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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 14 May 1981

Vol. 328 No. 14

Adjournment Debate. - Dublin Street Violence.

I thank you, Sir, for having given me the opportunity to raise this matter. With your permission, I propose to speak for ten minutes. Deputy FitzGerald wishes to contribute as does the leader of my party. They will have five minutes each and this will still leave the Minister ten minutes in which to reply.

In the short time I have, I wish to raise the violence and the civil disturbance and damage to public and private property that have occurred in the general central areas of this city in recent weeks, particularly in recent evenings. We have now here a situation in which the main thoroughfares of the city have witnessed vicious so called demonstrations. O'Connell Street, Stephen's Green, Dawson Street, parts of Merrion Square, North Earl Street and Abbey Street, just to mention some of them, last night bore the brunt of this vicious form of violence, and it is necessary and appropriate that in this House the political parties and the Government should record in no uncertain terms our condemnation of this type of activity and place on record our determination that the people of Dublin and of the country visiting Dublin, visitors to our city from at home and abroad, will have the right to the freedom and enjoyment to walk and to drive through the streets of Dublin in a peaceful and normal way.

Virtually every business in Dublin has suffered from that kind of vicious behaviour. I am chairman of Dublin County Council. The offices which the council occupy fronting O'Connell Street had just one brick thrown through the plate glass window and the cost today just to replace that glass will be £600 to the taxpayer. That is for one large plate glass window. We can reckon, accordingly, that tens of thousands of pounds of damage has been brought about this activity.

I want to lay at rest the kind of shrugging off by some people of their responsibility for what has been happening. It is alleged that this has been done by merely a hooligan element latching on to so-called peaceful demonstrations. I do not think I could give a better authority than a high ranking Garda officer, quoted tonight in the Evening Herald. He said:

People of considerable influence are gathering around them highly suspect people and doing nothing to restrain them. They brought petrol bombs, some of them laced with sugar, that would stick to bodies. They brought golf balls and missiles into O'Connell Street.

He went on to say, and I thoroughly agree with his observations:

The organisers try to slide away from their responsibility by saying these are breakaway groups, but they are responsible for every man, woman and child who gather behind their banners.

This top ranking Garda officer went on:

Meetings have been held throughout the city and the suburbs to recruit the rowdies to create havoc in Dublin.

It is necessary to put that kind of protest on record here. In so doing I want to say that whether it happens in Dublin city or in the constituency I represent, Dún Laoghaire, those of us who make this kind of protest are entitled to do so without having, as happened to me when I protested about the depredation to a public monument in Dún Laoghaire, our families threatened. I pay tribute to the Garda who did their utmost in difficult circumstances, many of them got injured, to try to restrain this kind of thuggery. Those armchair generals, who hide behind the facade of public meetings hoping the situation will get out of hand slowly, should know that Dáil Éireann said they can put their opinions where their mouths are and if they want to stand in a general election and face the electorate for the kind of so-called political demonstration they represent, they will have the opportunity in the near future.

I urge the Minister strongly to ensure that every possible effort will be made in a democratic way to prevent this kind of violence being continued in our city. On many occasions I have spoken at political meetings at the GPO and I cherish the right of the citizens of Dublin and the country to assemble in a peaceful, calm and rational manner to state their political views, no matter how extreme their views may be, but I draw the line when people foment a degree of violence and then slide away from responsibility for it.

The damage to tourism, I can say from my certain knowledge, by way of cancellation of hundreds of bookings in Dublin city hotels, and the damage to central city trading, can be reckoned in hundreds of thousands of pounds. I urge the Minister to ensure, through normal, fair and democratic enforcement of civilised activity, whether demonstrations, parades or marches, that this kind of vicious violence will not be allowed to recur.

That is why I raised this matter this evening. I raised it because the matter could get quite serious and we must not slide away in any way from our responsibilities. I know the Minister has already spoken in reply to a question raised by Deputy Mitchell about the CIE buses and so on. But it does require a necessary degree of repetition and reiteration of our rejection and condemnation and abhorrence of that kind of activity of anybody, irrespective of political beliefs, in this city last evening and the evenings past.

We are all grateful to Deputy Desmond for raising this matter and giving us the opportunity in this House at this point to express the feelings of the people of Dublin and of the nation at what has been happening in recent days.

