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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 20 May 1981

Vol. 328 No. 16

Patents Bill, 1981: Second Stage.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The present law relating to patents is the Patents Act, 1964, which brought up to date at that time the first Act relating to patents enacted after the foundation of the State, namely, the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act of 1927. The Bill now before the House is designed to bring our patent law up to date to meet modern conditions and to harmonise it with that of other countries, in particular with that of EEC countries. Since 1964 there has been considerable international negotiation, in which we have co-operated, aimed at harmonisation of law between different countries, at facilitating protection of invention in different countries, and in particular at avoiding wasteful duplication of effort by inventors in securing such protection. The second main object of the Bill, and this is really another facet of the first object, is to enable us to ratify two international patent agreements, the European Patent Convention and the Patent Co-Operation Treaty.

The more important of these agreements is the European Patent Convention. The history of this instrument goes back to an EEC initiative of the early sixties, which, because of political reasons, did not make great progress until it was revived in the wider European context at the end of the decade and which culminated in the Convention on the Grant of European Patents, otherwise known as the European Patent Convention, which was signed on behalf of 14 European countries, including Ireland, in Munich in 1973.

The duplication and waste to which I refer arose out of the fact that an inventor has to file a separate application for a patent for his invention in each of the countries where he wishes to get protection, and to go through a complicated but essentially similar grant procedure in each of these countries. The cost and delays involved in processing these individual applications are very large. By contrast, under the European Patent Convention, anyone seeking patent protection for an invention in a number of states which are members of the system will file one application designating the states in which he desires protection. The application will be examined pursuant to the code of patent law as set out in the convention by the European Patents Office set up under the convention.

This code, which forms a new common body of law, may be regarded as the embodiment of concepts in the field of patent law and practice which are generally accepted in the European Economic Community, in Europe generally and elsewhere in the world. When the European patent is granted, the effect of the convention is that it results in a number of national patents in each of the countries designated by the applicant, and in each of these countries, the patent is, in principle, subject to the law of the individual state in respect of which it is granted, that is to the law applicable to the national patent. This carries the corollary that the procedure for the grant of patents by our Patents Office has to be aligned with that for the grant of patents through the European Patents Office, so that the status of the patent is the same in both cases whether it goes through the European route or the national route.

The second important international convention being dealt with under this Bill is the Patent Co-Operation Treaty, which has also been signed on behalf of Ireland. This is a world-wide, and not merely a European, treaty, and it is also designed to simplify the processing of applications for a patent for the same invention in a number of countries. The procedure involves one application in one language, and one set of fees instead of a number of separate national applications. The single application is processed at the start in a central search and/or examination authority, and is then sent to the separate designated national patent offices for further treatment leading up to the actual grant of the patent. The European Patent Convention is designed to tie in closely with the requirements of the Patent Co-Operation Treaty.

The enactment of this Bill will bring our law into line with the two international agreements to which I have referred and will enable us to ratify them. The enactment will enable us to benefit from the cutting of duplication and waste inherent in the international patent system and will simplify and rationalise applications for protection for inventions.

When this Bill is enacted and comes into operation, it will be possible for Ireland to join with our colleagues in other countries in ratifying the two international agreements referred to. The present number of countries which have ratified the two agreements is 11 for the European Patent Convention and 30 for the Patent Co-Operation Treaty.

While the Bill represents a major revision of our law, many elements of our present law remain and the general layout of the Bill is closely similar to that of our present Act. I might help Deputies if I indicated briefly some of the highlights of the Bill and some of the changes which we propose to introduce into the law as it stands at present.

Part II, that is sections 6-11, lists the requirements which govern the question as to whether an invention is patentable. These requirements are the same as those set out in the European Patent Convention and an important part in these requirements is that the invention must involve an inventive step. This is defined by saying in section 10 that the invention is not obvious to a person skilled in the art, that is, in the processes and "tricks of the trade" of the particular field of the inventions. This is a very important change in our present law. It brings our law into line with the more stringent standard of most of our major trading partners, and it should strengthen the Irish patent, and should increase considerably the presumption of validity of that patent, thereby enhancing the value of our patents system.

