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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 21 May 1981

Vol. 328 No. 17

Employers' Employment Contribution Scheme Bill, 1981: Second and Subsequent Stages.

I move: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of the Bill is to facilitate a scheme being funded by employers to help maintain employment in the textile, clothing, footwear and leather industries. The scheme represents a response by employers as a whole to the need to help these industries in the present temporary period of recession. The Bill enables employers to fund the scheme on the basis of a contribution of 0.2 per cent of their payroll for the contribution year running from 6 April 1981. Payment of the contribution is not an enforceable liability. The scheme will be administered by the Federated Union of Employers and the Confederation of Irish Industries, who will issue payments to eligible industries. The amount collected will be paid into an FUE/CII account, the State retaining a sum in respect of tax. It will amount to an estimated £6.5 million net of tax. The scheme will be temporary, lasting one year.

The scheme will provide for a payment of £5 per person employed per week in the eligible industries. The number of employees involved is over 25,000 in about 370 firms. Such a scheme, I believe, is a positive and praiseworthy response by employers as a whole to the problems being encountered by firms in the clothing, textiles, footwear and leather industries. These industries are basically viable, many of them having been restructured in recent years, but require temporary assistance if further redundancies are to be avoided. Deputies will be aware that a sectoral development committee representing employers, unions and the Government has recently been established and one of its tasks is to evaluate sectors which are experiencing particular difficulties at present in trying to expand, or maintain output, or to maintain employment. I believe that this evaluation will help in developing policies for the longer-term viability of many of our vulnerable industries.

There exists at present a wide range of structural assistance to industry, including the industries in question in this Bill. This includes:

—IDA grants for fixed asset investment in new undertakings, the expansion of existing ones and re-equipment;

—research and development grants; and

—loan guarantees and interest subsidies on funds borrowed to finance fixed assets.

The ICC also provides a range of loan facilities for industry. Under the second national understanding, the Government are committed to an intensification of services to improve the structural capacity of existing firms to compete in changing market conditions. The objectives of all of these provisions is to provide for the continued strengthening of our industrial base, so that industry can become more competitive and thus help create sustained employment opportunities. This employers' scheme — representing a solidarity approach on their part to the problems of these industries — will complement the Government's efforts to encourage industrial expansion and to maintain employment.

I commend the Bill to the House.

I would like to welcome this Bill. This measure will be of benefit to industries which, as the Minister has stated, are vulnerable and indeed have been vulnerable and ailing for some time. The Minister said that a sectoral development committee is in existence to establish what industries are in difficulties and to evaluate what can be done to benefit them. This Bill does just that. It comes at a time when we are talking about a general election, possibly later on today. It is unfortunate that it did not come before now because it is well known that the industries involved — textiles, clothing and footwear in particular — did not have to wait for the sectoral development committee to report to the Government on the state they are in. They have been in dire trouble for a long time, not only here but elsewhere. They have been very sluggish. The general degree of capacity utilisation in industry for the month of February this year, for example, had dropped to 60.8 per cent, which means that 40 per cent of capacity was not being used. It is even higher in these industries and has been for some time. For that reason I feel that, while this is a welcome measure now, it ought to have been introduced before now.

A table in the CII Newsletter of 17 March 1981 shows the imports into the UK from this country of textiles, clothing and footwear. We find that in the area of textiles there is a minus 3.4 per cent. We are dropping — clothing minus 5 per cent and footwear minus 8.8 per cent — when at the same time these industries importing into the UK from other countries show an increase into that market. For some time we have been losing ground on the UK market which has been our major market. We are losing ground consistently to other sources of exports. This measure is all the more welcome for that reason. Its only fault is that it is coming somewhat late. Because of the timing of its introduction it may be seen as an election gimmick, although I do not say that it is. To the people who will benefit, it is far from an election gimmick. I hope that the benefits accruing to this sector who have been in trouble will result in an improvement in their performance in productivity and in the export markets where we have been losing ground. I welcome the Bill and feel that the beneficiaries will also welcome it.

Perhaps the Minister will give some indication before the Bill goes through the House as to what extent the £6.5 million will benefit industries in relation to the amount of turnover or input needed to provide the necessary fillip for them. How many jobs will this maintain or how many new jobs will it create? In what way will this benefit these industries, and will the Minister also quantify this benefit?