There can be no doubt about the gravity of the situation. There is a deep concern that public order is threatened in Dublin. This concern is widespread. It is felt among CIE workers who most courageously went to work on Thursday last and find themselves now at risk and having their buses taken from them and burned. It is found among traders whose business are being disrupted and destroyed by the effect of this violence. It is found in people's attitudes to the centre of the city: they are concerned for their safety if they go there. It is found among the public in general. There are parts of Dublin which have now become "no go" areas. It is to be found outside Dublin also where, day after day, we have had cases of homes being burned, homes belonging to people who are English or what has been described as Anglo-Irish and whose property is at risk from those who are fomenting and supporting these disturbances.

There has been general widespread admiration for the restraint and skill of the Garda in coping with the problems they have had to face. But we need an assurance in this House that, contrary to the reported statements of a number of gardaí a couple of days ago, there were no "hold back" orders given from on high in respect of breaches of public order.

What did the Deputy say?

We need an assurance that there were no "hold back" orders given from on high in respect of breaches of public order in the early stages of these events because, if any such indications were given to the Garda, it was as a result of them that there was a tolerance of unlawful acts at the beginning that could have been a serious contributory factor to the escalation of violence which we have experienced.

In passing I would like to comment on the fact that last Thursday the vast majority of the people of this city and country went to work. Some freely chose not to do so, as is their right. But the vast majority went to work but it was only as the day passed and in areas where intimidation occurred that people were forced to close their premises and a situation arose where businesses ceased to operate and closed their doors. I had occasion to report, as phone calls came into me during that day, to the Minister's office numerous case of intimidation. I have to say that wherever I had any evidence there was quick action on the part of the Minister's office in sending the Garda to the areas in question, although in some cases the premises had already been closed and there was nothing they could do at that stage. But it is significant that there was no general closure and it was this that brought about intimidation by people desperate to create the impression that there is solidarity with a movement which clearly is willing to commit violent acts and encourage violence.

Hear, hear.

There is good reason to believe — and I think the Minister is aware of it — that the initial violence in the St. Stephen's Green area and in Dawson Street was initiated with the approval, despite denials, of the people organising this whole movement as a means of warning people what would happen to them if they did not close two days later.

Finally — and this has to be added, I think — I would like to say that some of this problem reflects our failure as a community to deal with social problems involving the alienation of young people from society in parts of this city because of the way we have allowed these areas to disintegrate and have provided the young people in them with no hope or prospects for the future. We in society as a whole, we who hold authority in this House, bear some responsibility for that alienation which has contributed to the violence that is at present taking place. It excuses nothing, but it is something that we have to bear in mind also. In the meantime we are entitled to ask the Minister for an assurance that in the days ahead before the House meets again public order will be restored.

First, I would like to make it perfectly clear that this party will protect the right of any group to protest peacefully in this democracy.

Hear, hear.

In fact, like Deputy Desmond, I have protested by marching and holding public meetings. I have on occasions been involved in the organising of protest meetings in this State. Along with the right to hold such peaceful forms of protest, there is the responsibility on those that organise them to ensure that they are peaceful. They cannot evade that responsibility repeatedly. It can happen on one occasion that an organisation organising a march can have a small section break loose and commit violent acts, but it cannot happen repeatedly. If they are not in a position to properly steward and control the people they attract to protest, then they forfeit their right to protest because, let us make no mistake about it, there is considerable fear among ordinary people in this city over the last two or three weeks.

Hear, hear.

Throughout the country.

I know that people have refrained from going about their lawful business in the centre of the city and that their children, particularly their teenage children, have been refused permission by their parents to go, as they would normally go by way of recreation, into the centre of the city. That is not the kind of society that we are going to tolerate because of any small group of bully boys, whether they are home bred or imported.

Hear, hear.

We want to make that clear.

Or set up by members of the Government.

There is another disturbing aspect and that is the introduction of the petrol bomb as a means of protest. The Garda in this country operate under the direction of the democratically elected Government and the Government bear the responsibility to ensure that people can exercise their right to go about their business in safety. I know that there are certain circumstances — and possibly this is one of them — where the people organising want a confrontation and there may have been a hold back by the police because they did not want to oblige. This is a possibility. I am not saying it is a fact.