The definition of novelty in this part of the Bill is also taken from the European Patent Convention and is broadly in line with our existing law. The present arrangements for "dividing" an application are in essence continued in section 21, but the possibility of getting a "patent of addition" which was a possibility under the 1964 Act, will no longer exist.

The Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property, to which we are parties, makes provision for "priority", which is the system under which the date of filing of a first application in a contracting state, will be respected as the "priority date" in other contracting states provided the applications are filed in these other countries within 12 months of the date of filing of the first application. These provisions have always been part of our law and they are continued in the present Bill.

A further important change proposed in the law is that the new Bill will not provide for continuing the long-standing present system whereby applicants could file "provisional" and "complete" specifications. These specifications are being dispensed with and in future every specification must be the subject of a separate application and may proceed in its own right to grant or may serve as a basis for priority in respect of a later application, that is in the European Patents Office or in other countries.

Part V of the Bill provides for examination of an application to be carried out in two parts, namely, preliminary examination and substantive examination. Both of these examinations are on request and on compliance with certain conditions.

Another important change which it is proposed to make is that the patent term will be 20 years, and not 16 years as at present. Twenty years is the period provided in the European Patent Convention and apart from this the general consensus is that, because of the longer time which is necessary for the development of inventions in these modern times, the extension of the monopoly term is well justified.

The arrangements for appeal to the High Court from the controller's decisions remain essentially as at present.

Another section of the Bill to which I should perhaps refer is section 38, which extends the protection given by a patent to protection against indirect use. This provision will enable a patentee to stop third parties from deriving benefits from the invention without directly using it.

A further extension of our present law is provided by section 41 which gives certain protection to an application after it is published, thereby making the protection conferred by the patent, if granted, retroactive to the date when the application is published. This revision follows the general principles of the European Patent Convention.

Section 40 expresses a principle of equity, namely, the principle of "exhaustion of rights", which is new to Irish law, although it is a principle well known in foreign patent law. The section restricts the patentee's rights to the extent that the first sale in commerce of a patented product exhausts the patent monopoly and after such first sale he cannot restrict acts concerning that particular product. The section provides for such exhaustion of rights not alone after the product has been put on the market in the State but also after it has been put on the market in any other member state of the EEC and this accords with general principles of EEC law.

Section 42(3) in effect reflects another provision in the European Patent Convention which defines the extent of protection accorded by a patent. The section ensures that the criteria for the interpretation of claims of domestic and European patents will be the same and will be in harmony with the interpretation of claims in other contracting states.

The transition from the present law to the new law is catered for by the Second Schedule. In principle this replacement will not effect things done in the past. The schedule provides detailed provisions to cover the question of applications and patents in existence at the commencement of the new law.

I should perhaps add, for the information of Deputies, that, following the ratification of the European Patent Convention, which this Bill is designed to enable us to do, the next step will be to ratify another very important convention — the Convention of the European Patent for the Common Market, or the Community Patent Convention as it is called. It is our intention to proceed at a later date with ratification of this convention.

I recommend the principle of this Bill for approval by the House.

The introduction of this Bill has been the subject of some speculation, not amongst the public at large indeed but amongst people who are dealing directly in this very specialised field. The subject may be regarded, I suppose, as somewhat esoteric. However, one must say that the Bill before the House will have far-reaching effects and I am surprised that the Minister introducing the Bill spent more than half the time, four out of a six-and-a-half page statement, dealing with the provisions of the Bill without going in any great depth into the consequences the Bill may have on the existing situation.

These provisions will have significant effects on industry. They could have serious consequences for those directly involved in this specialised field, namely, the patent agents or "patent attorneys" as they are more correctly described. From the industrial point of view the position here is quite satisfactory. In making that statement in the light of what the Minister has said in relation to harmonisation and how better off we would be if this legislation were enacted, let me say that because of our size geographically, our market size, and our remoteness in world terms, people with entrepreneurial skills have been free in this country to manufacture what they liked. Because of what I have said in many instances inventors have not registered for patents in this country. The position that has obtained up to now is that Irish people with the kind of skills in entrepreneurial fields I have mentioned can avail of these inventions in a very simple manner because the protection applying where patents have been taken out in other countries has not obtained here. The kind of people about whom we are talking, who normally deal in seeking protection and taking out patents are in many cases large multinational companies. Because of the size of our country, the market here and so on, up to now at least these people have not bothered to seek protection in this country.

