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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 13 Dec 1979

Vol. 317 No. 9

Trustee (Authorised Investments) Order, 1979: Motion.

I move:

That Dáil Éireann approves the following Order in draft:

Trustee (Authorised Investments) Order, 1979,

a copy of which Order in draft was laid before the House on 24 May, 1979.

The Trustee (Authorised Investments) Act, 1958, defines the investments in which trustees may invest trust funds unless expressly forbidden by the instrument, if any, creating the trust. Equally, the trust deed may confer wider powers of investment but many trusts and analogous funds are restricted to the investments authorised under the Act. The Minister for Finance may vary the authorised investments by order.

The list of authorised trustee investments is kept under active review and changes are proposed as the need arises. As part of this process I am now laying before the House a draft order which would add three non-associated banks and one building society to the list of authorised trustee investments.

Following consultation with the Central Bank, their recommendation has been accepted that the three non-associated banks named in the draft order be included in the list of authorised trustee investments. The addition of these banks will bring the total number of licensed banks on the list to 28, comprising all the major domestic and foreign banks in the State. This increase will improve the range of investment opportunities open to trustees.

The Trustee (Authorised Investments) Order, 1977, added building societies to the list of authorised investments for the first time. On this occasion I propose to add one further building society to that list. I am satisfied that this building society is suitable for inclusion having met the criteria to be observed by building societies qualifying for trustee status. This brings to six the number of building societies qualifying for trustee status and they represent the vast bulk of the resources of the building society movement. The inclusion of building societies as trustee authorised investments also emphasised the important function played by these institutions in helping finance the community's housing needs.

The Minister for Finance is obliged under the Trustee (Authorised Investments) Act, 1958, to consult with the following persons in regard to the terms of any order he proposes to make to vary the list of investments. A judge of the High Court nominated by the Chief Justice, the Governor of the Central Bank, the Public Trustee, the Chairman of the Irish Banks' Standing Committee, the President of the Incorporated Law Society of Ireland and the President of the Stock Exchange—Irish Unit. All the statutory requirements in this regard have been complied with.

I am satisfied that the additions now proposed to the trustee list are secure and suitable for the investment of trust funds and will improve the range of investment opportunities open to trustees. I therefore commend the motion for approval of the House.

I have no objection to this motion. I know that the four institutions should be added. This order has been before the House for a number of months now. About a fortnight ago I inquired why it had not been taken. I was told it was because of an appeal against a decision regarding one of the institutions. The Government had taken an action against one of the institutions which the Government lost—I think that is correct—and they appealed against it. Pending the result of that appeal, even though it had no effect on the status of the society involved, and no effect on the legality of the order if confirmed by the House, it would not be taken in the House. I want to know from the Minister whether that has been cleared up or whether there has been a change of mind.

I am glad that after some considerable delay this order will now have the approval of the House. It will broaden the general prospects of the investment of trustee funds and give an opportunity to the three non-associated banks and the additional building society to avail fully of the prospects of further investment. There may well be some truth about the situation referred to by Deputy Barry although I think it was the reverse.

Maybe it was. I am not absolutely sure.

The bank took an action against the Government rather than the Government against the bank. I doubt that the bank concerned will proceed with the appeal. The matter under investigation has been clarified. I have no doubt this will be a valuable instrument because there is a need to broaden the general prospects of trustee investment funds. It will help to strengthen the overall usage and availability of trustee funds, and the four institutions concerned.

The Central Bank should keep a very close eye on the situation. We now have a large number of such authorised institutions on the trustee list, a total of 28 in all coming on to the list. That requires a fairly substantial degree of supervision by the Central Bank. I have no doubt that supervision will be rigorous. It is absolutely essential that all the criteria should be met, particularly when we have three new non-associated banks and an additional building society coming into the process. The Labour Party are pleased to support this new order. I gather it has gone through the Seanad.

These institutions are very concerned about getting everything completed.

I should like to ask the Minister are the ACC included in the list of 28 and, if not, why not?

I had intended to wish the Minister well in his new portfolio. I hope he will be as successful as he was in his previous one. He is coming from the rarefied atmosphere of the diningroom into the heat of the kitchen. Things may be a little tougher in the future, but I wish him well.

I, too, was remiss. I wish the Minister well after the hurly-burly of the past few days.

I should like to thank the Deputies who have wished me well.

I wish to thank the House for its readiness to expedite this matter this morning because, as Deputy Desmond has said, this was approved by the Seanad some time ago. I should like to confirm for the benefit of Deputy Clinton that the ACC are on the approved list. Deputy Desmond expressed understandable concern about whether the Central Bank would keep these matters under review. The Deputy will be aware from my opening statement that stringent conditions will be applied before the Minister can add any banks or building societies to the list. I indicated that this has been gone through as required. Over and above that, the House will be aware that the Minister for Finance at any given time, for reasons which seem to him to be necessary, may vary the lists contained in the order, that is if it seems to him to be desirable, in the interests of the trust funds, to do so.

On the first point made by Deputy Desmond, that matter has been resolved satisfactorily and I do not think there is any need to go further. The banks are quite satisfied with the position.

Question put and agreed to.

We are in some confusion on this side of the House in regard to No. 6 on the Order Paper, which was put into the Order of Business this morning. Obviously the Government want it quickly, but could we be given some idea of when it may be taken?

We must first dispose of Nos. 7 and I, Supplementary Estimates, followed by the Appropriation Bill. We will then go on to No. 6.

It is the last item and it may not be taken until next Tuesday or Wednesday.

The Chair cannot help the Deputy on that point.

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