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Wednesday, 4 Nov 1981

Vol. 330 No. 7

Finance (No. 2) Bill, 1981: Second Stage (Resumed).

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Before moving the adjournment yesterday evening I had been referring to the situation regarding the infamous £9.60 that was promised to the women of Ireland by Fine Gael during the election campaign. At that time Fine Gael ensured that they would not clarify the position with the result that the impression was created that most women would benefit from this provision. However, within days of the election the women knew that only the wives of PAYE workers would be in a position to benefit from this payment. They realised also that the provision would not be implemented until 1982 and with an inflation figure of about 25 per cent the payment will be worth about £7.60 by then. The wives of farmers will not benefit from the provision, neither will the wives of men in receipt of unemployment benefit or assistance or the wives of disabled persons or of those on DPMA from the health boards. The proposal is divisive in that it differentiates between the wives of one section of the community and another. There are serious doubts as to whether the Government will be able to implement the provision at all because of the opposition of the Inspectors of taxes who are not prepared now to implement this programme unless there is an increase in the staff which in this Bill under discussion has been banned from July 1981. There seems to be some question as to whether this provision will be implemented.

When the wife of a PAYE worker goes into her local grocery store she can cash her cheque for £9.60 there for goods or she can go with it to the pharmacy for other items which would be luxury items. The wife of the farmer, disabled or unemployed person would not be in a similar position of having this possible extra purchasing power. Our society, God knows, has enough divisions without this one brought about by the incompetence of the Coalition Government. They initiated this proposal, which is one of the most divisive proposals ever put forward by any Government.

I want to refer again to the advertisements because they will be regarded as historical documents in time. When I read the misleading statements contained in those advertisements I wonder about the credibility of the advertising agencies who were prepared to work along with the Fine Gael Party to mislead the Irish people, particularly Irish women. One advertisement says, "Women deserve better" and then goes on about these benefits. Certainly women deserve better than this £9.60 per week for some sections of the community. Since the Government are on this course and have made this proposal they should at this stage revise and review their whole position in relation to this allowance. In fairness and equity they must consider some provision which will permit a similar allowance to be given to the working wives of farmers and others who are staying at home. Surely in fairness and justice these wives have a right to receive the equal of what is given to the wife of someone on PAYE. As I stated during the election campaign, this was the greatest three-card trick ever exploited during an election campaign and surely it is seen now for what it is. If the Government implement this scheme they should do so on an equitable basis right across the board and give women fairness and equality. Furthermore, the £9.60 will not be worth £9.60 in 1982 but rather about £7.60 in today's value. It should be boosted to equal the amount promised during the election campaign.

Unemployment is the most serious problem in this country today. The Government should concentrate now on the creation of jobs. I challenge them to state whether they have created one job anywhere in this State since they assumed office in July. As far as I can see they have not created any employment. In their campaign they promised us that they would give priority to the provision of employment for our young people and for the thousands in the State unemployed at present. Instead we find that where the Government have direct involvement in the creation of employment they have decided to close the Tuam sugar factory in County Galway in 1982 with a loss of 280 jobs. That is some job creation programme. When the Taoiseach, Deputy FitzGerald, went to Tuam and met the chamber of commerce he informed them that he would not be assuming office as Taoiseach to close factories but to open factories. But what does he do when he comes into power? With the Minister for Agriculture, Deputy Dukes, he sets about the destruction of one of the finest industries in the west, the greatest creator of employment and wealth over the years. The Tuam factory has been giving direct employment to 280 people, part-time employment to roughly 300 people and indirect employment to 1,000 farmers in the whole region who relied on the production of beet for extra funds. That is evidence of the Government's inability to create employment.

In The Sunday Press of 24 May 1981 under a photograph of this so-called honest politician, Deputy Garret FitzGerald, in a section headed “Jobs” we read, and I quote:

Special drive to reduce costs for manufacturing, tourism and transport will create jobs by making products competitive.

What do we find? We find a budget which increases VAT and petrol costs and brings back the tax on cars. All that certainly is against the spirit of the statement in this election programme by Fine Gael. I remind the Taoiseach of the scurrilous campaign in which they attacked us from 1977 to 1981 in relation to our magnificent manifesto which we implemented to the letter, page by page, as quickly as possible after we assumed office in 1977. Never in the history of this State have so many promises been broken so quickly by any administration as by the present one. They must have the record on that. Under the same heading they promised:

All out attack on inflation to produce real jobs.

Inflation is increasing at a rate that has not been equalled since the Coalition were in power from 1973 to 1977. Further on the statement says:

Concentrating Public investment in productive areas.

We find the withdrawal of investment from semi-State organisations. Those misleading statements were made during the campaign. Now the chickens are coming home to roost when the Coalition Government are prepared to close a major industry in the west which is creating worthwhile employment.

Throughout the country there are many other instances of cutbacks by the Government, including, unfortunately, the closure of many industries. The Government themselves have members who are aware personally of the difficulties now being experienced by manufacturing industries as a result of the inflationary policies of the Government. The deputy leader of Fine Gael, Deputy Peter Barry, is aware of the closure of the Kinsale textile factory in County Cork with a loss of 30 or 40 jobs and he is aware of the inflationary facts which have led to this closure. This again is evidence of the inability of the Government to cope with the unemployment situation. At this stage action is needed and should be taken. The many schemes which we brought about should be expanded and brought up to present day costings. I refer specifically to the Youth Employment Scheme which we introduced in 1977 and which created short-term employment for many young people who were unemployed then and who now have worthwhile jobs. The work experience programme which is being operated by the National Manpower service should be increased from six months, as it operates at present, to 12 months and the actual allowance should be increased from £20 per week to £40 per week to allow for inflation. That is the type of programme on which the Government should be concentrating, to create much needed employment.

The unemployment level will be increasing because the Government are contributing to the wholesale loss of jobs because of the non-encouragement of investment by the private sector, who are deeply concerned about the general trend of Government policy which is unproductive. It is a poor example to the private sector to see a semi-State organisation like the Irish Sugar Company being guided, encouraged and directed by the Government to close in Tuam with a loss of much needed employment. This is an example of the inability of the Government to cope with these problems. The public, especially young people, are crying out for help. The Government are concentrating on issues which have no relevance to the present day, for example, the question of the abolition or the retention of hanging. That has no relevence for a young person seeking employment in the west. This question was not discussed over the last 30 years so why should the Government now regard it as a priority measure and put it before the implementation of policies which would create employment. The only reason the Government are prepared to bring in legislation to abolish hanging is to appease possibly Deputy Sherlock and, definitely, Dr. Browne and Deputy Kemmy. They are the people who advocated policies which appealed to some of the electorate during the election campaign. They are pressurising the Government to bring in legislation which gets media attention but does not create any employment for young people. During the election campaign I did not receive any representations to abolish hanging. I am sure Deputy Kelly did not receive any representations either to abolish hanging. Surely the Government should concentrate on the real issues. If the Fine Gael Party are not prepared to do this, the so called socialists, who are Members of the Cabinet, should be concentrating on these issues. The Minister of State at the Department of Finance, Mr. Desmond, last night expounded views, theories and policies but he stated they were personal views. When a man assumes the role of Minister or Minister of State he should have the conviction to proceed with his own policies.

The present dual mandate situation is a clear contradiction of socialist policies. Surely one man one job should prevail. Why are people who are members of this House allowed to be in Strasbourg today? That also applies to Members of the Fine Gael Party who allow Deputies to have a dual mandate here and in Europe. We have 140,000 people unemployed and yet some Deputies have two lucrative jobs, one in this House and one in Europe where they are today. I understand that Deputies are being flown back tonight for the crucial vote in relation to the school starting age. I understand also, although I am open to contradiction on this, that they are being provided with the Government jet to take them home. I hope that is not the case. However they travel, I should like to know where the money is coming from to bring them home. It is unnecessary because the dual mandate should be stopped and Members of this House should be here on a full-time basis—

Will the Deputy get back to the debate?

Is there any provision for the extra expenses of these European Deputies who are now coming back to vote? Where is the provision, whether by Government or private jet, to bring back Members to vote?

I hope there will be a change in the direction of the Government before it is too late. They have an opportunity to create employment. They are destroying employment and initiative. Why is inflation soaring? Recipients of social welfare should have their increased benefits paid now and given an across-the-board increase of 20 per cent to allow for increases which the Government have brought about as a result of the Finance Bill, 1981. I appeal to the Government to stop before it is too late, before the winter of discontent starts. They must provide employment.

When we were in Government from 1977 to 1981 we were severely criticised for borrowing but we borrowed to create employment and wealth and to get through a very severe recession, not only here but throughout the world. We were on the right course. Unfortunately the electorate were misled by propaganda during the election campaign and we were put out of office. However, when the next election comes — some people expect it before Christmas, others expect it in May — the people will give a clear mandate to Fianna Fáil to assume office as quickly as possible. Then we will have a progressive Government, not the situation which exists at present where the Government have ignored all appeals and are set on a course of destruction.

I do not think there is any theme so trite these days as the theme of the economy, what is wrong with it and what must be done to remedy the diseases that afflict it. Essentially everything which needs to be said in support of the Finance Bill, disagreeable, difficult, unpalatable, has already been said, not once but repeatedly, by the Minister for Finance at budget time and since then whenever he has had an opportunity and by the Taoiseach and other Ministers. I do not know if a great deal of point is to be served by rehashing, at least at any great length, the simple facts of our situation and what the virtually entire consensus of economic opinion, outside as well as inside politics, except for the geniuses on the far side, sees as the only possible course for us to follow.

I detect in speeches from the Opposition, not just in this debate but generally, an undertone that we on this side of the House are sadists with a death wish, who enjoy inflicting pain on others even though we can see that they are going to get their chance to inflict pain on us. That is what seems to be at the back of the minds of many of the Opposition and their supporters around the country. I assure the House that I am as fond of popularity as the next man, enjoy bringing good news just as much as the next man and dislike having to defend unpopular measures just as much as anybody else. If people say that the Government are not going to make many friends through this or that measure, I know that I will feel it in the ballot box——

The Minister is as popular as Conor Cruise O'Brien.