We are here to make it known that as far as we are concerned we will ensure that the citizens in this city will not be deprived of their right to walk in safety in the main thoroughfare and in the centre of the city generally. Another aspect which is a major contributing factor to some of the goings on in the city is that in parts of the city it is quite normal for the people to have to endure violence. For years people have been living in terror because of vandalism which can be related directly to the social conditions in which these people live and are kept.

A Deputy

Hear, hear.

Police measures and law enforcement are not a solution here. What we need is a radical change in the way in which we run our financial affairs. Our performance up to now results in that type of terror which many of our citizens are experiencing and that should not be overlooked by any Government.

I thank Deputies for their contribution to this debate and I assure them and the House that every effort is being and will continue to be made to deal with vandalism and damage to property arising from the present spate of marches and demonstrations in Dublin. Protest marches organised by H-Blocks supporters have become exceedingly violent and gardaí on duty at the British Embassy and in other areas have come under vicious and apparently planned attacks by demonstrators using petrol bombs, bottles, stones, sticks and other offensive weapons. Due to the efforts of the Garda the demonstrators have been limited in their attempts to cause very serious damage to property and they are quickly dispersed when they set out on their rampage of violence. Having regard to the options open to demonstrators in choosing their line of retreat from the scene of the demonstration it would be difficult if not impossible to prevent some damage being caused to property. In their efforts to protect such property a number of gardaí have been injured in the past few days. On the occasions of expected violent demonstrations up to 1,000 members of the force are deployed in the Dublin metropolitan area. I am satisfied that the gardaí involved in dealing with these problems have, at great personal risk to themselves, been successful in preventing more serious damage to property and by their intervention they have succeeded in quickly dispersing those involved in the activities.

Arising from last night's disturbances seven people have been arrested six of whom have been charged with stealing from shops. The other person has been charged with assaulting the gardaí. The Garda have the full support of the Government in their difficult task and I have no reason to believe that they will not be able to contain the situation.

In relation to a suggestion which I attribute to Deputy FitzGerald that somebody somewhere gave orders to the Garda to hold back, that suggestion is not true. With all the knowledge that any Minister for Justice should have in a situation like this, I say that that is not true.

Dr. Fitzgerald

I am grateful for that assurance.

I too join with the Members of the House in expressing my condemnation of what is happening and I accept that there is a widespread concern at the situation which is developing. The CIE workers have my sympathy in that they who were good enough to do what they did on Thursday last are now being singled out for special attention. I condemn out of hand the actions of those who burn houses in any county whether they be owned by Anglo-Irish or English people. I am sure that all of us have nothing but the highest admiration and appreciation of what the Garda are doing and of how they are doing it. The Garda Commissioner has the full confidence of this Government and, I am sure, of the House in handling the situation as he sees it on the ground. There will be no interference from anybody.

The Assistant Commissioner who has responsibility for the Dublin metropolitan area has available to him 1,000 gardaí and he can have every garda in uniform made available to him if he wishes. We can also call on others to help the Garda if necessary and we are prepared to do so. I too am concerned to see that law abiding citizens can go about their ordinary business. I too believe in the right to protest. I have never had the pleasure of speaking on a political platform before the GPO but I have been involved in peaceful protests and that is a right every Member of the House will defend.

Those who appeared on platforms in front of the GPO within the last week or so making inflammatory speeches did a lot to bring about the situation that we are discussing. I am satisfied that those people are being investigated by the Garda and those investigations will result in a submission to the Director of Public Prosecutions. That is as it should be. It has been said that small groups are breaking away and that the main group are not responsible for them. It is now a common view that the small breakaway groups are part of the big group who are taking credit for their very existence on the streets. It is common knowledge that on the night of the Dawson Street-Nassau Street-Stephens Green violence the black flags were being picked up along the way afterwards. I am concerned about the situation and I am giving my full backing to the Garda to deal with the situation. The Garda Commissioner knows that all the resources of the State are available to him to restore and maintain order in this city and in all parts of the country.

I thank the Garda for their restraint, a restraint which is perhaps difficult for outsiders to understand. Let us recognise that they are the professionals in this field and that we must be guided by them. They must select the best means to deal with the situation. It is not a question of standing back or of being asked to stand back, it is a question of knowing how to deal with this situation. If the Garda Commissioner wishes to transfer every garda in the country into the city to maintain law and order I will be glad to sit down and help him to do whatever is necessary to restore law and order.

The Dáil adjourned at 5.30 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 19 May 1981.

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