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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 22 Mar 1983

Vol. 341 No. 3

Social Welfare Bill, 1983: Second Stage (Resumed) .

Question again proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

: This Social Welfare Bill confronts every Deputy in this House with a far-reaching decision, a clear-cut policy decision which will directly affect the weekly household budgets and the standard of living of thousands of lower income families. It is neither emotional nor an exaggeration to say that the standard of the meals, clothing, heating and other comforts provided in thousands of homes will be actually lowered if this Bill is passed.

The vote we are about to take is not about accepting or not accepting the realities of our present economic situation or acknowledging that the country faces economic and financial difficulties. There is no argument about the existence of these difficulties. Instead the decision we are about to take is concerned with the manner in which those difficulties should be tackled, where the savings and cutbacks are going to be made and, above all, who will be affected by them. Basically what we will decide shortly is whether a disproportionate share of the burden will be placed on the shoulders of the poorest and weakest sections of our community.

We in Fianna Fáil are putting it clearly to the House, and particularly to the Labour Party, that this Bill should be rejected because it breaches a principle to which all parties in this House have until this day fully subscribed. That principle is to the effect that there is an obligation on the State to protect the poorer and weaker sections of our community and not in any way deliberately to disimprove their position. This Bill directly and deliberately flouts that basic principle, not inadvertently, unintentionally or as a side effect, but clearly and directly. It proposes, in a calculated manner — by specific percentages and definite amounts of money — to reduce the living standards of pensioners, widows, the unemployed and people on a three-day week.

We believe this Bill must be rejected on seven separate and distinct but related grounds. I shall spell them out concisely so that not alone will every Deputy know what he is voting for if he votes for this Bill but, equally important, so that the public will know and that in particular the constituents of Deputies Toddy O'Sullivan, Eileen Desmond, Séamus Pattison, Seán Tracey, Frank McLoughlin and yourself, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, will know exactly how their Deputies voted in Dáil Éireann this evening on these specific issues I am about to enumerate. By the way, it is interesting that none of the Deputies to whom I am addressing myself are at present in the House but perhaps they are listening on the monitors and will take note of what I say.

There are seven reasons for rejecting this Bill. Those seven reasons are: first, because the increase in the general social welfare rates provided in the Bill are completely inadequate in present circumstances; secondly, because those increases will come into operation only from July and not, as heretofore, from April; thirdly, the Bill will reduce the amount of pay-related benefit payable to an unemployed man or woman by 15 per cent; fourthly, the waiting period of an unemployed man or woman before becoming entitled to receive pay-related benefit is being extended from two weeks to three weeks; fifthly, those who are compelled, through no fault of their own, to work a three-day week will have pay-related benefit removed completely while they are on a three-day week; sixthly, because it is proposed that PAYE employees will now pay PRSI on incomes up to £13,000 while benefits will be restricted to incomes of up to £11,000; seventhly, because this Bill will abolish the notional system of assessment for small western farmers for social welfare purposes, a system which has enormously benefited the whole community structure of life in the west. Those are seven good reasons for rejecting this Bill. Taken together they amount to a penal imposition that no amount of waffling in this House can conceal on the lower income section of our community, the section least able to bear that imposition.

Let me say a word about those general increases in social welfare rates. There is absolutely no doubt, it is a mathematical certainty that the rates now proposed will actually reduce the income and standard of living of every single person in receipt of social welfare benefit. They are stated to be 10 per cent and 12 per cent. In fact they amount to only 7½ per cent and 9 per cent because, by a mean little device, they are not going to be paid until the end of June or beginning of July next. Therefore, if one spreads them over the whole of the year, from April 1983 to December 1983, they work out at 7½ per cent and 9 per cent, and that against a rate of inflation which will certainly be 12 per cent and probably more. Therefore it is an inescapable mathematical certainty that everybody in receipt of social welfare benefits, and relying on them, in 1983 will have his standard of living positively reduced by the provisions of this Social Welfare Bill.

When we were preparing the Estimates and working towards the budget we had in mind always somewhere in the region of 15 per cent as an increase appropriate to social welfare recipients this year. Instead of that these increased rates work out at 7½ per cent and 9 per cent.