The Labour Party welcome this Bill in so far as it will give some temporary relief to these four major industries. However, it is long overdue that Dáil Éireann should review the extent to which the Government can and should provide long term direct assistance.

The main reason why the Government brought such pressure on the employers in the sectoral areas to respond to the difficulties of the textile, clothing and footwear industries was the unprecedented appearance at the recent Fianna Fáil Ard-Fheis of highly entrepreneurial individuals who stood outside the Ard-Fheis and, to the amazement of delegates, handed out leaflets from the textile sector of the Confederation of Irish Industry. The Fianna Fáil delegates are a notoriously hardbitten lot, as are delegates of most parties, but that hand-out took them aback and they began to wonder what was happening to the industrial policy of their party. Arising from that, the flurry within the Cabinet in recent weeks and the pressures on the Government to do something about the difficulties in these key industries, the Government have belatedly come in here with this temporary relief measure.

When other relief measures were going through the House during the past three or four years the Minister for Finance assured us that there was absolutely no problem with the Community and with Brussels, in terms of giving this type of relief. From 1973 to 1977, when we made valiant efforts to bring in direct assistance to these areas, we were berated by Fianna Fáil because we pointed out that the Commission had considerable reservations about the extent of State aid generally and regulations against distortion of competition. At long last a small effort has been made after a great deal of redundancy has occurred in the textile, clothing and footwear industries. It is remarkable on the last day of the Dáil, before what one might call the nondescript experience of the past four years goes into happy oblivion as far as the parliamentary record is concerned, that in terms of legislation these sectors should have received such little support from this Government despite the many and manifest difficulties which they have been facing. The Taoiseach at one stage was inclined to give direct assurances of personal and public commitment and support for these industries, but what is the record of the Government? Today we have a belated effort after the termination of the employment maintenance subsidy, after the termination of the re-equipment grants scheme and the technical assistance consultancy grants scheme. It points very clearly to the tremendous lack of cohesion and co-ordination within the front bench of the Fianna Fáil Party. Perhaps that is excusable in the sense that they had so many Ministers for Labour and Finance over the past two or three years that even the IPA Diary had gone out of print before it was properly circulated in 1981.

Most Ministers on that Front Bench, as I have observed over the past four years, take about five or six months to get any idea of what the problems are in those sectors, to get any conception of the problems, and then by the time they are settled into their Departments another upheaval occurs and off we go to another area. That is the reason why we have this morning this ad hoc response by way of a Bill dragged through the Dáil at the very last moment to enable the Government to face the workers in the textile and allied industries with the prospect of giving them some indirect temporary assistance.

This Bill is but another example of the primacy in the Government's approach, the primacy of public relations over policy, over industrial relations, and over industrial development initiatives in the Government's economic management of the country. I know many of these industries in my capacity as a trade union official over the years. I have visited and met individual sectors of the textile, clothing and apparel industry. I had an opportunity on many occasions of visiting these plants and I strongly hold the view that these industries must be actively supported and lifted out of the relegation zone to which they have apparently been consigned by the Government. They employ some 20 per cent of our total manufacturing work force. That is substantial by any yardstick. They contribute more than £400 million per annum to our industrial exports. They are very strong in the provision of employment for women. That is of considerable importance. Up to the early fifties Irish women were exploited in these industries. They still have not got equal pay in many areas but despite that the industries provide suitable employment. They provide opportunities for women and that is of considerable importance in a time of recession.

Since 1977 when this Government took office many jobs have unfortunately been lost in various sections of this industry. It is remarkable that despite the relative success of the IDA's job creation programme unemployment in these specific areas has suffered because of lack of attention by the Government. It was this frustration which led these labour-intensive industries to the unprecedented action by the CII apparel industries group of handing out leaflets at the recent Fianna Fáil Ard-Fheis condemning the sellout of their interest by the Taoiseach, Deputy Haughey, and his Government. In that leaflet he was named as a man who had clearly given certain definite assurances to the industry. I would be the first to concede that these industries have experienced unique problems in the transition to free trade during the seventies. We have now had two recessions in that period. We have had severe domestic inflation, particularly wage and cost rise inflation, and these have compounded the problems facing these industries. Some commentators are critical of these sectors for their alleged inefficiency. I do not share that view today though I would have shared it in the sixties. Today most of these industries are quite efficient. They have a real sense of entrepreneurial endeavour. They board an Aer Lingus plane and head off to Frankfurt, Paris, London and New York to sell on the open international competitive market Irish textiles, Irish apparel, Irish styles and designs, all the products of an indigenous Irish industry.

