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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 17 Jul 1979

Vol. 315 No. 16

Tourist Traffic Bill, 1979: Second Stage (resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I will be brief on this Bill. I support it. However, I must criticise the Minister for not including in the Bill, or indicating in his speech introducing the Bill, any provision to salvage the present disastrous tourist trade. At the start of 1979 it appeared that we were heading for a record year in tourism. Then the difficulties started with the post and telegraphs dispute, the petrol problem and adverse publicity abroad, and our tourism for the current year is suffering a marked setback. It is the function of a Government—indeed the Minister is responsible—to show imagination and vision in tackling problems of that nature and endeavouring to find solutions to them. What we have before the House at the moment is a Bill which will help the tourist industry in the future, but it will not do one iota for tourism in 1979.

I have three suggestions to make to the Minister and I ask him to consider them as being as constructive as possible from this side of the House and not given in any destructive sense. In order to salvage the tourist industry for the current year the Minister should do the following: (1) diversify and improve the distribution of the petrol coupon system, (2) provide a foundation for a blitz publicity campaign at home and abroad, and (3) give an assurance and guarantee to those involved in the tourist business who are suffering losses in this current year so as to encourage them to face the future with some optimism. Generally the tourist industry has an immense impact on the economy of this nation and employs, directly and indirectly, approximately 100,000 people and could generate an income for this nation of hundreds of millions of pounds.

In regard to this Bill, obviously we must make plans for the future. It is important for the Minister and the House to remember that when building for the future one must build on firm foundations. The first and most immediate job is to make the foundations for 1979 firm. I have noticed in the past that when suggestions have been made by Opposition speakers the response has been that the Opposition speakers are sabotaging the industry. That is a very unworthy suggestion. The Minister should not be looking at contributions from the Opposition in that way. I come from a very important tourist area in the country. Other people who have contributed to this debate, even though they may not live in areas which are important to the industry, have spoken with a genuine commitment as Irishmen attempting to provide suggestions to improve our tourist industry.

I hope the Minister will consider the three points I have made. The idea of the petrol vouchers was a good one originally and I commend the originator of the idea but the execution of the idea has not been perfect. It was a new scheme but the reaction to the difficulties as they became evident has not been quick enough. There has not been enough thinking put into improving the scheme to make it as effective as it might be. I asked the Minister at the end of June to extend the scheme to Northern Ireland. He said then it would be impossible to do so but I am very glad that within a week he accepted my suggestion. I am not here to blow my trumpet about it, as I am sure other people also suggested it to him. That is the kind of quick response I would expect from a Minister for Tourism.

Considerable difficulties are being experienced in relation to the petrol vouchers because the distribution is not wide enough. I know the problems of tourists in West Cork who have to travel up to one hundred miles to get vouchers. People who have neglected to get vouchers on coming into the country, those who are getting a second supply after the nine-day period has elapsed and tourists who are hiring self-drive cars have to travel long distances to get petrol vouchers. A person who hires a self-drive car in Skibbereen has to travel over one hundred miles to get his vouchers. Is there a better way of putting that person off hiring a car and having a touring holiday? Is there a better way of wasting a scarce resource?

I have been told that in the whole area of Connacht there are only two distribution centres, one in Galway and one in Sligo. When I was young I used to holiday in Achill. Is it not a ridiculous situation that a tourist who hires a car there has to travel a return journey of one hundred miles to collect his petrol vouchers? I strongly urge the Minister to take immediate steps to widen the distribution of those vouchers, which I understand is confined to the ports and the head offices of the regional tourist organisations. There is a network of offices through the country. It would be a great reassurance to tourists who are already here and to those they will be in contact with after they return home if this was done. It would not cost anything to extend this scheme to all the tourist offices through the country.

The second point I suggested to the Minister was a propaganda campaign. I commend him for travelling to the UK and having a conference there. I am worried about the follow through. The Minister should make funds available to follow up that type of effort at home and in the UK. He is well aware that a single shot fired in the publicity business has a limited effect. There has to be a follow through. I strongly urge the Minister to map out a publicity campaign and to provide the funds for it.

The third suggestion I made was a guarantee to the people in the tourist industry who are suffering losses at the moment. Many of those people have expanded their premises and have invested a considerable amount of money in the expectation that this would be a record year. They are now feeling the pinch and must be protected. The people who are doing development work by stages must be encouraged to continue this work and must be given help to stay in the business. There may be other suggestions that can be made but I wanted to put to the Minister suggestions which I believe highlight the importance of having a rescue operation for the tourist industry in the current year and bringing home to him that while we all wish to see the tourist business developing in the years ahead, this year is the first priority. I support the Bill and the Minister's plans in the years ahead, but I strongly urge him to do everything possible to rescue the 1979 tourist year.