——and if I do not, my colleagues will. I disclaim for myself, and with the assent of Deputy Creed beside me and many of my colleagues inside and outside the House, any anxiety to do unpopular things for their own sake and earn the people's vengeance at the ballot box, because that in our subconscious is what we wish to have to endure. That is not the case, far from it. The measures which I must defend here today, and do defend with a clear conscience, are the only ones which our limited human understanding suggest to us as possible. It may be that we are wrong, having a limited understanding, having temptations even in the midst of national and economic jeopardy to seek popularity, to do the easy thing, temptations to say yes when we should say no. It may be that in this or that setting we yield to them, but in our limited way and as well as we can see our way through the difficulties confronting us, what we are now doing represents what ought to be done.

I must observe that I have not noticed much dissent, except in detail, from the independent economic commentators on the outside, whose vote is as secret as the next man's and whose soul is their own. No intelligent adult in this country is captive of any political party. Most of them will change their votes back and forth in the course of a lifetime. The economic commentators, virtually all, belong to that category. I do not accept that there is such a thing as a devoted fanatical Fine Gael supporter among them, any more than there would have been, when the wind was blowing in our faces the last time, fanatical Fianna Fáil supporters, either. They speak what they see as the objective truth and, in spite of the disagreeable job we must do this year in the position in which the election left us, in all the so visible parliamentary difficulties which there is no use in trying to conceal, I am comforted and strengthened that those whose job it is not to take sides politically, not because they expect anything from us but because it is their job to comment on the course the economy is taking, appear to think that we are doing the right thing — not perhaps in every detail, because people are urging us to slow down the implementation of our tax package. If we did that, I have no doubt that people on the far side of the House, in spite of that advice having been given to us by independent economic commentators, would be saying that we were welching on our promises. That is the kind of thing we would be hearing if we were to take that advice.

That is right.

In spite of these subordinate marginal difficulties in terms of the advice we are getting, which is sometimes conflicting advice, by and large we are supported in our unpopular course by the almost unanimous volume of independent opinion. If there were a dissenting opinion, it is not to be found in the columns of the media, or in the economic pages of the newspapers, or in the Central Bank, or in the Economic and Social Research Institute. As far as I can see, it is to be found only in the Opposition benches here.

After listening to some of yesterday's debate and reading the rest of it from the days on which I was not present in the House, I went home somewhat dejected at the macro political picture which the discussion on the Finance Bill here reveals. It brings home more strongly than ever before the damage this country must endure through the political division which the Civil War caused. There are 78 men and women on the Opposition side who have no other purpose or idea in their minds than to do us down, only because we are us and they are on the other side. If they had any other serious purpose on the economic plane, surely this is a debate in which that might surface? If there were a serious diagnosis of our economic difficulties which differed from ours and from that of all the outside commentators, surely this would be a debate in which that would surface? If it does not surface now, when will it surface? But it has not surfaced; on the contrary, it is significant that those very Opposition Deputies who might perhaps most persuasively and with the greatest weight articulate a serious objective dissent have stayed clear of this debate. They have boycotted the House, except for the lobbies.

I hope that Deputy Leyden opposite will not take it amiss if I say that neither he nor any of the people from his party who preceded him could be regarded, whatever their other qualities, as big guns in economic matters. With the permission of the Chair, I will read the list of Fianna Fáil contributors to this debate so far. Apart from Deputy Gene Fitzgerald who, whatever one's judgment of his calibre as economic artillery, could scarcely have avoided speaking as he was the outgoing Minister for Finance and still has not been shuffled into something more modest, the other Fianna Fáil Deputies who spoke in this debate are as follows, not necessarily in the sequence in which they spoke: Deputies Pádraig Flynn, Seán Keegan, Paddy Power, David Andrews, the new Deputy Lyons, whose Christian name I apologise for not knowing, Deputies Michael Woods, Ben Briscoe, Vincent Brady and Terry Leyden. These are the guns which are brought in to confront the Finance Bill which will give effect to this July budget which, according to Deputy Leyden, is the disaster which has richly earned defeat for us, were we to put ourselves before the people in the morning.

What has become of the man who was Minister for Finance for many years and who, although he is not a man whom I would choose as a companion on a long walking tour, I have a certain regard for, because he often has a certain hawkish straightforwardness about him, Deputy Colley? Where is he? He is around the place, because I have seen him, but he has not surfaced in the Finance Bill debate. Where is Deputy O'Malley — also a man who does not exactly radiate grace and of whom it would be difficult to be sure that one had his measure in any personal relationship, but at least a man who enjoys, even among his political opponents, a certain respect for having a brain of a sort and a kind of integrity? Where is Deputy O'Donoghue? It may be that he felt vicariously so wounded by Deputy Leyden's stricture, or that of some other colleague of his——

On a point of order——

On a point of order, Deputy.

Is it relevant to this Finance Bill debate who actually contributed to the debate? I see no item in this Bill which refers to particular contributors, or whether people spoke here or not. That is a question of their own democratic right.

There has been so much latitude allowed in this debate that to now call a Minister to order on a matter like this would be rather unfair. The Minister is referring to the Finance Bill and as such he is in order.

It seems to me that the Minister is incapable of defending the Bill and must attack the Opposition instead. He finds democracy rather tiresome and I accept that.

For a man who ten minutes ago was talking about the dual mandate which he is able to fulminate about in comfort only because former Deputy Síle de Valera was thrown out of her seat in the constituency I have the honour to represent — I brought two Deputies along with me — he can well tolerate a few remarks by me on the way the Opposition have approached this Bill. As the Chair has pointed out, the question of the dual mandate did not have anything to do with the Finance Bill. The omissions of the Opposition are as significant as what they have done. Apart from marching up all the Deputies whose names I have mentioned they have kept in the background, or permitted to remain in the background, Deputies Colley, O'Malley and O'Donoghue. Deputy O'Donoghue was the architect of the 1977 manifesto which Deputy Leyden was talking about a few minutes ago, and every line and word of it was, apparently, put into effect. Has anyone in the Deputy's constituency had a ground rent abolished in recent times or do people pay ground rents there, even in the towns?

No, we do not pay them.

I should like to know if any ground rents were abolished in the Deputy's constituency. I certainly did not hear of any being abolished in my constituency but I did hear of somebody being sent to prison for not paying. In fact, I had a deputation to my house once at 11 o'clock at night in connection with that man being sent to prison. That is a queer abolition four years later. What about the 50-mile fishing limit? Did we get that? Fianna Fáil were going to go to the barricades for it. Deputy Leyden was not there at the time but Fianna Fáil were going to go to the barricades for it. They were going to pull out of the EEC if we did not get a 50-mile exclusive fishing zone. Those are two examples I can give off the top of my head. Let us make a present to any Government that they are not going to succeed in implementing everything in their programme which they so light heartedly put before the electorate but, nonetheless, Deputy Leyden and his friends must believe in the 1977 manifesto but where is its architect? Why has he not shown up here? I notice that he is back on the lunch-seminar circuit dispensing wisdom about the economy but he stays very clear of the place to which as a Minister he was answerable at a time when he was largely responsible for conducting it.

Where is the noblest Roman of them all, the Mussolini of the Irish economy, the man who only has to make the well-schooled imperial gesture with the hand and everything falls into place as thousands of officials scurry off to do his bidding? Where is Deputy Haughey? Why has he not spoken in this debate? Surely if there was anybody with an overall grasp of the scene, surely if the Professor Moriarity of the national economy was able to control the sense on the way back the most remote movements in the economy and in the operation of all its branches, he would be here to contribute. Surely Deputy Haughey would be here to show us where we were wrong in the Finance Bill, the things which have caused it and the things that are going to flow from it. How is it that all these Deputies have given this debate which is going to end in a few hours time a wide berth?

I do not know about Deputy Haughey because it may be that he is going to conclude for his side this afternoon — I do not know which of them will conclude — but I will give the House my guess as to why certainly the first three I mentioned have stayed away, Deputies Colley, O'Malley and O'Donoghue. I will throw in the name of Deputy John Wilson. It is only a hunch of my own but I suspect he would be in the same category. They have stayed away because they know that what was done in July had to be done. Those Deputies, Colley, O'Malley and O'Donoghue, urged, as far as they were in a position to do so, on the last Government that they not go ahead with the kind of U-turn and reckless spending which Deputy Haughey initiated and brought the semi-State bodies along with him in putting into effect in the last part of his regime. I do not think Deputy O'Malley is a man of instant charm or anything like that but he has got a certain endearing capacity or, should I say, incapacity to control his feelings which is a good thing in a politician. I do not like the cold-blooded sort who judge every word in terms of how it is going to be received by the media. Deputy O'Malley, at about this time last year when we were fighting a by-election in Donegal, in the course of a speech, not in Donegal, compared the people of this country to the inhabitants of the Easter Islands, or some of those islands, in which there is a cult called the cargo cult. I believe the Duke of Edinburgh is one of its recently elected gods and I believe that Deputy O'Donoghue might well be another one. Certainly, he would be instantly put up for membership of that pantheon if they knew about his existence. Deputy O'Malley gave an interesting talk about the cargo cult in the Easter Islands which got a good deal of attention here. He said that these people think that wealth falls out of the sky, that they do not have to do anything except sit around and the wealth will fall into their laps. He said that we in this country were beginning to go on those lines. That speech was made in September or October, 1980. Naturally, a man who has that belief and saw the way the country was being brought in that year by the Government would find it hard to reconcile with his principles if he had to come into the House and attack a Finance Bill which is probably line by line identical with or, in principle, not very far away from the Bill which he would have sponsored had he been in charge of economy in the middle of 1981. That is the reason why Deputies like him have stayed clear. They have left the attack on the Finance Bill entirely to Deputies — I do not wish to offend them in this description — who in economic matters are fairly small fry. I genuinely do not mean to be offensive and all Members know that, but I do not think that any of the Deputies who have spoken on the Fianna Fáil side regard themselves as, or ever held themselves out to be economic experts or even people who took much of an interest in how an economy works. The Fianna Fáil people who have some experience of the nuts and bolts of an economy, who have some grasp of the fact that one cannot distribute wealth until one first creates it, have stayed clear of this debate. I am entitled to draw my own conclusions from that.