Again, I have seen this kind of work done in the Irish footwear sector. Certainly I do not accept the view that those sectors are getting this kind of assistance this morning simply because of inefficiency. I would not accept that view though some other sectors might be inclined to that view. I believe they can compete at home and in the export market provided they get a fair deal not just from the Government but also from the domestic consumer. If one goes into a textile retail outlet or footwear or apparel outlet one can readily see that Irish industry does not always get a break because of competition with cheap subsidised imports. To that extent there is a double-barrelled problem the solution of which requires help from the State and obliges the distributive sector to give priority to these goods.

So far as this Bill goes I am pleased to support the measure to help these people through this temporary period of difficulty. However I also hold the view strongly that the State should have endeavoured to double what is being offered here this morning. In this atmosphere of electoral Dutch auctioneering which is about to start, this might be regarded as another election carrot. It is not because I wrote my script for this morning about five weeks ago when I was considering the problems facing these industries and after I had met a number of their representatives I held the view then that about £10 per week per employee for the restoration of the employee maintenance scheme for a further period should be introduced for eligible firms. The total amount involved here, which is of course paid by the employers, is £6.5 million.

If one adds up all the other sums over the past few months — £15 million yesterday for building society mortgages, £50 million for the ESB on the basis that they will not implement until after the election, probably in October or November, the 12 per cent increase the Government refused to sanction, £7 million or £8 million for CIE and the refusal of the concessionary fares, £30 million for food subsidies. £30 million for first time house grants — then out of a total package of some £150 million so far £6.5 million is directly employment-related. This is a significant indication of the attitude of the Government towards what one might call industrial job maintenance and protection. The building societies subsidy will keep many people in employment and give temporary relief to mortgage holders.

Then there is the £50 million for the ESB which will be funded by foreign borrowing, probably in petrol dollars to make it even more costly, and the £30 million for house purchase. Already, as chairman of Dublin County Council, I have seen the way this has been interpreted by builders. Houses in Clondalkin advertised for £23,500 are now being re-advertised for £27,500. The builder is putting the £3,000 into his back pocket and saying: thank you very much. He will probably give £1,000 to the Fianna Fáil Party as an election contribution, if he has not already done so, because, of course, with a scheme of 40 or 50 houses, he can afford to off-load that kind of political contribution. I contend that the analogy of the £6,500,000 in terms of assistance to these areas of severe difficulty in employment is reasonably apt.

If one is really serious about wanting to help these industries one must do a number of things. On balance I would suggest that one should consider four or five major areas of change. There is, first of all, the restoration of the employment maintenance subsidy for a further period at a level of £10 per week per employee to eligible firms. Secondly, there is the restoration of the re-equipment grants scheme for selected sectors of industry experiencing special difficulty, the textiles and apparel sectors in particular. Thirdly, I would suggest that active and urgent negotiations be pursued with the European Commission, through the Council of Ministers of the EEC, to ensure that the multifibres agreement which is to be renegotiated later this year will take fully into account the special problems with which the Irish textiles and apparel industries are confronted. In particular the new multifibres arrangement should incorporate a recession clause so that imports into the EEC are not given a guarantee of a growing market in Europe when aggregate demand falls within the EEC. Similarly I would suggest that the new multifibre arrangement must deal effectively with the problems raised by outward processing so that the abuses emanating from this under the last arrangement are not perpetuated in the years ahead.

While the Labour Party advocate an enlightened and progressive policy in the development of world trading links, the interests of all labour-intensive industries must be protected by a balanced approach to this question. A one-sided or narrow approach will be inimical to the long-term development of trade between member countries of the Community, such as Ireland and the developing countries.

I would suggest again to the Minister that our Commissioner should also be fully briefed on this issue. I do not know what the former Minister for Finance is now doing in Brussels. I gather he is looking after the library there, trying to keep a register of personnel, but it might be useful if he were to——

Just a caretaker librarian like his caretaker job here for the last few years.

I would suggest that it would be no harm at all for us to ask the Irish Commissioner to contact the Commissioner for Industry over there, and seek his aid in giving a boost to Irish industry. Our Commissioner does not have to face the rigours of North Tipperary in the election this time so he might as well earn a crust or two in the national interest while he is avoiding that delightful prospect in the next few weeks.

He did not face anything in the last few years.

