take new steps. There is little point in using yesterday's methods to solve the problems of tomorrow's world. It is in this radical spirit—a feature which has always characterised Fianna Fáil Governments—that these proposals are made. They represent our positive response to the challenge before us. We ask the people to rally to their support. Our election victory last year was an expression of hope by the people for a better future. That hope was not misplaced. Our progress in 12 short months has already brought back confidence. We want to build on that confidence to tap the enthusiasm and commitment of our people, especially of our youth, and to demonstrate that we can create a society in which all Irish people can play their part and of which all Irish people can feel proud.

: We are asked to debate this morning the motion:

That Dáil Éireann

(i) takes note of the Green Paper "Development for Full Employment"; and

(ii) at its rising this week do adjourn for the Summer recess.

The Taoiseach when proposing this motion said in his introduction:

I propose, first, to review the state of the economy, both in its national and international aspects. This is the base on which we must build. Next, I will look at some of the options in the Green Paper on Development for Full Employment. Finally, I would like to say a few words about Northern Ireland.

In a script of more than 33 pages the Taoiseach devoted a little more than one-and-a-half pages to the Green Paper. This is a document that is supposed to solve our unemployment problem and we are debating a motion that is specifically designed to talk about the problem. In the last paragraph dealing with the Green Paper the Taoiseach stated:

The Opposition parties are stunned by the novelty and dramatic nature of these proposals.

Very carefully the Taoiseach did not refer in detail to anything in the Green Paper. One of the novel and dramatic proposals in the Green Paper is work-sharing. Speaking in Killarney at the 28th National Management Conference of the Irish Management Institute the Taoiseach said:

There are no easy solutions. Indeed because of the difficulties there is a temptation to turn to other solutions that appear to be less arduous. For example, one suggested panacea is to share existing employment through such steps as shortening the working week, having longer holidays, curtailing overtime or early retirement.

That is the Taoiseach's view of work-sharing, one that is thought to be a novel and dramatic proposal. This idea of work-sharing is new and we do not have any real examples to which we can point. I gather from the Green Paper that the idea of the Minister for Economic Planning and Development on work-sharing is that there should not be an increase in the level of wages in two jobs where the work in question had previously been carried out by one person.

The most obvious example that comes to mind with regard to work-sharing is that in autumn last year the Government replaced seven Parliamentary Secretaries by ten Ministers of State. They did not divide the salaries of the seven Parliamentary Secretaries but they increased the salaries of the ten Ministers of State. Consequently, like the rest of the Government, the ten Ministers of State are doing less. Senator Justin Keating, when he was in charge of the Department of Industry and Commerce, shared a Parliamentary Secretary with the Minister for Education, but the present Minister is running his Department with the assistance of two Ministers of State, and I would suggest running it far less effectively and producing much less than was the case when Senator Keating was in charge.

The Government hope that the Green Paper will have the effect of distracting the attention of the people from the Government's promises of last year. They went before the electorate last June saying that there were thousands of jobs only waiting to be created and filled and that if they were elected they would solve the unemployment problem. They said they had plans that could be put into effect immediately to do that, but after 12 months we are presented with a document that does not make any proposals but which is for discussion between the social partners. The decision will be taken at the end of this year, and this was reiterated this morning by the Taoiseach, who said that in the final analysis the Government must take a decision on what has to be done.

Instead of taking immediate action to implement their promise we are presented with a discussion document and a promise that a decision will be made some months later on the options contained in it. This is indicative of the whole approach of the Government towards the economy for the past 12 months. The document lists 25 discussion groups, commissions and inter-departmental committees but it states that final conclusions cannot be reached until the various bodies report. However, in another section of the document it is stated that the Government have alrady taken decisions. It seems to me dishonest to pretend that one is going to discuss options and possible policies with people while, at the same time, stating that the decisions have been taken already.

In the Adjournment Debate in December last year speakers from this side of the House said that the economy had done well in 1977 and that we expected further improvement in 1978. Indeed, the 1978 budget helped in that it increased the amount of money available to consumers with consequential beneficial effects on the economy. However, the basis for this improvement was laid long before this Government came into office. I do not want to go back over that ground because I have commented on it on a number of occasions. The basis for the improvement was an acceptance by both sides of industry and by the farming community that productivity, competitiveness and industrial advancement based on exports was the road forward for the Irish economy. We had structured carefully all our actions to ensure that nothing would interfere with that. When we came into office our competitiveness in relation to the United Kingdom was that we were almost 3 percentage points in unit costs above those obtaining in the UK, but when we left office we were 3 percentage points less. This was one of the factors that helped considerably in creating the boom in exports which we have experienced for the past two years.

It is essential that any action the Government may take must be aimed at maintaining this competitive element in Irish industry. It must be aimed at ensuring that the confidence of the Irish business sector will be retained. This is of great importance. Even in the time of the recession in 1975 there was confidence in our economy not only by Irish business interests but by business people outside, and there is evidence of this in the amount of outside investment attracted here. That confidence was continued through 1977, and I hope it is still there.

However, I suggest that what the Government have been boasting they have done, buttressing the economy, is not the reality. Indeed the Green Paper suggests the reverse. What investors want is some sort of certainty in the immediate years ahead, certainty about taxation levels and Government expenditure. They are the elements about which there are doubts because of the publication of the Green Paper. The difference in aim between the White Paper published earlier in the year and the Green Paper illustrates lack of continuity of the Government's policies. The White Paper, on page 65, states that it should be possible to limit taxation so that the tax burden would be less in 1980 than in 1978. That was published in January, but in the Green Paper published this month we find a table on page 84 which in effect states that taxation as an estimated percentage of GNP will increase from 31 in 1978 to 34½ in 1980. It is difficult to take seriously a Government who within six months can produce two diametrically opposed positions in regard to one of the most important elements of Government policy in a democratic society. It is difficult to take seriously a Taoiseach who speaks of the Opposition parties being stunned by the Government's novel and dramatic proposals in the Green Paper.

: The people will be stunned all right.

: I do not want to be rude or personal about the Minister for Economic Planning and Development, who is a nice person in his own way, but this is the kind of thing we could do without. He has told us that all questions must be attempted. Question No. 1 raises the merits of work-sharing and overtime curtailment as a contribution to the economy. That kind of proposition is not part of the world in which we live. Everybody will agree, of course, that fewer working hours and less overtime are desirable from the point of view of health and of the economy provided that at the end everybody will have the same take home pay. Unfortunately, we are not all saints. We all have commitments, and 99 per cent of workers in all sectors, from the highest to the man in the most menial position, have commitments which will absorb one hundred per cent of their take home money. To suggest that in an open society like this the reverse is the case is to live in a fool's paradise.

Most people will subscribe to the ideals of the Taoiseach that the aspiration of all is a united Ireland. I suggest that the real freedom will be when we have a situation when everybody who desires to work will have a job waiting for him. Putting forward proposals like those of the Government will only serve to make people cynical, because they will see this as an effort to deflect attention from what the Government are not doing. It will serve only to undermine the confidence of those we should like to see investing.

If the Government insist on a 38. hour week, how can somebody who wants to set up a factory be sure the extra two hours will not be added to his costs, making his goods less competitive in the markets he wants to sell them in? The person who thought up the idea that by reducing the number of hours worked we would add thousands to our work force has had no experience, never saw an insurance card or the inside of a factory. There are two people sitting behind the Taoiseach and they know well that this is so. A factory owner who employs 40 people and wants to increase production by 5 per cent would not simply add two workers to his labour force, because that would not be the way to do it. All factories are broken up into four or five units. For instance, there are the packing section, the office staff, the dispatch section and so forth. In order to increase production they work a couple of hours overtime. Since we began to talk about membership of the EEC, the IMA, CII, FUE and the unions have realised that our strategy must be to increase productivity so that we can improve our competitiveness in EEC markets for the benefit of our people.

The Green Paper suggests that on the basis of existing Government policies 21,600 jobs will be created, but these policies according to the Government cannot be sustained during 1979 and 1980. At the time of the budget the Government said they would increase borrowing to 13 per cent of GNP and they warned that such reliefs as were given in income tax, the abolition of rates and tax on cars were once off measures which could not be repeated in the years to come. Yet on the basis of those policies which cannot be repeated, they now tell us 21,600 jobs will be created in 1979 and 1980. The people must be approached in a much fairer way than this. We must be told how 21,600 jobs will be created next year if the Government are to cut back the level of borrowing and not repeat the abolition of rates on houses, car tax and other tax.

The Minister for Economic Planning and Development has been aggressive in the past few weeks since the publication of this document. The Taoiseach adopted the same tone this morning, throwing down the gauntlet to us and asking are we for or against full employment. That is a question which does not need answering.

: Do you love your father and mother?

: Exactly. Have you stopped beating your wife? It is a nonsensical question and nobody knows that better than the Taoiseach, the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Economic Planning and Development. The Minister for Finance repeated it on the radio last Sunday.

: Except that we will try to do something about it.

: The publication of a document like this does not do anything about it because the figures in it are at fault. I will give the Taoiseach an example, because I do not think he has read it fully.

: I will read it at the weekend if I have time.

: That would be a very good idea.

: That is a fair admission.

: We will send the Taoiseach a copy.