The only thing that has been forthcoming from the Opposition in this debate has been a certain amount of name-calling. Naturally, I do not complain about Deputies Flynn, Keegan, Power, Briscoe, Vincent Brady or Leyden calling names because it is probably the only recourse open to them. It is the easiest way of getting through a bit of a speech but one bit of name calling which has been common here in this debate, and in another which preceeded it, have been "Thatcherite" or "monetarist". I am surprised late in 1981 to find the word "Thatcherite" used as a term of abuse by a party led by Deputy Haughey who was very great with Mrs. Thatcher at a time when it suited his publicity purposes to appear so. "Charlie and Maggie will fix it all up. There will be no holding the country once Deputy Haughey, got hold of Mrs. Thatcher's ear and was able to tell her a few things and talk straight to her". Naturally, the aura of glory which this publicity threw off reflected in part on Mrs. Thatcher and she was head cat with Fianna Fáil for quite a long while, but now, suddently, because nothing very much seems to have emerged from the cufuffle with Mrs. Thatcher on Deputy Haughey's side, it is quite all right to use her name as a term of abuse. The word "monetarist", which I believe is imperfectly understood and which I freely confess I would not wish to lecture a class about, is thrown around here as a killing epithet which should make us wilt like salted snails when it is thrown at us.

I should like to draw the attention of the House to an article by a gentleman about whom I remember Deputy Seán Browne, when he was in the Chair, got into a fearful state of excitement because I went to such elaborate lengths to explain that he was not a member of Fine Gael. I was only trying to give Mr. Ivor Kenny, Director of the IMI, a free pardon in that respect. I wanted to clear him of the imputation that he might somehow be in our pockets. I started to say that I had never seen him at one of our meetings, I did not believe that he went to them and I had never heard that he was connected with us in any way and Deputy Seán Browne thought that was an attack on Mr. Kenny. We had an exciting few moments here until we got that one sorted out. All I am trying to say is that Mr. Kenny is recognised as a person who is very near the action where the ecomony is concerned and a man who is personally and politically, as far as I know, independent.

Did I hear the Minister say that he was in Fine Gael before?

I do not think the Deputy was listening very carefully. I have gone to elaborate lengths to make it clear that he has no connection with us, good, bad or indifferent. So far as I am aware, he is an absolutely independent man, which is what, if the lord had made us free of the bug which drives us into politics, we would all be. He wrote an article — or it may have been a talk which was printed — in the October issue of Management in which he describes the role of evasion in political debate on economic matters here. He has a chapter in this article entitled Evasion by Rhetoric. The first form of evasion by rhetoric is described as false labelling. I am going to quote him now from page 30 of the October issue of Management:

Because Mrs. Thatcher believes in cutting public expenditure, a nice pejoractive tag is ready-made to attach to anyone who chooses to advocate such a policy over here. "Monetarist" and "Thatcherite" are the new terms of opprobrium. Mr. John Bruton's concern about our national finances is acceptable — provided concern is not translated into action.

I remember Deputy Gene Fitzgerald expressing concern about the public finances but he did nothing about them. To resume the quotation:

If it is, the commentators worry about his "conservatism" and wonder if he has caught the Friedmanite virus from the East wind....

This name-calling is unhelpful. It makes us evade reality. The reality, for example, that our balance of payments deficit will reach a staggering 15 per cent of GNP this year, to give us a third record deficit in a row. The reality that the Government finances are in disorder. The reality that the Central Bank's private sector credit guidelines have tended to accommodate these deficits, not to stop them. The reality that the present Government shares the view held by its predecessor that incomes, fiscal and monetary policies must move in unison. All this is light years away from a monetarist who sets a target growth rate for the money supply and then, in Senator Ken Whitaker's words, walks away with his fingers in his ears.

I do not want to quote further from that article. It will do as an example of a reaction from someone who is absolutely independent and has no political axe to grind whatsoever. That is his reaction to the name-calling and we have had almost nothing else but name-calling in the course of this debate and before in so far as it concerns any attempt to criticise the way we are trying, with great difficulties and with great political cost to ourselves I have no doubt, to take a grip on the scruff of the neck of this economy and bring it back to the situation in which we left it in 1977.

I will not rehash the stark facts which Ivor Kenny mentioned in brief outline with any rhetoric of my own. But perhaps the House will bear with me if I just cite a couple of short paragraphs from the Central Bank report which was published last week for the autumn of 1981. First I want to say something about the Central Bank and its reports. I can remember that in the last Dáil the Central Bank reports were often used in debate here, but as far as I can remember never, or as good as never, by the then Government, because what the Central Bank were saying — in the course of 1979, 1980 and 1981 — and they are independent too even though they are part of the public sector and their salaries are paid out of State funds — effectively amounted to a critique of what the then Government were doing. It was left to us in Fine Gael and Labour to use this report for our purposes because we were able to find among its sober sentences a great deal of material which bolstered up, supported and bore out what we were saying about the economy.

The Minister's memory is at fault.

It may be that Deputy Fitzgerald and others feel that the Central Bank are out to do in Fianna Fáil. I do not believe that and I have never had any such——

I quoted from the Central Bank reports on a number of occasions.

My recollection is that it was a weapon——

I said the Minister's memory was faulty.

That may be so and if it is I am sorry. But my recollection, whether it is right or wrong, is that the Central Bank report was much more commonly a debating implement in the hands of the Opposition than in the hands of the Government. In a sense that situation has switched around because this report, issued last week, absolutely bears out in chapter and verse everything which we said about the state of the economy, not just now but before the election ever took place. It says:

The balance-of-payments deficit on current account amounts to 14 per cent of GNP, an excess of expenditure over domestically-produced output which is being financed by unsustainably high levels of official foreign borrowing. A primary domestic cause of the balance-of-payments deficit is an imbalance in the public finances, the most striking and disturbing feature of which is the persistence of massive current budget deficits....

Key elements in a strategy of adjustment, and necessary conditions for a renewal of growth on a sustainable basis over the medium-term, are: the phased elimination of current budget deficits within a few years, and measures to ensure international competitiveness through the abatement of domestic cost and price measures. Both elements are necessary. They complement and reinforce one another.

How often have we said that? How often have the House been bored to tears listening to people from my party and the Labour Party saying that same thing? I honestly believe that the same thing was said in the Fianna Fáil Party rooms and in the Fianna Fáil Cabinet room by a few of the then members, the ones I have named, who took damn good care to stay clear of this debate today because they would be ashamed to take part in it on that side, Deputies Colley, O'Malley and O'Donoghue, and Deputy Haughey although I do not include him among those who sounded a note of caution. On the same page the report says:

The July Supplementary Budget represented a start to the process of budgetary correction and is to be welcomed, as is the Government's commitment to end borrowing for day-to-day purposes over a period of four years. However, it is important not to lose sight of the fact that what has actually been accomplished so far — the ending of a process of rapid deterioration — is relatively modest.

I do not want to cod the House about this. The July budget was undoubtedly tough but it is only a start and it is the measure of the recklessness with which the country's finances were run for the last four years that even so tough a budget as that can be no more than a start in trying to get us back into the correct financial balance. The report goes on:

If next year's current budget deficit is to be significantly lower than in 1981, further decisive measures will be called for.

As a politician, as somebody who has to go out and cadge votes from people, I hope that will not be so. This is the judgment of the Central Bank. I did not write that stuff. No one in any Government Department under a political head wrote that stuff. On the next page the report says:

The primary engine of growth in an economy such as Ireland's must be exports, and the key to increasing these is the enhancement of international competitiveness. Export-led growth alone offers the prospect of achieving high and stable rates of growth in the medium-term without running up against severe balance-of-payments constraints. Moreover, in the period of adjustment immediately ahead, export expansion must — and this is almost a truism — play a central role in order to meet very large and rapidly mounting debt service obligations. An improvement now in our competitive position, following losses in recent years, would be particularly opportune since it would permit us to reap, to the fullest extent possible, the benefits of the upturn in the international economy when it occurs.

Finally, my last quotation from this which is on the next page, page 7, is as follows:

The main domestic event affecting the economic outlook was the Supplementary Budget, introduced to halt a deterioration in the public finances.

I would expect an Opposition that was worth a damn, an Opposition such as we along with the Labour Party, tried to provide for four years to have met statements like this head on. That report has been there for more than a week. They would have said: "These are the independent commentators. Do we agree with them? In what respect are they at fault? Are they in ivory towers? Are they a lot of academics who do not have to slog around the world and make excuses to people about the fact that there are no jobs?" If I was still in opposition I would have got to grips with them. If I felt the thing was unanswerable, that there was no meat in it for me as an Opposition Deputy, I would stay clear of this debate. This is exactly what Deputies Colley, O'Malley and O'Donoghue have done.

What do we get instead? We get the same old dreary, silly, snooker politics. I got a long stint of it from Deputy Leyden yesterday and from the others whose contributions I have read. They have no suggestions about public finances. They have nothing to offer about phasing out the deficit. They do not want to know about the trade balance situation, which is horrifying by the standards of any other country. They have no interest in the fact that in four years the amount of every revenue pound which has to be paid out in interest on the national debt has gone from 21p in the £ to 31p in the £ during the time of the previous Government. They have nothing to say about that and they have nothing to offer about that.