The Irish people and the Houses of the Oireachtas could at least expect that much by way of sympathy. He must certainly be looking at the current political scene with wry amusement.

Like the man who bagged the only life boat on the ship and rowed away while the rest sank beneath the waves.

Well, I do not live in my constituency but I am a constituent of Deputy Kelly which pleases me enormously.

Is Deputy Desmond going to vote for him?

The Deputy will be hearing from me.

The Deputy will get a transfer.

The Deputy means that his man will be eliminated.

There are certainly other areas in which we could usefully assist these industries. Within the Department of Industry, Commerce and Tourism there is need for a planning and development unit relating to these sectors. Such a unit should work in close consultation with the management and trade unions concerned in formulating a programme for industrial expansion in those areas. Because the textiles, footwear and clothing industries are small they are not very spectacular. We have the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Tourism running around the country talking about the microchip. We have become so microchip- and technology-conscious in our industrial development that we fail to appreciate that perhaps 30 or 40 workers in a textile, clothing or footwear factory, using conventional technology and well known methods, can also produce commodities of enormous value to the State in the line of exports. Within the Department of Industry, Commerce and Tourism there is need, as there was in the sixties, for greater liaison with those industries.

The fifth suggestion I would make is that the structure of State financial incentives available to the labour-intensive sector should be reviewed so as to enhance their applicability and working capital requirements to these areas.

Finally I would suggest that a review panel be established by the Minister for Industry, Commerce and Tourism which would include representation from the labour-intensive industries and distributive sector which would keep under continuing review the purchasing trends on the home market — in relation to domestically-produced and imported textiles, clothing and footwear — and the effectiveness of customs and excise controls as they affect labour-intensive industries here within the framework of EEC legislation and controls and within the terms of the multifibre agreement. I would suggest further that that review panel report at regular intervals to the Minister on such matters bearing on those questions calling for attention by the Government or the European Commission.

I hope the suggestions I make this morning will be regarded as constituting a programme of special assistance to labour-intensive industries in Ireland. I hope they will be accepted as reflecting a realistic appreciation of the importance we must attach to these industrial sectors if we are to make any progress in the solution of our critical unemployment problems. We must think not just as politicians but also at State level more creatively and work harder than ever before to create jobs for the unemployed, school leavers and those currently undergoing training. We must look for new job creation in all industrial sectors through indigenous as well as foreign investment. Therefore it must be right that we concentrate some of our development resources in supporting and developing these industries which make the greatest contribution to the employment of our people.

Accordingly I support this Bill. As the Minister is aware, Deputy O'Toole and I have agreed to let all Stages through this morning. We hope that the joint FUE-CII account can be set up in the very near future and the money disbursed to the firms in need. These are our views and we support the Minister on the Second Reading of this Bill.

I welcome the Bill like my colleague, Deputy O'Toole. It is certainly original legislation in so far as we have here a Bill which shows commitment from employers to employers in trouble, so to speak. Of course, it is also a reflection of the pathetic efforts of the present Government in regard to industry in general. Companies pay their taxes and the Government have the primary responsibility of maintaining and encouraging employment and ensuring that firms prosper. It is an indictment that we have in our country at the moment an employment level in excess of 125,000 and there is in this House this morning an admission by the Government that now over 25,000 employees are in danger of losing their jobs. We are talking, therefore, in very starkly depressing terms in relation to the state of our economy when we may be facing an unemployment level of 150,000, which is extremely serious.

The inaction of the present Government is extraordinary. I quote from the Minister's speech:

Deputies will be aware that a sectoral development committee representing employers, unions and the Government has recently been established.

It has only recently been established. I remember in the last decade and in the sixties when I was a student that the CII reports clearly identified sectoral problems in industry. Yet it has taken up to 1981 for the Government to grasp the reality and to set up another committee to look at the problems in industry which had already been clearly identified by a number of experts. It is only a window-dressing exercise by the Government that they should establish another committee.

As an aside, I recall reading the recently published Government White Paper on educational development. It is not a White Paper at all; it is a Green Paper. That White Paper set up at least 13 committees to review problems in the educational sector which everyone knows existed in the educational system for God knows how long.

And there will be a task force behind every one of them.

