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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 10 Feb 1983

Vol. 339 No. 11

Financial Resolutions, 1983. - Financial Resolution No. 14: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

The main thrust of this budget is simply to grab the income of all taxpayers, whether individuals or firms, and it does that for one purpose which is to maintain public services. I believe that the strategy agreed on is a mistaken one and it will prove costly for all of us. Almost certainly it will raise prices, it will make it difficult for Irish firms to continue to trade and it will depress living standards. It is self-evident even from a cursory glance that it will add to unemployment at a time when it is increasing by a few hundred people per day. It is not a balanced, equitable or fair budget. It seems to move to clobber the PAYE sector, grab the VAT and run. It will have the effect of bringing nearly half of the Irish taxpayers into the 45p taxation band. One out of every two taxpayers will have to pay that rate.

When in Opposition it is easy to suggest that there is nothing right in the budget and that all is wrong. I appreciate the difficulties that this, or any, Government would have in framing a budget where borrowing has got to a dangerous level and where the deficit has got virtually out of control. I appreciate the difficulty in trying to bring some order back into the public finances. To demonstrate the seriousness of the situation, all I need to say is that three-quarters of total State expenditure goes on two items, the servicing of the national debt and on the following three Departments, Social Welfare, Education and Health — what might be called the social services Departments. The figure for economic services is just 9 per cent of total State expenditure. All the money we are taking in and all the revenue we are raising is simply going into social welfare, health, education and the public debt. The cost of servicing the public debt is now 26 per cent of total State expenditure. That is 26p in every £ of state expenditure straight out through the door to pay for the public debt.

Therefore it is with some appreciation of the problems and real difficulties facing the Government that I rise to speak on this issue. I do not propose to be so glib as to suggest that nothing had to be done and that we could carry on with deficits or borrowings of that size. To make such suggestions would not be credible considering the figures in front of us. However, I suggest that the Government had a few options, one of which they failed to take. Without intending to be involved in adversary politics, I suggest that one of the main reasons why they dodged this option was the involvement of the Labour Party in Government. The Government decided on the option of higher taxation. They had the other option of controlling expenditure much more tightly than they did and the Minister for Finance yesterday made this clear when he said and I quote:

The main impact of today's budget on the current budget deficit will be largely through tax changes, ...

He went on to point out that expenditure adjustments will be the primary focus later during the coming year. Therefore, quite clearly he admits that he took option No. 1 which was quite simply to pile on taxation. Option No. 2 is that for which this House and the people have been crying out for a long time, that is, a strict, urgent control of public expenditure. Fine Gael perhaps would have been able to exercise that option. I believe the involvement of the Labour Party in Government effectively made it impossible to have that option exercised. My reading of the situation is that the Labour Party could not countenance a reduction or stronger control of public expenditure. It is clear, therefore, that no significant controls or cuts have been arrived at.

Current expenditure now is nearly 50 per cent of GNP in this year 1983. It is up two points since 1982 and up by an incredible 14 percentage points since 1978. In 1978 current expenditure was 36 per cent of GNP and it is now 50 per cent. The Government took the soft option of simply piling on taxation. I reiterate that I do not advocate a return to stronger deficit budgeting or an increase in borrowing or any turn-about at all from the line that has been embarked on which is to reduce public expenditure, control the deficit and bring about a recovery of the State's finances. I do not advocate departing from that broad strategy, but in this budget as the start to that process the incorrect option, the softer option, was purchased.

I welcome the idea that borrowing may be reduced to 13.5 per cent of GNP by the end of the year, but in welcoming it I predict that we will not reach it because there is no coverage here for the public sector pay deal which I am sure has yet to be thrashed out. When that is done it will put a hole in that borrowing figure.

This budget has had and will have the effect of deflating the already absolutely flattened Irish economy. It has taken £350 million out of the Irish economy in extra taxation. It just put in its hand and whisked out £350 million in 1983. It is an extremely unimaginative budget and an extremely dull way to approach the recovery of the State's finances. It slashes the capital programme without putting forward any suggestions as to how the private sector perhaps could take up that investment or where that money could be found in the private sector or other sources rather than directly from the Exchequer. I reiterate that a reaction to the budget is that there is nothing in it which is positive in the way of a stimulus to the Irish economy. There is no encouragement in it to invest, no imagination, no scheme to help people to invest. One scheme I suggested to the Minister previously, and I do so again, is a scheme which operates in Britain whereby an ordinary individual — you, I, anybody else — if he wishes to invest in small industry, small companies, particularly manufacturing companies, is allowed tax relief for making that investment. That encourages people not just to save but to invest in Irish industry. That is the kind of imaginative scheme that I was seeking in a budget like this. I was looking for imagination which would help the people to get up off their knees and would give them some encouragement. Unfortunately, all I can see in the Minister's speech is an extremely pessimistic and very flattening approach to the whole economy. I find it most disappointing and if that is so the hundreds of thousands of youngsters out there will be extremely depressed by it. They will just brush it aside with one wave of their hands as being more talk from the politicians and will not regard it as a real attempt to tackle the issues. In that regard I see no attempt to tackle employment in the budget.