It does not worry them that the good credit rating which the country still has has nothing whatever to do with an assessment of the way it is being run internally but is related purely to the confidence which creditors have that you will keep on paying interest. Our creditors outside who lend us money, the people who lend us the yens, the dinars, the marks, the francs, the guilders, the pounds and the dollars do not care if our school entry age is up to 4½, 5 or 15 years. They do not care if there is not a metalled road growing between here and Belmullet. They do not care if we have no universities; they do not care if there is no telephone service in the country; they do not care if there is not another job in the country. The only thing they care about is if there is a Government which by hook or crook will pay them their interest. As long as that Government are able to maintain order, a certain measure of stability, pay a police force and so on we have got a good credit rating.

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As long as the Government are able, by keeping on borrowing, to pay the interest, we have got a good credit rating. The idea that a good credit rating bears any relation to a judgment of how the economy is being run in terms of the benefits it provides for our people is not worth a damn. These things do not interest the Deputies on the other side and we have not had any comments on any of these subjects from any of them. All we have had is dejected argument. We have had a depressing exhibition of the poor mouth.

I do not want to single Deputy Leyden out as I do not consider he is any worse than the rest of them. I was waiting to get in and I had to sit through his speech yesterday. I find it a depressing experience. I am fed up listening to him telling us that he comes from the west of Ireland, from Roscommon. Half of us either come from there or our parents do. All my people come from the west. I believe I know more about Roscommon than he does about Dublin South. All this béal bochtery about the west is something we can do without. I will tell him something about the west. He made a meal here yesterday of a speech of mine which I made in Claremorris last August. I will tell him something about Claremorris. I remember that little town when I was a small boy in the war years. I remember it when there was not even a car in the place. I remember it even before the petrol went off the roads during the war, when the only form of transport was an ass and cart. I remember it when there were people buying second hand clothes from one another, I remember it when there was not any metal on the streets. I do not single that town out as all the towns down there were the same.

When I went back in August to make the speech I am talking about, the meeting to which the Deputy referred, it took place in an establishment which would blind one by its opulence. The Deputy gave the impression that the people in Dublin South had no worries. He should come and talk to a few of them. I do not believe the whole of Dublin South contains an establishment, a restaurant, bar and function complex, as opulent as the one in which that function took place. I was only a small boy in 1941 but I remember the situation very well. If the people who lived there in 1941 were able to see this place 40 years later — it is still in the lifetime of most of them — they would have thought they were in dreamland. There is no sign of the ass and cart and there is no sign of poverty there now.

Everybody knows that the west came far better out of the mid-seventies recession than any other part of Ireland because of qualities which the people of the west have and also because they were given — rightly so — very favourable treatment in the establishment of new industry, which was less vulnerable than the established industries in the east and south. Those industries tended to close down far less and suffer far less in the mid-seventies recession than industries anywhere else in the country. If I were one of the constituents of Deputy Leyden and others like him I would object to the béal bocht hanging open like a liobar in this House whenever an economic topic is under discussion. I would object to being represented, as he represents them, as a lot of helpless mendicants. They are not that.

Deputy Leyden knows of Roscommon people who have made good in their own county and outside it, in their own country and outside it and people from all the other western counties who have made fortunes for themselves and for all belonging to them, who have established businesses which are second to none in this country. He knows they have as much enterprise and as much self reliance as the rest of us. Why then is there all that béal bochtery? I resent it as somebody of western descent and I believe I speak for all the people in Roscommon when I say I resent that kind of talk. The Deputy's entire speech yesterday was "wisha, would you grudge him a few pence to put on a horse, wisha would you grudge him a few pence for a pint, wisha, are you going to take the £3,000 grant off this incredible man who could not make up his mind if he wanted to get married or only wanted the money". He was in some dilemma which must be unique. He could not get married because he had not got the £3,000 and he could not get the £3,000 without being married. Wisha, would the Coalition not take pity on this unfortunate man, if he actually exists, the friend of Deputy Leyden. Wish, could we not do more for the people, stuff more money into this and more money into that. If I was a Roscommon voter I would resent being represented in the national parliament as a mere recipient of charity. The same goes for the rest of Ireland and the whole western seaboard and every other part of Ireland about which language like that is used.

I am tired of hearing Deputies on the far side of the House saying they come from a constituency in the west. It is as if the people who voted for them were the only real votes that counted, that votes cast by people in this part of the country were not votes at all, that the people who live in my constituency do not count and their nationality is only provisional. Most of my constituency organisation consists of people who were born in the country. There is no deliberate pattern about it but it happens that one of the branches in my constituency consists almost entirely of people from Cavan and Monaghan, another consists almost entirely of people from Cork and another one has a very strong Mayo representation.

One border is enough in the country. There is no border between east and west. We have all got roots all around the country. Some of the people I am talking about have brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and cousins whom they very frequently see either in Dublin or the part of the country they come from. The béal bocht perpetually shown on behalf of the west is something which I believe the west resents. I had better remind Deputy Leyden that he comes from a county which is a banner county in a very important respect. It is a county in which Count Plunkett stood for the first Sinn Féin by-election in 1917. I am sure Count Plunkett, who stood for Sinn Féin, was not showing the béal bocht on behalf of Roscommon or the other counties around there. I am sure the message Count Plunkett gave and which the people in Roscommon wanted him to give was the message implicit in his party, Sinn Féin: "We will stand on our own legs and we will not go begging." If Deputy Leyden and other Deputies on the other side of the House have nothing better to say than to ask the Government to give another few ha'pence here and there, they would be better off staying silent.

One of the suggestions he made was that a 25 per cent increase in social welfare should be given all round, and that nothing else would do us. I should love to see that happening. I am not an enemy of social welfare in any shape or form. Our system is gravely defective in many respects. The levels of assistance in some areas and the sectors to which assistance is provided are not wide enough. I should love to improve them. If I could increase the long-term benefits of old age pensioners, blind pensioners, widows or disabled pensioners, I would do so. I should love to be able to go around my constituency and boast about who it was who got them an increase of 55 per cent in the old age pension. We would all love to be able to do that. In fact, it was this party who reduced from 70 years to 66 years, and now to 65 years, the qualifying age for the old age pension. Oddly enough it was Fine Gael who did that.

I should love to be able to produce that good news, but it has to be paid for. The brute fact which people like the Deputy I have just mentioned—who represent such a degeneration in political terms from Count Plunkett and people of that type who came after him, and people in the old Irish party who were their opponents at the time—do not want to face is that a benefit provided for citizen X has to be paid for by citizen Y. If it is not paid for by citizen Y, if it is borrowed from the Japanese or whoever, citizen Y's children and grandchildren will have to pay for it, and citizen X's children too, because it will represent that much of a constraint on the State's future power to invest money in what really creates wealth and self-sustaining jobs which will leave the country permanently better off.

When people say: "Could we not have a scheme for this and for that? Surely it would be fair to give something to this 50 year old man who is in such a chronic state of indecision about his matrimony or his finances, and we are not sure which of them," what they are really saying is: "Surely his neighbours should carry him for another £3,000." I know it is bitter to have to speak like that, but that is the reality. Cheap jack politics have taken us far away from that reality, cheap skate politics in which people are led to assume that it is malice only on the part of a Government which prevents them from shelling out enormous sums of money in welfare, in relief, in grants, in handouts and in tax cuts. That is cheap skate politics and we have had enough of it. I do not say any party have a monopoly of it. That would not be true. What is most to blame for its continuance in a country which started nobly in the early part of this century with the principles of Sinn Féin is the silly snooker which the modern persistence of the civil war has enforced on us, with each side trying to outdo the other in cheap child-tailored promises.

I want to end on a somewhat different note. There is no use in talking about job creation in the sense in which that term was understood by the former Government. If a job is created in the private sector, it represents an exploitation of the earth's resources immediately or at one or two removes in such a way that there is more wealth there when the job is done. Every day that job is continued there is more wealth at closing time than there was at opening time. That is a real job with spin-offs. According as the concern gets bigger, every job will require to be serviced. It will require more components. It will require services of various kinds, a huge variety of little services. A succession or an accumulation of concerns like that in their turn will bring service industries into being and sustain them.

That is what job creation is about. I am for that kind of job creation and everyone in this party is for it. It can be favoured, fostered and promoted by improving our competitiveness. The more goods the Irish exporter can sell abroad, the more wealth flows into the country. The more he is encouraged to expand, the more jobs will be created by him in his own concern, the more wealth will be further generated among people who have these jobs, and the more capital will accumulate, and I do not care how widely it is distributed.

I should love everyone in the country to have a business of his own. I do not at all believe in trying to exploit people in the interests of capital. In itself, capital is not sacred to me. I do not believe in it as an end in itself. It is the most efficient way of creating and spreading wealth. Admittedly it is not effective in distributing it so as to sustain people who need help and who are themselves helpless and, to that extent, the State must step in. There is no question about that. I have never disputed that, nor ever would.

The way to go about job creation is to create the conditions in which people will go out and do business and create places for employees of their own and bring them to a state of prosperity in which they too can get into business. That is job creation. Whether we are long or short in office, if we succeed in developing that form of job creation, I will be very proud. What is not job creation, except in the kind of terminology of an advertising agency, is throwing up a building, putting a lot of desks into it, and having many school leavers behind those desks shoving papers around at one another. That is not a job.

That is not creating wealth. It is consuming wealth. It is turning what should be bees into drones. When I say "drones" I do not mean that the individual is to be so described because one can wear oneself out, get exhausted and work hard doing something which is valueless just as easily as doing something which is valuable. I do not mean that figure of speech to be interpreted as offensive to the people whom circumstances have put in that position. It is taking what should be productive units and making them unproductive. That is all being done at the expense of people who are productive.

Jobs may be socially commendable and may be absolutely necessary such as the expansion, in regrettable conditions, of the police force, or the expansion of the personnel in the health services, more nurses, or more teachers. They may be very desirable and necessary, but the fact is that the expansion of the public service means that every new job created is another straw which must be carried by the productive sectors of the economy. They are the ones who create the wealth and they are the ones upon whose creation of wealth the rest must be sustained.