This is one of the nicer Bills we get an opportunity of discussing. I welcome all aspects in the Bill, extra money for additional rooms in hotels and guesthouses and extra money for additional amenities around the country. It is obvious that there is a great shortfall of hotel accommodation and goodclass guesthouse accommodation in the country. Those of us who have to stay regularly in Dublin can assert that Dublin lacks sufficient bedrooms. Every incentive should be given to ensure that there is a great increase in the number of bedrooms available. Many people are trying to improve matters in that direction but I believe their efforts will barely keep in line with the demands. The Minister and Bord Fáilte should ensure that our tourist industry does not suffer because of the lack of such a basic commodity.

Last year, when we were discussing the rates remission legislation, I considered it a serious disincentive to the provision of extra bedrooms in registered guesthouses that these establishments were not also being exempted from rates. Though there were a number of amendments tabled by this party in this regard the Minister for the Environment did not accept them. The people who own these guesthouses are making a valuable contribution to the tourist industry and, consequently, one might have expected them to have been included for the purpose of rates remission. The exemption was allowed in the case of unregistered guesthouses and farmhouse accommodation. While the standard of accommodation the latter categories provide may not be as high as the standard which prevails in the registered guesthouses, they are making similar profits and are not taxed in the way that the registered guesthouses are taxed.

I agree totally with the provision of extra money for the improvement of facilities. I appreciate the demands for additional moneys with which the Minister for Finance must cope, but the industry concerned in this instance is very important in terms of the revenue it creates for the economy as a whole, perhaps even greater revenue than is created by any other industry with the exception of agriculture. Tourists are coming here in large numbers and there is a tremendous increase in the number of continental visitors. The Dutch, the Germans and the French perhaps to a lesser extent are visiting my part of the country in ever-increasing numbers. We must cater for these people. They are not seeking a Brighton- or a Blackpool-type holiday or even the Tramore- or Salthilltype holiday. They are looking for the secluded beaches and coves and the quiet way of life and it is for us to ensure that there is access to those secluded spots. However, it is no exaggeration to say that half of our beaches and coves are inaccessible because there are not access roads or lanes to them. In order to reach some of them it would be necessary to climb down cliffs.

Boating harbours are a very necessary facility but far too many of the possible locations of such harbours are not usable because it would not be possible to keep boats at them. Money spent on the provision of camping sites, access roads, boat harbours and so on is money very well spent. However, there is a lack of private initiative in areas where there is much potential. We do not seem to have the type of business acumen that one finds among other races. We know of the opportunities there are for making money in such areas as intensive farming or perhaps the liquor trade, but a camping site might be regarded nowadays as something of a goldmine. Unfortunately, not sufficient Irish people see the potential of such development. Bord Fáilte should be empowered where necessary to provide camping sites or, if necessary, to give the money required to the relevant local authority.

An example of how necessary is such development is the situation of a fine harbour in my constituency to which huge numbers of tourists flock in the hope of camping there but who find that they are summonsed for illegal parking. There is no legitimate car parking or camping in the area. The result is that what should be a booming industry is negligible because people must drive 15 or 20 miles from the most convenient car park or camping site to reach the harbour. Obviously, therefore, there is need for a more planned and co-ordinated system. Of course, not all tourists use cars. Many continentals in particular travel by bicycle, but we should have basic camping sites for them, sites on which there are at least toilet facilities and running water. It is in respect of the provision of such facilities that the regional tourists organisations and the local authorities can be of help in regard to the money the Minister is providing.

A matter I have raised in a number of places but to which I have never received a satisfactory reply relates to the obliteration either in toto or in part of some of our most scenic views as a result of the growing of State forests. I have put questions in this regard to the planning department of my own county council. The reason for a person not being allowed build a house between a public road and a scenic view is obvious but why should a State Department —the Department of Fisheries and Forestry—be allowed plant trees anywhere without restriction? They are doing this all over the country in terms of the plantation of hundreds of new forests. The most beautiful scenery consists of a combination of water, mountain and trees but what is happening here is that one of these attributes is cancelling the other two. Is there any co-ordination between the Departments concerned to ensure that any one Department is not destroying either the beauty created by another or the natural beauty of an area?

If we are to improve our tourist industry we must provide a sufficient standard of service for tourists and for our own people who holiday in different parts of the country. The standard of service is slipshod. Our system of education is not designed to encourage basic manners in terms of the ordinary everyday pleasantries. Tourists, like ourselves, are influenced by the mood of people. Unfortunately, the attitude of many of our shop assistants, waitresses and people in the services industry generally is "Take it or leave it". One finds a much superior standard of manners in countries such as Switzerland, Germany and Spain. Good manners do not cost anything but they are very important. We must start with our young people if we are to change the situation. At the moment far too many people have an insulting attitude. I am referring to a minority. I do not want all the shopkeepers and their assistants to come down on top of me like a ton of bricks because I am not making a general reference. I am saying this type of slipshod service is too prevalent and it must be very off-putting to people who are spending their money here and, by doing so, doing us a great service.