: Deputy Barry is in possession.

: On page 67 of the Green Paper there is a paragraph dealing with a residual job creation programme and there is a reference to an extension of community services. On page 69, paragraph 6.18 reads:

The extension of community services under the fourth heading can meet an important social need while introducing a wide range of opportunities for employment. The services envisaged under a residual job programme would be additional to those at present undertaken by the public service and would be operated by local authorities, health boards or community groups.

Very desirable. That will employ 4,000 extra people next year and will have employed 21,000 extra people by 1983. According to my calculations that will mean the Eastern Health Board will have an extra 7,000 people on their payroll by 1983. This is in a period when we are told every service must be looked at and everything will be cut back. The Minister for Health appears to be interpreting this as being aimed particularly at him. We had the comic situation of the Minister for Education being questioned on radio a few weeks ago whether his Department would be up for cuts and he said he would be in there fighting. This in a united Government. Fighting for what? Fighting to stop the school transport system being abolished. Fighting to stop university fees being doubled? Fighting to stop trainee teachers in St. Patrick's and other institutions being charged for their board? Fighting to stop capitation grants and other grants to secondary schools being reduced? What will the Minister for Health be fighting to stop? A curtailment in the number of medical cards? He made a speech last weekend saying people must be got out of hospitals and he said in the Dáil yesterday more hospitals must be built.

: He said they are taking too many pills.

: You have to swallow the medicine.

: If Deputy Barry had less assistance from his own Deputies we would get on much better.

: We are giving him a little encouragement.

: Give him a chance.

: He does not need any assistance.

: He is doing great.

: This Green Paper is about taxation and how the Government will raise money to be put back into the till they robbed for their election manifesto. That is very clearly spelled out on virtually every page. Equally clear is who they will get the money from. Interestingly enough, this morning the Taoiseach again defended the abolition of the wealth tax. That was not done for our benefit. We heard this argument before. It was to underline for Deputies from his own party who failed to turn up for the vote last week the official attitude to the wealth tax.

The increased taxes are listed in the Green Paper. I probably have not got all of them here but I have a fair number of them: to reduce investment grants to farmers to force older farmers off the land, to abolish the agricultural grant, to further increase farmers' rates, to cut back local authority housing construction even though that will be a difficult job. It is being cut back so much this year that it does not seem possible it could be cut back further next year. The increased allocation for local authority houses in the capital budget this year is 9 per cent more than it was in 1977 and yet the cost of housing in 1978 over 1977 is up by a minimum of 20 per cent and probably nearer to 30 per cent, so there will be less local authority housing.

This is why I said earlier the people who wrote this paper do not live in the world of real people. If any of them had taken the trouble to talk to somebody in the local authority who is responsible for SDA loans, they would know many people who have SDA loans or mortgages from building societies have to work overtime. If you stop them working overtime you put them back into local authority housing which according to the Green Paper, will be cut back anyway to make people buy their own houses. The private sector will be required to build low cost houses. I would have thought that idea from the Fianna Fáil Party had been sunk in the sixties and would never again be resurrected.

: Houses without chimneys again.

: There are proposals to tax children's allowances, to raise local authority rents, to tax social welfare payments, to cut back on the numbers eligible for the health services, to increase hospital charges, to increase hospital charges to VHI subscribers, to double university fees, to charge trainee teachers for board, and to cut food subsidies. I am sure there are more, but that is a list of ten or 12 I picked out immediately. The peculiar thing about all of these novel—and what was that word again?

Deputies

: Stunning.

: Novel and stunning proposals.

: Do not forget the word "radical".

: That is a transferred epithet.

: The people will be stunned.

: Deputy Barry is in possession.

: These novel and dramatic proposals.

: All the Deputies who are interrupting will have an opportunity to speak. We have two very long days ahead of us.

: These are novel and dramatic proposals to tax social welfare payments. It will certainly stun college students if university fees are doubled. A cut-back in local authority housing construction will stun the people who are depending on that type of contract and will lose their jobs, and it will not appear very novel or dramatic. Every one of these proposals in the Green Paper is aimed at the less well-off in our community.

The head of the Government who make these proposals in the Green Paper comes in here to defend the abolition of the wealth tax. The concern among the Fianna Fáil Party during the past few months about the wealth tax is caused by the fact that their own members are asking where the money is that was supposed to come back once the wealth tax was abolished. There is not a brown "make" of it anywhere. The Minister for Finance spent a fortnight here defending this on the basis——

: The Deputy ought to define the word "make".

: It is a Cork expression.

: It is the old ha'penny.

: It is what one has left over when one buys the goods nowadays.

: The Minister for Finance defended the wealth tax on the basis that money had gone out of the country and that investment would increase as a result of its abolition. I said at that time and during the budget debate and I say again now that there is not one scintilla of evidence that any money left the country because of the introduction of the wealth tax, but there is evidence that investment as a percentage of GNP was higher in 1975 at the depth of the recession than it was in 1972. I am told that five or six of the back-benchers of the present Government party deliberately missed the vote last week and have been pushing members of the Government to know where the money is that was supposed to have gone out and to be coming back because of the abolition of the wealth tax. That Government have returned to the 5,000 wealthiest people in the country £8 million or £10 million this year. The Finance Bill was passed in the same week that this document was published which proposes cuts in services which are really the same as increases in taxation. For anyone who is receiving children's allowance, its value is cut back because it is taxed by 25 per cent or 30 per cent and they are that much worse off at the end of the week.

One cannot change without doing serious damage to the economy the thrust that was started three years ago, the movement forward in the economy which is evidently to come to a full stop in 1979. There must be a steady growth and advancement over a period of years if one is to get the kind of confidence the Government are so fond of saying they have instilled into the economy which, as any business man will tell you, is unfounded because of the fear of taxation in the future. It is unfounded in the investors outside the country.

The Taoiseach referred in his speech to industrial relations. The greatest harm done to the prospects of investment during the past six months was caused by the two strikes in the Government's own area, from which they stepped back and which they allowed to develop to an extent which seriously damaged confidence amongst investors. I refer to the Post Office strike and the Aer Lingus strike, leaving aside altogether the figure of £5 million which the chief executive of Aer Lingus said the strike had cost. The Post Office strike did more harm to the prospects of this country than any one single factor, including the North of Ireland, and the Taoiseach gave a figure as to how much the troubles there have cost us during the past ten years.

The Minister for Labour was very bitter about the United Kingdom Government playing up the industrial relations problems in Ireland. One cannot blame them for trying to attract new industry. Whoever has a point to play plays it. We put that card into their hands. There would appear to be complete indifference on the part of the Minister for Labour as to the effects on the economy of that strike, just as there appeared to be on his part before Christmas a natural but irresponsible attempt to distance himself from the Ferenka dispute. Between the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy with his unfortunate manner and the Minister for Labour with his——

: Ineptitude.

: Indifference.

: I don't think it is indifference.

: Chronically low profile.

: I think it is his fear of doing something which is unpopular and may not turn out right that encourages him to try to shift the blame or the work on to someone else. If either of them had applied himself to the matter of Ferenka from the moment it reared its head that factory would now be open. I am certain that if either the Minister for Tourism and Transport or the Minister for Labour had involved himself in the Post Office dispute early on we would not have the reputation abroad which we now have. This I attribute directly to the present Government.

: If it was that simple, why did the previous Government not solve the problem?

: It was 10 days before we left office that notice was served and it was only in this year that the strike occurred.

: The previous Minister for Labour solved strikes by the dozen and was seen to work hard on them.

: The previous Minister for Posts and Telegraphs proposed to solve the problem by sacking the people concerned.

(Cavan-Monaghan): Has the present Minister a different approach?

: We did not publish confidential contracts.

: Fianna Fáil set them up.

: These are what you call the low standards.

: The Chair will be calling the Deputies who are speaking at the moment.

: This is not another definition of low standards.

: Deputy Harte will be called later, I am sure.

: The attitude of some of the present Government in trying to pass the blame, the buck and the work on to their colleagues would be comical if it were not so serious for the future of this country and for the prospects of attaining full employment. The present Government are obviously going to add full employment to saving the language and uniting the country as the three national ideals which are so far ahead that you must keep on electing Fianna Fáil because they are the only ones capable of achieving them. If they spent less time on public relations, photographs in the papers, the setting up of commissions, councils, review bodies, investigations and the 1,001 other things, and spent more time sitting down at their desks working at trying to achieve the atmosphere of industrial relations that is required, then we would move sooner towards our goal of full employment.

Here I accept part of the thinking behind the Green Paper, though perhaps for a different reason from what the Government might think. Part of the road towards that goal is that our goods sell abroad. A lot of our potential, expectations and past growth have been based on exports. They must be able to compete with similar goods being produced for the foreign markets to which we are going, and in the home markets against goods sent in here from other countries. One factor that contributed to that competitiveness was our industrial costs and wages. We had an example last year and early this year of what was a moderate wage agreement. The Government say that part of their strategy was a wage agreement of 5 per cent for the current year and if this was not achieved the whole strategy would be upset. The Minister in the budget debate of 1 February spelt out where this target came from. He said at column 358, Volume 303 of the Official Report:

... The target was formulated only after careful and detailed examination of the requirements of the economy in both the short and the medium-term. Demands for flexibility and for adjustments in line with inflation have to accommodate themselves to the need for pay moderation. The Government's commitment is unequivocal and, if agreement to such moderation cannot be achieved, we will have to take the necessary measures to ensure that excessive increases, if any, are recovered from those who secure them.