Unfortunately, that fact has not been understood sufficiently by Deputies on the far side of the House. In one celebrated speech—I am not sure I am quoting him exactly; I am sorry if I am doing him an injustice but I think he said something like this—Deputy O'Donoghue said he was in favour of job creation even if it was only digging holes and filling them in again. In a speech made not long before the 1977 election. Deputy Haughey said something very similar. He said that, in order to get us out of the recession, from which we were emerging anyway at that time and had been since late 1975 or early 1976, he believed in jobs for jobs' sake. Jobs for jobs' sake may be fine, but they have to be paid for by your neighbours. They have to be paid for by the people who are working productively. We are sitting around here debating gravely in the national Parliament. I hope we are doing something useful. I hope we add something to the quality of life of the people who live around us. We are doing the very same thing. I do not toil or spin. Neither does Deputy Gene Fitzgerald. We do not produce anything with our hands. We do not visibly add to wealth, although I suppose paper has to be produced to print what we write on. We only consume wealth. I hope other benefits which flow from our existence may counterbalance that. I may be wrong, in which case we too must fall under the same suspicion of consuming the wealth which others are producing.

Job creation which simply takes the form of doing what the outgoing Government did, namely, expanding the civil service by 9,000 people on a base of 45,000, an expansion of 20 per cent in four years, I have no hesitation in calling damaging and, in our conditions, disastrous. If we look at the entire public service — I am talking about the complete span of the public service, not merely the non-industrial civil servants — the increase between 1977 and 1981 was in the region of 38,000 or 40,000. This is in no sense a reflection on public servants individually. Obviously some are necessary — for instance, the expansion of the Garda Síochána. Individually they are doing their best for themselves and their families and I wish them well. I am not making a criticism of them but I am criticising the policy that thinks we are solving our economic difficulties by creating jobs on that scale and at that rate.

The financial burden we are facing, the horrible financial mess in which this country was left when the Government changed, is virtually entirely referable to that growth in the public service. I know I am cutting corners when making this point but I shall try to make it graphical. If those extra 38,000 or 40,000 people were not in public employment the public wage bill would be hundreds of millions of pounds less. It would be so much less each year as to make our deficit problem a very small one. Jobs of a kind have been created, some of them necessary but others much less necessary, but it has been done at a deadly cost. Paying that cost is constricting our capacity to create wealth-producing jobs.

We are coming to a period when we will be discussing Estimates. Deputy Fitzgerald knows this quite well because he has been through the same process. Even in good times every Minister is under pressure to be economical and to prune the Estimates for his Department. Some pruning can be done without too much damage to the economy or to the efforts of the State to help the economy, but some cannot be done without a lot of damage. I want the House to consider that among the things we have to pay for are enterprises that create a great deal of wealth, agencies such as the IDA, Coras Tráchtála and Bord Fáilte — the last two under the aegis of my Department. To have a situation in which such bodies are under budgetary pressure because of the burdens the State has undertaken in creating unproductive employment is crazy. It is an insane thing to do.

As Deputy Fitzgerald knows well, more than half of the national bill goes in paying wages and salaries and more than 30 per cent goes in paying interest on our debts. That leaves only so much for doing all the things we want to do, for paying for the material for roadworks to improve our infrastructure, for paying for telephone equipment and for the building of hospitals, schools, and even airports. To create a situation where the Government are strapped for funds when all of these things need doing desperately and to have done so merely to fulfil an election commitment to reduce unemployment by putting people into jobs for which there was no real necessity in many cases is an insane policy. I am probably boring Deputy Fitzgerald and the rest of the House——

I will get an opportunity of telling the true story.

I said this on many occasions when I was in Opposition.

Nobody takes the Minister seriously anymore.

The situation we are in can be remedied and I hope if we get the chance we will remedy it. I should like to make a few comments, in a sense of friendly debate, in regard to some things my friend, Deputy Desmond, Minister of State, said yesterday. He said, and I agree with him, that we should have a socially just system of taxation. As the House probably knows, I was personally in favour of the wealth tax, and I remain in favour of it. I admit I am in a very small minority in my party on this matter, perhaps even a minority of one, but I believed and I still believe in it. I am at one with Deputy Desmond in saying that we cannot expect people at the bottom of the economic barrel to make sacrifices even in the interest of cost competitiveness for industry in order to create more jobs unless they see people at the top prepared to carry an equivalent burden.

Deputy Desmond also said be believed in a high level of taxation. I think what he means is the State should leave itself in a position that it can safely remove large sums in revenue to pay for the social improvements he wants to see. I agree with that. However, the State cannot cream off that wealth in the form of revenue, it cannot commit itself to high levels of taxation that will produce the kind of revenue Deputy Desmond and the rest of us want, unless the wealth is there to tax. The first thing we must do is create the wealth and we can worry about distribution later. Probably Deputy Sherlock would not agree with that but looked at from any perspective except the ground it is obvious that this is a country that has not yet experienced any large gaps between classes. Of course there are gaps between classes, of course there are the very rich and the very poor, but I want to put the matter in perspective. Last Sunday I heard a parish priest make the following comment. He said "The poorest person in this parish"— my own parish —"is rich compared with the poor man in Calcutta and the richest man in this parish is poor compared with an oil sheik", or he might have added, "compared with people who are really rich in France, Germany or Britain". Of course there are extremes of poverty and wealth here but they disappear completely in comparison with the extremes that are visible in world terms or even in countries not far from us. So long as these gaps have not become too great, so long as there is a certain measure of social solidarity — there is still a bit of that left — we should strive to carry people with us in an attempt to get a socially just system of taxation. However, that is no good if there is no substance there to tax. What we must first do is create the wealth and that means making it possible for people to do business, to create jobs and then let us by all means encourage or force them to distribute the proceeds of the enterprise. In the discharge of the task of fostering those conditions the State is gravely handicapped if its finances are in disorder and if it cannot put the money it should put into the encouragement of industry, agriculture, tourism and the service industries. If excessive demands are made by way of excessive recruitment to the public service and excessive levels of State expenditure on things that are not productive, the State is dragging a ball and chain behind it in its efforts to reach that goal.

We are scarcely out of the harbour yet. If we can survive that and turn around the processes I have been complaining about, and which have been visible over the past several years — I do not altogether blame Fianna Fáil for this, although they must take a large part of the blame — and get people to think more in terms of first sowing the seed, watering it, fertilising it and worrying afterwards about how the harvest is to be distributed, we will have a good chance of reaching that objective.

The wealth is there, estimated conservatively at £35,000 million. If we put a 1 per cent levy on that it would yield in excess of £300 million, one-third of the deficit for which it was necessary to introduce this budget. If the level of taxation on the professional and business people and the self-employed was at the same rate as for the PAYE workers, that would produce another £300 million. The PAYE sector pay £17 in every £100 earned and the others pay £7 in every £100 income. The Government could have imposed capital taxation on these areas rather than imposing direct taxation which hit the poorer sections of the community — the working people, retired people and those in receipt of social welfare benefits.

Is there a reason why the Government did not impose capital taxation? I think there is. During the last general election Fianna Fáil spent, on propaganda, about £1.2 million and Fine Gael in the region of £1 million. Is it any wonder that neither Fianna Fáil nor Fine Gael want to impose capital taxation? Who supplied that money? Was it the ordinary worker? No, it was the capitalist. During the election the main political parties took full page advertisements in local and national newspapers to spread their propaganda.

We are told the economic situation is very bad, but is it so bad? If it is, why do the Government not impose capital taxation rather than indirect taxation which means that workers are paying tax on every £1 as well as paying PAYE? This point must be made with the greatest emphasis and this is one reason why workers realise this is not their country. It is being run by wealthy people, supported by successive Governments. The people are disgusted with the inability of successive Governments to solve the cancer of unemployment to build sufficient homes, to take care of our old and sick, to reduce the price of essential food, to provide a comprehensive and expanding education service, to reform our taxation system and to set about the task of improving the quality of life of all our people.

We have found a clear absence of moral and political leadership in all parties who have been in charge of the affairs of the State. There is also a growing sense of despair and cynicism not only among the tens of thousands on the dole queues but among our young married couples faced with rising mortgages, our unemployed young people rejected by this society as they begin their lives and among the retired workers who have built this society and now face a harsh winter on grossly inadequate incomes. All these groups — and they amount to a vast section of our society — are crying out for a political and moral leadership which will ease their burden and will honestly and truthfully set out with determination to build the sort of Ireland in which workers and their families can enjoy not only decent living standards but a society in which they will be valued as citizens.

If the Government were to test the mood of the country at this time they would find I am speaking the truth. They would be told to go, and to go quickly. Do not let Fianna Fáil take heart from this. Irish people filled the emigrant ships while the ranchers and big businessmen grew fat at the expense of the workers in the towns and on the land. This is not a history of which to be proud. Fianna Fáil created the millionaires and talked wildly about the glories of a future republic. I make no excuse for crime, vandalism or drug taking, but this is the society our political parties have created. They pandered to the rich, the profit-takers, the fly-by-night businessmen and the grossest elements in our society, so that the yardstick by which all this is measured is the amount which can be stuffed into pockets by fair means or foul.

During World War II we had an emergency. We have an emergency now because we have in excess of 130,000 people unemployed. We were told at school that we were a poor country. What a damned lie. We have natural resources — lead, zinc, natural gas, oil, land, forests, bogs and sea. We have a people second to none with the skills, guts and willingness to exploit this wealth in their interests and in the interests of the country. Our natural resources should be taken into State ownership and developed by our State companies when they have had a chance to prove their ability.

When I talk about State ownership and taking these natural resources into State ownership, I mean that the people to be appointed should be competent, unlike the situation we had in the past in some of our State and semi-State bodies where the person deemed to be the best and strongest Government supporter got the job. Then he made sure he appointed "yes men", with the result that we did not have the efficiency in the State sector we might have had.

The money for such massive development, for such an ambitious job creation programme, is there in unpaid taxes, in profits being made from our existing resources and in the £3,000 million in the hands of the banks. The great financial wizard Rothschild said "Give me control of a country's finances and I do not give a damn who makes the laws". That is the situation we have at the moment. The banks have more power than the Government. They control the whole spectrum and consequently control the State.