Our standards of hygiene leave much to be desired. That has been said time and again but I see no improvement. Some years ago EEC regulations were introduced stating that certain foodstuffs should not be handled in shops. You will still see the shop assistant who has been licking his or her fingers, or handling something which is not clean, picking up cold meat, or vegetables, or fruit and selling them to a customer. That type of activity must be stopped. I wonder what are the health inspectors employed by our health boards doing. This should be their concern, but they do not seem to be concerned about it. I have not seen any prosecutions——

The Deputy is admitting that he is getting into the field of health rather than tourism.

He is going well.

The Leas-Cheann Comhairle is like a Cork hurling team. When the opposition are going well they start putting the ball over the sideline. I will not dwell on the point. Our standard of hygiene is not what it should be. It falls short of EEC regulations. Since we are having such a tremendous influx of continental visitors who must be disgusted at the low standard of hygiene prevailing here, I hope the Minister will ensure, in consultation with the Minister for Health, that the position is improved.

We all know the scandalous state of litter and filth we have here. We did not earn the name of the dirty Irish for nothing. Despite all the advertising campaigns, pleas by junior chambers of commerce and essay competitions in schools, the position has not improved. Litter is increasing instead of decreasing. We had a major campaign lately. I have seen school children wearing badges saying: "Stop throwing litter." That campaign will fail. We had numerous campaigns in the past ten to 20 years. There is only one way to solve the litter problem and to stop it from escalating, and that is to enforce the law. There are laws under which people can be prosecuted, but I have not seen one person being prosecuted for littering.

About four weeks ago I was driving up to Dublin and we got caught in the traffic in Callan in County Kilkenny. The driver in front of me emptied the refuse in his car out through the side window; cigarette packets, cores of apples and orange skins were thrown onto the public street. This is a disgusting sight. People like that are not doing any service to us as a nation.

Our tourist industry is our second largest industry. It has a fantastic potential, despite all the obstacles put in our way, such as the interview on BBC television referred to at Question Time with the IRA man who blew up Airey Neave. That does us immense damage on the British market. We know what the British Foreign Office and the British papers are capable of—they are capable of anything. They go into the gutter at will to run us down. They have no love for us. We must have promotional drives to safeguard ourselves. We must be diplomatic and a bit conniving in our counter attacks and in our counter propaganda. We do not wish to attack the British. They are no enemies of ours. They have always been our best customers in tourism and when it comes to buying our products. They are very welcome here and we would see to it that they are invited to come here in the nicest way possible.

If the statistics I have seen are correct, last year 180,000 Irish people went abroad for their holidays. That is quite a large number for such a small country. It adds up to quite a high percentage. These people must feel they are not getting value for their money at home. Obviously a certain number of people would have the urge to travel, but that figure is extremely high. They must feel they are getting better value in Spain, or elsewhere, and they do not see Ireland as being such a pleasant alternative. We should concentrate on the idea of home holidays which was promoted three or four years ago. I hope the Minister will bear in mind some of the points I have raised.

I will not detain the House very long. I welcome the Bill and compliment the Minister on his initiative in introducing it. I hope there will not be too much red tape attached to these grants. It is almost impossible for people down the country to get a grant from Bord Fáilte. They send down inspectors week in and week out, but the money is not forthcoming. The Minister might have a chat with all the inspectors Bord Fáilte seem to have and tell them that, when the job is completed and up to standard, people should get their money.

Deputy Deasy touched on a few very good points. The way our local authorities neglect our beaches is a scandal. County councils do not take much notice of Bord Fáilte, but the Minister and his Department should notify local authorities that they have a statutory obligation to clean the beaches. Too often oil from passing ships, dead animals and plastic containers are left lying on beautiful beaches for months before they are taken away. The local authorities seem to be neglecting our beaches, and that is a disgrace. If the Minister put the boot into the local authorities in a good Kerry fashion he would be doing a good day's work.

The petrol coupon scheme may be working in some areas, but there are difficulties. The Minister might consider providing more centres. If people forget their coupons they have to go back to one of the main centres to collect them. That is ridiculous. There should be give and take, especially so far as the coastal areas are concerned, and particularly areas like Dingle, Caherciveen, Waterville and Kenmare. If a person leaves an area and has a limited supply of petrol only, he will not go back to that area again. During the month of August the Minister might consider giving a limited number of coupons to the different recognised tourist offices in the small towns around the coast.

I am amazed at the way the Department of Posts and Telegraphs treat these small offices. Since the postal strike the telephone in the Dingle tourist office was out of order for 14 days before anybody came to fix it. Despite representations made by many people, nothing was done. This type of thing should not be allowed to happen.

Amenities are important to tourism. In my county a number of people keep horses and ponies for hire to tourists during the summer. As it is expensive to keep horses and ponies during the winter months, Bord Fáilte should give grants towards their upkeep. I have made this point time and time again to the Minister.