One must question the advisability of the introduction of this Bill at this time when one considers particularly the degree to which opposition has been expressed to its introduction at this time — I emphasise "at this time" and I will explain why later. In particular when one looks at the people and the groups who are expressing, and who have expressed, their vehement opposition to this Bill, one cannot but scratch one's head and ask oneself: why this Bill at this time? One finds that groups such as the Confederation of Irish Industry, the IIRS, the Irish Goods Council, added to which are the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, the Junior Chamber Ireland and the Association of Registered Patents Agents in this country, in one voice have all expressed the view that this Bill should not be introduced at this time. They have given very good reasons for that view.

When one examines the groups that have seen fit to express that opposition to the Bill one finds that some of them make very strange bedfellows indeed. It is good to see that they agree even on matters such as patents. But there is a common thread running through their opposition to this Bill. I would assume that everybody would see that the last association I mentioned, that of the Registered Patents Agents — because of their vested interest in this Bill, or in any legislation concerned with this area of activity — would take a more than casual interest in the Bill, and they have a perfect right to do so. I understand they represent four companies with something like 250 employees. While I have said that the opposition may have sprung from a vested interest, it would be unfair to them to leave it at that. While they have a vested interest, the submission they made on this subject goes far beyond their vested interest and obviously they are acting in what they see as the interests of industry and the country at large. Therefore, when one considers the groups of people who have expressed their opposition to this Bill — people like the CII, the ICTU, the IIRS, the Irish Goods Council — one must pose the question: why are these people creating such a hassle about this?

To outline the background in relation to the opposition expressed by the patents agents, or attorneys, to use the correct title, these people represent inventors in this country who are seeking patents through the normal channel of the Patents Office. These agents prepare detailed submissions. They are experts in this field and are the people who undertake that kind of thing. I should say also that the patent agents in this country also prepare submissions to the Patents Office in the same way on behalf of foreign applicants because, as matters stand at present, foreign applicants must make a specific application to the Irish Patents Office to seek protection in this country because we have not yet — that is until this Bill is enacted — come under the umbrella of the convention to which the Minister referred.

Therefore the patents agents in this country are no doubt delighted — it is part of their business — to handle the work of Irish in addition to foreign applicants. Under the provisions of the Bill now introduced foreign applicants need no longer apply to the Irish Patents Office. All they need do is apply to the European Patents Office designating this country as one in which they seek protection for their patent. If this Bill is passed they can go through Munich, which is the location of the European Patents Office, designating this country as one of the countries in which they seek protection and that is the end of the story so far as protection is concerned here, bypassing the current requirement of using the facilities of Irish patent agents, and ensuring the employment we all regard as a necessary element in our economic and industrial life.

The current level of applications is approximately 3,000 per annum. A significant factor in this is that something like 88 per cent of those 3,000 would be foreign applications. This Bill will now provide that foreign companies seeking patents need not go through Irish patent agents. The result will be a major lay off in jobs in the case of those employed by the four offices now operating in this country. As the Minister has said, the Bill will allow for the ratification of the European Patent Convention and, as he stated also, for the Community Patent Convention, under ministerial order, for which there is provision in the Bill. As things stand at present we and the Minister are obliged to adopt the European Patent Convention and it is not an EEC law. Section 128 of the Bill has provision for allowing adoption of that convention by ministerial order when we have no option then, if we are to be regarded as the good Europeans we have been in the past, we should adopt the Community Patent Convention and that would allow for a uniform registration system. The time has not yet come when we are obliged to do that.