The Minister for Finance referred to the anti-poverty plan and this must be taken into consideration. Sister Stanislaus Kennedy has highlighted the extent of this problem. Can the Government or the Opposition be proud of the fact that so much poverty exists in a country with such great natural resources?

There is also reference to the Youth Employment Agency which will be financed in greater part through the 1 per cent contribution made by workers. I would have thought that this money could have been used to provide a comprehensive free health service. No PAYE worker would refuse to pay the 1 per cent contribution for such a service. Under the GMS scheme some general medical practitioners are being paid as much as £50,000 per year. One such doctor may give a prescription to the mother of small children whose income limit in order to qualify for full eligibility is £56 for man and wife and £6 for each child. If her husband earns £85 or £90 per week she will not qualify for eligibility. I am well aware that some mothers will not go to the chemists with prescriptions because they cannot afford to pay. This situation cannot be tolerated. I understand that there is an investigation in progress into the widespread abuse of the GMS scheme by doctors in some areas and I would welcome such an investigation in the Southern Health Board area where incomes range between £30,000 and £50,000.

The National Manpower Service should be used as an agency through which people who are unemployed can register and be provided with a job, as is their right. Nepotism is rife and as a result the sons and daughters of working class people are not getting their rights. There is no point in going to the National Manpower Service merely to put one's name on a register. The system should be changed to ensure that people will be given an opportunity if employment in a suitable area arises.

The Minister also referred in his speech to the £27.5 million which the road tax till bring in during 1982. That money must be given to the local authorities to spend on roads. The county road system has been deteriorating rapidly because during the past three or four years insufficient funds have been provided. When capital is allocated to a local authority it should be spent as that local authority decide and not as specified by the Department. The local authority are aware that many roads are at present impassable and need expenditure.

The previous speaker said he was in favour of wealth tax but that many other members of his party were not. I would point out that the people at present in power may not always be there. The present Opposition decided when in power to hand back the resource tax to farmers. I know the agricultural scene as well as anybody and at present farmers are howling for State assistance. I am well aware of the value of agriculture when our economy is in such bad shape, but workers are taking the brunt of taxation while wealthy people are howling that the State should assist them. These are the people who paid with bank money twice the value of the agricultural land they purchased. They erected massive buildings which they did not require and were badly advised to do so. I believe that every effort should be made to keep farmers on the land because there is no alternative employment for them, but I do not see why people with 400 or 600 acres should be aided by the State when they paid £4,000 an acre for land, the agricultural value of which was only £1,800 or £2,000.

The time will come when the coalition will be between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. Both major parties will join hands and Sinn Fein, the Workers' Party and others who represent working class people will be either a workers' opposition or the Government. Only then will we have an equitable system whereby there will be a fair distribution of capital. The mood of the people is an angry one at present. They are saying — and I would agree with them lest anybody might think I do not — that the State should show that it is concerned, that it is prepared to cut expenditure at Government level. A start would have to be made on the abolition of the provision of State cars, for which I see no need whatever. I see no need whatever for Ministers of State to be provided with State cars at present at the taxpayers' expense. That is what the people are saying and I want to say that I support them in that. Such action would show that the Government were concerned and would constitute the first steps in good government here.

I want to preface my observations by reference to some of the remarks and observations made by the Minister for Trade, Commerce and Tourism. He went to great pains to point out that the speakers put forward on this side of the House were the lightweights of the Party. I want to assure him that no offence was taken in that respect, that that is his opinion and he is entitled to it. But if his theorising, postulating and over-stretched analysis of the insignificant points relating to our economy are the basis for sound planning under his Government then future prospects for the country under this administration do not look very bright. I should like the Minister to keep that in mind.

The debate in progress has been occasioned by what I can describe only as the frightening reality of economania, economic theorising gone mad; if you like, slightly flavoured by Brutonomics. It is an over-indulgent obsession with the intricacies of economic theory, this by a man, in the person of the present Taoiseach, who was regarded hitherto by some — with some justification at the time — as an able and respected economic analyst, as a statistician of high repute and as a caring and concerned public figure. During those halcyon days of the sixties and indeed of the traumatic seventies I never went out of my way to prove those people wrong. However, to my regret I must now admit freely that I played my part, perhaps by virtue of over-attention to a seeming personality, perhaps by over-attention to ability at theoretical postulation, in germinating the idea that one day this man would have an important contribution to make to the future of our economy. Unfortunately there was one vital element, perhaps the only element in this case, I unwittingly ignored and which I believe many other Deputies now on the Government side of the House ignored which contributed to our collective naivety, and that was the ability, or lack of it on the part of the Taoiseach to oversee and constructively manage the affairs of our economy.

Make no mistake about it, the mini-budget before this House — to which the Taoiseach hopes this Finance Bill will give statutory effect — is the Taoiseach's budget even though it might be slightly flavoured by his Brutonomics assistant. It is one founded on the false premise that if he, as the present Leader of this Government, was not seen to react strongly to what he described as the state of Government finances, our international creditors and the big bad boys of the International Monetary Fund would come running, waving their truncheons and batons to call in their loans and bring us all to heel. The Taoiseach's actions in this respect are reminiscent of a little school boy 20, 30, or 40 years ago who, having failed to do his homework, mitched from school for fear of the big, bad teacher. The scene would be hilarious were it not so serious.

The damage caused by the insensitive provisions of this Bill perhaps can be most appropriately captured by reference to a famous observation made in such a poignantly philosophical vein by Sir Walter Raleigh when, at his execution, rubbing his fingers along the blade of the axe about to terminate his life, he was overheard to remark, "This is the shock treatment that cures all ills." Of course, as we are all aware, poor old Sir Walter did not have to live with the consequences of that shock medicine. But for the economy and people of Ireland the consequences of this Bill are both immediate and long-term. At this juncture let the Taoiseach and his assistant set the record straight. Anybody with any knowledge of economic affairs must surely know that creditworthiness and rating — incidentally at this point I should say that the Minister for Trade, Commerce and Tourism was wise enough to acknowledge that we do have creditworthiness and a high credit rating even now — either domestically or internationally have confidence, and I stress the word confidence, as one of their key elements. Yet, by one fell stroke, this administration have done far more to engender lack of confidence in the ability and potential of this economy amongst our domestic and international creditors than ever before in the history of this State.

I want to take this opportunity to sympathise with some of the personnel in the media in their present dilemma. They created and fuelled a stature for the present Taoiseach akin to that of a mandarin or perhaps a semi-god who would, if given half a chance, hand down his manna to the people of Ireland in the form of an economic panacea. To the ladies and gentlemen of the media I would say, there will be many mouths hungry and many tables lean this Christmas. To many Deputies on the Government side, indeed to some Ministers, I would say that they also have my sympathy in their dilemma which is even greater. They know that in their Leader they have a man who has no mandate whatsoever to twist their most reluctant arms to implement his hare-brained schemes, completely divorced from reality and the logistics of which are applicable to the realms of theoretical and intellectual postulation only.

For the Tánaiste I have a special message and I also want to remind him of a very astute observation he made to some of his socialist friends, intended for the ordinary people of Ireland, some time ago regarding some of the then Fianna Fáil Ministers when he said, "By the tracks of their Mercedes shall ye know them". Let me hasten to remind the Tánaiste that the tracks of his Mercedes will have left many an indelible scar on the larders and minds of the plain people of Ireland before this winter is over. Those ordinary people, whose wages are meagre enough, who go about their daily business with an ever-conscious sense of frugality, find themselves now in a hopeless and frightening dilemma. As a result of Government action they must now endeavour to live with a 5 per cent increase in the rate of inflation, which percentage, as we all well know, does not take into account the total multiplier effects of such impositions.

This Government came into office on the basis of an anti-inflation programme, fully aware of the then level and state of Government finances. The then Leader of Fine Gael, now the Taoiseach, was credited with many statements of calculation, mentioning a balance of payments deficit of over 14 per cent of gross national product. Against that background he was highly critical of the level of inflation that had obtained under Fianna Fáil whilst at the same time promising to embark on a programme which would have the immediate effect of lowering the general level of price increases. Yet, without batting an eye, he immediately imposed an increase in value-added tax of 5 per cent, hitting hard almost every aspect of social life in the country. At best, all one can say is that he and his Government have been totally dishonest. But the seriousness of the situation for the poor and unemployed is such as to make present policies criminal in the extreme. Imagine the arrogance of any Government in these inflationary times offering an increase of 5 per cent to long-term social welfare recipients and 3 per cent to those on short-term benefits. Those increases hardly represent the price of an additional bottle of milk per week but, in real terms and when set against Government-imposed inflation represent a net loss. This is a terrible indictment of a Government who had professed to be caring and concerned. The recent increases granted to the ESB, of the order of 20 per cent, a company whose accounting methods are the centre of dispute anyway, and who showed a profit of more than £6 million last year, were unnecessary and unjustified.

Even at the best of times the plight of the poor, the disabled and the unemployed in Ireland is a severe one, and to say that indexation of their allowances to the cost of living increases is adequate is to condemn to further deprivation and degradation those who have served their country so well all their lives and those who through misfortune or economic circumstances do not have the opportunity to make such a contribution. Because of their plight, physically, materially and psychologically, any increase granted to them should always represent a real net gain. Developments in national pay agreements in recent years have taken serious cognisance of this need, because of the growing awareness that to ignore the weakest in our society is not only grossly unfair but evil and damaging to society as a whole. On the one hand it promotes the greed principle and on the other it serves to promote the view in industrial relations that might is right.

Recognising these rights, the Fianna Fáil Government in their spring 1981 budget granted an increase of 25 per cent on these allowances and in the Social Welfare Bill before Christmas last year the then Minister granted a double week allowance to long-term recipients. When you compare the Bill now before us with those provisions, and when you recall the loud voices of the Labour Party and of Mr. John Carroll of trades union fame at that time you must ask where are those voices now: is it simply a case of the 30 pieces of silver having done a fine efficient job?

