When I reported progress last evening I was dealing with the effects of the recession on the weaker and the more vulnerable sections of the community. I was dealing particularly with the problems in relation to the Department of the Environment and to local authorities. In a recession situation the first to lose their jobs are people such as road workers and others in the lower-paid employments. Although the Minister for Education informed us that there are not to be any cut-backs in his Department we find that there is to be a cut-back in the school transport system. This means that children at both primary and post primary level will be among the first to feel the effects of the recession. Again, we had an assurance from the Minister for Health that there would not be any cut-backs in his Department's activities but the cut-backs in that area in regard to medical cards will hit also the weaker section. All of this is a recipe for disaster. We do not find county managers, county engineers or others in the higher income groups being hit by a recession.
I have been referring to the building industry. Considerable play has been made by the Minister in respect of the subsidisation of building society loans but this subsidisation is very necessary having regard to the savage increases in interest rates recently. People are experiencing much difficulty in meeting their commitments to the building societies. However, there are people who have loans for houses from sources other than the building societies. We have had the situation in the recent past in which the building societies did not meet the demands made on them to provide loans for the building of houses with the result that the people concerned had to go to the banks or insurance companies for accommodation for which they are paying very high interest rates. In these circumstances I would ask the Minister to reconsider the whole situation. The building industry has been hit in a big way in recent months. Indeed, there have been difficulties in that area during the past year arising from the difficulty of getting bridging finance. While those of us in local authorities encourage people to build their own houses and while the loans available are quite attractive for those who qualify for them, there is great difficulty in relation to bridging finance.
The discontinuation of the reconstruction and of the water and sewerage grants has been a severe blow to the building industry. Again in this instance the recession is hitting a section of the community who are not in a position to maintain or to improve their homes in the way that is necessary. For the last year for which records are available, there were approximately 60,000 applicants for these grants. This is an indication of the use that was made of them. The grants were an incentive to people to maintain their houses and to carry out necessary repairs.
While I am speaking about the position of local authorities I should like to refer briefly to the situation in Cork County Council where time and again we have asked for extra finance for road works. In each of the past three years we have taken the decision not to become involved in road improvement works because of the shortage of finance. Instead we are applying the resources we have to maintenance work. We are not in a position to undertake any improvement works and this leaves us in the position of having the worst roads that we have ever had in so far as potholes are concerned. We are not able to do a proper maintenance job because of this shortage of finance. Because the roads are being allowed to deteriorate continuously it is obvious that a sizeable sum of money will be required to redeem the situation, but before any more time elapses I would ask the Minister to give very serious consideration to our plight in this regard.
I ask the Minister to take note of the very serious situation in which we find ourselves. There is a great deal of confusion in regard to farmer taxation. I am confused myself and am glad that the Minister of State is present to reply. Between resource tax, removal of agricultural grants in rates, income tax threshold brought down to £40 valuation, capital acquisitions, inheritance and every form of tax there is extreme confusion. Would the Minister in his reply to this debate please clarify section 24 of this Bill which deals with the threshold and with farmer taxation and income tax in general?
If I recall it correctly that section says in relation to a husband and wife who have farms separately owned and separately occupied that they are not liable to tax and do not come within the threshold if their combined valuations exceeds £40. In layman's language, that is my interpretation of that section. Do I take it from that, that there must be a marital separation of a farming husband and wife, that the wife must live on the farm owned and registered in her name and that the husband must live separately in the farm owned and in his name if they want to avoid paying tax? If that be the case, it is an incentive to marital break-up. There is an Irish joke in the context of marriage, of divorce Irish style. Is this divorce agricultural style?
If it is a case, for example, of a jointly owned holding which exceeds the income tax threshold and according to that section that farming husband and wife are liable for tax, how does this relate to the Murphy case? Is not this absolute discrimination against the farming community? What happens in a situation where there are two holdings which jointly exceed the threshold but those people are living together as man and wife do? Does it not mean, in effect, that they must pay tax? Is there any relevance here to the recent decision of the Supreme Court? The farming community are running to accountants and solicitors, there is fragmentation of farms and efforts are being made to avoid tax, particularly in this year, which is a very bad one.
We need only look at the repercussions of the depression in the agricultural industry. The Minister of State realises this as much as anybody. The latest indication is the reports from the Spring Show which has just ended—the worst Spring Show in ten years from the point of view of sales of machinery, due to confusion of mind of the farming community. There is a great lack of confidence in the industry and farmers do not know what is in store for them. With all the experience that the Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners have, there must be a more simplified system of taxation for the farming community. I impress on the Minister for Agriculture, The Minister for Finance and the Government that there must be no steps taken to inhibit the expansion of the industry.