Bord Fáilte have alienated themselves in certain ways from local authorities, which is unfortunate. Too often they object to planning applications without seeing the areas involved. Members of local authorities and Members of the House know the value of our heritage. The Minister should tell Bord Fáilte to be more discerning in their objections. The giving of planning permission by a county manager or county planning officer should be good enough for everybody, including Bord Fáilte. I would not like to see Bord Fáilte being used as An Taisce are being used at present. An Taisce are used by persons who have no hesitation in going for a section 4 in order to get planning permission. An Taisce do not object to the applications because the persons involved hold prominent positions in An Taisce. I hope that the same sort of thing is not happening in Bord Fáilte.

The Minister should consider giving a subsidy to all English and continental tourists.

We are very wide of the Bill now, Deputy.

The Minister should subsidise the travel costs of each family by at least £20. It would cost a family £125 to travel from Wales. The subsidy would entice more people to come here.

They should get a subsidy to come to County Wexford.

The Kerry people go to Wexford.

Try to get back to the Bill for a little while, Deputy. Kerry and Wexford are not the only two counties in Ireland.

There is the county of Cork. West Cork is an important part of my constituency.

The cost of accommodation and meals should be more competitive. I believe that some hotels are charging £38 for bed and breakfast. Hotels receiving grants from Bord Fáilte should limit their charges. I believe that we are in danger of pricing ourselves out of the market. Bord Fáilte should have more control of the licensing of hotels and guesthouses.

Most persons who hire horse-drawn caravans never see a horse until they arrive here. The sooner licensing is introduced in this area the better. There have already been tragedies involving horse-drawn caravans. There is the old story of the couple who came to Ireland and hired a horse-drawn caravan. The following morning they met someone who asked them how they had slept. The reply was "We did not sleep at all; the horse kept moving around all night". They did not even take the horse from under the caravan. That is a true story. The situation is so bad that either the Minister for the Environment or Bord Fáilte should do something about it. It is ridiculous to see eight horse-drawn caravans travelling in convoy with 30 cars trying to pass them out. It would be sensible to leave a distance between each caravan. People who hire horse-drawn caravans should be given some training before they are let out on the road. I know what I am talking about as I have experience of travelling those roads.

The tourists in my area this year are mainly from the continent. Many of them travelled to the south-west by CIE. Most of the carriages being used by CIE are disgraceful and the Minister should ask CIE to update their carriages and to keep them clean. The use of old and dirty carriages gives visitors a bad impression.

They are now so old that they are part of the attraction.

The Minister should take a trip to Heuston Station to see the filthy conditions. The first half mile of track from Heuston is very dirty and the Minister should ask the authorities to clean it up.

Finally I wish the Minister well. I hope that as far as the grants are concerned the Minister will not be too strict because I have met so many people who were disappointed by Bord Fáilte. I do not know whether is was a misunderstanding on their part or a deliberate misunderstanding by Bord Fáilte. Certainly in that area a better public relations system is needed than exists at present.

I was not here when the Second Stage was moved but I want to confine my remarks to what was actually said during the Minister of State's contribution. I specifically want to deal with the section relating to the new scheme of grants for hotel accommodation. I should state at the outset that as an architect in practice and dealing with a number of hotel operators I have direct experience and consequently some kind of indirect interest. I would declare that first and foremost.

I want first of all to welcome the fact that this new grant scheme has been proposed, because it is necessary. I also want to identify some possible difficulties which will arise as a result of its implementation if these principles are detailed and fleshed out in full by Bord Fáilte and—and this is the essence of my contribution—there is not essential consultation with the Department of the Environment and the local authorities in major conurbations to which the Minister's speech refers. The Minister of State said in column 1686 of 4 July:

The main features of the new scheme are as follows:—

(a) it is framed on a selective basis so that it will represent a correct response to our needs;

(b) it is related solely to the cost of providing additional bedrooms;

(c) there will be different levels of grant related roughly to estimated need with grants from 25 per cent to 35 per cent of room cost subject to fixed cash maxima;

(d) priority will be given to the extension of existing hotels over the construction of new hotels, and new hotel construction in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, Shannon, Killarney and other major conurbations with a substantial tourism/ business base will not qualify for grants.

The proposal to introduce a new grant scheme to provide extra bed space for the tourist industry and confine it to existing operators is a reasonable one. I do not think anybody in the industry would argue with that in the light of our experience in the mid 1960s of building new hotels from scratch and trying to staff up the seasonal labour with limited management expertise, although CERT have bridged the gap there quite considerably since that time. Our experience with the crash in tourism in 1969 and 1970 makes this particular strategy a very acceptable one and a reasonable one so far as the hotel industry is concerned. Therefore to confine it to existing operators who have their heads above water and who are attempting to recoup their losses as a result of some of the bad years certainly makes sense.

My concern, however, is that certain hotel operators in existing built-up areas throughout the country, by definition of the age of the hotel and its physical location on the ground in the town or city that it occupies, would be physically constrained from expanding by providing extra bedroom space given normal planning constraints. If this is a Government policy that is to be pursued logically and persistently, then the local authorities and the planning departments of the local authorities should at least be made officially and formally aware of the Government's intended strategy.