The effect of the Bill will be to increase the number of patent applications. At present there are approximately 6,000 patents operating in this country covering a whole range of commercial and industrial technology. It is expected that the number of patent applications will probably treble or quadruple and some say will reach 50,000 or 60,000. The result of that will be that in many cases you will be cutting off Irish industry, which will fear infringing patents that are now foreign-owned but which they can use because this country has not been designated as a protected area. Denmark, Norway and Spain have not made the necessary changes in their legislation to adopt what we are now adopting, the European Patent Convention. I understand there are some constitutional problems in Denmark which are delaying adoption and it seems they are in no great hurry to bring their constitution into line to facilitate adoption of this convention.

Looking at the opposition which has been expressed by very responsible bodies, one must ask: why the introduction of this Bill at this time? The ICTU have said that they oppose ratification of the convention by the Government and intimated they would be conveying that view to the Minister and his Department. The Irish Goods Council have also expressed the view that it is now evident that we would not be serving our own best interests by applying either convention. The reality is that when the Community convention comes along we have no option, but we have the option now to defer action on the European convention. I understand that the Confederation of Irish Industry submitted a very detailed memorandum on the Patents Bill to the Government, which they seem to have ignored. The Institute for Industrial Research and Standards said that in their experience in dealing with the invention service sector within the institute the Government would be well advised not to go ahead at this time with this legislation.

To me there is only one logical explanation why this is happening now and it is that the Government seem to have succumbed to pressure being applied by certain sections of industry. It is very easy to nail down this sector to a very narrow field and here we are talking about the chemical and pharmaceutical multinational sector.

In The Irish Times of June 18 last their correspondent, Aidan O'Sullivan, wrote a very informative article in relation to the background of patents in this country and in relation to this Bill. Towards the end of the article he seemed to have made contact with the Federation of Irish Chemical Industries and, in reply to the question why were they pressing for a change in legislation, they said: “The view of the chemical and pharmaceutical industries in Ireland is that there would be much merit in Ireland ratifying the European Patent Convention particularly because the volume of international investment and its size dictates the necessity to acknowledge and protect industrial property rights.”

As regards protection of industrial property rights given as a reason for a change in legislation, I do not think we have anything to be ashamed of in that field. Patents in this country have been protected down the years where protection is sought where this country is designated as an area of protection. We have been party, as the Minister said, to international conventions and regulations since 1927 under the Paris Convention. So far as I know very few breaches of patent regulations have occurred and where they have — in the last few years we had one particular case — the company went to court and won its case. The Irish court found that these people were absolutely within their rights to seek protection from the courts and the courts guaranteed them that protection.

I referred to the multinational pharmaceutical and chemical industry, a very powerful lobby involved in large sums of money. Of course, large sums of money will be saved by them in relation to the registration of patents if they have the facility to make an application only to one authority, in this case the European Patents Office, instead of having to seek individual patents in each country where they wish their patents to be protected. It seems to me that now we are going under to this kind of pressure. It is nothing short of sinister that this is happening at this time. I have no qualms about supporting the Government where they are obliged to take legislative action because of a Community Convention based on Community law, but where there is not any need to do that at this time I believe we are doing a disservice to the Irish industrial sector. That sector has been enjoying certain freedoms, conferred on them by default more than anything else, but they will no longer be in that position because of the facility now being provided by an Irish Government. This facility will allow foreign applicants to make an application elsewhere the results of which will apply here. The Irish Parliament, for example, will not have any control. Our courts will not have any control over the activities of companies who can operate under the umbrella protection of an international agent or agency to give them a patent which will designate Ireland as one of the protected areas.

What danger is there in this? In theory one might say that there are dangers and in practice there are not that many. But when one considers our stance on certain subjects, and the production of certain products, one cannot but express the view that we should not allow ourselves to be pressurised into taking action we need not take. There is no law in the world that can pressurise us into taking the action which is proposed. I should like to give the House an example of what I am referring to. I have here an application by a multinational pharmaceutical firm to the European Patents Office. That firm sought protection in this country through the Irish Patents Office as far back as 1979 but was refused because of the nature of the product. We had the power to refuse the application under section 115 of the 1964 Act. The reason for the refusal was that this product, which shall be nameless, as shall the name of the company, possesses high activity as an abortifacient. The product is a derivative of a chemical product and may be used "to terminate pregnancy or to induce labour or parturition". It was also stated that it was a method of inducing abortion in a pregnant female mammalia host in need of such treatment, which comprises administering to said host an effective amount of the drug of the claim.