When we take a serious look at the main thrust of Government economic policy as initiated in this Bill we find a muddle of conflicting targets and a profusion of inconsistencies in their overall application. The increases in VAT will increase the factor costs of production and inevitably seriously erode the competitiveness of our products on the domestic and international markets. The implications here are enormous. Our terms of trade will decline rapidly and our balance of trade will be seriously affected.

In this regard I refer to a speech by the Taoiseach to Trinity College's Philosophical Society on Wednesday of last week. When expressing concern for the loss of competitiveness of our goods and services, he laid the blame simply and solely on the ground that our pay rates had risen faster than those of our competitors. Anybody with the slightest grasp or understanding of factor costs knows that wages, although significant, represent only one such factor, and for the Taoiseach to make such a statement is a gross over-simplification. It means, at least, that he has no direct responsibility in the area of competitiveness. It was a refusal by him to take account of the implications of this Bill in that area. It was also an attempt to incriminate the workers in order to deflect attention from the ramifications of the budget.

During the course of the same speech, the Taoiseach stated that the wholesale price index, which measures increases in the cost of goods leaving the factory gates, has been slowing down. That would suggest the dawning of a more favourable pattern in our competitiveness and must surely be at odds with his earlier reasoning. What he did not acknowledge is that there is always a time lag involved before the effects of any policy can be gauged, so the latter reference of the Taoiseach is a reflection of favourable trends emanating from the former Government's policies, and the former reference was on the basis of anticipating a reversal of that favourable trend because of his policies in this Bill.

At this stage I will examine a very fundamental point in regard to our imports. This country has a very high import content, and the price elasticity of demand is very weak and sometimes negligible. A very high proportion of the raw materials for our manufacturing industry has to be imported, and this is the area which is acknowledged by all economists as the main springboard of employment creation in the private sector. It is the area on which tens of thousands of our young people leaving school annually will be dependent and to which thousands of other workers already facing the grim prospect of being thrust on the dole queues will be looking for alternative employment. Yet the Bill before us does not do anything to enhance the prospects in this area. Indeed the conditions produced by the provisions of the Bill are already creating a serious disincentive to investment plans. Deputies on all sides must be aware, from daily media references, of the effects being felt across the whole spectrum of industry. There has been a definite toning down and a shelving of investment decisions, plus threats and rumours of closures, with increasing regularity.

There is the case of B & I with their threat to trim down their operations and manpower. In view of present conditions and distincentives, the unions within B & I in the past week told me that they are inclined to agree with the decision of the company because they do not see any long-term prospects under the present administration. Aer Lingus are in trouble, and in the past week or two we have had the ACC telling farmers, despite the serious difficulties they are experiencing, that if they do not come up with the readies immediately, readies which most farmers do not have, the ACC will consider closing their doors.

Then, we have the Minister for Agriculture telling the farmers that all he is doing is talking. In the course of a radio interview yesterday, when he was asked what he intended to do, what decisions he and the Department intended to make, he said he was in consultation with the banks and that he did not want to pre-empt any decisions that might arise from the consultations. I say that is not good enough, particularly when jobs in agriculture are already being threatened, when farmers are already on the way to the dole queues, on the way to selling farms and leaving agriculture. This is contrary to promises made by the Coalition in regard to agriculture.

The building industry, from which emanates one of the greatest multipliers of any form of investment, is already showing signs of a dangerous depression. When you superimpose on that background the present embargo on recruitment to the public service, the huge reduction of intake to teacher training — I will be dealing later with the budget provisions for education — what is there by way of employment prospects for the decades ahead?

The Government have offered us a Youth Employment Agency. Why not bolster and assist existing structures? Deputy Sherlock referred to manpower and the need to extend courses and flesh out and further develop services in that area. Other Deputies made reference to the youth employment schemes brought in by our Government in the past. These should be developed and additional allocations made to them. I have no objections to the creation of a youth employment agency provided it is not just one big smokescreen and another white elephant. With 50 per cent of the population under 25 years of age and an increasing number of young people coming on to the labour market, job creation for this age group is vital. I hope the creation of new structures and new bureaucracies will have the desired effects.

The sincerity of the Government's intentions in terms of commitment to employment creation must be seriously in doubt. Any new creations in this area, while neglecting existing ones, are merely smokescreens to divert people's attention from a ruthless, insensitive and blind monetarist pursuit. The Minister was fascinated that people were bandying about the word "monetarist". I assure him that my view of monetarist is contrary to the fiscal policy. A fiscal policy sees the necessity for Government intervention to help along the economy in bad times. This Government have chosen to pull in the reins on money. In so doing they justifiably deserve the label "monetarist".

Arising out of all this it now seems more popular and profitable to tell a redundant worker with all his acquired skills or a young graduate of college or school with State and parental investment of thousands of pounds, to head directly for his nearest labour exchange with all the indignity it confers rather than give him an opportunity to reinvest his talents, skills and experience to the benefit of his own dignity and of the economic and social well-being of the community. There are Deputies on the Government benches trying beleaguredly to justify the measures before us in terms of the fulfilment of Fine Gael election promises. I have heard at least one Deputy say that the pledge of £9.60 to a housewife represented the first step towards recognising the role and contribution of women in the home. Is it out of naivety or out of a deliberate, if rather weak, attempt to mislead that such Deputies would have us believe that such a measure makes one iota of a positive and real contribution in the way suggested? For one thing, as every housewife knows, a rapidly increasing proportion of her weekly shopping basket is made up of non-food items so that the real gains to her will have been eaten up completely by way of price increases before ever she begins to receive such an allowance. If the measure is designed for the stay-at-home wives whose husbands are reluctant to part with adequate household allowances, then all these husbands have to do in the future is to decrease their contribution to the household by the equivalent amount. Indeed, arising out of the levy being imposed on them, some will feel justified in adopting such an attitude.

It is clear that these are only some of the problems related to this aspect. The sending out of upwards of 300,000 cheques of £9.60 a week, which will make no household better off, will bring a new administrative structure into being with extra staff requirements and in its wake will come a flood of applications to be processed from other housewives claiming their eligibility. Inevitably it is a recipe for division and resentment between the haves and the have nots. Another one of those spurious cases put forward in justification of the monetarist nature of this Bill is that it permits the Government to follow through on a reckless vote-catching gimmick of immediate tax reform. Everybody agrees that reform in the PAYE sector is a priority since this sector carries over 86 per cent of the burden of revenue from direct taxation. Yet the implementation of this entire promise immediately will necessitate increases in indirect taxation in next January's budget to the tune of £400 million and all in the interest of this illusory thing they call "discretionary income".

I regret the day economists ever coined the term because it is giving fuel to the present administration to con the people in the short-term. The effects of this measure on inflation, industry, employment and the quality of social life generally will be astronomical. There was some ray of hope for reason in this area with the first public pronouncement made by the Tánaiste regarding the folly of transferring the entire burden immediately but, regrettably, with the first crack on the knuckles from above, he was not long about retiring to silent submission. The Taoiseach and his Government should know only too well that what they are putting forward flies in the face of advice from every respected economic authority, authorities whose advice they so feverishly clung to in the past.

To say this package adds to inflation is to understate the facts particularly when one takes into account the effects it will have on industrial relations and wage claims in both the public and private sectors. Yet the Government seem to have thrown in the towel on the advice of the three wise owls regarding the promotion of a new national understanding. We saw the attitude of the Taoiseach when he was asked by Deputies O'Donoghue and Haughey yesterday what he was prepared to offer to both sides that might entice them to go forward with further arbitration. He had nothing to say except that what was put forward already was meaningful and negotiable. The Government's refusal to make any determined effort to secure agreement can best be described as a deliberate act of irresponsible brinkmanship. Already the big guns of the trade union movement are lining up to fire demand volleys in excess of 25 per cent. Engineering workers, maintenance craftsmen, senior civil servants and many others who, in the recent past have shown their bargaining muscle, are already gearing themselves to claim what they regard as just compensation for erosion of real earnings by virtue of this Bill. Those hardest hit in this free for all melee will be the lower paid and those employed in the vulnerable footwear and textile industries.

In one respect this Government are consistent. The strategy is the same irrespective of qualitative or quantitative differences in the factors or areas affected. The Finance Bill wantonly condemns the poor and under-privileged to a daunting winter of want. The implicit discouragement of a national understanding adds insult to injury. It is a kick in the teeth to those least able to fight back.

Last, but by no means least, I want to deliberate briefly on an aspect of this Bill and what it subsequently spawned in the area of educational provision. In so doing I do not want to pre-empt or prejudice anything that might be said this evening in this area. Far from making a positive contribution to the progress of the previous administration with regard to education needs, the increase of 5 per cent VAT on the price of school books represents a savage and derisory response to the genuine difficulties being experienced by thousands of parents trying to meet the astronomical costs of books at present. I have reason to believe that sitting on the desk of the Minister for Education is a pile of petitions from principals of secondary schools on behalf of pupils whose parents are simply unable to pay. I have a copy of one such submission that was made to the Minister for Education on behalf of no fewer than 69 pupils in one school. If that is any reflection of the national pattern—and I have good reason, from talking to various principals, to believe that it is—it is a clear indication of the reduction in educational estimates.

The raising of the school entry age for reasons only of financial logistics with the consequent loss or redeployment of 920 jobs in the next two years, coupled with the reduction of 180 in student intake in the teacher training colleges, leaves no one in any doubt about what this administration think of the educational needs of our children. To enable them to prepare to honour their irresponsible election pledges the Government through the provisions of this Bill have condemned 17,000 children to a year without education while at the same time telling about half that number either to make their first trudge to school in the winter months or to forfeit a further six months education. Surely this reflects a cruel, vicious and insensitive attitude. On Sunday last in the course of a radio interview the Minister said that he and the Government must consider all cases sympathetically. Where does his sympathy lie?