I said something perhaps rather harsh when speaking on the Budget, which I repeat. We owe nothing to the lazy farmer, but the country owes a considerable debt of gratitude to the progressive farmer who uses the resources available to him or her, provides jobs and produces to the maximum. We should bear that in mind. Our present taxation system is hitting the progressive farmer and inhibiting him or her from expanding. We hear so much from the Government about the job situation, that more jobs must be created. However, with all the seasonal advantages that we had last month, there is again an increase in unemployment. The only way in which we can create jobs which are sound economically is in the agricultural industry. Slowly but surely, we are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
I am not laying all the blame on the present Government—it appears to be the system of Governments for a long time past but particularly this one after the 1977 General Election—that we can borrow ourselves into prosperity. We cannot. Any business run in the same way as the Government of the day are running the country would be declared bankrupt within a year and the show would have to fold up.
We find that at least 25 per cent of our total revenue this year will go to pay the interest on what we owe, there is rapid inflation and the budget fuelled the fires of inflation with the tax on petrol and other taxations. We constantly appeal to people to tighten their belts because they are living beyond their means. We all know that that is a fact, but we also know that the Government are there to lead, to legislate in the hope that the laws will be obeyed by the people within the State. We are saying to the trade unions today and somebody else tomorrow "You must tighten your belts. Industry will suffer if you do not take less and produce more." At the same time we have a Government which are very irresponsibly living beyond their means, and that is an under-statement. We have a most serious situation.
It would be wrong to say that people did not get concessions from the last budget, which this Finance Bill is putting into effect. Nobody can deny that the PAYE sector got concessions, but unfortunately they had to take to the streets in thousands to demand the attention of the Minister and of the Government to their plight. Everybody believes that protest march was a success because it did attract attention. What prompted them to do it? I shall tell the Minister. A weak Minister for Finance over a year ago introduced farmer taxation of a type which was wrong and should never have been brought in. Any Minister, having introduced something like that, who seeks to retract under pressure, creates a dangerous precedent. The Minister, because of the pressure brought to bear on him by some of his backbenchers and by the farming community, ran for cover, retracted his budget statement and the 2 per cent levy was off. What happened then? We had a similar reaction from the PAYE earners who were successful.
What is happening now? There has not been a provision made in the Finance Bill to deal with any contingencies. The nurses now have a grievance and are demonstrating. The Government will have to meet their demands. Who will be next? I believe it will be the teachers, and there will be a similar situation where they will make their demands because they feel the only way to get anything is to use muscle, take to the streets and pressurise the Government.
Who will follow them? I hope it will not be the Garda, but it looks as if they will follow the teachers. This goes on and on and creates a very difficult situation. I mention this to prove the point I opened on, that it is the weaker sections of the community who suffer because they cannot muster a show of strength, voting power or otherwise, which will attract the attention of the Government to their plight. In every recession the poorer section of the people are the first to suffer.
There is another point I want to make in relation to farmer taxation. No matter in what form money is paid to the central and local exchequer it is regarded as a tax. There is discrimination in relation to the removal of the agricultural grant from the rating system. What is the position in relation to rates on separate holdings? Is there amalgamation? Does the same thing apply as is mentioned in section 24? I would like to have some clarification in relation to those questions.
The threshold is at £40 valuation on a sliding scale to £50 valuation. The income tax of a farmer with a valuation of £42, £43 or £44 is small because it is on a sliding scale. He has to pay only one-fifth of the tax. The farmer who has a valuation of £50 and upwards can claim rates against tax while the farmer with a valuation of £42 will pay double the amount in rates this year that he paid last year. This is £320 more in Cork than he paid last year. This is regarded as tax. There are many people who do not know the position and who use the media to say that farmers are not paying tax, but that is the position as far as the farming industry generally is concerned.
There is also the resource tax which is an added burden on the farming community. The whole system of agricultural tax must be examined and a more simplified and less confused system introduced. The concessions given to social welfare recipients in the budget could be regarded as very generous if we had not to take into consideration the increase in the cost of living. Nobody seems to have control over prices even though we were told in the Fianna Fáil manifesto in 1977 that prices could be controlled. Price increases now are so fast that one can do better by shopping in the morning rather than in the evening because prices are bound to increase between morning and evening. The increases given to social welfare recipients are already eroded by the rapid increase in the cost of living. There is a budget practically every day. One of the root causes of our problems today was the expectations created in 1977, the high hopes given that milk and honey would flow and all that was needed was to get Fianna Fáil into office.
We never had more unrest than we have now. People regarded the removal of car tax as a great attraction when it was first introduced. Those who no longer had to pay tax on their cars felt that at least they were gaining something. The people who were saved that amount of money since 1977 would readily contribute it to a better road network which would certainly reduce their garage bills considerably.
Nobody owes the country a living, nobody owes any of us a living. We are probably all living beyond our means. The Government, who were elected with the biggest majority ever, should give a lead, but they are afraid to take an unpopular decision in case it means a loss of support for them. No Government, here or anywhere else in the world, can run a country by taking popular decisions almost every day in the week so that they will win support from the electorate. If the Government continue as they have done the day of reckoning will come. We are very close to it now. The Government are afraid to take the decisions which are necessary to put the country back on the rails. Approximately 25 per cent of our revenue today goes to pay interest on what we owe. This is being done to keep Fianna Fáil popular with the electorate. I believe this is a recipe for disaster.