It is quite conceivable that a small hotel operator in Deputy Hegarty's area of Cork may apply for permission to extend and be told by the local planning officer that that area of the town is already congested and that extra bedroom space is going to produce car parking requirements and would he not move out of town where there is plenty of space and room to build a new hotel because that might fit in with the five-year development plan of that local authority. The operator would say that he would not qualify for a grant if he builds a new hotel and is therefore not interested because he cannot finance the project, certainly on the basis of interest rates at the moment, without some degree of assistance since there will be no assistance for anything other than bedrooms in the first place. Grants for new hotels do not exist and therefore the financing would not have been on. So it is conceivable that the legitimate and reasonable planning constraints taken on their own, if they do not have regard to this Government strategy, may make it extremely difficult or delay the process of finally getting permission from an Bord Pleanála for the implementation of this strategy.

I formally request the Minister to consider how best he can advise the local planning authorities of the Government's policy in this area. I use the word "advise" because the Minister cannot direct the local planning authorities to move in this area and he cannot tell them to grant planning permission but if a planning committee and the planning officials are aware of this Government policy it is going to make their job a little bit easier and it will make the implementation of this scheme easier. That would apply throughout the entire country in varying degrees depending on how strict or how built up the area was in which the applicant or hotelier might be located.

The second point relates to item (d) of the four points made by the Minister in his contribution. That relates to the exclusion from grants of Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, Shannon and Killarney. There are two points in that section. Priority is given generally to existing hotels with the exclusion of the ones that I have mentioned. The fact is that Dublin, by virtue of its role as capital city, and Cork as a major and expanding city in a very dynamic part of the country economically, suffer a shortfall of bed space which has got as much to do with the business activity of those cities as with tourism. Certainly the Minister's colleagues in the Department of Industry, Commerce and Energy will testify to the fact that there are difficulties in getting bedroom accommodation for visiting businessmen or people of one kind or another who come to Dublin or Cork to do business and not necessarily as tourists.

That fact should be recognised in this because hoteliers are not going to expand unless sufficient encouragement is given to them through Bord Fáilte. I know we are talking about a tourist traffic Bill and therefore accommodating the business needs of major expanding cities like Dublin or Cork would not necessarily come into this category. But if we are talking about hotels here and about improving the standards of hotels and meeting the need for hotels according to the Green Paper strategy to which the Minister's speech refers, then, in reality, we are talking about Bord Fáilte who are directly responsible to the Minister.

I would simply ask the Minister when he is discussing with Bord Fáilte the details of the scheme to which he refers to bear that fact in mind as well. This shortfall of bed space in Dublin has something to do with tourism, but on top of that it has something to do with the development of Dublin, and we are going to see it in real terms after the summer period when this country is in the full flight of its Presidency of the EEC between now and December 31.

When the summit takes place here in November obtaining bedroom accommodation in Dublin will be impossible in the last couple of days for people who come in and out and want to do so fairly quickly. If it is difficult and if people are obliged to take substandard accommodation the whole tourist image will suffer. I am drawing the Minister's attention to the matter of the provision of extra bedroom accommodation and asking him to have that in mind in his discussions with Bord Fáilte.

I should like to stress that as far as we are concerned tourism and the environment are very much integrated and the provision of bed space throughout the country and in the larger urban areas through which most tourists must pass before they get to Deputy Begley's horse drawn caravans is very important. They come in through Rosslare or somewhere else and, fortunately for people other than Kerry people, they spend some money in other parts of the country on their way there and back and they need bedroom accommodation. In order to make this scheme work there should be some communication of a formal nature between the Department and the local authorities regarding provision of extra bedroom accommodation. There are and will be difficulties in the expansion of existing hotels which will not be given the benefit of the doubt by a planning authority because of overall planning constraints. Conceivably, they could be given such benefit it the planning authority which wants to do the best thing for the country feels there is a Government strategy which has the support of the majority of the Oireachtas and which is being given effect to by not inconsiderable sums of money. It would be tragic if the strategy behind this Bill, the taxation taken up in the next budget which will be collected whether it is spent or not, cannot be as effective as the Minister would wish because of a misunderstanding or lack of understanding of this tourism strategy in terms of hotel accommodation by various planning departments around the country.

I appreciate what I feel has been a worthwhile discussion on the Bill. It underlines the fact that Deputies could appreciate the vital importance of the tourist industry to the economy. Before replying to specific points I wish to emphasise again that this Bill is a declaration of the Government's confidence in the industry and in its future. The industry has been faced with problem after problem in the past year but with the quick and effective assistance which the State and Bord Fáilte have provided it has already rallied. I am re-inforced in my confidence by the overwhelming interest in Ireland which was shown during my recent promotional visit to Britain, Germany and the Netherlands. There is a very strong likelihood that in the case of the latter two countries we shall improve on our 1978 performance. It will be a tougher job in Britain but Bord Fáilte are engaged in an all-out effort in that market and in Northern Ireland and in the home market and there is every reason to hope we may yet attain overall equality with 1978 figures, which were a record. With this confidence and with the peak period only now beginning I see a profound need for an attitude which will inspire the industry in its efforts to secure a turnabout on the problems which faced it in May and June.