The Taoiseach exhorted all of us to be more innovative. He asked for more innovation in Irish industry and in all of our lives. He asked Irish industry to set about innovation. There is no innovation in this budget, no incentive for people to adopt that approach. That point must be stitched in at a time like this. Having said that there is no incentive to Irish industry, I will go the other way and say that the budget will have a directly opposite effect. For example, it has introduced an advance corporation tax. It has put VAT up from 18 per cent to 23 per cent which, by the way, is an increase of 28 per cent. That is a cost to Irish industry. The cost structure of Irish firms now will go extremely wrong following these increases. On this theme of cost to industry, PRSI is now 11.6 per cent for industry and 6.5 per cent for the employee. Individual companies who employ more people pay more tax. Is that not a tax on jobs, on employment? Costs in Irish industry will be much higher as from today. In specific terms it is the increase from £9,500 to £13,000 in the PRSI limit which will have this effect. I suggest that it will cost a firm the sum of £400 per annum for every employee paid over £13,000. Is that not a beautiful State policy? You employ someone to whom you pay a very good salary, over £13,000, and this budget now asks you, an employer, to pay another £400 in PRSI on top of the salary which you are already paying. To the extent that there is an average firm that one change of the PRSI will cost the average firm between £50,000 and £100,000 a year. Therefore, what would you do if you were the owner of a small factory or company today? What would you do on sitting back finally and looking at the difficulties besetting your industry? I suggest that you would reduce staff pretty fast. You would say, "If that is what the State are doing, putting an extra £400 or so on every employee I take on and increasing my costs in this way through VAT of 28 per cent and bringing in this advance corporation tax, I will simply turn around to my board of directors and ask them to reduce the number of people we have employed in this firm". Is that not the logical conclusion for any manager to reach today?

Having said that, I welcome the VAT on imports change. It will be a relief to the small firm. I welcome also the stock relief which too will be a relief to industry.

However, overall in terms of employment not only has the budget not come in with some imaginative schemes to increase employment, it has gone out of its way, it would seem, deliberately to prevent firms who want to expand doing so. It has devised a whole list of extra costs for Irish industry which will simply have them throwing their hands in the air and saying that if it is to cost them so much more to employ so many more people they do not want to know anything about it. In that regard it was wise of the Government to include a provision — if I am wrong in this I can be corrected — for the first time ever specifically for unemployment, which I see in a table at the end of the Minister's speech, of £31 million. It is wise to provide that type of money, but it is also an admission that these costs loaded on Irish industry will drive more people on to the streets and the dole queues. It cannot have any other effect. It is quite logical that that will be the effect of it. This is borne out by the figure the Government have of £31 million to pay for what they call increased unemployment. This is perhaps one of the first budgets in which a Government have actually said there will be extra unemployment. Most Governments throughout the years have said: "We expect a reduction this year in unemployment because of this scheme or that scheme". This is the first time we have a Government saying officially that unemployment will rise and they are providing money to pay for it. They are virtually saying that one of the causes of that is the sheer severity of this budget.

There is a figure in the budget of £75 million for negative buoyancy. It says "buoyancy" in the Minister's statement, but when you do your sums on it you see that it is negative buoyancy. I am a relatively new Member of the House but this must be the first time a Government have actually said that because of the severity of this budget they expect a negative buoyancy. They are saying they expect to get in £75 million less than they budgeted for. Every other Minister for Finance regarded buoyancy as something on the way up, not something on the way down. I do not know what the opposite to buoyancy is, perhaps it is sinking fund or something like that. That is precisely what is in that statement we heard in the House yesterday. The Government are admitting, with the £31 million, that unemployment will rise and they are also admitting they will not get in the amount of money they have budgeted for because of the severity of the budget. They are simply saying it is a very severe budget, they have put on a vicious VAT increase and because of that they know consumer demand will fall and they know they will get in less than they planned for. There is a lot of admission in the Minister's statement yesterday.

The non-changing of the tax bands, the 1 per cent levy on incomes and the abolition of the interest allowance for personal borrowings will have a devastating effect on disposable income. Disposable income, which the economists are fond of calling it but which to most of us is simply what we take home when the State has had its share, is taking a nose dive. Our disposable income will be so small that we will not have many items to spend it on. This will have a consequent effect on the amount of VAT the State will collect. I predict today that the State's view of what it will get in extra VAT is grossly exaggerated. I believe VAT collection in the next 12 months will collapse because of the small amount of disposable income the average person will have when all of this is taken into account.

I would like to make a brief comment on the property tax, which is supposed to take in £10 million this year. I have no objection in principle to this but there are enormous practical problems. Any Minister for Finance would be very wise indeed to be aware of those practical problems.

I notice from the Minister's statement yesterday that the person owning a house valued at over £65,000 is in fact the person who will make the statement to the Revenue Commissioners of the value of his or her house. It seems to be a very liberal approach to taxation to be allowed to state the value of your house. I believe, unless the Minister can convince me to the contrary, that this is a nice idea but it will not work. By the time he gets the people with over £20,000 with houses of £65,000, he adds both of those figures together and by the time those people's accountants, tax experts and lawyers as well as property valuers have dealt with it there will be nothing like £10 million left for the State. I would be very surprised if that brings in more than £3 million in the current year. I believe there will be an enormous shortfall. I can see the Minister for Finance saying next year that due to administrative difficulties it was impossible to collect the full figure announced in this year's budget.