In the last few years the Government have been involved in a massive window-dressing exercise of very little benefit in real terms to the economy. The reason that these firms are now in trouble stems not so much from the fact that they were long established, because since we joined the EEC these firms have made solid steps forward in their own areas. The real reason they are in trouble is that this Government have failed in one of their major tasks, which is to control inflation. This Government have failed miserably and totally to take inflation in hand and control it and to bring the economy into control. They have failed to bring their own finances under control. Last year to mid-February they had an inflation rate of 21 per cent.

Could the Deputy come back to the Bill now, please?

I am referring to the reasons why these 370 firms giving employment to over 25,000 workers are in trouble and the reasons that this Bill is in this House today. The primary reason is that the inflation rate in our economy is the second highest in the EEC and is causing terrible damage to the cause of economic expansion in this country. These firms in particular suffer more from this high level inflation than other more competitive industries. Last year's inflation rate was another nail in their coffin and the outlook for this year's inflation rate of 18-20 per cent would mean that in two years the rate of inflation will have increased by 40 per cent. That is an extraordinary rate of inflation which is sure to damage industries throughout this country. It is the present Government's inaction and inability to govern over the past four years which has led to the high unemployment rate in our country and the high rate of inflation which is doing such damage to our industry. The direct damage is being caused by the Government's inability to govern this country.

I would like to refer to a particular industry which affects my own constituency, Irish Leathers Limited, who have factories in Dungarvan and Portlaw and also in Carrick-on-Suir just outside my constituency. That firm have for the past two or three years been trading under very difficult circumstances. They have already closed their factory in Gorey, County Wexford and their accounts published recently make depressing reading and show that the company continue to have serious trading difficulties. The reasons for the serious trading difficulties are as follows. First is the high inflation rate under which they are trying to trade. Because of the very narrow profit margins in the competitive industry in which they work these infaltion rates have meant that the company have lost considerable moneys, especially in the last two years. I would say that the company are in danger. The second reason is imports into the EEC from third countries of raw and processed leather. The EEC Commission have taken no steps whatsoever to stop the dumping of raw leather into the EEC markets. I am extremely disappointed that they have not dealt with this aspect of this industrial problem. There should be a ban or a restraint on the import from third countries of leather or hide until such time as this industry gets on its feet again. It is the present Government's lack of commitment and lack of force in putting the Irish position to the EEC Commission that has caused this industry to suffer through these importations from third countries. I suggest to the Minister that a special case be made for the leather industry which is giving employment in my constituency to between 600 and 700 people potentially. It is important that people realise that the industry is in trouble and that the Government realise this also and take steps to secure the employment in a county which has suffered severely from the present recession.

The moneys involved here are not adequate. A subsidy of £5 a week is insufficient. I feel, like the last speaker, that the Government should have topped it up by an equal contribution to the scheme which would allow £10 a week subsidy to be paid per employee. I believe the scheme is inadequate to meet the needs of the industries concerned.

The reintroduction of the employment maintenance scheme was referred to by the last speaker. I certainly would support the reintroduction of that scheme for the employees in the textile industries, the clothing, footwear and leather industries. I would like the Minister to explain in detail his statement today that payment of the contribution is not an enforceable liability. I also want a detailed explanation how the FUE and the CII will determine which companies benefit from the payment. Will all companies in the industries concerned receive this subvention? What criteria will the FUE and CII use in examining each company? Will it be based on the production of accounts or will there be selectivity in the administration of the scheme? If there is selectivity it is very important that the scheme is administered equitably and without bias. I have no reason to believe that the FUE and CII would not have a neutral approach to which companies receive the subvention. It is important that the House receives an assurance that the distribution of the funds is on an equitable basis, that there will not be any political bias in the distribution of those funds or that there will not be any interference by the Government in relation to the distribution of the funds to the firms concerned.

The Government have failed to ensure the prosperity of our industries in general. We are today recognising that over 25,000 more jobs are in jeopardy. This is a result directly of the Government's mismanagement of the economy and mishandling the affairs of the nation. Thankfully, we will have a general election soon, the sooner the better and the sooner the people will have a change of Government.

I give the Bill an unreserved welcome. It is an excellent Bill. Anything which goes to help save the jobs of at least 1,000 people in my constituency will get my support. The word "originality" was used with regard to the fund, but I do not believe it is original. I believe it is a substitute for schemes we had in the past, specifically the one which was introduced by the National Coalition Government, when Deputy Michael O'Leary was Minister for Labour, the employment incentive scheme, which was later replaced by the Employment maintenance scheme. A further fund was set up under the 1980 national understanding discussions under the aegis of the tripartite committee. Some money was allocated for the type of relief which is being given under this Bill.