It is no help and is damaging to tourism to speak of disaster at every turn. We could have no better example of such damage than the BBC television programme mentioned in the debate on the previous occasion when this matter was before the Dáil. In view of the criticism of the earlier BBC broadcast I might in fairness record that on last Monday week, I think, BBC Northern Ireland produced a feature on tourism in this part of the country which was very fair and balanced and which I think would encourage people from the North to come here on holidays.

It is even worse to belittle or disparage without foundation the efforts being made to deal with the difficulties which tourism has been and is facing. It is on these criticisms that attention will be focussed and adverse publicity abroad generated. The tourist industry needs a positive approach to its problems which the Government along with Bord Fáilte have always offered. The situation is not as gloomy as many people would have us believe. I accept that the original expectations for this year are not likely to be reached and that some areas and sectors will not do as well as they did last year. But, putting the matter in perspective, we should remember that last year was our best year ever, so that if we attain or even approach last year's level, considering the variety of problems we face this year, that will be an achievement in itself.

With the fairly quick resumption of normal postal services and the special promotional measures being taken I am confident that the situation can be turned about and that the achievements of 1978 are rational targets for 1979. The introduction of the petrol voucher scheme for overseas and Northern Ireland tourists and the extra efforts Bord Fáilte have made to reassure motoring tourists, particularly in the UK, are beginning to have effect and traffic has begun to pick up again.

Deputy O'Keeffe referred to the Northern Ireland situation. When he raised the matter here I felt and still feel that the organisational aspect of that is very difficult. Nevertheless, having reconsidered it, I decided that I would adopt it. I regret that some sectors have been very hard hit especially those in the non-STD areas but I think it is also true that the reports of setbacks in particular areas or sectors do not make for a good assessment of the overall situation. To recover the ground lost the co-operation of all sectors that serve the industry is necessary. In this regard I am very concerned about the unofficial action by the oil company employees. I hope this will soon be ended so as not to undo the good results of the measures already taken.

Deputy Barry said that the Bill in effect is the right response to the wrong problem and that what is needed now is a massive injection of extra funds to enable Bord Fáilte to mount new promotional campaigns. The same point, I think, was made today by Deputy O'Keeffe. We need to intensify our promotional efforts and we have been doing so where it is most needed. In the past few weeks Bord Fáilte spent or committed £330,000 over and above their budgeted figures in the UK alone in getting the message across that we are still very much open for business. I am sure Deputies are also aware that Bord Fáilte have launched a campaign aimed at home holidays and the Northern Ireland market which Deputy Hegarty acknowledged are of considerable importance to us.

Bord Fáilte have a budget allocation of over £12 million, which is no mean sum, for promotion and marketing. The question of increasing that amount does not call for legislation. I assure Deputies that there is no question of the present promotional efforts being inhibited by any inadequacy of funds.

The situation in the United States market remains reasonably satisfactory considering all that has occurred, including events in the Us itself. Since the beginning of the year Americans have been reluctant to travel abroad, mainly on cost grounds, and this has affected all destinations as I discovered on my promotional tour. It affects Britain, Germany and Holland as well as Ireland. Problems of petrol supply in North America have contributed to this reluctance. Nevertheless, we hope that the US market will hold and that we will maintain or get at least close to last year's levels.

Now that we are coming to the peak season, the most pressing need is for an all out effort to encourage tourists to travel to Ireland. During my promotional trip in Britain, the Netherlands and Germany I spoke to the press, radio, television, travel and transport trades and representatives of the Irish community, and gave them the assurance that Ireland is the place this year for holidays. This trip which I took was keyed into a major new campaign which Bord Fáilte and the carriers have launched to capture traffic for the peak months. If we can turn things round during this critical period, last year's record levels are still attainable.

I should like to comment on press reports relating to British Rail advising people not to come to Ireland. This was raised by Deputy Barry. The reports do not represent the true picture. One statement made by a junior staff member without authority and out of line with his company's policy has been made an occasion for further alarm and weakening of confidence in the tourist industry here. The question was immediately taken up with British Rail. The remark was most unfortunate and does not do us any good, but it is totally out of keeping with British Rail policy on tourism in Ireland. British Rail demonstrated their full commitment to tourism in Ireland when they put the £20 million St. Columba on the Dún Laoghaire route in 1977. They will have a further vessel in the next year or two. I have a copy of a letter which the manager in the Republic of Ireland sent to the editor of The Cork Examiner on 6 July which states:

Our publicity programme for the development of our Republic of Ireland business will cost us in the region of £¾ million this year and I feel that such expenditure should be ample proof of our full commitment to the development of tourism in this country.