I should make it clear, in order to get into perspective what has happened here, that 18 months ago the rate of VAT was 10 per cent and it is now 23 per cent. That is where the State is getting its money. That demonstrates the size of this increase and the way it has crept up in that period. There is a tremendous burden on the ordinary family today and this will lead to great social pressures on them. Let us take a middle income family earning £11,000. Before the budget that person paid £1,800 in tax. After yesterday's budget he will pay an extra £250 in taxation and PRSI. This is a married couple with three children paying on a mortgage of £20,000 repayments of approximately £3,000 per annum. It does not stop there. It is admitted by the budget that the consumer price index will go up by approximately 3½ per cent but most economists today suggest it will be about 5 per cent. If you apply that to a person's disposable income, then after the person I have in mind pays his tax and by the time he pays VAT on petrol, post office charges, losing interest on overdraft reliefs and the various other items and applying this percentage to it that person, without an increase in salary, will end up being out of pocket by approximately a further £1,000 as a result of this budget. Yesterday that person earned £11,000 but today he is earning only £10,000. His costs have not gone down. He still has the ordinary home expenses to look after. That person would need a substantial increase to even get back to where he was before the State moved in yesterday and took approximately £1,000 out of his salary of £11,000. That is a Robin Hood type of operation.

There is a clear need for reform in the personal taxation system. The report of the Commission on Taxation, which we all put such faith in, is still lying on the shelves with so many other State reports. There has not been any serious attempt made to implement it in any way. We must get down to doing that pretty soon. The personal taxation system is unfair. If you are paying tax at 65 per cent you get your reliefs at 65 per cent. If you are paying tax at 35 per cent, you get your reliefs at 35 per cent. That is not tax equity. It means that if you are lucky enough to be in the higher bracket then the particular allowance you get against your income is worth correspondingly more to you. It is also quite clear that the tax system for the ordinary person is too complicated. We will have to devise a very simple system of personal taxation where a person can virtually account for his or her own taxation. Each person should be able to get a sheet of paper, simply lay everything out on it and know where he or she stands. The present system is far too complicated. It is unnecessary and should be simplified for the ordinary individual who can see the effect of all those things.

Overall, there is an enormous imposition of taxation in this budget. To take one example, though it may not be a regular example, a single person who is lucky enough to be earning £15,000 per year will pay almost £7,000, that is, about 45 per cent of his income, immediately in taxation. That is no way in which to encourage people to do their best for their country. By the time one will have his direct taxation paid, he will not have enough money left to enable him to pay very much by way of indirect taxation and that situation will mean less for the Exchequer by way of VAT. In other words, the stage of diminishing returns has been reached in our taxation. This budget has brought that concept out into the open.

I wish to refer briefly to the cuts. The capital budget for the Housing Finance Agency is being cut by £13 million. I understand that is based on the fact that the building societies have more funds available now so that there is no need for the £13 million so far as the agency are concerned, but that is crazy thinking. There is no comparison between borrowing money from the Housing Finance Agency and from the building societies. The agency were set up to facilitate people with smaller incomes. The mortgages are repaid over a longer period than is the case with the building societies. There is no point in thinking that we can cut the budget of the agency in this way and still expect to house the same number of people. I would ask the Minister to reconsider his decision in this matter. Otherwise, what will happen will be that the number of people both in this city and throughout the country who are unhoused will continue to increase.

The idea of cutting capital expenditure is somewhat new in Irish economic philosophy. There was a time when both Ministers and Opposition spokesmen would regard capital expenditure as being sacrosanct. The idea was that to cut capital expenditure would damage employment. However, I notice a major policy change in this budget. That sacred cow is being slashed. The Government are taking £18 million off telecommunications and £6 million off the IDA. I wonder if this is the first time in the history of the IDA that their capital budget has been reduced. I suspect it is. The same goes for SFADCo and the Údarás na Gaeltachta development agencies. The transport budget is to be cut by £4 million on the capital side while there is a cut of £18 million in the capital budget for roads and sanitary services. I do not object to the cutting of capital expenditure in some area, in areas where one will not be able to see a return for his investment but to take £6 million from the IDA at a time when, as the Government admit in the budget, there are no clear plans for Irish employment is lunacy. We cannot cut capital programmes without creating difficulties. For years the IDA have shown a clear return for their investment. They should be given the necessary money to continue their work. The cutting of the sanitary services programme by £18 million is not very clever either.

This is one of the dullest budgets I have ever read. Does it make any sense to include a figure of £31 million to provide for additional unemployment while at the same time taking £18 million off road and sanitary services because we cannot afford that this year? Would it not be a lot better to switch into roads and sanitary services some of the £31 million that we are providing for additional unemployment? Then we could afford the £18 million. I realise that that is a simple argument and that there are more complex problems involved, but does it not make some sense? The Government's approach is totally defeatist and is an admission that they expect increased unemployment. I implore them to put some thought and imagination into what they are doing. There are hundreds of thousands of people unemployed and I am confident that if there was some imagination on the part of the people opposite, we could reduce those numbers by a large figure.

In addition to admitting that unemployment is increasing, the Government admit also that they will not get the VAT they are asking for because of the severity of the budget. At the same time they are cutting the capital expenditure programme. This is not fair to the thousands of young people seeking work.

The Government are saying to them that it is preferable to pay unemployment money and to leave capital projects undone. Why not go ahead with the capital projects, perhaps through the Youth Employment Agency, and give these young people some of this money for doing the work?