That quotation was taken from the submission prepared. The submission also stated: "Additionally, expulsion of an embryo or a fetus is accomplished by similar administration of the compound during the first or second trimester of the normal mammalian gestation period". In other words, we are talking about a product which is used as an abortifacient. The company concerned can, on the passage of this Bill, through the European Patents Office in Munich designate this country as a place where it seeks protection in relation to this product. It can be manufactured here and there is no control over its activities. That is only one example of what we are talking about. It may be an emotive and topical example but my party, and I am sure the Minister's party, have made it clear where they stand on issues such as this. The end result is that all this is very far removed from what was contained in a rather dismissive statement by the Minister to the House, that this was just a tidying-up job. He told the House that when the Bill was enacted and was in operation it would be possible for Ireland to join with other countries in ratifying the two international agreements referred to. That is so, but at the moment is it a good thing for us?

The implication in the Minister's speech is that by doing this tidying, by harmonising our legislation with that obtaining elsewhere, we are doing this country a great service. But, in fact, the reverse is the truth. I feel that the European Patent Convention need not and should not be adopted now. When the time comes to adopt the Community Patent Convention as part of Community law, where we have no option as a member of the Community but to adopt it, then I will say "yes". We are on the team and we must play the game. Going out of his way now producing this mammoth Bill with 130 odd sections and two schedules when, the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Tourism could be introducing much more effective legislation which would have some benefits for industry in this country is beyond me. I reiterate that the only reason I can see for doing so at this time is that the Government are under enormous pressure from some multinational lobbies in the pharmaceutical and medical sectors and they have succumbed to that pressure. There is no justification for this legislation at this time and I oppose it vehemently on these grounds.

This substantial Bill of about 74 or 75 pages, while one would think it is attempting to update the Act of 1964, goes quite a considerable way forward in many respects. I have reservations about the extent to which this Bill is going with regard to allowing a lot of people from outside Ireland to be able to apply at an international level for and obtain patents which would allow them to have a huge variety of items manufactured here in Ireland. This is an intricate and delicate matter, but I believe that the actual application to obtain a patent is relatively straightforward and simple. Applications are made to the Patents Office and the Department of Industry, Commerce and Tourism have a close liaison with the Patents Office. It is not a difficult application and Irish industrialists have had no problems whatsoever in making such applications. For any firm who wish to manufacture any type of item here in Ireland on an industrial level, textiles for instance, if a patent has already been taken out in respect of it in some other country it would be quite simple to take out such a patent here. Therefore, I do not see any immediate problem of any firm who have ideas at international level being prohibited therefrom. I am quite certain that any person who wishes to patent any item here in Ireland will get every help and facility required from the Patents Office.

Therefore, I am interested to know the reasoning behind our efforts at this stage to, as the Minister said in his speech, up-date our law to meet modern conditions. In my view our Patents Office have updated themselves and have been as forward-looking as any of our offices and at this stage to allow the importance of our Patents Office to be in any way diminished strikes me as being very strange. If we in our industries are in the process of inventing some projects — and our Irish industrialists have been as inventive at least as most people in other contries and in some instances they have been ahead of people in other countries — the protection that we can still obtain under the 1964 Patents Act is something that we should seriously consider retaining. If this Patents Bill, 1981, had been law before now we could have had a number of foreign industrialists patenting certain items here before our Irish industrialists would have had a chance to do so. Therefore, we are really giving a go-ahead to a lot of people from outside Ireland to come in and patent items about which research may be going on at present here in Ireland.

