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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 6 Mar 1979

Vol. 312 No. 5

Payment of Wages Bill, 1979: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This Bill is concerned with an amendment to the Truck Acts of 1831 to 1896, which were designed to protect the manual workers to whom they apply from abuses in connection with the payment of wages; towards that end, they provide three basic forms of protection, against payment in kind; against interference with the worker's freedom to dispose of his wages as he thinks fit; and, against unreasonable or unfair deductions from wages.

Deputies may have heard of the "Tommy-shop", often owned by the employer, which was a well-known feature of truck practice in the 19th century. It frequently happened that the worker had to buy goods there at a higher price than he would have paid elsewhere—the effect being much the same as if he had been underpaid by the employer.

While any return to the conditions in which it became necessary to enact the Truck Acts is not foreseen, it could be premature to abandon all the statutory protection which they afford workers. As regards enforcement in the field of truck legislation, the work of the factory inspectorate—here as in Britain—has in practice been limited to the investigation of cases which came to the notice of inspectors during their visits to factories, or to which their attention is called by way of complaint.

Most complaints have been concerned with illegal deductions from wages. Approximately ten such complaints have been received since the Department of Labour was set up. No prosecutions were necessary, as the employers concerned rectified the situation once their legal obligations were pointed out to them by the inspectors. Deputies might be tempted to think that ten complaints in slightly over as many years is a comparatively small number. Nevertheless, the fact that in this day and age valid complaints are made goes to show that one should be slow to contend that the Truck Acts are no longer necessary.

This Bill, then, does not set out to repeal the Truck Acts. Its central purpose is to amend that legislation in order to legalise the payment of manual workers' wages by cheque or other payment instrument, where both employers and workers concerned are agreeable. The present prohibition on the payment of wages by cheque to certain categories of workers arose unintentionally: while section 1 of the Truck Act, 1831, required manual workers' wages to be paid in the current coin of the realm, section 8 of that Act made it lawful to pay wages, with the worker's consent, in legal tender notes or by bearer cheque drawn on a bank which was within 15 miles of the place of employment and which was licensed to issue bank notes. The latter restriction has had the accidental effect of making payment by cheque illegal, since section 60 of the Currency Act, 1927, removed the banks' powers to issue bank notes.

The payment of wages otherwise than in cash is provided for in Article 3.2 of the ILO Protection of Wages Convention (No. 95), 1949, which reads as follows:

The competent authority may permit or prescribe the payment of wages by cheque or postal order or money order, in cases in which payment in this manner is customary or necessary because of special circumstances, or where collective agreements or arbitration awards so provide, or where not so provided with the consent of the worker concerned.

This provision was supported by the employers' and workers' delegates at the 1949 ILO Conference. From the time the principle was enunciated in the convention to the present initiative to have the legal position regularised here, there has been, one must admit, a long period of gestation. Indeed, before ever the Department of Labour was established some Deputies may be aware that the question of an appropriate amendment to the Truck Acts received preliminary consideration by a committee representative of the Federated Union of Employers and the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, which was set up by the Minister for Industry and Commerce in 1959.

When the committee was reconstituted in 1964, it made recommendations—along the lines of the provisions of the present Bill—which were accepted by the then Minister for Industry and Commerce. However, in the intervening years preparation and enactment of the body of other protective legislation, now on the Statute Book, took precedence over amending the Truck Acts.

I should like to mention some of the main provisions of the Bill. Under section 2, the provisions of the Bill—with the exception of sections 5 and 8 (4), to which I shall be referring later—are applied to employees covered by the Truck Acts or by the Hosiery Manufacture (Wages) Act, 1874. As was the case with the workers encompassed by the Truck Acts, the Hosiery Manufacture (Wages) Act was aimed at protecting hosiery workers, by curbing abuses in connection with the payment of wages in kind and with deductions from wages. It is, therefore, considered as legislation related to those Acts.