Many speakers from the Government side have been challenging people on this side all day to say what we would do in regard to reducing the deficit. I am not attacking for the sake of attack. All I am saying is that I cannot find any ideas in the budget that would lead to a reduction in unemployment and I am suggesting that if the capital projects to which I have referred are restored to the agenda and are financed by way of reducing the unemployment money provided for in this budget, we would be doing a good day's work. That is a specific suggestion and I trust that at least it will be considered seriously.

Generally, my main point is to suggest that the strategy this Government have adopted is wrong. Reducing the deficit, bringing down expenditure and bringing public finances into control are moves in the correct direction but it is within that direction that the Government have taken the wrong option in this budget. They should have controlled expenditure more tightly and brought in some imaginative schemes to boost industry. There should have been only a modest increase in taxation to allow people more disposable income and thereby help to boost the economy. At the outset of his speech yesterday, the Minister said that we are on the brink of a severe recession, that the natural reaction to this situation would be to prepare a budget which would give a fiscal stimulus to the economy. In other words, he admits that that would be the obvious course to take at a time of recession. Then he says he does not have the money but that is not good enough. I know he does not have the money but there is money on the other side of the balance sheet which can be diverted to give him the kind of budget he knows he should have brought in, a budget which would give a fiscal stimulus to the economy.

Mortgage relief changes, VAT, PAYE changes and so on, hit young people more than settled people. By now, settled people have bought their cars, furniture and houses and hopefully are getting their mortgages under some control, and their salaries are beginning to rise as they get into their middle years. That is the theory, although I am aware it is not the case for every family. On the other hand, young people who are not settled have to pay this extra VAT. Their mortgage relief is being cut — a person who bought a house ten years ago does not have that problem — and they have to pay VAT on their cars and furniture and their salaries are small. This budget hits at young people, half the population, in a particularly hard way.

This budget will ensure weak consumer demand throughout 1983. Inflation will probably be of the order of 11 per cent or 12 per cent and output in growth will be nil. This is a very bleak prospect. The Government admit they will not be the engine of growth because they have cut back the capital programme and resorted to being a tax collector. That seems to be the new role of the Department of Finance. I remember when that Department saw themselves with a broader role, a role for providing the engine of growth for the economy. Where is that enterprise, where is that engine of growth to come from now that the Government and the Department seem to have abdicated from playing that role?

This is the first time I have seen in a Budget Statement a deliberate admission that unemployment will rise, that a particular figure was provided for that increase, while admitting there will be no growth in the economy next year. There has to be growth in the economy. If the Government cannot tackle these capital projects which they say they are abandoning why not look elsewhere and find someone else who can — private or even foreign investment? For me the most depressing aspect of this budget is the fact that the Government say all these projects need to be undertaken but they cannot undertake them because they do not have the money, while on the other hand they are paying out millions of pounds in social welfare and other benefits.

What do I tell the young people I meet when they ask me what is going to happen to them next year? Am I to tell them I am sorry but that all the projects for this year have been cancelled but that they can relax because extra money has been provided by way of social welfare benefits which they can collect on the appropriate days? As for enterprising growth, the Government admitted they cannot do anything this year and have not allowed anybody else to do anything either. If they cannot tackle these capital projects, they should call in somebody who can. I have heard from this side of the House the philosophy of the State company as being a body which fills a gap the private sector could not fill. Has that role been reversed? Are we at the stage where we will have to ask the private sector to fill the gap the public sector cannot fill? If so, we should admit it. All the Minister said yesterday was that when the Government got the public finances under control all else would follow. All else does not follow from that. You have to create the atmosphere for enterprise and initiative and this budget clearly does not do that.

There have been cuts announced on the current side which I welcome. Unemployment benefit has been reduced from 40 per cent of pay for the first six months to 25 per cent starting in April; the overall benefits ceiling for disability benefit purposes has been reduced from 100 per cent of income to 80 per cent, and the restriction on short time working payments have been reduced from three to two days. These measures are welcome. This is an attempt to get back to a social welfare philosophy which means that the people who need social welfare get it, but the people who abuse the system rather than show some spark of enterprise do not get State funds.

I hold a very strong belief that nobody should get State funds unless he needs them. A person should not get State funds because he happens to qualify technically under some Act, because it is in that technical area that we are losing a great deal of money on the social welfare front. Let us get our economic and social philosophy clear. We should say there is a point below which we do not allow our people to fall and that point should be clearly defined, but I wonder are we wise to put an upper limit as was done yesterday when we introduced a tax rate of 65 per cent. By doing this senior executives, entrepreneurs, managers and so on will be less inclined to take risks, establish firms or open the factories we need to get the taxes to run the social welfare services.

I want to comment briefly on the National Development Agency for which the Government have provided £10 million this year. As I said on a number of occasions, I regard this agency as an albatross. I do not see it filling the role this economy vitally needs. In years to come we will be faced with a National Development Agency costing this State probably more in annual subvention than CIE are costing us at present — this year £100 million. This is another layer of bureaucracy which will probably employ more public servants than the workers who will be employed directly in industry. This may be seen as a defeatist attitude but I do not agree. I think the Government are going in the wrong direction and this is the wrong time.