That was on 1 February when they would die for a 5 per cent wage agreement. That was the day they abolished the wealth tax. Within a matter of weeks that 5 per cent was 8 per cent, but it is not going to do any harm, according to the Minister, because it was approximately in the region of almost the 5 per cent envisaged for 1978. Of course the Minister was thinking in terms of balancing his budget and the fact that it would add only so much to the wage bill for 1978 which would be about 5 per cent. This again shows that none of these Ministers has any experience at all of the real world. The industrialist had to pay 8 per cent on 1 April if his wage agreement ran out. He was at a disadvantage from that day on. His goods were so much dearer. I attribute this extra 3 per cent that is damaging our competitiveness to the abolition of the wealth tax. This is not something that will stop this year or that you can pull out of the economy again on 1 January 1979 or whenever the wage agreement runs out, which will be on 1 March 1979.

: The Deputy is missing the whole point about the wage agreement. It is not a 12-month agreement.

: The Minister is missing the point about the wage agreement. The goods go up by 8 per cent or whatever portion of wages goes into cost. In the industrial sector that advantage is available only to the Minister in the amount of money that he has to raise for his national wage bill. It is of no benefit to the industrialist who has to pay the full cost from the time the wage agreement comes in. Admittedly the agreement runs for 15 months instead of for 12, but on the first day the agreement comes into force the goods go up by the extra 3 per cent. This is the kind of whittling away at our competitiveness that Fianna Fáil allowed for years before the change of Government and which ended up in the cost of production of our goods being higher than of those of the United Kingdom. We spent four years in not very easy conditions trying to revert and eventually we succeeded. Now in the next few years are Fianna Fáil going to do exactly the same and allow our competitiveness to be whittled away again?

I return to the Green Paper regarding mining. The Fianna Fáil manifesto stated that the Government would immediately establish a State-owned smelter and that thousands and thousands of jobs were waiting to be created with the advent of the smelter. The Green Paper states in paragraph 4.21:

... A major foreseeable development in the onshore mining area is the construction of a smelter. While much of the groundwork for a smelter project is well advanced certain major aspects of the project have yet to be fully defined and considered.

The Government were going to establish a smelter immediately and thousands of jobs were waiting; yet the major aspects are still to be considered. This Green Paper is a Government document for debating in the Dáil. The Government think that if they write down something or say it, then it is going to happen. They are suffering from that delusion. That is not enough. They say they are going to discuss the Green Paper with their social partners. I presume that means the employers' bodies, the trade unions and the farmers. Suppose the employers and the trade unions say the farmers should pay more tax and the farmers say they should not, what are the Government going to do to them? If the employers say the trade unions should work the same number of hours for less money and the farmers agree with that, what will the Government do? They are bound to get conflicting views. In the last election the Government said that the answer was to create thousands of jobs and get this country moving again. In 12 months they have given a boost to the economy through the abolition of car tax and rates and through tax concessions in the last budget to which we were committed also, though perhaps not on the same level. They are continuing the policies and it took a long time to get this admission out of them. Over the last 12 months they said that the upturn in the economy came only when they came into office and that nothing had happened before then. Eventually a fortnight ago the Minister for Economic Planning and Development admitted in the Seanad that there had been an upturn long before they came into office, and that all they were doing was riding on it and pumping more money into the economy, that would hopefully produce the extra jobs in the future. To pretend that 12 months later a document which has many novel and dramatic proposals, creates even one job, is nonsense. The Government should know as well as we that jobs are created by confidence at home and abroad. The Government have seriously damaged that because the people who wish to invest cannot see the taxation policies of the Government.

The Green Paper says that 34 per cent of GNP will be taken through taxation in 1980. Jobs are created by investment both internal and external, the prospects for which have been damaged by the unwillingness of the Government to do something about problems in industrial relations. There has been no evidence since the inept handling of the three strikes mentioned of any change of heart in that regard. I can see no Minister bursting with energy admitting that he was wrong and that he will not make the same mistake the next time. I secretly believe that some of them felt they were personally successful by not getting involved. That may be fine for the internal politics of a political party but it is not good enough to ensure that sufficient investment comes here in the future. This Government have been engaged in a stop-go sort of exercise which is bound to damage the economy and the prospects of those whom they so readily pay lip service to, the youthful unemployed. The time for producing papers, for setting up commissions and councils and for conducting investigations is gone. The Government have 84 seats; for God's sake let them start governing.

: The purpose of an adjournment debate is to examine the work of a Government over the preceding 12 months. With this Government that is incredibly difficult because of the lack of performance by them. The Government's attention has been devoted to endless meetings at Cabinet level on the economy and on economic development. One could not criticise any Government for giving major attention to the economy or to employment creation, but one can legitimately criticise a Government who devote practically all of their time to those problems and come up with no solutions.

The Green Paper was described by the Taoiseach, who claimed that he had a major part in writing it, as radical, novel and progressive proposals. Over the past 12 months from a Government that came into office offering dramatic and decisive leadership, we have had a White Paper on the economy, a Green Paper on the economy and endless discussion and speeches from the Ministers, not always agreeing with each other, as to the best approach to these problems. One of the major difficulties facing us is the uncertainty as to the political future of the present Taoiseach. That has preoccupied most of the Fianna Fáil members and it is undoubtedly a major factor in the obvious divisions that have taken place within the Cabinet in the production of the Green Paper. We have had the spectacle of Ministers not only running around the corridors of this House disclaiming any responsibility for the contents of the Green Paper, but we had the spectacle of the Minister for Health rushing back to his Department, issuing a statement claiming that there would be no cuts in his Departments, and the next day in the Order of Business, the Taoiseach disclaiming all responsibility for such a statement. Whether or not the Taoiseach continues as Taoiseach is a matter for him to decide. I am not advocating that he should go or stay but in the interests of the country he should make his decision clear and put an end to what is going on within the Government in relation to the future leadership of the party. It is not the future leadership of the party that is at stake but the economic and social development of the country.

This Government came into power last June with an unprecedented majority on the basis of a manifesto which promised practical utopia to the vast majority of the people. They made very extravagant and irresponsible commitments, and the ordinary person on reading through that manifesto saw the list of goodies, the promise of progress, full employment, expanded social welfare benefits and all the other good things the electorate like to hear, accepted the document on its face value and on the basis of it returned Fianna Fáil to power with a majority of 20. That was a totally cynical, dishonest approach to Irish political life.

This document was not put forward by people who did not know what the situation was, it was not put together by people who had no idea of the realities and the magnitude of the economic and social difficulties that face the country. This was a document compiled by a party that have been 16 consecutive years in government, whose leader in the past had been not only Taoiseach but had also held the positions of Minister for Industry and Commerce, Minister for Education and Minister for Finance; whose present Minister for Finance had also had very extensive experience of being in government. If the situation was not so serious I would have been vastly amused to hear a programme on radio last Sunday after the news which featured an interview with the Minister for the Gaeltacht about the breaking of the Fianna Fáil Manifesto promise to set up an authority for the Gaeltacht. During the programme they played recordings from former Fianna Fáil Ard-Fheiseanna. Two of the people whose contributions were recorded were the present Minister of State at the Department of Education and the Taoiseach, in which they gave a definite commitment that that authority, with very wide powers, would be brought into existence within 12 months of their assuming office. That was emphasised and repeated not alone by the Minister for the Gaeltacht, who has not any great experience of government, but by the Taoiseach and the Minister of State at the Department of Education. The explanation the Minister for the Gaeltacht gave the interviewer as to why it had not come about was that they had not realised the difficulties involved in bringing legislation before the House, that they had not realised that it was necessary to circulate such to various Departments, await their comments if they were not in the interests of whatever proposal the Minister was putting forward. They did not know that, and one of the people interviewed was the Taoiseach, who had been Taoiseach before for a number of years, who had also held the offices of Minister for Finance, Minister for Industry and Commerce, Minister for Education and so on.

The same explanation was given for the almost total collapse of the employment action team established by the Minister for Labour which was to give such dramatic results. Apparently he did not know, the Fianna Fáil Government did not know, that there were certain bureaucratic restraints on taking any immediate decisive action. These were explanations emanating from people in Fianna Fáil who had been in government for 16 consecutive years. And our people are supposed to accept such as reasonable explanations.

