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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 11 Mar 1980

Vol. 318 No. 9

Social Welfare Bill, 1980: Committee and Final Stages.

Section 1 to 16, inclusive, agreed to.
SECTION 17.
Question proposed: "That section 17 stand part of the Bill."

On this section I wish to make one brief point regarding disability benefit. In the year ended 31 March 1969 about 21 per cent, or one in five, of the workforce claimed disability benefit; yet in the year ended 31 December 1978 35 per cent, or almost two in five, of the workforce claimed disability benefit. As we are supposed to have had an improvement in the general health of the community in the decade between 1969 and 1979, it is very odd that the number of people claiming disability benefit should have almost doubled. I would like to ask the Minister if he believes this very dramatic increase from 21 per cent to 35 per cent is a result of a worsening in health of the workforce or of it becoming easier for people to get doctors' certificates because there are not officers investigating the situation. Or is it simply a result of a change in the regulations or the general desirability for people to want to claim the benefits?

On the face of it a change of that nature is very hard to explain. The big jump took place between 1975 and 1976. In 1975 only 24 per cent of the workforce claimed disability benefit. Suddenly in 1976 that jumped to 32 per cent. It remained at 32 per cent in 1977 but in 1978 it jumped to 35 per cent. We may well have a situation where an even larger proportion will be claiming disability benefits next year. The Minister should investigate this. If more people are getting sick at work, as these figures tend to suggest, there is something radically wrong. Either our health programmes are not working, the disability benefit scheme is not working or else in the 1969 period people were not claiming the benefits to which they were entitled, although I have some doubt about that.

This is a very wide-ranging question and we could have quite a discussion on it. The figures for alcoholism have significantly increased over this period and that could have an influence. Also, as far as married women are concerned, there has been an easement of the conditions of entitlement and they came into the reckoning. The number of medical referees has increased, and this legislation is a control measure.

Is the Minister satisfied that the change is accounted for primarily by the eligibility of married women?

No. That could be one factor. The Deputy asked for reasons off the cuff and this is one. There has been a change structurally and technically in that way and there are others. The Deputy suggested that people may not have known to claim the benefits to which they had a right. It is important to bear in mind that this is an insurance scheme for which the people, employers and employees, are paying. It is important to avoid abuse of the scheme.

It has been suggested that people are often in a position to claim these benefits even if they are not too ill to work. The trouble is that it is very hard to disprove that a person has not a bad back. I think the accent should be on positive health, encouraging people to work and developing the dignity of work as something which is positively helpful. Would the Minister be prepared to carry out an investigation to see what are the real reasons, apart from those we have been speculating about here?

I accept the point made by the Deputy.

Question put and agreed to.
Sections 18 to 25, inclusive, agreed to.
SECTION 26.
Question proposed: "That section 26 stand part of the Bill."

(Cavan-Monaghan): This section fixes the new rates of contributions and increase in earning ceilings. I would be glad if the Minister would give some examples of what a person earning £60, £70 and £100 a week is paying now and what he will pay under the Bill?

A person earning £3,000 now pays £102 and the proposed increase would be to £105, and increase of £3. If the Deputy wishes I will give the increases. At £3,000 the increase is £3, at £4,000 it is £4, at £5,000 it is £5, at £6,000 it is £23 and at £7,000 it is £58.

Question put and agreed to.
Section 27 agreed to.
Schedule agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported without amendment and passed.
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