While I applaud the effort to reduce the current budget deficit to £897 million, the Government do not have a chance of getting anywhere near that figure. The deficit will be higher at the end of the year than it is now. I do not say that with any gladness because I would like to see it reduced, but the Government have not allowed for an increase in public service pay. They assume it will be 0 per cent but we know it will not. When pressure is exerted the Government will cave in, a settlement will be arrived at, a Supplementary Estimate will be introduced and later in the year there will be a supplementary budget. Has it been worth all this trouble to depress the economy for the sake of ending up with a current budget deficit next year approximately the same as we have this year? As for managing to reduce it over a four or five year period, I am very pessimistic about any Government, whoever they are, being able to do that. It is very easy for us to write it down, but not so easy to do it.

The Government in this budget had the option of controlling public expenditure instead of going for the soft option of increased taxation. They went for the option of increased taxation. The budget includes a figure of £75 million which is a negative buoyancy figure — an admission by the Government that consumer demand will be so small next year that they will get in less than they have budgeted for in value-added tax. They admit that they have taken so much from people in direct taxation leaving them with such a small disposable take-home income that they will not be able to spend it on the value-added tax items on which the Government are relying. Most pressingly, I stress that the capital project which has been shelved could have gone ahead by seeing how the unemployment figures could be matched with the cancelled projects. I express my total despair at the completely negative approach towards trying to boost our economy and put an engine of growth into it. The Government say the State cannot do it and, with a dog in the manger approach, they have no ideas, no imagination as to who else can. I totally support the Government's efforts to reduce the deficit and foreign borrowing, but in the process to pay a price for which the young people will not thank us by the time this year is out is foolish.

In reply to Deputy Brennan, nobody welcomed the thought of this budget which, by its very nature, had to be severe. We are living with the legacies left us by previous Fianna Fáil Governments which failed to face up to the problems confronting us. As a result, we now have a vast number of people in the public sector and a vast public pay bill with an ever-diminishing industrial and productive sector. This makes our task very difficult indeed. The disastrous policies pursued as a result of the 1977 manifesto have got us into this corner and it will be extremely difficult to get out of it.

Creating jobs in the public sector was not a very wise policy decision. Borrowing foreign money at great cost to provide jobs in the public sector was not very clever. It would have been far better if that money had been put to productive use. Because it was not, we find ourselves in this dreadful impasse. Might I point out that Deputy Brennan's present leader, Deputy Haughey, on taking over leadership of the Fianna Fáil Party and of Government in 1979 quickly identified and diagnosed the problems confronting our economy and then proceeded to do nothing about them. That is precisely why we find ourselves in the present invidious position. If action had been taken at that time, we would not be in our dreadful economic condition forcing us to increase taxation, cut public expenditure drastically or, as we have done in this budget, a combination of both. It has not been an easy task, but it had to be done and in the most equitable manner possible. Every sector has been tackled and asked to pay a little more.

If our people have what I believe they have — great resilience, patriotism and public spirit, they will face up to this challenge which amounts to a real drop in living standards. Further, there will be a real drop for several years to come, because there is no magic wand or crock of gold. We have to face hard reality. The Irish race are capable of facing, and enjoy, a challenge. They will not succumb under tough measures. Is it not a fact that we can emigrate, as our forebears did, and set other countries all over the world on their feet — the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Britain? We can build from nothing. Here we are in a morass, a mess of our own making, in this thinly populated country with splendid natural advantages. It is about time we shook ourselves up. I believe that the public fully realise that we are in this predicament of our own making and are willing to put their shoulders to the wheel. I hope that I am right because, if not, the outlook is certainly very bleak. If these problems had been tackled at an earlier date, they would not now be so intense.

In this budget, the Government have set out in clear terms what must be done to restore the national economy to the position where we can sustain growth in output, jobs and wealth. At the present time, we face very severe difficulties. The public finances are in serious imbalance. The current external deficit remains unacceptably large, while unemployment is very high and is still rising. The rate of unemployment, as one can see from the figures given in the budget, is rising at a far greater rate than was budgeted for by the outgoing Government. This has given us considerable difficulty in that we have had to provide for a further £31 million because of the unanticipated rate of increase in unemployment. Inflation and the increase in domestic costs need to be brought under effective control. I have already referred to the increase in domestic costs.

Action to overcome these problems has already been initiated and the budget now takes the process a major step forward. As was said in our Programme for Government, the task of halting and reversing the growth of unemployment, while phasing out the current budget deficit, poses a greater challenge than that faced by any Irish Government domestically since the early years of the State. We as a Government recognise this challenge and are prepared to face up to it.

The Government's policies are designed to enhance the competitiveness of the goods and services we produce and which we must sell on export markets. The decline in competitiveness in recent years has been responsible for a great deal of avoidable unemployment. We must continue to pursue domestic budgetary policies that will phase out the current deficit by 1987. This will have to be undertaken with due regard to present economic conditions and, in particular, to the importance of achieving economic growth, dealing with unemployment and expanding exports. Our greatest problem with regard to unemployment in recent years is that we have not been competitive. Our costs have risen astronomically and we cannot compete with fellow member countries of the EEC in any industrial sectors. In other words, we have been paying ourselves above the limit to which we are entitled to, giving ourselves more than our efforts merit. As a result, we have become uncompetitive. Jobs have been lost and are continuing to be lost and until we get inflation costs down, there is no real prospect of unemployment being stopped or slowed down. It is not good enough to say that the way to solve the problem is by injecting more money into capital projects. We must inject whatever money we have into truly productive sectors, principally industry and farming.