This Bill will best be remembered as the one that extinguished 920 existing teaching posts in two years and, arising out of the inevitably large panel created, will block the employment prospects of newly-qualified teachers in 1982 and 1983 thereby leading to widespread unemployment. Never before in the history of the State has the educational base been so narrowed out of necessity for financial provisions. Never before have such stringent measures been taken without due consultation with the experts and the interested parties involved on the ground. I am not too surprised in this regard because, apart from the very justified criticism that has been levelled at the Department of Finance arising out of this Bill, the people should know that the Minister for Education in an interview with the educational journal Listening and Learning admitted that he had never read a book on the theory of education. When asked whether he thought that Illich or any of the other debated theoreticians in this area was applicable or practical in an educational situation, he replied that he had had a corneal graft last Christmas and did not have an opportunity to check on those books, that he did not consult them before beginning to put forward his policies. I resent this kind of cavalier attitude and approach towards his ministry. As a teacher I take this opportunity of saying to him and to the people generally that on behalf of all the teachers he should either seek sound advice immediately or get out.

It is said that practice without theory is blind, just as theory without practice is sterile. If the man who coined that phrase did not have the originators of the present policies in mind he certainly was thinking of somebody closely resembling them. There is an over-weening preoccupation with financial logistics which takes no account of the educational, social, employment and economic needs of the community. The monetarist policies embarked on by this Government, and to which this Finance Bill gives a clear and unequivocal push, have both immediate and long-term damaging affects. The plural aims of low inflation, reduction in unemployment and the sharp pruning of deficit budgeting so glowingly enunciated against a background of serious recession are clearly in conflict with each other. The Taoiseach, in an attempt to get himself and his Government off the hook, must resort to stirring controversy and to deflecting attention elsewhere. The people will not be that easily duped and they will not forget.

Rising to make a first contribution in this House is a daunting prospect for any Deputy but my job today has been made a little easier having regard to the contributions that have been made from the other side of the House by way of defence but which in effect are no defence. Last week we had Deputy Flynn acting somewhat like the Playboy of the Western World, starting at A and going through to Z, almost as if he were told to keep going for so long as he could but that if he was not able to reach Z he could stop and somebody else would carry on. However, Deputy Flynn completed his task and today we had Deputy Liam Fitzgerald doing the same sort of thing. Today we have had what one might call a word-making process by way of endeavouring to distract the people from what we are discussing, that is, the need for the legislation before us.

I hope that Deputy Fitzgerald who, happily, was flushed out by Deputy Kelly for a while, will be able to stay and listen to some of the situations that we find ourselves in. It was precisely because the people decided that they would no longer take his party seriously that we are in Government. The people had had enough and were determined to change the Government.

I am helped in my task today, too, by reason of the confidence I have in the Taoiseach and in the knowledge that we have at the helm a man who can steer the country through the harsh years ahead. I am confident, too, that the people realise that.

It has been said many times that we have inherited a legacy but there are people who tell us to get on with the job and stop harking back. However, we must make the people aware of the situation we found on coming into office because otherwise they will not be able responsibly to help us set this country back on its feet. The legacy we inherited could be likened to inheriting an old house, an old house that looks all right from the outside but which, as any tradesman worth his salt will know, must be examined from inside, from underneath the floors. Regrettably all that has been happening to the house of which the last Government were in charge was that a coat of gloss was being put on it in an effort to prevent the people from seeing what was happening inside.

As Deputy Fitzgerald has said, his party granted increases in social welfare payments but we might well ask where the money for these increases was coming from. All the time we were being sucked further into the black hole. That Government were acting as if they were in outer space. They seemed to have no realisation of the problems of the economy. In the sixties and seventies the growth rate in our economy was 4 per cent but that rate has not been matched in recent years. The ESRI have predicted a 1.75 per cent growth rate for this year.

The Irish economy has to be looked at as a small open economy which is not immune from the problems of world trade in general. The US are in recession with high interest rates. The UK are suffering under monetary policies and our EEC partners have problems. They are not all happy over there. Our aim, with the support of the majority of thinking people in this country, must be prudent management of this economy in this harsh economic climate. For years the Government were spending far more for current purposes than they had been earning. The Fianna Fáil budget in February 1981 proposed a current account deficit of just over £500 million. I quote from the NESC Report Economic and Social Policy 1981 page 20, paragraph 1.34:

One regrettable aspect of fiscal policies in 1979-80 is the increasing scale of error in budgetary forecasts. Estimates in the budget statements of 1979 and 1980 suggested that the Exchequer borrowing requirement would amount to 10.5 per cent in both years, while the actual out-turns were 14.0 and 14.6 per cent of GNP, respectively. The actual current budget deficit in 1979 was 80 per cent greater than forecast in the 1979 Budget, while the 1980 out-turn was 50 per cent greater than the forecast in the 1980 Budget.

By the time this Government took office already the £500 million had been surpassed after less than half a year. We can see where we were heading in 1981 if the last administration had continued the way they were going. This point has to be stressed over and over again, because ostrich-like, burying-the-head-in-the-sand, irresponsible overspending conducted in the last administration was no more than an attempt to buy an election victory. As the mother of young children, I have seen seven-year-olds manage their First Communion money better than has been evident from what we have discovered has been the practice in the last administration. I come to this House directly from the ranks of housewives and I would like the House to consider the situation were all the housewives of Ireland to decide to troop in to their bank managers and ask for a loan to pay their weekly or monthly shopping bills. I know, and I am sure the House will agree, that the outcome of those interviews would be predictable. The bank manager would tell them that there was no way they could borrow for their day-to-day spending. On the other hand a couple who go to a bank manager or a lending agency to seek finance to build an extension to their home or perhaps to start a small business will receive a fair hearing because that is prudent borrowing. It appalls me that, with all the supposed expertise on the Opposition benches, they continued to take the course they took.

This is the background of why corrective action had to be taken swiftly after June when the Minister, Deputy Bruton, took office. The action that this Government will have to take will be unpleasant but the people realise we have to take these measures. The profligate, unrestrained spending of the last Fianna Fáil Government saw to this and the people realise that without such corrective action there will be a crisis of confidence of international proportions in our ability to manage our affairs. We do not pretend that the measures taken in July are the answer to everything. We realise that we are only starting, we are only down at the wiring under the floor-boards. We have set out over a period of Government of, we hope, four to five years to start to eliminate the current budget deficit. We must hope that the ordinary people out there, the people of Ireland, realise that we are only starting.

As well as all the other problems that we encountered on taking office a large number of price rises had been held over for political reasons. When we came into office it was our job to implement those price rises. I am confident and thankful that the electorate are far too sophisticated nowadays to be taken in by this. They were taken in by various proposals made in 1977, but they learned their lesson and now they are far too sophisticated to realise that you can hide something and leave somebody else to take up the burden later. In spite of all we found when we came into Government the Fianna Fáil Opposition are saying that no corrective measures are needed, never mind, there is no problem, everything will be fine, it will be sorted out. God knows, I hesitate to think where we would have ended had we continued down this slippery slope. Already many sectors have had to be helped out. The Department of the Environment had to allocate extra money to the local authorities to enable their house-building programmes to continue. The Minister for Education had to allocate extra moneys for the school transport service. Many services would have had to stop, to close the doors — sorry, no more, that is it — if we had continued without giving some extra financial aid in these areas. The remedial action had to be taken.

A few weeks ago the Taoiseach made timely reference to the fact that 80p out of every £1 collected in income tax goes to pay the interest on our national debt which stands now at about £8,000 million. Approximately £3,000 million of that is in foreign loans. We must concur with the Taoiseach when he declared that we must restore balance to our public finances by moving steadily and resolutely away from a situation where nearly £1 in every £2 the Government borrows is used to defray the budget deficit expenses. I will quote from The Sunday Times of 25 October 1981 something that the economics editor Sarah Hogg had to say:

Both European and American banks have been dangerously happy to lend Ireland sums which to them look like small change. But realists in Dublin know how sudden the change of creditors' mood can be, and are now acutely worried by the burden of servicing and repaying D-mark and dollar loans.

I submit that the last Government were dangerously happy to borrow these moneys and they just kept going. They did not even stop to see where they were heading. It was just hands out and these banks were dangerously happy to give money that was a pittance in their budgets.

Turning to pay increases, whether we have national understandings or not there is a real need to have a national consciousness for a pay policy and its cost effects on our international competitiveness. The whole question of pay in the public sector has to be looked at. We must show the public that we are getting value for our money. We must face fairly and squarely the reality that as a country we cannot condone or bear the burden of pay increases of the level that has been seen in previous years. We cannot continue with this mentality of "ask and you shall receive". That is suicidal. This Government are correct in not entertaining proposals which would involve pay increases of an enormous amount. With our high inflation rate large pay rises could lead only to cost increases which would erode further our competitive position in the marketplace and exacerbate our already serious balance of payments. Wage restraint is essential if jobs are to be protected and created. In the couple of months since I was elected I was very conscious of how deserving and aware the electorate are. They are not a stupid, uncaring, heads-buried-in-the-sand electorate. They are acutely aware of the problems facing this country. As a Government we cannot see these corrective measures taking effect unless we have the people behind us. That is why so many speakers from this side of the House are finding it necessary to point out how the situation was when we got into government. We have a duty to make the people aware of the problems facing us. We have a duty to make the people aware of the problems we encountered when taking office and of those that face us in the future. If they can see that the measures proposed by this Government have been studied and considered from all angles, then I am confident that they will back us and will do what they have to do to help to ensure that our policies are implemented.

The Government are now being encouraged from some quarters, namely, the IMF and the ESRI to postpone some of our tax reforms. A less courageous Government might well decide to do that but most people agree that tax reforms are long overdue. The equity of the income tax code is far from clear from the point of view of PAYE taxpayers. Proof of the demand for this change was seen from the thousands upon thousands of people who took to the streets of Dublin, in the last 50 or 60 years probably the biggest crowd of people to march in the streets except, perhaps, for the Eucharistic Congress and the Pope's visit in 1979.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 1.30 p.m. and resumed at 2.30 p.m.
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