I have reservations about the Bill because of this aspect. I would like the Minister to think about this further. If an industrialist in Ireland tonight is in the process of patenting an invention, the Minister is allowing somebody from outside Ireland to come in and perhaps have a patent for such an item lodged, processed and taken up before the person in this country would have had an opportunity of doing so. I am sure the Minister has not really thought about the long-term implications of this. At present and for perhaps the next year or two this would cause serious problems and I ask the Minister to look into this a little more closely.

The second item that I would like to deal with is in Part VII of the Bill which deals with the effect of a patent and a patent application. Over the years I have met a number of Irish industrialists who have taken out patents for various items. Let us say that a person has taken out a patent for some kind of machine, the patent has been processed and the machine has been manufactured. I know of a number of firms with inventions of their own, some of them top-class inventions, and after a period other inventions not of the same quality but very similar were put on the market by other firms and in some instances the same price was being charged for them as for the original item. This has resulted in the original item, which was patented and manufactured very successfully, losing the prestige which was built up for it originally. That is touched on in Part VII of the Bill, but overall it is not sufficiently tightened up there. There are many problems in this area which are not sufficiently covered in the Bill. Some items which are later manufactured cause problems because they so closely resemble the original item. I hope the Minister can tighten this up. I believe the people who later manufacture those items are breaching the patent.

I would like to refer to an item which is patented in Ireland, manufactured here and later distributed here. In the case of some of those items an almost similar patent is taken out in England and on the continent. Some of those items have been closely associated with Ireland. Those items later come in branded as Irish but they have been manufactured outside Ireland. Perhaps the Bill could be tightened up to catch the people engaging in this sharp practice. There is no use in a person patenting an item in Ireland, manufacturing it here and then finding a foreign firm have patented the same item outside Ireland, set up a small section of their industry here, pretended that the items have been manufactured in Ireland when they have actually been manufactured outside the country.

We should try to protect our patents. If any firm outside Ireland wish to manufacture here they can have their particular items patented here. While there is a lot of procedure involved in patenting an item here I believe there is no problem for a successful industrialist. They can be assured that if a person from outside Ireland wishes to patent some item here he will get co-operation. We should proceed with caution in this regard or we could do harm to our Patents Office and the protection we have had. I would like the Minister to consider the matters I have mentioned.

I would like to thank Deputy O'Toole and Deputy Enright for their contributions. One could sum up what they have said in a few sentences. They accept that we have to come in line with our European partners and with international agreements in relation to this Bill but they do not accept that this is the time for us to introduce the Bill. We have heard for a long time the argument that Irish industry is operating in a relatively patent-free environment. This Bill is in the interests of Irish industry and we know there will be advantages and disadvantages. We are satisfied, however, that the overall benefits will outweigh the disadvantages.

Deputy O'Toole referred to objectors, the IIRS and the Irish Goods Council. It is not true to say they have objected. It is true that the CII opposed the Bill and that the patent agents have also objected. The agents are naturally worried but it is far from clear that their business will suffer. It may change but it must be remembered that the patent agents also handle trade marks, which are not touched by this Bill. Our main interest is Irish industry and we are satisfied there will be a net benefit to Irish industry. I include our main industry, agriculture, in that. We are satisfied that the Bill will be beneficial to Irish industry in general.

Could the Minister outline the benefits?

The Deputy has suggested we will now have opposition from outside and that the Patents Office will lose job opportunities. The position at the moment is that 80 per cent of our applications come from outside.

They will lose the processing of all those applications.

The Minister should be allowed continue without interruption.

As the Deputy knows we have undertaken to participate in international agreements and as far back as 1973, together with 14 other countries, we signed in Munich the Convention of European Patents. We cannot keep dragging our heels. We have to bring ourselves in line with our EEC partners. When we joined the EEC we had the same kind of fears expressed in relation to our industry and industrialists. At the time, we were told we would be wiped off the map but the demolition of tariffs has not killed industry. We find that our industrialists have geared themselves to compete. I believe now we should try to educate our people, get into this system and try to ensure that we will be able to hold our own with whatever competition we face from outside. We cannot sit back, and the Deputy knows it.

Would the Minister outline the benefits for industry and agriculture which he said are in the Bill? He has failed to outline them for me.