There is one thing I should like to point out to this House about these rates. The Government's devaluation of the punt will add 2 per cent to the rate of inflation. The Taoiseach has tried to claim that the Government had planned that devaluation for many months. Does that mean, therefore, that at the time of the budget the Government were planning devaluation, which would add 2 per cent to our rate of inflation, and concealed that fact from this House and from the general public when putting the budget through the House, in fact ignored that 2 per cent and clearly set down inadequate rates of increases for social welfare recipients because of that 2 per cent, apart from any other consideration? The Taoiseach and the Government cannot have it both ways. Either they knew at the time of the budget that there was going to be devaluation and ignored the 2 per cent inflation rise that that would cause or, alternatively, at the time of the budget they had no idea — which I think is the true position — they were going to devalue.

For instance, let me ask Deputy Toddy O'Sullivan directly if he is going to stand for this sort of treatment being meted out to the people in his constituency, the pensioners, the unemployed and all those other categories? Is he going to come into this House this evening and positively vote to lower the living standards of those people in Gurranebraher, Knocknaheeny, Farranree and the people he represents in Cork? Or is Deputy Eileen Desmond, a former Minister for Health and Social Welfare, going to come in here — knowing exactly what is involved — and vote for this positive, specific lowering of the standards of living of that vulnerable section of our community? Might I ask you — I am sorry, I see the Leas-Cheann Comhairle is no longer in the Chair — I would like to ask Deputy John Ryan because when I started to speak he was in the Chair, is he going to vote——

: The Deputy should not try to involve a Chair or the Chair.

: He is not in the Chair now so we are not involving him. But I want to ask him — he is probably listening to me on the monitor — is he, representing a constituency which includes Thurles and Nenagh in particular, going to vote to take a full 15 per cent from pay-related benefit for the unemployed men and women who have to try to live on the amount of those benefits when they are unfortunate enough to become unemployed?

I should like to ask Deputy Pattison if he is going to vote deliberately to increase the period an unemployed man or woman has to wait for pay-related benefit from two weeks to three weeks. Is my old friend and colleague, Deputy Treacy, going to vote to take pay-related benefit away altogether from those who happen to be unfortunate enough to work for a firm that must put workers on a three-day week through no fault of their own? Is that what Deputy Treacy of the Labour Party is going to do this evening by voting for this legislation?

I want to specifically put those questions to the Members of the Labour Party who are free to decide, other than the two Members who have already taken an honourable decision in this regard. I know it is no good appealing to the Members of the Labour Party who are in Government because they will stay in Government no matter what happens to the old age pensioners, the unemployed, the widows and those who must rely on social welfare benefits for their standard of living. There is no way that the Labour Ministers in the Government are going to do anything to help those people in this Bill. Those decisions face the Labour Members I have referred to. I should like to tell those Members that they are the key people in the House this evening. From time to time in the affairs of the House the spotlight focuses on one individual or group of individuals. From time to time people hold the key to a situation in their hands and it is those Labour Members I have mentioned — Deputies Seamus Pattison, John Ryan, Sean Treacy, Toddy O'Sullivan, Eileen Desmond and Frank MacLoughlin — who hold the key to the situation this evening. I do not have to remind them of the promises they made to their electorate and the social concern they have displayed so often in the House. Their constituents will remember the promises they made and the things they said and they will be asking them questions when they go back. Their constituents will ask them: Did you really vote to take 15 per cent off pay-related benefit? Did you vote to take pay-related benefit away from a man or woman who is on a three-day week? Did you really vote to extend the waiting period as far as pay-related benefits for an unemployed man or woman is concerned from two weeks to three weeks?