As regards the new scheme which the raising of the statutory limits heralds, I should make it clear that the sums made available under the Bill will be capital moneys and will be in addition to the current budget which Bord Fáilte get for promotional purposes. The record shows that we have increased Bord Fáilte funds appreciably over the last two years. Deputy Hegarty said the Bill does not provide for a sufficient level of capital expenditure on tourism compared to other public sector programmes, but that comparison is not valid. Despite the many prophets of doom, we are confident of maintaining growth in tourism and are aiming with new aids, to develop accommodation at the required rate without producing an over-supply. The working of the arrangement will be kept under review and can be further considered whenever the need arises.

Deputy Barry commented on the proposals. He was surprised that the Department should have a role in the design and development of a hotel grant scheme. He should recall from his own time that all capital schemes are subject to ministerial approval. This implies the examination of the need for and the adequacy of the schemes proposed to meet particular situations. When I studied this matter I had advice and a basic scheme drawn up by Bord Fáilte and also submissions from other sectors of industry. I took my decision on the basis of what I thought was the correct response.

The new scheme gives preference to hotel extensions because during the depression in the early seventies the accumulated reserves of the hotels were largely wiped out and confidence was shaken. The purpose is to restore confidence in the business. By providing extra bedroom accommodation by way of extension to existing hotels which already have the necessary kitchen, function rooms and other back-up facilities, the scheme can be implemented at lesser cost than in the construction of new hotels. It is quicker and easier to bring on an extension rather than a new construction.

Deputy Hegarty feared that since assistance is to be confined to bedrooms, lower standards would prevail in other areas of the hotel premises. I can assure the Deputy that the quality of the whole undertaking and its management will be taken into account in dealing with grant applications.

Deputy Quinn referred to the manner in which these grants are being made available. Under the old grants scheme there were suggestion that hotels were not always located in places where the greatest need existed and hotels in some cases were constructed in locations where it was difficult to achieve viable operations. There was also the point that when the tourism downturn was experienced a number of commitments had already been entered into with the result that we went through a period of overcapacity in the hotel industry. Under the new scheme the aim would be to provide extra rooms where demand arises. In this way we will have a controlled and regulated expansion to meet anticipated need. The scheme will be monitored to ensure that it is working satisfactorily. As I have said I will be prepared to consider adjustments in due course if experience suggests that that course should be adopted.

Deputy Hegarty asked why kitchens and other public areas were being excluded from the existing Bord Fáilte amenities and improvement scheme and the proposed new hotel bedroom scheme. With regard to the existing scheme I should like to state that about 67 per cent of all hotel bedrooms are fitted with a bath and the growing need is for rooms with a bath in all cases. It is important that we should adapt quickly to match this demand. We are aiming, therefore, to increase the proportion of bedrooms with a bath to 95 per cent by 1981. That is why we are putting the main emphasis of the existing scheme on bedrooms. That is in line with the aim of the new scheme, which is to increase the number of bedrooms of good marketable quality as quickly as possible.

With regard to the new scheme, I should like to state that the emphasis is on extensions where all back-up facilities such as the kitchen, function rooms and so on are already there and what is essentially needed is an extra block of bedrooms.

I was pleased to hear of the welcome given to the supplementary accommodation scheme by all speakers. I am extending the grant scheme to the country at large and doubling the size of the fund. I am also increasing the level of grants. I expect that that news will be welcomed by those involved in providing farmhouse and town-and-country home accommodation. I should mention that people who avail of this scheme undertake to make their premises available for receiving tourists for at least five years. The change will be good news for tour operators and organisers who are aware of the considerable demand by visitors for this type of accommodation, particularly the farmhouse variety which has developed into what one might term a prime tourist product in its own right.

I was also pleased to hear of the response given to my proposals to increase the level of capital spending on amenities and facilities for tourists. I was heartened by the remarks about the value of the scheme throughout the country. Sometimes there is criticism that the benefits of this spending are spread too thinly around the country so as not to have any real impact on the level of tourist activity. I do not accept that criticism. The infrastructural amenities and facilities provided are of the type and range which visitors and our own people are entitled to expect. Some of the facilities provided, such as the cabin cruisers and the horse-drawn caravans, are major tourist products in their own right and have a direct appeal. The non-commercial range of amenities and facilities, such as forest parks, encourage visitors to stop off for a few days during their visit. They also help to encourage repeat business.

With regard to the petrol voucher scheme, I should like to state that the introduction of this unique arrangement is an indication of the high priority which the Government attach to tourism. It demonstrates our concern that tourism in the areas most dependent on the motoring visitor would not suffer unduly. The open-minded and flexible approach of the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Energy, by my Department and Bord Fáilte did much to overcome the difficulties and to get the scheme working quickly and effectively. It is a pity that there has been a disposition, to put it mildly, to make damaging remarks about the scheme which are bound to be picked up and publicised abroad. The complaints I heard about the scheme related mainly to the first days of its operation but they have been substantially overcome and many voucher holders got supplies without using their vouchers. One rarely hears anything about that but, on the other hand, a single case where something unfortunately goes wrong is turned into a major issue. Not one complaint from a tourist has reached my Department in relation to the scheme. The response of tourists to the scheme, which comes through direct surveys and indirect reportage, was good and resulted in very good word of mouth publicity from visitors on their return home.