I believe the employment incentive scheme had to be abandoned because it was illegal under EEC regulations. We will back the Minister to the hilt if he can get away with this type of support for ailing industries. I was surprised by the Minister's statement that there are actually 25,000 jobs in the clothing, textile, footwear and leather industries. No industry has taken such a hammering during the last ten years as those. There have been huge job losses in those industries. We all expected this. Those industries were guarded because of our protection policies over the years and we knew a lot of them would not stand up to open competition. I am glad that 30 per cent of them have stood up to this competition. We would be very glad if the Minister by this scheme could keep those industries going indefinitely.

The FUE and the CII should be congratulated for supporting their brethren in those ailing industries. However, the Minister stated that the amount collected will be paid into an FUE/CII account and the State will retain a sum in respect of tax. How could anybody tax a rescue operation? How could such a worthwhile venture be taxed? Does the tax man have to get his pound of flesh out of everything, even a rescue mission? This seems incredible. I would like an explanation from the Minister about this. We have seen the pendulum swing in this area of industry over the past ten years. We welcome the transfer from a policy of protectionism to an open market, but the openness of the market is open to question. Surely free trading should be limited to within the EEC? I agree with what Deputy Collins said in this respect. We have not been vigilant enough in stopping third country imports, particularly in the clothing and textile sector. If the French market is threatened, if the French sheep farmers feel that lamb from Ireland or Britain will affect their prices, they clamp down and to hell with EEC regulations. They have a very mé féin attitude when it suits them. If it is cheap wine from Italy, they put up the shutters and do not mind breaking EEC regulations. We apparently are the good guys of Europe. If jobs are at stake here we do not fight sufficiently hard to retain them. There are times when we should be prepared to kick the traces and break the rules.

What about the £62 million from the social fund?

That is what politics is about. We cannot be browbeaten or threatened.

Deputy Deasy is threatening to break EEC regulations.

We should assert ourselves and should be tougher.

When the Minister was in Opposition he wanted us to declare a 50 mile exclusive fishery limit.

Deputy Deasy on the Bill without interruption.

There are two sides to every story. If a German or a Frenchman says that industries in my constituency will close down because we are contravening EEC regulations, I will tell him to run off. We should adopt that attitude a little more. I saw a series of figures in The Irish Times last year showing the number of times each member State of the EEC had broken the rules. There was good old Ireland, the champion, the bottom of the league. We had broken the rules fewer times than any other country. We should adopt a little more protectionism in cases like this, because if we had done so some of these industries might not have gone to the wall, they might even have been saved.

We have been flooded by cheap clothing and textile produced from countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea where labour costs are very low and the Japanese have the audacity to put under "Country of Manufacture""Déanta i Japan"— I do not know if Roinn na Gaeltachta give them a grant to put that on their products with the result that many good businesses have gone to the wall. This is where we should have made our stand in the EEC. We have not been sufficiently tough.

In my constituency of Waterford there are 1,000 jobs in the leather industry at stake. Two years ago there were 1,400, but 400 jobs have been lost — 200 by the closure of the factory in Gorey, County Wexford, and 200 by redundancies in Dungarvan and Portlaw. We want to see those jobs retained at all costs, irrespective of whether it is in contravention of EEC regulations, because it is the only leather industry in this country. If it goes to the wall we will not have a native tanning industry, and for an agricultural country producing an enormous number of hides that would be a disaster. We have seen this almost happen in the timber processing sector. We are growing millions of acres of forest but we do not have any timber processing facilities.

It could happen that Irish Leathers would be in jeopardy. They have been in financial difficulties over the past two or three years and I hope this scheme will see them out of these troubles. The Government have an obligation to save those jobs at any cost. It would cost far less to save them than it is costing to save other failing industries which have been discussed here in the last week or so.

There was a time when South American countries exported unprocessed hides. That stopped about five or six years ago because they got wise and realised the value of these raw materials. The exportation of unprocessed hides from Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina stopped. That meant the world market for unprocessed hides was very restricted and foreign buyers, whether from eastern or western Europe, came to Ireland and competed for the available hides. The result was predictable. Prices rocketed. Two years ago hides which had previously fetched as low as £2 or £3 each suddenly fetched £36. The Irish tanning industry found it impossible to compete and their financial viability came into question. It was a very dangerous period for them, and I am glad they have survived. Their survival was due largely to the aid they got under the employment incentive scheme.