The Minister without interruption, please.

We have been in touch with CII, who objected, and we contacted the specific industries they mentioned, but we could only find a general sense of unease. There was nothing specific in the objection which would indicate that we were taking a wrong step in relation to this matter. The Deputy agrees that we will have to join the European system but how long does he think we should wait?

That is the Community convention which will come up in five or six years' time.

Would the Deputy accept that we should leave this for an indefinite period? I do not think we can wait. We have to honour international agreements we signed. Contrary to what Deputy O'Toole has been saying, our courts will have full authority to deal with infringement of European patents which designate Ireland. He mentioned abortifacients. I ask him to look at section 7, which says that a patent shall not be granted in respect of an invention if it is contrary to public law or morality. I would also ask him to look at section 6 regarding the patenting of abortifacients. While it may be that a patent could be obtained in Munich designating Ireland, the sale and distribution in Ireland would still be subject to criminal law. The point the Deputy made is covered by this legislation and we can still object to any of these things if they are brought in here.

They can be manufactured here.

Not if they are against the moral law, which is covered by section 7.

But the sale and distribution——

They would not manufacture them here when they cannot sell them. They are not that daft.

The points made by Deputy Enright in relation to modernisation were referred to in my introduction. Foreigners have the opportunity to get patents in Ireland and up to 80 per cent of the applications we get are from foreigners. We are not facing any problem there and I do not think we have anything to worry about on that score.

That covers the points raised by Deputy O'Toole and Deputy Enright.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 62; Níl, 42.

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Kit.
  • Allen, Lorcan.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Andrews, Niall.
  • Barrett, Sylvester.
  • Brady, Gerard.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Browne, Seán.
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Callanan, John.
  • Calleary, Seán.
  • Cogan, Barry.
  • Colley, George.
  • Flynn, Pádraig.
  • French, Seán.
  • Gallagher, Dennis.
  • Geoghegan-Quinn, Máire.
  • Haughey, Charles J.
  • Keegan, Seán.
  • Killeen, Tim.
  • Lawlor, Liam.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Leonard, Tom.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • Loughnane, William.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • McSharry, Ray.
  • Meaney, Tom.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Conaghan, Hugh.
  • Connolly, Gerard.
  • Coughlan, Clement.
  • Cowen, Bernard.
  • Crinion, Brendan.
  • Daly, Brendan.
  • Doherty, Seán.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Farrell, Joe.
  • Filgate, Eddie.
  • Fitzgerald, Gene.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom.
  • (Dublin South-Central).
  • Fitzsimons, James N.
  • Moore, Seán.
  • Morley, P.J.
  • Murphy, Ciarán P.
  • Nolan, Tom.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • O'Connor, Timothy C.
  • O'Donoghue, Martin.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond.
  • Reynolds, Albert.
  • Smith, Michael.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Walsh, Seán.
  • Wilson, John P.
  • Woods, Michael J.
  • Wyse, Pearse.

Níl

  • Barry, Myra.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Barry, Richard.
  • Begley, Michael.
  • Belton, Luke.
  • Bermingham, Joseph.
  • Boland, John.
  • Bruton, John.
  • Burke, John.
  • Collins, Edward.
  • Conlan, John F.
  • Corish, Brendan.
  • Cosgrave, Michael J.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Kieran.
  • D'Arcy, Michael J.
  • Deasy, Martin A.
  • Desmond, Barry.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Donnellan, John F.
  • Enright, Thomas W.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Fitzpatrick, Tom. (Cavan-Monaghan).
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hegarty, Paddy.
  • Horgan, John.
  • Keating, Michael.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • L'Estrange, Gerry.
  • Lipper, Mick.
  • McMahon, Larry.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Keeffe, Jim.
  • O'Toole, Paddy.
  • Pattison, Séamus.
  • Ryan, John J.
  • Ryan, Richie.
  • Taylor, Frank.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Treacy, Seán.
  • Tully, James.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Moore and Briscoe; Níl, Deputies L'Estrange and B. Desmond.
Question declared carried.
Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 26 May 1981.
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