The Green Paper is not worthy of any detailed comment. It is an insipid document, one that appeared more to emerge from Cabinet discussions than do anything constructive with regard to our future economic development. One of the features of the proposals of the Fianna Fáil Government that struck me very forcibly was that they were almost totally identical with the proposals being put forward by Mrs. Margaret Thatcher on behalf of the British Tory Party. The approach of Fianna Fáil and that of the present Tory-Party of Britain towards economic and social problems are almost totally identical. I do not believe that Fianna Fáil procured them from Mrs. Thatcher because, in fairness to them, they were ahead of her in the arch-capitalist approach to our economic and social problems. Mrs. Thatcher is recognised even in Tory circles as being somewhat of a throw-back to the early-1920-type of Tory. I doubt if even a Tory Party in Britain could not alone refuse to advance social conditions in a country such as ours but also pull back and nullify some of the social progress made and legislation passed here in recent years. That is what Fianna Fáil have done in the last 12 months. They can talk as much as they like about what motivated the abolition of the wealth tax but it is now abundantly clear to our people— indeed it is even becoming clear to Fianna Fáil backbenchers—that there is no way abolition of the wealth tax could be justified in a country such as ours in the circumstances in which so many of our people are forced to live. It was a totally irresponsible act motivated purely for party political reasons by Fianna Fáil. And they are being lauded and applauded at every capitalist function they attend in gratitude for their highly capitalist approach to the problems we face. There has been a complete about-face by Fianna Fáil, who promised utopia to our workers if they supported them in the last general election. Workers and people in the lower and middle income groups are now being told that the only salvation for Ireland and the only way full employment can be brought about is for them to tighten their belts.

Twelve months after the publication of the Fianna Fáil Manifesto, 12 months after the people gave them their majority of 20 in this House, Fianna Fáil are telling them that there will be cutbacks in areas affecting only the lower and middle income groups in our society. We are told it is necessary to cut back on social welfare expenditure, health expenditure, education expenditure, on housing provided by public authorities, school transport, taxation on children's allowances. Indeed what they describe as work-sharing is in fact income-sharing; that is what they are advocating.

These cutbacks are what the Taoiseach described here this morning as the novel and radical—he used the word "radical"—approach to the economic and social problems confronting our people.

In so far as employment is concerned here we have a major problem. We have been told by Fianna Fáil— and it was loudly applauded last week —that for the first time in a number of years the figures for unemployment had fallen below 100,000 according to the live register. We ought to look a little more closely at the live register and that figure of slightly below 100,000 there reflected because in that period of 12 months no fewer than 14,000 people left our shores. Emigration has recommenced as a feature of Irish life. If one puts that 14,000 that left our shores on the live register the figure shown would be 28,000 people. The approach by Fianna Fáil to the solution of unemployment is obviously Fianna Fáil's traditional approach—— that is, open the flood gates and let our people be dispersed to the four corners of the earth in their search for employment.

There are a number of things in the Taoiseach's speech on which I should like to comment briefly. I will start at the end of his speech. It would make a marvellous quote for Our Boys or Dublin Opinion if one parsed the words and thought of the performance. Under the heading “Conclusion”—— conclusion is right—we find this: “We cannot look to a future for this island where the mistakes of the past are re-lived”. The Taoiseach is talking about unemployment. I will quote the full text:

Our party is concerned with people. We cannot let unemployment destroy the pride and self respect of a generation. We cannot look to a future for this island where the mistakes of the past are re-lived.

But that is precisely what Fianna Fáil are doing. Not only are they reliving the mistakes of the past but they are in fact accelerating in the direction in which they led the country in the past, where the whole emphasis, the whole motivation was on personal wealth, personal greed and personal profit. That is the only motivation Fianna Fáil have held out to the people since the middle of the 1950s and that is the type of mentality that has now got a total grip on the Fianna Fáil Party. Their whole philosophy, patently illustrated in the Green Paper, and their approach to our economic and social difficulties is that the only way in which one can motivate the people is by stirring up their greed. Fianna Fáil did that manifestly successfully in the election and, in doing it, they did a shocking disservice to the Irish people and to the Irish nation. That is becoming, and more rapidly than I thought, clearer and clearer with every day that passes.

What happened in the past when the whole reliance was on private enterprise? What happened before under Fianna Fáil when they placed the whole emphasis on private enterprise and private profit as the sole motivation? We had 7 per cent to 8 per cent unemployed right through the 1960s and into the early 1970s. When the rest of Europe had virtually full employment this country under Fianna Fáil exercising that same approach had 6 per cent to 7 per cent structural unemployment. Then we hear the Taoiseach say that we cannot look to a future where the mistakes of the past are relived. But there is no question about it. The mistakes of the past are actually being recharted for the future as far as this Government are concerned.

Fianna Fáil talk about achieving full employment within five years. How? By ensuring that the private sector are given every conceivable incentive. Everything sought, and more, has been given to the private sector and we are told that this approach will generate employment. Did it generate employment in the 1960s? Did it generate it in a period when the whole economic climate was much more favourable and when other countries had full employment? How can one possibly expect that old policy, which failed so miserably, to create full employment now?

Let us be clear. Let us not blame private enterprise or the private sector. Those in that sector have never claimed that it was their job to provide full employment. Their criteria are profits. If there is no profit they are not interested and they themselves, through their leading spokesmen, have told this Government repeatedly over the last number of months that they will not carry the can for the Government in the creation of full employment. They say they cannot do it. They have also said, frankly and openly, that it is not their business to do it. If it coincides with making a profit, then it will happen. It will be a secondary effect. If there is a choice between redundancies, between mergers which will lead to redundancies, and actions taken by private enterprise which will result in lengthening dole queues, and making a profit, then private enterprise, legitimately under the rules of private enterprise, will opt for making a profit.

What have the people been asked to do? What have the vast majority been asked to do? The people in the middle and lower income groups are being asked to tighten their belts. They are being asked to accept restrictions in their wages, a cutback in social welfare in real terms, a cutback in health expenditure, a cutback in local authority housing, a cutback in education, and other cutbacks which will affect only the people in those categories. What is the purpose? What is to motivate them? According to Fianna Fáil the purpose of the cutbacks, their justification and their motivation, is to strengthen and consolidate the capitalist system here in its worst form.

Surely the Minister for Finance sitting in the Front Bench, the Taoiseach and the Government must realise that the workers have some intelligence. They can be prepared to make sacrifices for the overall good but they will not make them in order to build up the very machine that will do them most harm, namely, the ruthless capitalist machine which Fianna Fáil are now seeking to strengthen. That is motivating Fianna Fáil but it will not motivate the vast majority of our people. It will not motivate the workers and it will not, and cannot, lead to the attainment of full employment.

We heard the Taoiseach this morning tell us that the Opposition parties were stunned. We were stunned—he was quite right—but we were stunned last week when the Green Paper hit the deck. That was a very stunning performance. There are people now in the Government desparately trying— so desperately that they are doing it publicly—to dissociate themselves from that publication. It is not a question of the development of the Irish economy, of the attainment of full employment, of a serious attempt to tackle the many and grave ills we suffer as a nation. The Green Paper has now become the battlefield for the succession race within Fianna Fáil. It is a high price to ask any nation to pay for the personal ambitions of any man.

When the Department of Economic Planning and Development was set up the Labour Party welcomed it. We had been advocating that over the years. Therefore, when the Taoiseach on taking office announced that he was appointing a Minister for Economic Planning and Development and setting up a separate Department, I, on behalf of this party, welcomed that initiative. When one looks back over the last 12 months at what has happened to that Department and at what part they have played as far as economic planning and development is concerned, one feels sad. That Department now fill approximately the same subservient role as the Office of Public Works play to the Department of Finance. The Minister for Economic Planning and Development has been reduced to an elected PRO man for the Department of Finance and for many of their outdated and outmoded policies on the problems which face us as a nation. An initiative that could have had, and had, tremendous potential has now become, even among professional economists, a sad joke. One only has to mention the words "Green Paper" to any professional economist, irrespective of his political leanings, and he will laugh. That is how serious their contribution has been to the problems for which we seek solutions.

This Government got their majority by doing a tremendous disservice to the Irish people. They have at least three-and-a-half years to go. They can sit tight and weather the storm, but I do not believe they will weather the storm because the storm is going to worsen. Their approach to full employment and the development of our society is doomed to failure from the beginning, because the whole philosophy behind their teaching, behind the Green Paper, the White Paper and the manifesto is outdated and could only find approval within the present British Tory Party. If you searched Europe you would probably find in 1978 that that is the only party who would try to advocate the same solutions to present day economic and social problems.

I believe that when Fianna Fáil have served their three-and-a-half years there will be a new appraisal by the people, particularly by the young people. The Taoiseach said that we could not let unemployment destroy the pride and self-respect of a generation. He also said that we could not look to a future for this island where the mistakes of the past are relived. I believe that those words will be looked at by young people in three-and-a-half years' time and they will not be prepared to allow anyone to relive for them the mistakes of the past. I sincerely believe they will see that the only relevant approach to our economic and social problems is a socialist one, the one being offered by this party.

We want economic planning. Unfortunately we were conned into thinking that the Taoiseach was serious when he appointed the Minister and created the Department. Real economic planning is necessary if we are to have progress. It is necessary to motivate our people, to give them a common purpose and a common aim, if we are to overcome the tremendous problems we face. We can do that not by giving an elitist minority all the money they request, not by giving them the opportunity of accumulating even more personal wealth, but by showing the majority of our people and our workers that they have a constructive, legitimate role to play in the development of the country and that they have a genuine say in how that development should take place. I believe the Labour Party is the only party that can create that kind of spirit and motivation within the majority of the people.

There are two issues I would like to refer to briefly. The first was not referred to by the Taoiseach, and that is the EEC. The EEC is playing an increasingly more important role in Irish life. There have been several grave disappointments in the development of the EEC, particularly if one compares what we were told not only by Fianna Fáil but by Fine Gael during the referendum on our entry to the EEC. At that time we opposed entry on many issues and have been proved more correct in our assessment of the development of some of the EEC policies than the other two parties.

