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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 6 Dec 1979

Vol. 317 No. 6

Private Business. - Payment of Wages Bill, 1979: Fifth Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass."

I am very sad that this Bill is being passed because I firmly believe it constitutes a backward step. It would have been infinitely preferable had a simple one section Bill been brought before the House, as was suggested by the Federated Union of Employers, not that everything suggested by them or indeed by Congress should be accepted by this or any other Minister. However, I happen to believe that such a measure would have improved the situation somewhat. Indeed I would have gone much further, as I sought to do in the amendments I proposed, because I firmly believe that this Bill constitutes a retrograde step.

I am sorry the Minister has not accepted that, in this case, there is a security dimension and that he has a role to play in that respect. I am sorry also that he has not accepted that there is a need for regulations as to the level of a banking or cashing service and their proximity, and that he has a role to play in implementing those regulations.

I am particularly sorry that this Bill will continue to expose workers, their lives and limbs to danger. It will in no way ease the fears of workers who pay cash, who work in the vicinity of cash or who carry cash—not merely security workers, because there are many places where cash has to be transmitted from one office of a firm to another or from one department to another. There is real fear being felt. I know because I have had personal experience of it: one expects to be pounced on every moment as one goes along that route; one expects a gun to be pointed in the window every time there is money in the office, and that is not at all to exaggerate. This Bill does nothing to minimise those people's fears or to protect them. I am deeply sorry that not alone is there no provision being made to protect life, limb or money but that the Bill constitutes a major retrograde step. All I can hope is that wiser counsel will prevail before too long and that a further amending Bill will be brought before the House.

In accepting the passage of this Bill, I want to make the point that no Bill can be perfect or can ever cover every aspect we would like to see covered. While there are people in this country prepared to rob money, no enactment of this House will prevent them from so doing, because that is the mentality of those people. Regardless of whatever legislation is enacted, there will also still be movement of cash. I feel it is a Bill which will encourage workers to opt for a system that may prevent 85 to 90 per cent of robberies and injury to people. In that way it is a step in the right direction and will be helpful in encouraging workers to opt for whatever system they feel is most appropriate to their circumstances. In that way I accept the passage of the Bill on behalf of the Labour Party.

First, may I thank Deputies for their interest, concern and co-operation on this Bill, for participating in the debate and for putting down amendments, at least some of which will form part of the Bill as passed.

I regret that Deputy Mitchell is adopting the approach he is; I do not believe it is the function of the Minister for Labour to introduce compulsory legislation which in itself might create more difficulties and problems at the workplace rather than leading to their alleviation. Surely in presentday society one's essential duty is to alleviate problems in the workplace rather than create them, and I fear that the measures proposed by Deputy Mitchell would have that effect. Furthermore, in the House last evening we all condemned those people who commit these heinous crimes, bank robberies and so on. Deputy J. Ryan is completely correct when he says that there will always be movement of cash and that all of us have a duty to society, in our own different spheres, to encourage the elimination of some of the causes. As Minister for Labour I believe I would be fulfilling a far better role in Irish society, particularly to workers and employers, by introducing a Bill encouraging, making it easy, facilitating, but by agreement—that is the important thing— by agreement. This Bill enables both parties, whether individually or through their various organisations, to come together, reach that agreement and make that arrangement. It legalises that procedure and also affords them the necessary encouragement. I believe that is the correct approach and is the approach I would always support. I believe that in this Bill we have taken a major step forward in urging our society to undertake more and more non-cash methods of payment, by agreement between both sides. If we achieve that I believe we will have achieved something positive in an encouraging and agreeable fashion rather than the laying down of an ultimatum: you will do this, you will not do this; or you must do that. As a nation I do not believe that type of approach has ever been proved to be helpful. However, I do believe this Bill can contribute to the elimination of some of these heinous crimes.

Question put and agreed to.
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