Section 3 enables the employer and employee—or some other person acting on the employee's behalf—to sign an agreement specifying the method by which wages are to be paid. The method will be chosen from among the list of payment instruments contained in the section. This list, which follows generally on the provisions of section 26 (6) of the Central Bank Act, 1971, includes: cheques; bank drafts; promissory notes or other documents or, for example, a credit transfer issued by a customer for the purpose of enabling a person to obtain payment from the customer's bank account; payable orders and other documents issued by a public officer for the purpose of enabling a person to obtain payment from a Government Minister; as well as cheques and other documents drawn on Trustee Savings Banks.

Following consultation with the Minister for Finance, the Minister for Labour may, by regulations, make additions to the list. In this way provision is made for flexibility with regard to the possible future establishment of new kinds of financial institutions or instruments. From the point of view of individual employers and employees involved, local circumstances will probably be the most important factor in determining the appropriate method of payment.

There is no unique formula, capable of being applied to all firms—hence the wide variety of payment instruments from which a choice can be made. But, whatever the choice, I cannot stress too highly the importance of adequate prior preparation and consultation.

Obviously, it would be desirable to cater in the Bill for circumstances where either the employer or employee, for whatever reason, wished to end an agreement about the type of payment instrument used. Section 3, therefore, provides that an agreement can be revoked in either of two ways: first, by mutual consent; and, secondly, by either party, once the specified period of written notice, which must be not less than four weeks, is given to the other party concerned.

I might also mention that existing arrangements between the employer and employee, involving any of the payment instruments referred to in this section, will if necessary, be deemed to be an agreement signed in accordance with the section and can be terminated in the same way as such an agreement. This provision will regularise the use of any payment instrument which may have been used in the past in contravention of the Truck Acts arising from the operation of the Currency Act, 1927.

Section 7 is a protective measure designed to ensure the employee's freedom from pressure or coercion where the method of payment of his wages is concerned. Towards this end, any term or condition of an agreement will be null and void if it requires a person either to sign a document agreeing to the use of a payment instrument listed in section 3, or not to terminate the use of any such instrument where it is already being used to pay wages to the employee involved.

Section 4 acknowledges the fact that, where an employee is required to work at a place other than his usual place of employment, or is absent from work by reason of illness, on leave or with the consent of his employer, he may prefer to be paid in cash. If so, he has to notify his employer in writing to that effect; otherwise, the employer will be entitled to pay him his wages by way of any of the payment instruments mentioned in section 3. The written notification to the employer about the requirement to be paid in cash will supersede any agreement that may have been signed in accordance with section 3.

Deductions are treated in the Bill in three places: first, under section 6, if the employer and employee sign an agreement about the payment of wages otherwise than in cash, the employer will be prohibited from making any deduction from any wages of the employee by reason only of the fact the wages are no longer being paid in cash but by one of the payment instruments referred to in section 3.

Secondly, the main provision about deductions, which is to be found in section 5: it is the only section in the Bill which embraces all employees, both manual and non-manual. It obliges the employer, where he makes a deduction from the employee's pay, to give the employee a written statement indicating the gross amount of the salary of wages payable and the nature and amount of the deduction or deductions. As this amounts to what will be, in effect the preparation of itemised pay statements for all employees, it is only fair that employers should be given some time in which to prepare themselves for it. The intention is, therefore, that section 5 be brought into operation by ministerial order in about a year's time.

Finally, section 8 (4) will permit the employer to make deductions from wages, to which the employee in question gives his consent, notwithstanding the terms of any statute referred to in the Bill. The purpose of this provision, which will have retrospective as well as future effect, is to resolve a certain difficulty which arose in relation to the Truck Acts and related legislation. I could elaborate further on it on Committee Stage if Deputies wished, but for the moment I will outline it briefly as follows.

The general effect of the Truck Acts is that no deductions, other than those required or permitted by statute, can lawfully be made from the wages of any worker to whom the Acts apply. Thus, many deductions, such as, for example, the recovery of overpayments of wages, or contributions to pension schemes, which might appear desirable both to employers and workers cannot lawfully be made even on a consensual basis because of the Acts. However, once this Bill has been enacted, section 8 (4) will ensure that that situation no longer obtains.

The Payment of Wages Bill, 1979, is an enabling measure. It is designed to suit people's convenience on both sides of industry. There is no element of compulsion contained in it; indeed, quite the reverse, as I have shown. It would be neither practicable nor desirable to make non-cash payment compulsory. Movement away from payment in cash will be essentially an evolutionary process, which can best be effected with the goodwill and co-operation of all concerned—employers, employees, trade unions and the various financial institutions.