The regional fund has, to say the least, been a grave disappointment to us—and we said that at the time. One of the features of the EEC that has been of very considerable financial advantage was the common agricultural programme. That is a means by which there can be a genuine transfer of resources from the richer parts of the Community to the poorer parts. We are regarded as one of the poorer nations. Because of our membership of the EEC our farming community have gained substantially, but our industrial side has suffered and thousands of redundancies have been created. While membership has been extremely beneficial to the agricultural sector, it has had very detrimental effects for industrial workers and urban dwellers in general.

However, we recognise that the overall effects of the Common Agricultural Policy are in the national interest. We have supported the CAP since our membership of the EEC. Our representative at the European Parliament, Deputy Kavanagh, has supported consistently the CAP against other political interest groups who were supporting a cheap food policy. Our argument within the EEC in respect of regional policy, social policy and the CAP has been based on the aspirations of the Treaty of Rome that there should be a genuine transfer of resources from the rich to the poor. We will support the CAP but there is an obligation at national level to ensure that what we advocate at Community level is put into practice at home. Nobody could justifiably describe the EEC as fools. They keep a close watch on what happens within the member states as well as what happens in other states. They are aware of the approach of our Government regarding the transfer of resources and the distribution of wealth within our own jurisdiction. There has been no such transfer or distribution. Consequently, we undermine the effectiveness of our argument at Community level for a transfer of resources from the richer to the poorer countries if, at national level, we refuse to make any serious attempt to redistribute our own wealth.

There has been no attempt on the part of Fianna Fáil to redistribute wealth at national level. The reverse has been the case because during the past 12 months they have adopted and implemented policies designed to ensure that the rich become richer while the poor become poorer. Although that may be a cliché it is not regarded as a cliché by the large number of people in this country who are living below the poverty level.

One can only be disgusted when thinking of all that could be done with, for instance the £10 million—small as that amount is in the context of the national budget—to relieve some of the social deprivation but which is being used in a very different way. Apart from undermining their moral right to seek a transfer of resources at Community level the Government are doing something else which is at least as serious. They are creating a division between urban and rural people by allowing the situation to exist whereby each time there is an increase by way of the CAP which benefits the farming community, there is also an increase in the cost of products to the urban worker. The difficulty in that regard is not insurmountable. Some of the resources accruing by way of the CAP could be used to subsidise food prices in order to cushion the urban worker against the worst effects of food price increases. For the past year Fianna Fáil have been allowing to be eroded those subsidies that are in existence and which were in existence when they took office. In this way they are doing a great disservice to the country. They are fuelling the division between urban and rural people when what we need is more unity and a sense of common purpose.

The other item to which I wish to refer is the question of Northern Ireland. The Taoiseach was gracious enough to refer this morning to both the leader of Fine Gael and myself apropos our visit to the US when we met with the Speaker of the House, Mr. O'Neill, as well as Senator Kennedy and other leading American figures in the political and, in my case, in the trade union world. The Taoiseach said he welcomed the support we had given to the policies he had enunciated. I am grateful for his expression of appreciation and I am sure that I speak for Deputy FitzGerald in that regard, too. However, let us be clear about this. The policies put forward by the Taoiseach in his speech this morning in relation to Northern Ireland represent a considerable departure from the policies that have been enunciated in this regard by him and by Fianna Fáil in the past. However, so far as we are concerned it is a very welcome departure.

One realises that there is a considerable departure on the part of Fianna Fáil when one compares the Taoiseach's speech today with Fianna Fáil's pronouncement in 1975 when they called for a declaration of intent by the British to withdraw from Northern Ireland. The only part of that pronouncement that is retained in today's speech is the reference to a declaration by the British of their willingness to encourage Irish unity. That is merely a rephrasing of the declaration made by the British Government in Sunningdale when they declared publicly that if the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wished to unite with this part of the country, nothing would be done by the British to hinder such unity. Therefore, I presume that the Taoiseach's reference is intended merely to retain the word "declaration". I shall not dwell on this question for very long but for the record I shall quote from my speech to the Labour Party Conference in April last:

Speaking last November at the annual conference of the SDLP as our fraternal delegate and also as the fraternal delegate of the Socialist International I expressed that third principle in this way:

There can be no real progress except with the mutual agreement of ordinary people both Catholic and Protestant, whose common interest is very plainly to see an end to violence and a beginning for peace. There can be no lasting solution except on the principle of community partnership and a form of administration that is drawn from all sections and is responsive to their different aspirations and culture."

That is just one quotation from a long speech. I was talking about a visit I made with a Labour Party delegation to the British Labour Party and in the context of that visit I said:

We said in these circumstances we felt we had a special right to say to the British Government that their lack of political initiative in Northern Ireland, which had been dictated by their own domestic political situation was, and is, totally unacceptable to us as a party. We ask them to seriously pursue the implementation of their own declared policy of power-sharing in Northern Ireland. We firmly believe, as I have just mentioned, that this must be achieved before any other progress can be made in the North.

I am very glad that three months later the Taoiseach has come out in his opening speech on the Adjournment Debate and has, with the exception of that wording, which I believe is more for face saving—he is entitled to that and is welcome to it as far as we are concerned—endorsed what has been in fact the policy of the Labour Party towards a solution in Northern Ireland and which I clearly outlined at the Labour Party Conference last April.

I hope that internal pressures within the Fianna Fáil Party or other factors will not move the Taoiseach away from the approach which he announced in his opening remarks to the House today. As far as the future is concerned I said that the Government have at least 3½ years to run. They might think they have all that time to have the in-fighting done and let things develop. I do not believe they have that time. We have a very young population; we have people who are anxious to see serious commitment for the proper development of the country. I am convinced that in the years ahead they will recognise that the only way in which progress can be made in this country is a rejection of the naked capitalist approach of Fianna Fáil and a clear understanding that progress lies in a socialist approach advocated by this party to our economic and social problems. We can do it and we will motivate our young people together to that attainment of a full employment situation with social justice.

: Deputy Woods. I would like to remind the Deputy that he, as well as all other Deputies, until we reach the final speeches, has 30 minutes.

: I would like to commence my contribution on a personal note. This is my first year in Dáil Éireann. I came to the House with a great respect for it and its institutions and I still retain that respect. If anything, it has been increased. I have found the work in Dáil Éireann extremely heavy, working both as a Deputy and a local representative, in legislation and in committees of the House. It is only fair to say, on my behalf and on behalf of other Deputies in the House, that never before have I been asked to do so much with as little support as I have had in the House in the sense of administrative support and back-up support. I have had 13 years experience in the public service as a post-graduate and I have had seven years in commerce and business. I beleive that if we are to give a service to our constituents and to our country as back-benchers in these three sectors, without being compelled to operate in just one of the sectors, it is essential that backbench representatives should have secretarial assistance at constituency level.

We could, if we had this assistance, certainly give the kind of service to our constituents, to our Cabinet, to the country and to this House, in particular, that I believe many of the now Opposition and backbench Deputies are capable of giving. In addition, we would, of course, be providing a number of service jobs in the country in line with the overall commitment in the Green Paper. I would like, having said that, to compliment the staff of the House, at secretarial and other levels within the House, for the job they do for us. It has always been a privilege to work with them. They have always been helpful and I would say from my experience of other Houses, which is limited enough, that their standard is a particularly high one. It is at the constituency level that I see the greatest need for the vast number of Deputies.

With regard to the more serious economic and employment matters, particularly to the Development for Full Employment, Fianna Fáil came from the last election with a clear mandate to provide jobs, to stabilise prices and to implement a manifesto, which had been put to the people. This has been done in very large measure as far as was humanly and physically possible within the first year of office. In that respect the Cabinet are to be complimented.

We now enter phase 2 of the Fianna Fáil plans and programme as put before us by the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Economic Planning and Development. We have a White Paper due late in the autumn of this year. We had a Green Paper published recently, which sets before us all the options for economic development in the forthcoming White Paper. The Green Paper sets out very clearly the problems and the options facing the economy and the people but it also sets out very clearly the main objective, which is full employment by 1983. There is no equivocation about this. This is set as a clear objective. This has confounded quite a number of people. They do not like to set such a fixed and definite target. It is easier to waffle around the subject but it has been set in this document as a very direct and immediate objective. Fianna Fáil, in doing this, have undertaken to guarantee the right to work, which is somewhat novel, although, it is enshrined in our Constitution. It has taken some people by surprise to go quite so far. I believe it is possible with many of the adjustments and developments which will be necessary in the White Paper in the autumn.

One of the principal things which the Green Paper does is to recognise our young adults as the nation's most valuable asset. This is something which has been harped on quite frequently here during the year, particularly by new and younger backbenchers. The Green Paper gives recognition to this fact. Our youthfulness as a country is one of the major characteristics of the Irish people at this point in our history. Our high birth rate, our high percentage of young and highly educated people, our high standard of education —these are the characteristics which can and will make us a young and a dynamic force in Europe.