In the interim, the position has ration-alised and hides are now fetching £5, £7 or £8. The position has improved but we could go back to the state where the open market could result in prices rocketing. The British and Germans foresaw what would happen in South America and they did not let the grass grow under their feet. Admittedly many tanneries in France, Germany and Britain went to the wall because of the limitations in the number of hides available on the free market, but the far-seeing British and Germans went to the Argentine, Brazil and Uruguay, set up their own tanneries and brought back the finished leather to Europe. Those firms did not suffer unduly, although they may have lost some jobs, but they were getting their hides and finished leather as cheaply as ever — they circumvented the type of difficulty the Irish tanning industry experienced — and because of the large numbers employed in those industries, unlike the Irish tanning industry, they could absorb a certain amount of unemployment.

I am asking the Minister to bear in mind that the leather industry is not in a good condition and because of world trends it could suffer further. As I said, we have lost 400 jobs; we are now down to 1,000 jobs. Waterford is probably the place which has been hardest hit by unemployment. Yesterday I asked the Taoiseach for the unemployment figures in Waterford in April 1977 and April 1981. During that period, there has been a 33? per cent increase in unemployment in my constituency. This must be the highest increase in the country. It is imperative that existing jobs be protected at any cost. I am asking that the leather industry especially be protected. The Minister is doing a good job in bringing in this Bill and I look forward to his continued support for aiding such industries.

I would like to thank all the Deputies who contributed for their welcome of this Bill but, due to the fact that we will have a general election within the next 12 months, it is only natural that Deputies will refer to other matters.

Most speakers mentioned the delay in bringing in this Bill to aid what are called sensitive industries and pointed out that State aid is not allowed under EEC regulations. This is a fact of life. While Deputies may say that we should break international law, it is not good for any Government to break international laws or international agreements. For that reason I want to put on record how grateful we are to industry, particularly the CII and the FUE, for their decision to fund this scheme so that the textile, leather, footwear and clothing industries will be subsidised. As I mentioned, there are 25,000 jobs in the 370 firms in these industries. As far as I am aware, there will not be any redundancies in those industries and this scheme is being introduced to maintain those jobs.

Very often we have heard it said it would be a good thing if we had some fund to subsidise workers' wages. We have heard it at public meetings and we have heard it said in the House that there should be some kind of subsidy fund to prevent redundancies in industry. I am sure every Deputy in the House has heard it said that such a scheme would be better than to have social welfare benefits being paid to redundant workers.

Deputy Collins spoke of the 125,000 unemployed. I have never denied that, either in the House or outside. I said it at the Ard Fheis. However, I should like to put another figure on the record. From 1977 to 1980 the total number of people in employment has increased by 80,000. Deputy O'Toole suggested that this Bill is an election gimmick——

I pointed out the danger that it might be tagged as an election gimmick.

We would not even think of suggesting such a thing.

We will have an election within the next year or so, but the delay in this case has been because of the protracted negotiations with the FUE and CII in order to get a scheme that would not be contrary to EEC regulations. Deputy Collins remarked on the deduction of tax from the total amount being paid by industry towards the fund. The Commission have made it quite clear that this could not be done. If industry did not pay this money to the State, tax would be paid on it and that tax money would be received by the Revenue Commissioners. The figure mentioned is £6.5 million. As far as I am aware, it is a net figure. The gross figure would be in the region of £8 million. The tax content of that £8 million, when used in the way this Bill proposes, is a State aid to the maintenance of employment.

Deputies asked why we did not double up the amount the employers will pay so that there would be greater wage supplement. The reason we asked employers to fund this scheme is because under EEC regulations we cannot pay direct State money towards this object. As Deputies are probably aware, the fund is being administered by the employers.

Many of the matters raised were not strictly relevant to the Bill. For instance, housing would not arise on it. Some other matters raised would be more appropriate to the Department of Industry, Commerce and Tourism. I thank the Deputies who sincerely welcomed the Bill, and the FUE and the CII for their willingness to fund this scheme from their finances. The object is to prevent redundancies in the short term.

The Minister has suggested that this is not an enforceable liability.

That is so. It is being funded by the employers and the Deputy will notice that we do not include provisions from social welfare legislation. This is a voluntary contribution.

The Minister expects full co-operation?

Yes. The working out of the scheme caused some delay.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment and passed.
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