The removal of the restriction on cheque payment is not a radical alteration of the law. It merely brings the present situation into line with the original intention of the Legislature and restores the pre-1927 position. However, it does end the differential in law in this matter between manual and non-manual employees, and should help to bring the payment of wages more into conformity with modern conditions.

It would be my hope that the Bill could have certain beneficial consequences from the point of view of security of payroll moneys. The House will be well aware of the spate of armed robberies which we have been experiencing, a number of which involved payrolls. Payroll cash is a tempting target for criminals. If employers and employees were to avail themselves of the right, under the Bill, to have wages paid otherwise than in cash, that should help to make it possible to narrow the range of targets for prospective armed robberies.

The legal situation at present, which I outlined earlier, has required the dispersal of considerable sums of money to various firms throughout the country for the purpose of paying wages. The necessity to do this has meant that those intent on armed robbery have been able, on a significant number of occasions, to pick and choose their target from a wide selection of large payrolls. You will appreciate the difficulty in providing security for all such targets.

I trust that this Bill could be a step in the right direction towards reducing the incidence of large cash consignments. It will provide the framework for employers and employees, if they wish, to move away from the system of payment in cash, thereby easing the security problems involved in the transport of large sums of money.

I now commend the Bill to the House and urge Deputies to give it a speedy passage.

The Payment of Wages Bill, 1979, has been long awaited especially in view of the risk to life, limb and cash that now haunts our society. It is a measure that I have been hoping for for the past 12 months. Given the threat to life and limb it would not be out of place for either the Minister for Labour or the Minister for Justice to introduce a measure to reduce such risk. It is a matter of deep regret that this Bill does nothing to protect either life or payroll. It is therefore a grave disappointment. Worse, it is an empty Bill devoid of any real positive aspects.

This Bill is a failure on two counts. It more than fails—it almost totally ignores the safety and security aspects. Moreover, the provisions it does make seek to express in law what has already been achieved through voluntary agreement between management and labour throughout industry, with one extraordinary and negative exception, that is, the provision that any term or condition of an agreement requiring employees to accept wages by cheque is null and void. Apart from that very negative position this Bill, in my view, is as meaningless as the day is long, even though I understand it has the approval of ICTU.

I sincerely believe that, unless it is substantially amended, it should be withdrawn in order that it will not waste the time of Parliament. As it stands, it only serves to worsen the present situation. It perpetuates the existing state of affairs, which can only be called a pay robbers' charter. In the last part of his speech the Minister referred to this state of affairs.

The negative provision to which I have already referred not only prohibits any future employer-employee agreement from having a condition making payment of wages by cheque or other non-cash mode compulsory, but renders all such previously agreed terms or conditions null and void, even where they formed part of a productivity deal. That provision is negative. Not only does it subvert agreements reached but leaves employers open to the necessity of running two concurrent types of wage payment and one individual or a small group can subvert the established or agreed practice. Payroll robberies are commonplace and sometimes lead even to murder and this provision is the height of folly, yet it is the only meaningful provision in the Bill. Therefore, better it die a quick death than be enacted unamended by Parliament.

The Bill appears to seek to meet the workers' rights by making it easier for them to insist on payment by cash. The House will know of my very strong support for workers' rights in all aspects of their employment. The aspiration to meet the rights of workers is good but the diagnosis of the problem, if there is such, is bad. It would not be a major problem to pay most workers by cheque or by some means other than cash.

There are four main problems in the area of the payment of wages. The problem which is uppermost in the minds of most people is the safety of the personnel handling the cash. This Bill makes no reference to this serious problem, though I presume it was the main reason for the introduction of this amending legislation. The problem is ignored and will remain unaffected by the Bill. It does not contain any proposals to increase the safety of personnel handling cash, though the Minister admitted that this is a major problem.

The second problem is the security of the payroll. This problem will not be in any way affected by the provisions of the Bill, yet millions are stolen every year and thousands every week. For what purpose? Some of this money is stolen in the course of ordinary crime and some of it used for violent purposes.