Why then, you may ask, have so many of the economic commentators and Opposition spokesmen and particularly the two spokesmen who spoke this morning, failed to identify this opportunity? If we look at Deputy Barry's contribution, he has asked several question. He said the Minister for Economic Planning and Development is a nice fellow. He is indeed a very nice fellow. He is a very honourable fellow, a very honest fellow, a very straightforward fellow and, so far, a very successful fellow in terms of the plans and objectives which he has put before the Irish people. He is more than a nice fellow.

Deputy Barry would like us to believe that he is not part of the real world, that he is somewhere in the upper stratosphere. Deputy Barry says we are not all saints, that we have our commitments and consequently are not prepared to rise to the clarion call which has been put to us by the Minister for Economic Planning and Development. On the other hand, Deputy Cluskey said that the only motivation in the Green Paper is that of personal greed with an exclusive reliance on the private sector. Here we have two very different and opposite views on what the objectives of the Green Paper are.

Deputy Barry was concerned with new concepts such as the concept, which he said is rather new, of work-sharing. He was concerned about the question of overtime and putting any limit on the amount of overtime and he was concerned about even raising the question of early retirement and saw very little prospect in sharing since you can, he said, have no increase in wages in sharing. It is not true to say that you can have no increase in wages while work-sharing. This aspect will be developed in the course of time. In relation to early retirement, I believe quite a few people would like to be able to consider optional retirement at 65. This is a possibility which might be welcomed by quite a number of people because it would give them an opportunity to find some other lesser activity which might keep them going for quite sometime. There is a great break at that stage and one which we will have to face up to and do something about. In relation to overtime, virtually all will agree that it is necessary to avoid excessive overtime and to maintain overtime at reasonable levels.

Deputy Cluskey mentioned the question of the exclusive reliance on the private sector. This I find difficult to understand, because full employment is the main objective of the paper which surely must be one of the greatest of all social objectives and, secondly, there is a statement in it to the effect that increased investment in the semi-State sector will be undertaken, especially where it will provide additional employment. It is not helpful to throw these catch phrases about before the people and before the Press without at least relating them to the facts which are contained in the Green Paper.

The Minister for Economic Planning and Development is setting the stage for a new and unprecedented phase of economic growth and social awareness and development of the Irish people as full members of the EEC. If we look at our progress in our first year we find that we are no longer a nation of apologists and pessimists, though having listened to the debate this morning I am not sure that the Opposition Deputies are convinced that we have reached this stage as yet. I certainly am convinced, my Party is convinced and I think the majority of people in the country have been convinced, that it is not necessary for us to apologise or to be pessimistic, that we have something to offer of ourselves, that we do accept that our ultimate success depends on our own iniative and our own efforts and that responsibility for that success or failure is ours, and we do not deny it. We have said what we will do, and we will do it. A short year ago few believed that we could reduce inflation to 7 per cent and less at this stage, stabilise prices, reduce the number of unemployed to below 100,000 and bring new hope to investors and workers alike. The pump has been primed and the people and the economy have responded. Let us be honest here that this has occured whatever our arguments and debates about the future may be. There is little point in dwelling on useless debate about the past when we know that the main indicators are there to show that both the people and the economy have responded, as was indicated and suggested in the manifesto and further developed in the budget by the Minister for Finance.

The Opposition have sown the bitter seeds of pessimism and emphasised repeatedly the negative, expressing delight at any minor setback for the Cabinet or the economy. I believe Fianna Fáil will tackle the problems of our economy and I believe Fianna Fáil will succeed.

If we look at the paper in greater detail we see the options are set out clearly under the different sectoral headings. Taking agriculture, for instance, the options include a review of the Common Agricultural Policy and the ways in which this can be reviewed and altered, the introduction of performance related payments, the provision of a new status for the advisory service and for farm training, measures for structural reform, the development and promotion of the co-operative movement, an emphasis on increased employment on farms and in agriculture based industries. There are many other sectors within this, and we could debate any one of them for quite some time. The options proposed are true to the manifesto and the programme which was set down by Fianna Fáil. They give agriculture the task of providing a major thrust for our economic development.

I would suggest in addition that an examination should be carried out of a gradual transfer of the ACC's farm credit to farmer control and the introduction of bonds which would allow industry to invest in our rapidly developing agricultural sector. This is an area which has been developing since our joining the EEC. All sides will be pleased with the developments in agriculture and the potential which has been there and is now being availed of, but this development in itself brings with it new possibilities and new challenges. One which I would like to see considered is the possibility of bringing a part of the total credit supplied to agriculture under producer control.

I welcome the suggested new group for horticultural development and I would propose that it be given the standing of a horticultural development agency responsible to the Minister for Agriculture. In terms of job creation this is an area in which there is a considerable possibility. I am glad to see that is recognised in the Green Paper. The proposed group should be given formal status as a development agency operating within the Department of Agriculture.

In regard to the options for industry and services, the manifesto and the recent budget have given a major impetus to industry. The criticisms of the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy are difficult to understand because of the success which he has been achieving in the past year. It may be possible to include other measures in this regard and three additional measures come to mind at this stage. One is the possibility of introducing buying agents to advise on the national cost benefit of contracts, particularly in the State and semi-State sectors. For example, take the case of the purchase of ships. It may cost us £3 million to build a ship here and £2½ million if we buy it elsewhere. What is the benefit to the State as a whole of such a purchase? Would it not be preferable to purchase at home? This case can be extended to the purchase of smaller items by the State and semi-State sectors. The second point is that we should have a comprehensive plan for the development of exports to third countries and in particular to Japan. I know that this is taking place under the auspices of Córas Tráchtála and the IDA. I believe there are extensive and valuable opportunities for us in this area and we should tackle them resolutely to ensure that our workers receive the maximum benefits.

The third point I should like to make relates to the feasibility of reducing our current £83 million bill for the import of agricultural machinery by producing more of this machinery at home. I do not have a fixed view about whether the production should be undertaken by one of our semi-State agencies or by a State agency in conjunction with the private sector, but the matter should be considered urgently.

I welcome the new emphasis on service employment. I recognise that there has been confusion in regard to the feasibility of the service sector. One of the earlier speakers mentioned that, under the residual job creation, there was concern with the feasibility of this sector as a whole. I think there is considerable opportunity in this area. The OECD statistics for 1973 show that the percentage of people employed in service industries in the US is 64.2, in Denmark 56.7, in Sweden 55, in The Netherlands 56.3, in the UK 54.2, in Spain 35.5 and in Ireland 44. These figures indicate that our percentage in service occupations is relatively low. Service industries can contribute greatly to improving the quality of life. I believe we are coming to a stage, economically and socially, when we can afford greater development in that direction.

I have a few suggestions to make in relation to this area. As we have great problems with our high-rise buildings in Ballymun and Swan's Nest Court, which is near me in Kilbarrack, we should provide lift operators on a permanent basis for these buildings. My view is that it was unwise to build high-rise flats without providing such a service.

In regard to the ESB, there is need for liaison officers, particularly in regard to payments. The ESB are prepared to make agreements with consumers but the present lack of communication with consumers creates bigger problems. The ESB appear to be doing well at present and I believe that this aspect of consumer service would be very useful.

The banks should also consider employing more staff to provide a better service for their customers for, say, Saturday openings, which would suit many people. There are other areas in which service could be improved. For instance, the free fuel scheme is not functioning well as far as old people are concerned. Perhaps Bord na Móna could provide some back-up assistance to ensure that the scheme operates more successfully. It would be a good idea to provide grants for professional and administrative assistance in community centres. These centres have been developing well in recent years and need the extra assistance which could be provided.

I am glad that the present level of social welfare expenditure will be maintained. I note from Table 7.3, on the volume and composition of public expenditure, which has a base of 1977, that the figure for current expenditure on social affairs for 1977 was 41 and for 1979 it is 44. I also note that with fewer people unemployed there will be more money available for social welfare. I have expressed concern with children's allowances and I am glad that the paper offers an option to put proposals and suggestions on the future development of children's allowances. It is only right that these allowances are payable to mothers. I do not believe that these allowances should be taxed. I do recognise that food, clothing and education become more expensive as children grow older. We should consider increasing children's allowances by £1 per month for children between the age of 12 and 18. Such an allowance would relate genuinely to the needs of the children. Having five children, I have experience of their demands. Once they reach the age of 12 their consumption rate is extraordinary.

In regard to local government, I was surprised at the statements made this morning in relation to houses, because I know and we have heard in the House that the housing target this year is 26,500, which is higher than that of last year. Funds provided for local authorities are increasing from £17 million to £39 million, a rise of £22 million. Nobody would believe that from listening to some of the statements this morning. The target for building societies is an increase from £120 million to £150 million, an increase of £30 million. Fianna Fáil have a good national record in housing. We have it nationally for all parties and we have particular concern about it in Fianna Fáil. We have a high percentage of home ownership. The Minister has promised to keep SDA loans under review. I suggest we need a very early review here and certainly for the White Paper. The SDA loan at £7,000, which represented an increase brought in by Fianna Fáil, needs to go up to about £8,000 or £8,500.

The low rise mortgage scheme which is working very well for certain categories should also be increased to the £8,500 level. I say this because I see these schemes in practice with people trying to meet the price of houses. I accept that we cannot make too much money available as this would drive house prices too high but I believe these measures would be valuable. I have made other suggestions in relation to housing, such as a home loans fund, during the year. I still feel such a development could be valuable. I have no time here to develop the idea further.

