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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 1 Jul 1982

Vol. 337 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - Movement of Calves.

I asked for permission to raise this matter on the Adjournment because, as many Deputies know, it is a matter which is causing some concern in the farming community. It is one that in the next few weeks could cause a number of problems and a great deal of worry. In view of the press reports and the discussions that have been taking place in the past few days, it is important that we look at the implications of recent measures.

The measure I refer to is the Bovine Tuberculosis (Attestation of the State and General Provisions) (Amendment) Order, 1982 dated 14 June. The operative section of the order is the provision which stated the following:

An animal which is six weeks of age or under may not be moved into or out of a holding or other land unless —

(a) it bears an approved ear-tag and is accompanied by an identity card issued by the Minister in respect of that animal, or

(b) it is moved to a place which, for the purpose of these Regulations, for the time being stands designated by the Minister as an ear-tagging centre.

This measure changes the situation in two principal ways. The first is that from now on all calves will be ear-tagged and will require an identity card. The second change is that by comparison with the present situation up to now calves under six weeks of age could be moved from clear herds without any formality. This was the situation as set out in the regulations. I stress the point that up to now the regulations provided that no animal could be moved from a locked-up herd without a test.

In practice the situation was different. We know there was an amount of movement of calves from locked-up herds without tests and this appears from the evidence brought forward to have given rise to a number of problems. What is causing concern today is the fact that while the regulations provided for the situation I have outlined, in practice this did not happen. It is only since the new regulation was brought into force that people have begun to realise the full import of what the existing regulations meant.

Equally, it would be fair to say that it is not until now that there has been a real prospect that even the existing regulations could be fully enforced on the ground. The reason I asked to raise this is that while the change in the regulations may not, on the face of it, appear to be very great, the difference it is going to make in practice could be considerable. It is incumbent on us to look at the situation and see what can be done about it.

I will give an example of the kind of thing that can happen. Take the case of a dairy herd which is locked up, perhaps through no fault of the farmer, where an outbreak of disease has been identified. That farmer is in the position that 20 per cent of his calves are retained in the herd for rearing and you will usually find that a corresponding number of heifers are coming on. Eighty per cent of calves born in that year will normally be sold. When the herd is locked up and with the full application of the present regulations, 80 per cent of the calves cannot be sold. In intensively run heavily stocked dairy farmer, with the full implementation of these regulations, the farmer concerned is now obliged to find a way of carrying five times as many calves as he normally would. He would have to carry those, plus any subsequent calves, until his herd is re-tested and found to be clear. It is the full realisation of this which is causing the serious problems to which I have referred and which, over the next few weeks, will give rise to a great deal of worry and discontent.

I would like to ask the Minister to clarify the extent and nature of the evidence which led him to make this extension of the order. Tagging and identity cards are a separate matter — that has to do with the calf subsidy scheme — but it has provided an opportunity to do something that has wider implications. Would the Minister also indicate what consultations, if any, he has had with the veterinary profession, the animal health council and with the farm organisations, because the nature of this particular measure is such that it needs a full examination on all sides to make sure that we are proceeding in a manner that will get the wholehearted support of the farming community for an objective we all share, to get rid of this disease, especially TB. What can we do to deal with the very serious economic problems that will now be more explicitly faced by the farmers concerned?

Last Friday, when we were discussing the agricultural Estimate, I had a number of comments to make about the difficulties in disease eradication caused by the present economic circumstances. There are many farmers around the country who are almost afraid to test because the economic penalty or disadvantage they suffer as a result of the identification of disease in their herd is now so severe that they have no possibility of absorbing the shock of this in their operations. I would like to ask the Minister to say what can be done to meet this situation, in the interests of the farmers concerned who are going to suffer serious economic difficulties, and in the interests of making substantial progress in this vital area of TB eradication. I want to make it very clear that I have raised this so that it can be discussed by farming organisations representing the professional interests of farmers, the veterinary profession on whom we rely for the ground work, and the animal health council which has shown a very serious commitment to getting on with the job.

I appreciate the spirit in which Deputy Dukes has raised this matter because, inevitably, there are difficulties to be ironed out, particularly in the introduction of this massive new scheme involving the payment to every calf born after 20 May, after six months rearing, of the premium of £ 22 per head.

I want to make it quite clear that this scheme is financed entirely by the EEC. If this was a scheme from our national Exchequer we could organise the regulations. We made our case in order to get this scheme moving on the basis that the Italians had a similar scheme operating. I held up a number of meetings of the Council of Ministers in Brussels and my main argument was that it was outrageous that Italy should have this preferential scheme while Ireland did not. Greece also made the case as she was in a similar category. At the end of the day Greece, Ireland and Italy have this calf premium scheme. We have to live with the scheme as it is operated by the Commission. The whole £ 37 million or £ 38 million which is the Estimate at present to finance this scheme is an entire total transfer from the EEC to us. Our officials discussed the matter with the EEC officials and had to draw up a scheme which was approved and administered by the Commission.

I appreciate that Irish circumstances are different. We all know the whole system of dealing in calves, particularly from dairy areas to livestock areas in this country, and the system of movement, is quite exceptional compared to other countries. It is further compounded by the point made by Deputy Dukes, that we are not having the success we desire in TB eradication and which we had in the case of brucellosis. We have now to adapt that scheme to Irish circumstances. I fully agree that we must consult with all of the interests concerned with a view to adapting it to Irish circumstances.

I had to get this scheme off the ground by 20 May. We had a difficult time getting it through in Brussels and we had to implement it within a few days of devising the final package in Brussels. That meant getting something done immediately so that calves could be tagged back to 20 May. As luck would have it, the start of the scheme did not coincide with the flush period of calf production. The real pressure is not on us, and we will learn by mistakes. It is imperative to have this scheme working fully and effectively by next January, February, March or April when the real flush of calves will come on the market. With a view to that I propose to consult with all the interests concerned in a very detailed way in the weeks ahead. The animal health council will be discussing the matter fully at a meeting on 14 July. I will be meeting the veterinary profession. I have already met the IFA and the ICMSA. Part of the problem is how to contain the locked up calves that are being sold in dairy areas and how to contain them for tagging purposes while, at the same time, not interfering with the traditional trading pattern of sales that take place from the dairy areas. That could present a real problem ——

The House rises at 9 p.m.

I will only be another few minutes.

The Chair wishes to indicate to the assembled Members that there is an order that the House rise at 9 o'clock. If there is agreement we can take a little bit longer.

The legal position has not changed apart from the new tagging procedure that is designed to qualify producer rearers for the new calf grant. Apart from that, there is no procedure in regard to the restrictions. The legal procedure has always been there. Deputy Dukes agreed that the regulations have not changed. There has been a practice of disposing of locked up calves but it has been, technically speaking, an illegal practice. The movement of untagged calves over the years has been a factor in the inability to control bovine TB. The Farmers' Journal of 19 June had a very informative front page article on this matter in which it said that the new tagging which perforce has to be introduced in order to implement the calf premium scheme, the very fact of that tagging and the information and the controls that will flow from that, will be an important factor in the eradication of bovine TB. I know that is a very basic factor as far as Deputy Dukes is concerned. I know the interest he took, when he was Minister for Agriculture, in disease eradication. He expressed it here last week and again today. The introduction of this system will be done in consultation with the various organisations concerned. A calf tagging scheme, as well as embodying a qualification for the calf premium, can be a very important factor in tracking down animals subsequently and in further strengthening the eradication of bovine TB.

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