One of the tragic spill-over effects of the violence in Northern Ireland is that robberies are now everyday occurrences, often involving personal injury. The Bill does nothing to remedy that dreadful situation.

The third problem is quite different. Some workers could have difficulty in cashing cheques, especially where banking or cashing facilities are not reasonably adjacent to places of employment. I have already drafted a substantial amendment on this point to make changes in the Bill to cover, protect and convenience workers who accept payment by cheque, so that the Minister may by regulation provide that cashing facilities are available within a reasonable distance. The Bill does not even refer to this problem.

The fourth problem relates to bank charges which may be involuntarily incurred by employees who are paid by cheque. I propose to table amendments to provide that expenses involuntarily incurred by workers should be recoupable from the employers. If the wages of the employees are paid directly into banks, they could have to pay bank charges.

Not one of the four problems I have mentioned is tackled by the Bill. The Minister must have started out with good intentions but for some reason he has been diverted from his task. As it stands, the Bill is really without purpose. It will not affect in any way, except in the one negative way I have mentioned, the situation in relation to payment of workers by cheque or other non-cash mode. Accordingly, I intend to introduce several substantial amendments which, I hope, will improve the Bill, diminish risks to persons and payrolls, compensate workers in an alternative way for any cost involved and protect them against unreasonable inconvenience in cashing cheques, even if there is a bank strike. Even these provisions would go only some way towards improving the situation.

It is to be hoped that the way will soon be paved for an acceptance that all wages and salaries should be paid by cheque or similar mode, except in very special circumstances. It is my view that the dictates of safety, security and commonsense overrule almost all considerations. This Bill pussyfoots with life. That is a regrettable and intolerable state of affairs and we on this side of the House have no choice but to oppose the Bill as it stands.

It is quite apparent that this enabling Bill is long overdue. At this stage I support the Bill. I am not entirely happy that the provisions in the Bill are adequate to cover all aspects of the problems in relation to payment of wages, and on Committee Stage I will have substantial amendments to try to ensure that we will get a Bill in keeping with modern social problems.

The overriding factor which necessitates legislation of this kind is the increasing continuing spate of robberies of banks and post offices. It has become necessary to safeguard the movement of cash throughout the country and as far as possible to eliminate the need for such cash movements. We must try to protect the interests not only of workers but of employers. We are talking about matters which are extremely personal to shop floor workers as well as to employers and I am afraid that the Bill does not meet the requirements of that situation fully.

For instance, the Minister must try to ensure that not only in the larger centres but throughout the country there will be adequate facilities to cater for workers who in future will be paid by instruments other than cash. The Minister will have to see to it that there will be adequate banking facilities to cater for the industrial workers so that their weekly cheques can be cashed with the minimum of hardship.

Coming from a rural area where everybody knows everybody else's business, I appreciate that we must see to it that there is discretion so that the worker will have the maximum amount of confidentiality. The Bill has been necessitated by the deteriorating situation in the country and we therefore support it, but on Committee Stage, as I have said, I will table some amendments to ensure that the Bill will leave the House an instrument worthy of its name.

I hope the Minister will see fit to accept those amendments which will be for the benefit of the workers.

I welcome the Bill and I suggest that the House should commend the Minister for introducing it. It will streamline the method of payment of wages. The amounts of cash handled by some of the larger employers are considerable and are quite cumbersome to move. It has become unfair to persons in wages sections to have the onus and responsibility of handling such large amounts of cash, which in the recent past led to serious situations.

The Bill proposes to update legislation of this kind from 1831 to 1896. Among the Acts referred to is the Hosiery Manufacture (Wages) Act of 1874 when workers could be paid in materials instead of currency. That is obviously out of date. This Bill is workable, but what the Labour Party are asking for might not be practicable or possible to implement. Ideally one would like to have a situation in which all circumstances could be catered for, and the Minister has introduced a Bill which we think will be practicable and workable.