I am also concerned with mortgage interest rates. We should have a more rational and planned approach to them. Very high rates place an excessive burden on the home owner and the family. I would ask the Minister to introduce regular and orderly interest reviews, say at three-year intervals.

Community development is taking place rapidly in the past five years. It is tremendously important that responsibility be devolved to local communities. I welcome the Minister's promise of an early review and the proposals for reorganisation of local government. In conclusion. I should like to say that Phase One of the Fianna Fáil plan set out in the manifesto has been very well implemented, by and large. The Taoiseach and his Cabinet have provided the leadership and the country has responded. I formally congratulate them on the success of Phase One. The country is certainly moving and people generally are increasingly going back to work. Phase Two clearly shows that we are not resting on our laurels. The Taoiseach made this clear this morning when he nailed his flag to the mast. The options have been put before the people in the Green Paper. Guaranteed employment is our main objective. We are accepting the challenge. This in many respects is a novel approach, and the Opposition have expressed themselves as confounded, as indeed they were at the time of the manifesto.

I have every confidence in the Minister for Economic Planning and Development. I agree with Deputy Barry that he is a nice fellow, very pleasant, honest, forthright and direct and perhaps much more capable than he has been given credit for. He has put the options before the House and the people. To date, the Opposition refuse to debate the options or give constructive views. I look forward to a full and detailed discussion of the options leading to a well founded White Paper in the Autumn which will lead to the attainment of our main objective of full employment in 1983.

: Up to now we have heard very wide ranging speeches. I suppose by their nature they have to be wideranging to cover all the ground from the economy to unemployment, to the North and so on. I intend to be more specific and deal as best I can with one area of activity or inactivity, the area of consumer affairs. The degree of indifference, shall we say, lethargy, apathy and laziness—to put it bluntly—depicted in the inactivity in this sector is nothing short of astounding.

Last October certain expectations were raised by the Minister who at that time reintroduced a Bill and in order to expedite its passing introduced it at Committee Stage. It had been discussed to an advanced point on Committee Stage prior to June 1977. This side of the House facilitated the Minister in expediting the passing of that Bill, and the Consumer Information Bill became law on 21 February 1978. The main provision of that Bill concerned the appointment of a director of consumer affairs. Without him the Bill is not worth the paper it is written on. An admission by the Minister of State on this point may be found in the Official Report of the debate on 15 February 1978, Volume 303, column 1267. In that debate involving the Minister, Deputy Bruton and myself, the Minister of State said:

I appreciate just as much as the two Deputies opposite do that the Bill would not be enforceable unless we had a director. It is my intention that the advertisements for the position of director would appear immediately the Bill has been signed by the President.

Further on the said:

I would assure Deputy Bruton and Deputy O'Toole that I would hope that the advertisements would appear almost immediately on the passing of the Bill and that the director would be appointed.

That was more than four months ago and we are still awaiting the appearance of a director of consumer affairs without whom the Bill, on the admission of the Minister of State, is inoperable. So much for that piece of legislation.

I wish to refer to a second piece of legislation which was on the Minister's desk when she assumed office, the Consumer Protection Bill circulated in 1977 prior to Deputy Bruton leaving office. Reintroduction of this Bill was promised at least four times in the past six or seven months. It was promised immediately after Christmas. I want to be specific and fair and illustrate what I am trying to impress on the House about the lack of legislation in this area. I want to quote accurately from the records of the House. In relation to the non-appearance of the Consumer Protection Bill, on 8 December 1977 at column 1124 of the Official Report, in reply to a question by me at Question Time, the following reply was given by the Minister of State:

Mrs. Geoghegan-Quinn: I intend to introduce as soon as possible a Bill following closely the lines of the Consumer Protection Bill, 1977. Further examination of the Bill as published, however, has shown that it may require re-drafting in a number of important respects.

Pressed further by me the Minister stated:

The answer to the second question the Deputy asked is "the next session".

The question I had asked was when would the Consumer Protection Bill see the light of day. In reply to a further question from Deputy Bruton the Minister stated:

The Deputy will know all about it when the Bill is published in the next session.

So far that Bill has not been introduced. So far the consumers have not got any protection whatever from the Government in relation to their rights and to the expressed intentions of the Government as outlined in their manifesto before they took office.

On the matter of legislation, the heads of a Bill have been in the possession of the Minister since he took office—in fact, they were there before he took office. I am referring to a Bill concerning casual trading. I would hazard a guess and say that practically everybody in this House has been approached in the past 12 months with regard to casual trading along our roads but we get nothing but silence from the Minister who is responsible for rectifying the problem. So much for legislation.

I come now to the oft-quoted document— the Fianna Fáil manifesto. I am confining my remarks to the area of consumer affairs. In paragraph 1, page 10, of the manifesto under the heading of "Prices" there is the following statement:

The Prices Commission will be carefully and thoroughly examined, and restructured and brought up to date, as it is widely believed to be inadvertently protecting inefficient firms ....

During the course of the election campaign the National Prices Commission as a body came under very severe criticism by Fianna Fáil candidates, not least the present Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy and a solemn undertaking was given that the commission would be restructured to make it more efficient in dealing with price increase claims. In my innocence I pursued this matter, asking questions on different occasions. In order to ensure that I am accurate in what I am saying I shall quote from the Official Report of 25 October 1977, column 1024. In answer to a question concerning the restructuring of the National Prices Commission in line with the undertaking in the manifesto the Minister of State said:

... I am at present awaiting the response of the commission to my proposals.

These proposals were made to the commission by the Minister on 27 July 1977. On 8 December 1977 at column 1116 of the Official Report I asked the Minister for Industry. Commerce and Energy what had happened to the restructuring of the National Prices Commission and he stated:

In reply to a similar question on 25 October 1977, I confirmed that I had a meeting with the National Prices Commission on 27 July 1977 at which I put forward detailed proposals for more vigorous examination of price increase applications. I am at present examining the commission's response to these proposals, and until a decision in the matter is taken by me in consultation with my colleagues in the Government it would be inappropriate to give details of the proposals discussed.

At that stage the Minister was in possession of the commission's response to his representations. Still we wait for any restructuring of the National Prices Commission which, in the words of Fianna Fáil prior to the election, was totally inadequate and was inefficient in dealing with claims by companies for increased prices. These are just two of the areas in which we have had no response from the Government on solemn undertakings given by them.

In paragraph 6 of the Fianna Fáil manifesto there is a very definite categorical statement in strong and positive language. It states:

We will abolish the seven-day rule arising out of the outer UK zone, in respect of fuel price increases, as there is no price control at all under the present system.

That was a positive and strong statement about oil price increases. Remedial action was to be taken immediately because of the lack of price control. At column 1023 of the Official Report of 25 October 1977, in response to a specific question on this point, the Minister of State said:

There is no indication the arrangement is going to be terminated. As the Deputy realises, there is some information available to the Minister now which was not available to him before he became Minister.

I should like to know what was that information and I should like details of it. On being pressed further on the matter the Minister of State said:

As the Deputy knows, we abide by the seven-day rule.

That is after a categorical assertion that the seven-day rule in relation to this point would be abolished. So much for legislation. We have had one Bill which cannot be implemented because the main provision in it has not yet been provided four months after the Bill was signed by the President. So much for the promises and solemn undertakings given by the Fianna Fáil party prior to the last election.

There is a further backing away from the solemn undertakings given. There was a promise that the dissemination of information concerning prices would be a priority with the Government. The text of the promise is: "Full dissemination at least once a week on radio and television and in the newspapers of comparative prices of the most frequently purchased consumer goods in supermarkets and so forth in different parts of the country."

This again was a solemn promise made to the people, who responded in a very positive, and, I might say, a very gullible fashion to what they thought were genuine promises and solemn undertakings. The Official Report of 28 February 1978, records a Private Members' debate in which I took part with the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy. The Minister said, as reported at column 495, Volume 304:

On the question of dissemination of price information, exactly what was said in the manifesto has come about due to the intervention of my Minister of State to whom I am grateful. I am also grateful to RTE for acceding to my request in that respect.

The fact is that nothing has been done on the part of the Government to implement that undertaking. We have at the moment a programme once a week on radio which is very limited in scope and which gives us a very limited view of price comparisons between different parts of the country. We have nothing on television or in the press, and still the Minister told me four months ago that the promise had been implemented in full. Again it shows some shortfall in what we would all regard as honesty in speech.

I go on now to price increases. The idea was propagated by Fianna Fáil that they would control prices and ensure that the level of price increases would be kept to the absolute minimum, considering at the same time the importance of maintaining employment levels and so on. This is a very fine objective with which we all agree. The people agreed and said so at the time in a very positive way. The fact is that in the past 12 months—indeed from 5 July to the end of May—we have had in this country price increases in respect of 365 items. The most disturbing fact about these items is that the major increases have taken place in food prices.