I have heard allegations that some filling stations not participating in this scheme are directing tourists to designated stations. Such behaviour would be surprising. Tourists are among the normal customers all over the country and in the tourist areas in particular I would have expected that filling stations would have had as big a stake in caring for tourists as either retail shops or providers of accommodation. I should like to congratulate those private individuals and local bodies who got together to ensure that tourists get supplies and I urge others to follow their example. I do not believe that there is a need to provide further outlets for these vouchers but, as Deputies have requested that I look into this matter, I will investigate it.

I should like to emphasise that very extensive arrangements were made to help the tourist industry overcome the problems associated with the postal dispute. As in the case of petrol supplies, some of these problems were overstated in a way which could not but damage our image abroad. Bord Fáilte tackled the problem vigorously and employed all their normal resources in communications, services and publicity to assist the industry at home to maintain contact with the market abroad. The board had considerable success in the efforts they made, particularly in relation to block bookings and to STD areas generally. I keenly appreciate, nevertheless, that there are sectors, particularly in the non-STD areas, where serious problems were encountered and where only limited help could be provided. I am aware that in some such cases hotel and guesthouse proprietors, by very commendable self-help, managed to maintain their market contacts and are now reaping the benefit in good bookings. Bord Fáilte have redeployed large sums from their budget for special advertising and mailing abroad to help cope with the difficulties and to produce effective counter publicity where we were getting at times adverse coverage in the media in other countries. This will continue and the board are planning further measures, in conjunction with the industry, to maximise the benefits from the peak season.

Deputy Corish quite rightly drew attention to the appalling litter problem. It will be recalled that on my initiative Bord Fáilte and private interests operated a campaign during May, at a cost of £212,000, which created a better awareness of the litter problem and helped to bring home to everybody the responsibility which we all share in this matter.

It was a waste of good money.

I would not say that. It may not have been as successful as we would have liked but Bord Fáilte have to be commended for the effort they put into it. I hope they get the support of local authorities and others in the efforts to overcome the litter problem.

Some Deputies raised the question of the level of cross-channel fares. In fairness to the carriers, I should say that at least they have been open with the public in trying to explain the basis for their fares policy which, while perhaps not rendering the air fare any more agreeable, increases their appreciation of why fares differ. In this respect people tend to oversimplify the situation by comparing fares on different routes. It may not be fully appreciated that most of the airlines costs relate to landing and take-off and that the route distances is not the overriding factor. Unfortunately for us the cross-channel routes are all extremely short and they are also international routes which mean that they attract charges from which domestic servicing is exempt. When like is compared with like I think the cross-channel fares stand up to comparison. One of the problems is that criticism focuses on the standard fares and ignores the special fares used by tourists in particular. I am concerned particularly—I must stress this—that Aer Lingus keep their fares at the lowest level consistent with their commercial obligations. I know that within these limits they have been making genuine efforts to meet the needs of the Irish in Britain, especially family groupings. For example, there have been no fare increases this year apart from an unavoidable 7 per cent fuel surcharge. While everybody loosely throws out the cost of the London/Dublin air fare as being at the level of £77, it should be remembered that the carriers offer an excursion fare at £64, an APEX fare at £57.50, a spouse special fare at £38.50 and a free way motoring flight, which includes a car, for seven days with unlimited mileage from £80.50 to £97. Of course similar fare reductions apply from other centres in Britain. All in all, I think they represent good value. However, I have asked Aer Lingus to maintain their vigilance so that the fares are held at the minimum possible.

On the shipping side the carriers have displayed remarkable innovation over the past few years in developing traffic. They have offered huge increases in capacity and have introduced a range of fares to fill this extra capacity. The result for the passengers has been what one might term a tempting array of special fares, family fares, mid-week and off-season fares which have resulted in a sizeable reduction in real terms in the cost of travel.

Perhaps at this point I should mention that it is a matter of regret that TWA, which had been operating into Ireland since 1946, have decided to withdraw their scheduled services between the United States and Ireland as from October next. However, the airline will continue to operate charters into Ireland. It is unlikely that tourism will be affected. Aer Lingus have assured me that they have the capacity to take care of the shortfall created by TWA's departure as a scheduled operator. The question of the designation of a US carrier to replace TWA on the North Atlantic route is a matter for the United States authorities.

Overall I am satisfied that our long-term tourism prospects are good. The industry shares this mood despite what one might term the temporary adversity we suffered this year. We must now plan for expansion and not wait until demand outpaces available supply. The present Bill by increasing the statutory limit will ensure that money is made available to Bord Fáilte to stimulate growth of the accommodation sector and ancillary amenities to cater for the extra tourist demand. I am glad to have had the opportunity of presenting this Bill to the House and I have no doubt that it will be given full support.

Question put and agreed to.

When is it proposed to take Committee Stage?

Now.

Agreed to take remaining Stages to-day.

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