The main impetus to growth is, in fact, expected to come from a further increase in the volume of exports. As I will explain shortly, a substantial recovery in agricultural exports is envisaged. The only secure, long-term basis for the expansion of employment is the production of goods and services by enterprises, public and private, on a basis competitive with those produced by competing countries. Given the continuing rapid rate of increase in the size of our labour force there is little prospect of any reduction in the number out of work during 1983 and, indeed, some further deterioration could occur. As I have said, we have budgeted for that already; it is unfortunate but it is facing up to the facts. The extent of any worsening in the labour market situation will be critically influenced by the trend in competitiveness in 1983. Against this background it is clear that all sectors of the economy must make a really significant effort if we are to achieve substantial economic progress. The Government will be looking to agriculture to play its full role and I am confident that it will do so, as it has done in the past.

1982 was a year of recovery in farming following three poor years. Output of milk increased by some 9 per cent and that of cereals by 5 per cent, while the output of sugar beet set an all-time record. Because of these favourable developments gross agricultural output was up by approximately 3 per cent in volume terms. As a result of some fall in the level of inputs used by farmers, net agricultural output increased by about 6 per cent. After adjusting for various other farming expenses family farm incomes per head grew by over 20 per cent in nominal terms. With an inflation rate of approximately 17 per cent this gave rise to a real increase in income. However, I might point out that a considerable amount of the agricultural expansion we experienced in 1982 was due to something which is always a variable factor in this country, that is climatic conditions, and 1982 was a most favourable year for farming in this country, indeed in western Europe in general, when yields of milk were exceptionally high. I think the overall increase was something in the nature of 8 per cent. That has had an adverse effect in some ways. The same type of increase in the volume of output of milk, cereals and other products has given rise to surpluses on European and EEC markets. The problem is that the developed countries, who are paying for the EEC agricultural policy, are demanding that there be a cut-back in prices. That is one of the adverse effects of having had a good year in 1982. They are inclined to cite 1982 as a typical year whereas it was an exceptional one. They are inclined to use the existence of surpluses as an excuse to reduce or peg-back price increases. There was the extraordinary spectacle in Brussels in recent weeks when the British asked that there be no price increase for agricultural produce in 1983. They want prices pegged at the 1982 level. This type of attitude poses very serious problems for our agricultural sector. Britain are alone in their attitude that prices should be pegged at the 1982 level but other major contributors to the EEC budget, such as Germany, are also advocating a strategy of very minor price increases. Certainly that does not bode well for our farmers in 1983. It is something we shall have to resist very strongly and, hopefully, we shall have some allies in our fight for increased prices in 1983 above those at present being offered which are, on average, 3.2 per cent.

The outlook for 1983 is one of continued growth for farm output and income but, of course, the income segment of that will be affected unless we can improve on the offer made by the Agricultural Commission in Brussels. Projections by the Central Bank, the Economic and Social Research Institute and the Agricultural Institute indicate that the volume of gross agricultural output will grow by some 2 to 3 per cent in 1983. Net agricultural output should grow by some 3 per cent. As a result, incomes arising in agriculture are projected to increase by approximately 15 per cent in nominal terms. In the light of a forecast decline in the rate of inflation this implies a second year of real income growth for farmers. While the magnitude of this year's projected increases in output and incomes is not as large as that of the mid to late seventies, nevertheless there should be a second year of solid growth with agriculture setting a most desirable example for the rest of the economy. In referring to that I might point out that we are resisting and will very strenuously resist the proposal in the Green Paper issued by the EEC Commission this week. As one way of financing the common agricultural policy those proposals advocated the imposition of a tax on agricultural activity. If implemented that would have grave consequences for this country.

Therefore, there is a very real threat to the common agricultural policy at present. The developed countries are advocating that it should be scrapped, dismantled and that some new system for financing agriculture should be devised. That is not in our interest. We joined the EEC because of the inherent benefits to agriculture from the common agricultural policy. If those benefits are to be eroded it will have grave repercussions on our economy.

There are already some very disturbing trends within the EEC. These must be scrutinised and resisted if they are going to affect our economy. The expansion of the EEC gives rise to a problem in that the countries who have just joined produce considerable quantities of agricultural goods. At the same time these countries have severe infrastructural deficiencies, with a very under-developed agricultural sector. I refer in particular to Greece and to the impending accession of Spain and Portugal. Those three countries produce vast quantities of what I might describe as Mediterranean produce, whether it be citrus fruits, wine, cereals, olive oil or other products. If these countries are going to produce surpluses within the EEC it is obvious that the funding of the common agricultural policy will be diversified. To date they have been funding primarily northern European produce such as milk, beef and, to a certain degree, cereals. But if we are to share the same fund with Mediterranean produce on a huge scale it will mean there will be less for the products we produce.