We are all familiar with a document known as "The Coalition Shopping Basket", which was produced in its tens or hundreds of thousands a year ago by the Fianna Fáil Party machine with the intention of impressing on the people the massive increases that took place during our four years in office. That same Coalition shopping basket makes very strange reading now, particularly where the cost of essential foodstuffs is concerned. Looking at that shopping basket as published by Fianna Fáil, let us take just four basic food items out of it. We are informed, according to this document, that during the four-and-one-third years of National Coalition administration the price of bread increased 13½p. During that time inflation was running at a very high rate, and it was thrown in our faces ten times a day that this was so. With, we are told an inflation rate of 6.2 per cent, the price of bread has increased by 4p, in 11 months on the ordinary loaf. This is in so-called good times as again 13½p in four-and-one-third years in atrocious international times. The price of butter in our time in office, we are told, increased by 27½p per lb.; the price of butter in the past 11 months has increased by 5½p. That kind of increase of 5½p in present circumstances is a much larger increase, comparatively speaking, than the 27½p over our four-year period in office. The price of sugar, which went up 13p per 2lb. over four-and-one-third years has now gone up 6p in 11 months. Finally, the price of cheese in our time in office, according to this document, increased by 22½p per lb.; in the last 11 months 1 lb. of cheese has increased in price by 11p which by any standards is very high indeed.

Bread, butter, cheese and sugar are four basic food items and the massive increases in these four items hit hardest at the people least able to take that blow. They are the people on fixed incomes, social welfare benefits and assistance. We are told that the average outlay on food within the EEC countries ranges between 19 per cent and 31 per cent of gross income. You will find on scrutiny that the countries to which the 19 per cent refers are the highly developed countries where incomes are high. Naturally they can eat only so much and the percentage of a high income spent on food is much lower than the percentage of a lower income. The average family here spends 30 per cent of its income on food. A large proportion of that is spent on the basic commodities, bread, butter, sugar, tea and meat.

: The Deputy has approximately five minutes.

: An average couple of pensioners here spend possibly 85 per cent of their income on food and it must be emphasised that any increase will affect them seriously. The recipients of social welfare benefits and people on small incomes cannot and will not bear the brunt of this kind of increase in these food items. Adding to the hardship and worry is the uncertainty in relation to food subsidies. In a debate on price increases on 28 February 1978, Volume 304, column 495 of the Official Report, the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy, replying to a statement by me that there was a distinct possibility that we were seeing the end of food subsidies said:

The total amount being paid this year by the Exchequer in respect of subsidies on food and town gas amount to £69.8 million, which considerably exceeds the figure provided for last year. We have no apologies to make under this heading and the reference in this motion to the withdrawal of subsidies on the necessities of life which hit the poorest of the community hardest rings a bit hollow. The facts I have outlined make it ring all the more hollow.

I would refer the Minister to the Green Paper on Development for Full Employment where at page 83, paragraph 7.36 it states that the more appropriate approach would appear to be to phase out these subsidies over a period of years and that the timing and scale of any reductions would need to be related to the precise circumstances of the time. That is four months after the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy gave me an assurance that these matters were not being considered and that the withdrawal was not on. We are now told by a different Minister that these matters are definitely on. They are included in the Green Paper. If these proposals in the Green Paper are implemented how can recipients of social welfare benefits and people on low incomes afford to pay 3½p extra on a pint of milk at current rates and 29p a lb. extra for a pound of butter?

Acting Chairman

: The Deputy will have to conclude as his time is up.

: In the area of consumer affairs there is only one word to describe the performance of the Minister of State involved, and that is "laziness".

: We have provided the Opposition with specific subjects on which to address themselves in regard to our style of Government. Prior to the election we put very specific proposals forward in the manifesto. We followed up the manifesto with a White Paper for Development 1977-1980. The outgoing Government could not get a Green Paper on the economy together but within a relatively short period because of our new strategy we committed the Government to specific facts and figures. The White Paper which is presently being implemented is being followed up by the Green Paper which was received by the Opposition this morning in a stunned manner. The Opposition are afraid of the detailed proposals of the Green Paper and they are afraid that they might work. We are confident that putting on the table for discussion with unions, management and farming organisations such a positive set of proposals, with the intention of producing a White Paper in the autumn is good, consistent and positive Government.

The Green Paper refers to Development for Full Employment. When Fianna Fáil, after the Coalition's term in the late fifties found the country in a similar situation, they produced programmes for economic expansion that were scorned at the time, but the proof of the sixties is there for all to see. The Taoiseach in his speech this morning was looking forward. Unfortunately, Deputy Barry was not in a position to look forward, but had to rake up such ridiculous things as Ferenka, Posts and Telegraphs and the Aer Lingus strike. By highlighting these items what is supposed to be the problem area is being highlighted, although these comments are totally irrelevant at this juncture. The record speaks for itself on industrial relations.

The Taoiseach dealt in detail with the man-days lost and the percentage of non-striking situations in which companies found themselves. We should dwell longer on the constructive and progressive side of development rather than endeavouring to pinpoint and highlight isolated areas where there have been and always will be problems. We are not endeavouring in any way to say that all is well in the industrial relations area. That is why the Minister for Labour set up a working committee involving the people concerned to modernise the machinery used in industrial relations. That is an ongoing requirement on which some positive action has been taken. Therefore to highlight a couple of strikes is not being practical or positive.

The Taoiseach also made reference to a change in taxation in the course of his speech which is immediately interpreted by the Opposition as being detrimental. There has been very little positive response to some very positive thinking and the production of plans on the part of the Government. Obviously taxation changes are necessary in our developing type of economy.

The Taoiseach referred also in a broad way to the Government's strategy on investing the capital available to them, that the broad basis for investment will be in the main, and rightly so, the creation of employment and expansion of our economy.

That seems to have given the Opposition, and unfortunately some of the media, a reason for talking about cut-backs. When there is talk of the desire to expand and promote job creation there is immediately the negative reaction: what will that do, in a cheap political jibe sense, to cutbacks in welfare? The Taoiseach dealt with the subject of welfare in his speech and has stated the factual situation for the record.

The Taoiseach said also—and these remarks are applicable particularly to my constituency:

The allocations we are making for grant and loan capital for new and expanding industry are together the largest single item in the capital budget.

Representing a constituency containing 22 per cent of all houses built in the Republic last year I can readily see the immediate beneficial effect that the return of Fianna Fáil to government has had. There are four types of builder in that area—the Corporation, the National Building Agency, the County Council and the private sector. There many young families are being housed either by Government agencies or are purchasing their own homes. Also the Industrial Development Authority have been successful in attracting industries to that part of County Dublin. I find it very difficult to justify in real life on the ground the cries of gloom rising from the Opposition benches.

The Taoiseach referred also to agriculture. Indeed his final remarks in one sentence should be adopted as the major heading for agricultural and allied processing industries:

On the basis of these consultations, the Government will take decisions which, while they may not lead to a rapid increase in output, due to the time lag involved in farm production, will; I am confident, lead in the longer term to the realisation of our objective of making Ireland the world's premier producer of quality food.

There has been a lot of comment over the years on the need for getting maximum and added value in the food processing sector. Yet we still have a drain on many of our fine products through their export rather than reaping from them maximum job utilisation. There is recognition by the Taoiseach in his remarks—and obviously by the Cabinet—of the need for expansion and investment in this area. I hope it will be followed up. I have no doubt but that the farming bodies and other rural-based interests will be very keen on taking their part in job creation allied to agriculture.

On industrial relations I might refer to another comment made by the Taoiseach in the course of his speech when he said:

Of the externally owned manufacturing firms operating in Ireland the great majority—more than 80 per cent—had no strike problems at all in the period 1972-1976.

That is the message that needs to go out from this House rather than the highlighting of individual problems in any sector—80 per cent have had no strike problems at all. The man-days lost, 422,000, is a major drop from the previous year's figure but is still far too high. The level of unofficial strikes still demands attention. Hopefully the new Commission formed recently by the Minister for Labour will be able to address themselves to bringing about better communications and greater awareness in industrial relations, avoiding a lot of the wild-cat strikes experienced in the last four to five years.

The Taoiseach in his speech dealt also with the costing associated with the Northern Ireland problems when he said:

The present troubles have so far cost the Exchequer here the best part of £200 million .... The cost of Northern Ireland to the British taxpayer last year alone was well over £800 million—and the additional security there added significantly to this figure.

Those figures in themselves are very sobering and could bring reasonable people to the table to talk. That type of outlay is neither constructive nor helpful. It is indeed a colossal figure and definitely requires the Dublin and London Governments to bring about some form of positive, working solution. The Taoiseach has dealt with our position very clearly. It is a very practical, positive and sympathetic viewpoint. One feels there is a greater awareness in the North of Ireland that, under a Fianna Fáil Government, the whole of Ireland would have a lot to gain and would prosper if the initial breakthrough in communications and co-operation on some form of devolved government could be brought about.

Listening to Opposition speakers on the Green Paper and the manifesto one senses the great urgency that seems to run through the Opposition parties on the basis that our programmes may be successful. No alternative ideas have emanated from that side of the House. In a recent radio interview with the Minister for Economic Planning and Development, when two Opposition spokesmen on finance were debating details of the Green Paper with him and when the question was asked: "if you do not agree with the Green Paper do you have any alternative, concrete or positive suggestions to make?" the answer was: "No, you are in Government; it is your duty."

Debate adjourned.
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