I would urge workers and employers to make common use of the instruments of payment which the Minister proposes to introduce to this Bill and I should like to think that through negotiation and discussion there will be a clear understanding as to the working of the legislation so that we will not have situations arising, as happened in the case of a meat processing plant after a major robbery, when workers will seek time off to go to the banks, thus causing other problems. It will be necessary for the banks to support this legislation fully although it will throw on them responsibility to meet large scale demands in short periods of time. In future they will have to co-operate with large numbers of people who will be paid by cheque.

There will be side benefits for workers through the re-arrangement of their financial systems. It may encourage saving. It will bring a lot of people into contact with banking institutions which could mean participation in a number of financial benefits. They could turn this new situation of involvement with banking organisations to their advantage.

The Bill is concerned with the use of instruments of payment other than cash while making sure that there will not be exploitation of workers. The removal of the necessity to pay in cash will minimise the amount of cash exposed to the risk of theft.

We hope the number of robberies, particularly armed robberies, which are currently a major cause of concern will recede. It would allow the Garda to put their full resources into other important matters. Far too many members of the force are occupied in guarding the movement of funds. Our Defence Forces have had to be brought into this area, and it is hoped that the demands on these forces and services will be reduced. We would like to have our gardai involved in the everyday activities of law and order and the other necessary functions which the force have to carry out. The chaperoning of large quantities of money is something that this Bill will help to eliminate. It should also reduce armed robberies. Certain very small numbers within the community have been prepared to go to great lengths to carry out armed robberies and the consequences in injuries and even death have been serious.

The Minister, in recognising the need for action in this area, has put before the House a Bill which can be put into practice in a short time. It should achieve the desired results without placing workers in the position of exposing themselves to dangers. Many people working in industrial estates have to travel quite a distance to their places of residence and consequently large sums of money are being carried long distances and the people are put at risk. A number of my constituents have asked me why we could not move in this area. There are a number of large firms in my constituency with very large wage bills.

I support the Minister in the Bill.

As I said at the outset, the object of the Truck Acts is to require the payment of wages in full in ready money without conditions as to how or where the money may be spent. The legislation before the House is amending the Truck Acts; it is not repealing them and it would be unwise to do so. Some of the points made by Opposition speakers seem to disregard the central purpose of this Bill. The Bill is not concerned with some of the matters raised by Deputy Mitchell. He referred to the personnel handling cash and the security of payrolls. That is, of course, a serious matter also, and I remind the House that I said at the opening that this legislation could have a consequential and beneficial effect in this regard. The purpose of this Bill is to enable manual workers to be paid by cheque, which has not been legal since the Currency Act, 1927, was passed. I added that I hoped that beneficial results would accrue to the personnel and I referred to the safety precautions that we all desire.

Deputy Mitchell referred to the problems that workers have in cashing cheques when there is no bank near their place of work or in the event of a bank strike. Regarding a possible bank strike, there is adequate coverage of that eventuality in section 3 of the Bill, which provides that the agreement about being paid by cheque may be revoked in order that the worker may be able to obtain his money through whatever temporary arrangements are made. The extension of banking facilities has been substantial in recent years, and it would be unwise not to give the option to both sides of industry, especially to the worker, who in many cases may be inconvenienced or have an impossible situation created for him by the compulsion to pay in cheque. I would hope that payment by cheque would evolve as an agreement rather than by compulsion.

Deputy Mitchell referred also to the possibility of bank charges being borne by workers. I refer him to section 6 of the Bill, which makes adequate provision for catering for any deductions, including bank charges. The employer is prohibited from making any deductions from any wages of the employee by reason only of the fact that the wages are not being paid in cash, and this prohibition extends to any bank charges.

Deputy Ryan referred to the difficulties of facilities being available in small areas. The enabling measure before the House takes cognisance of that. Despite the revolution that has taken place in the legal, social and economic strata of society for even unskilled workers since the legislation we have been talking about was enacted, some form of protection is still needed, and for that reason it is imperative that options be available under this Bill. Although designed for worker protection, provisions in the existing law are now sometimes against the interests of workers, and if they have not caused much difficulty up to the present this is partly due to their having being ignored.

All in all, this legislation, with the enabling provisions that it introduces and the very useful introduction of reductions that were not legal up to now, is to the advantage of both employers and employees. I commend the Bill to the House for urgent passage.

Question put and declared carried.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 21 March 1979.
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