Therefore, we must resist the temptation by these countries to maintain the EEC budget at its present level, accommodating more agricultural produce within the scope of the common agricultural policy. Certainly I shall be advocating that the EEC budget be increased substantially to cater for the additional members, Greece, Spain and Portugal, and that the increase would not come from a tax on agricultural activity as has been proposed by Commissioner Tugendhat. I will be asking our Government to ensure that the additional moneys are raised by an increase in the EEC budget, in the 1 per cent VAT which is at present the system of financing the EEC agricultural budget. We are under serious threat because of this additional membership. We are under threat because of the resistance of developed countries to spending more money on the common agricultural policy, notwithstanding the fact that these countries — whether it be Britain, Germany, France, Belgium or Holland — have all gained considerably from the EEC. It is very hard to define where the gains are because no record is kept of industrial output, sales or invisible assets they obtain through their activity within the EEC. They can easily define the money spent on the common agricultural policy but we cannot define the benefits they receive through increased industrial activity and the elimination of tariffs and other duties. There must be equity in the EEC. They must not be allowed to erode what benefits us. They have increased access to a market of 260 million people and do not have to pay anything more for that.

The growth in agricultural output in 1982 and the prospects for further growth this year should generate a worthwhile upturn in the volume of agricultural exports in 1983. There should be a further slight build-up of agricultural stocks as the restocking cycle which commenced in 1982 makes further progress. On this basis and given the current level of intervention stocks which are expected to be sold abroad, the Central Bank forecasts that the volume of agricultural exports will increase by 12 per cent.

While speaking about intervention stocks it might be worthwhile to refer to threats which may affect our sales of agricultural produce. It is alarming to find that the US are selling vast quantities of agricultural produce on the world market. In some cases they are seriously undercutting members of the EEC and that includes Ireland. Last week the US made a deal to sell an enormous quantity of flour to Egypt a country which was formerly a good EEC customer. In the last few months they sold vast quantities of skim powder to Mexico which was a very large Irish market. We used to sell £20 million to £40 million worth of skim milk powder to Mexico. There is a threat from the US to sell produce to third countries which were formerly EEC customers. This creates a problem for the EEC. It is vital that we get rid of these stocks.

In the Council of Ministers in Brussels recently I have had occasion to cross swords with my British counterparts regarding the import of butter from New Zealand. Last October the EEC made a deal to accept 87,000 tons of New Zealand butter into the community in 1983. We will honour that deal. One of the conditions attached to it was that there should be free disposal of surplus stocks of butter within the EEC. Our best customer is the Soviet Union. Unfortunately due to domestic political pressures in Britain and a forthcoming election in Germany pressures have been brought to bear on the EEC to impose conditions on the sale of butter to the USSR which are not acceptable. It is unfortunate that we should have to be at loggerheads with our major trading partner, Britain, but it is due to internal politics in Britain and Germany. We can appreciate how when a general election is looming people like to be seen to be cleaner than clean and Germans do not want to be seen to sell butter at a reasonably cheap rate to Russia for obvious reasons. However, we contend that the EEC are selling other agricultural produce to Russians without any conditions attached. They sell wheat and wine. We do not see why we should be prohibited from selling butter to them while we allow vast quantities of imports from New Zealand. We will hold out for a reasonable condition of sale to Russia and oppose any long-term recognition of imports into the EEC from New Zealand. We will honour our agreement subject to the other countries honouring their agreement with regard to allowing us to dispose of our surplus. We are not ill-disposed towards the New Zealand people or towards their imports into the EEC. We will honour our bargain but we must make a stand when our case is being weakened and we are not allowed to sell butter out of intervention freely to the Russians on the same terms as to any other third country. It is not our intention to promote the sale of cheap butter to the USSR but to sell under the same terms as apply to other countries.

In the circumstances of our present economic situation, it is essential that policies for the individual sectors of the economy should be aligned with and be complementary to the national objectives set out in the Government's programme. As I have said, priority must be given to fostering economic recovery and growth through measures to improve competitiveness. In essence, policy will have to reflect the basic principle that growth in incomes must be achieved through expansion of output and improvement of productivity. This holds true for all sectors of the economy, including agriculture. It in turn implies that so far as State spending on agriculture is concerned Exchequer resources must be directed increasingly to those items which can contribute most to the achievement of higher farm output and thus better farm incomes. In view of the limited Exchequer resources available, agriculture has to make its contribution to the savings which have to be realised in 1983. All Departments have to contribute to the saving in expenditure and agriculture will have to take its share of the burden.

It is inevitable that this must involve some changes in the current pattern of agricultural spending. The changes now being made were decided upon having regard to the need to avoid an adverse impact on production, to spread the resources available in the best manner possible and to lead in due course to savings on staff and administration. I have sought to ensure as far as possible that farmers working their holdings efficiently would not have brakes put on their productive efforts and that their enterprise would not be hindered by penalties or other forms of discouragement.

We have introduced major cuts in the farm modernisation scheme. We have suspended it until late autumn 1983 when I hope we will bring back the more productive elements of the scheme. Contrary to what has been said by some commentators, we have not eliminated the scheme completely. Land reclamation continues as previously. Western development and western drainage projects continue as previously. What has been affected are primarily buildings, fixed and mobile equipment and fixed assets. The farm modernisation scheme has been in operation since the mid-seventies. In those years we spent £1,000 million on the scheme. We have achieved some wonderful results. It has built up the agricultural infrastructure and we see the benefit of that infrastructure by increasing output in productivity year after year. However, this investment has not been adequately reflected in the resulting volume of output growth. Some of the explanation may be that the adverse economic conditions of recent years prevented the realisation of the productive potential of the investment. Also, it may be that some of the investment undertaken was not of the type most capable of adding to agricultural production. Whatever the explanations, it is obvious that more critical consideration must be applied to the allocation of increasingly scarce resources, particularly while the potential created by the investment of the past decade has not yet been fully exploited. This investment has given the agricultural industry a sound base from which to expand.

With a view to making the best possible use of the limited Exchequer resources available, a number of modifications to the farm modernisation scheme are being made. Grants for farm buildings and fixed assets, including fixed equipment, are being suspended until later in the year to enable a full review of the cost effectiveness of the scheme to be finalised.

At this stage I cannot give a precise date for the acceptance of applications again but it is likely to be in the late autumn. It is then intended to introduce a revised grant system which will be more selective than hitherto and will aim to concentrate expenditure on the most desirable areas of on-farm investment with particular emphasis on basic live-stock housing requirements.

Grants for keeping farm accounts are being terminated. Farmers are by now well aware of the benefits to good farm management of keeping accounts, and it is considered that grant-aid from public funds is no longer necessary to ensure this. Progressive farmers will obviously continue to keep farm accounts as a useful tool of efficient farm management.

When schemes are introduced we all realise that they will not last for eternity. It is only sensible that schemes should last as long as they can educate people and give them a reasonable chance of learning and of getting involved in a practical way. That was the case with the farm accounts scheme which has been in operation for a lengthy period. People have had sufficient knowledge of it to benefit and they should be able to carry on doing accounts without the benefit of a grant. This applies to a number of other grants which have been eliminated.

The provision in the scheme for paying guidance premiums to development farmers who reorientate their production systems so as to concentrate on beef and sheep has not been availed of to any appreciable extent. Only about 1,000 farmers have availed of it over the past eight years. It was a scheme devised primarily to encourage people to get out of milk and to invest in intensive beef and sheep production. No further applications for these premiums or for grants for mobile equipment will be accepted and the group fodder scheme which has now served its purpose is also being terminated.

The total savings arising from these changes in the farm modernisation scheme will amount to £12.8 million in the present year. In the Book of Estimated I see that capital expenditure in the agricultural sector is cut by £16 million and I would contend that it should more accurately read £14 million because £2 million is included for arterial drainage, which is basically a matter for that section of the Department of Finance connected with the Office of Public Works. For some peculiar reason it is included in the Agriculture Estimate.

Some commentators have stated that the farm modernisation scheme is being dropped. That is completely wrong. Grants will continue to be available for land improvement under the farm modernisation scheme and also under the western drainage scheme and the programme for western development. Aids for farm buildings and fixed assets will also continue to be available under the programme for western development to farmers who follow an improvement plan oriented towards beef and sheep.

There will be a saving on staff as a result of these modifications to the farm modernisation scheme and this will be used to speed up inspections under other Departmental schemes, in particular the calf premium scheme and the calfed heifer scheme. This is the first year that the numbers of calves involved in the calved premium scheme are to be examined and tabulated on the farm so there is a need for extra staff in that division.

I might point out to the House an interesting statistic I came across in the course of the drawing up of the Estimates. People say we are cutting back on schemes and on valuable expenditure but not cutting back on staff and administration. That would appear to be a valid point and I can understand their annoyance that we might be cutting something which is productive and have staff idle as a result. We are endeavouring within the Department of Agriculture to move staff from areas where grants are being eliminated to areas where they are more badly needed. The Department of Finance have budgeted for a saving of £0.5 million in 1983 because of the cutback in the number of people employed in the farm home management system, on which I have been grilled many times. That was a decision taken by the previous Government. A saving of £0.5 million was anticipated by letting 141 people go from those services but it will cost the Government £100,000 in the current year to make those people redundant. It seems a crazy system but from examination of the case in question I have discovered that we would pay out £1.3 million to those people in salaries in 1983 but redundancy payments to them this year would amount to £1.4 million, so the cost to the Exchequer is £0.1 million rather than a saving of £0.5 million.

I agree totally with what the Minister says and I agree that it was a decision of the last Government. Would he be prepared to reconsider that decision?

With all due respect to Deputy Fahey, there was a question today on that subject and in replying I expressed my annoyance at having to confirm such an unpalatable decision. I have asked the ACOT board to reconsider the matter in a wider sense. They might be able to make savings elsewhere and retain the staff in question. Some compromise of that nature would be a step forward. It does not bode well for progression in farming to chop services which can be helpful in the advisory sphere. I am aware of the problem and I wish I could do something about it but unfortunately when we came into Government we found that the cuts that were envisaged were not sufficient and we had to make many more cuts. It is highly unsatisfactory but necessary. I am sorry it has to be done.

On-farm inspections of herds for the purposes of the calf premium scheme will have to be undertaken this year for the first time. These inspections will involve a very large number of additional farm visits and the diversion of staff resources from the farm modernisation scheme will greatly facilitate administration. Some of the staff made redundant on other schemes can be re-channelled to this scheme.

A new charge will be introduced for farm visits carried out by Departmental and ACOT staff in connection with the farm modernisation scheme. The charge will be collected by way of deduction from the grants payable to farmers under the scheme. I have been asked by a number of people what these charges will be. My latest information is that the charge per visit will be £20 but I do not know if a definite decision has been made on it. I should stress that the charge which will apply to visits on and from 1 March will relate only to farm visits connected with the farm modernisation scheme and not to ordinary advisory visits by agricultural advisers.

Debate adjourned.
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