The constituents of those Members will put such questions to them. It is their decision. On this side of the House we cannot compel those Members to stand by their principles. We can only appeal to them to do so. I want them to know exactly what they are doing by voting for the Bill, if they are going to vote for it. There is no room for a misunderstanding or a fudging of the issue or talking about economic or financial policies. This is a clear-cut issue and for them this is the moment of truth. The seven reasons I have given for them for voting against the Bill are clearly identifiable. This is a savage measure that will bring hardship and deprivation to a big number of Irish families. Those Labour Deputies either vote for that hardship and deprivation or they reject the Bill. The choice is theirs, and the country is watching. I want them to know and understand that the country is watching and their own supporters and party activitists in their constituencies are watching them to see what they are going to do on this measure. I want to tell them finally that they can still stand by those who in all good faith elected them as Labour Deputies or they can walk away from them this evening and vote for this repressive measure brought in by this Fine Gael dominated Coalition Government.

: On a personal note I should like to thank Deputy O'Hanlon, and the other Deputies, for their good wishes for my success in this portfolio. I should like to congratulate Deputy O'Hanlon on his appointment to his party's Front Bench and I look forward to mutual co-operation during our term of office. With regard to the contribution by Deputy Haughey, my personal and official comment must commence at this stage. Frankly, this is yet again a classical example of cynical political opportunism which, with respect, the Leader of the Opposition has epitomised in his role in Irish politics in the last decade. I say that because there is no reduction in the Bill in relation to old age pensions, contributory or non-contributory. There is no reduction, as implied by Deputy Haughey, in retirement pensions, invalidity pensions, disability pensions, widows' pensions or in the ordinary rates of unemployment or disability benefit.

The supplement to disability benefit this year will cost £17 million and the supplement to maternity benefit will be £7 million while the supplement to unemployment benefit will be £37 million, making a total of £61 million of supplements on top of our flat rate benefits. As Deputy Haughey is aware, such benefits were abolished in Britain in July 1981. They are still here and will be retained. All that has happened is that we have said, in accordance with The Way Forward, that disability benefit payment should not exceed a ceiling of 80 per cent as against 100 per cent at present. Deputy Haughey is well aware of that. In relation to unemployment benefit we are saying that the ceiling should not exceed the current rate of 85 per cent, which is there and remains. In relation to short-time workers we are saying that the replacement of earnings ratio should not exceed 94:93 per cent whereas it is currently around 120:114 per cent.

The reality is that on the social insurance side no less than 371,000 people will receive increases of 10 to 12 per cent as and from the last week of June and 285,000 dependants of such recipients will also receive benefits. Under the social insurance system no less than £50 million of increased benefits will be paid out as and from the last week of June to 655,000 persons. On the social assistance side, which is wholly paid for by the Exchequer, 251,000 people on social assistance plus another 248,000 dependants will receive a distribution of Exchequer resources of £31 million. The total payment from the Exchequer this year of increases in social welfare will amount to £80.6 million. Deputy Haughey would wish it to be much more and he glibly spoke of 15 per cent from 1 April, but he made no comment whatever about the total failure on his part to provide in his Estimates last year for any provision for such increases, increases which would have required additional expenditure of £70 million of social welfare in 1983 if we were to accede to his request. This would have meant borrowing abroad or cutting expenditure. For example, £70 million is the total expenditure this year alone on food subsidies and I am sure Deputy Haughey would not wish Labour Deputies to suggest that we should withdraw food subsidies.

Some of the hypocrisy I have listened to tonight is indicative of the decline of Fianna Fáil in relation to social policy. Deputy Woods, my immediate predecessor, went one further and stated that whereas the budget improvements in social welfare were stated to cost £80.6 million in 1983, the allocation for social welfare was increased by only about £24.5 million, from £920 million to £940 million. Deputy Woods is under a classic Deputy Woods misapprehension. The amount of £941 million is the pre-budget allocation, not the current budget allocation. Deputy Woods has forgotten his budget arithmetic after only six or seven weeks out of office. The original allocation was £920 million and on top of that I had to provide and obtain from the Government an extra £31 million for social welfare unemployment benefits because Deputy Woods and the Fianna Fáil Party provided in their budget deficit for an average this year of 177,000 people out of work.

We came into office in December and when we looked at this matter in January it was manifestly evident that the provision in the original Book of Estimates was wholly inadequate and that we would have to provide for an annual monthly average of no less than 193,000 unemployed. This meant that without any question of seeking social welfare increases we needed an extra £31 million to pay for ordinary basic social welfare rates at the rate of April 1982. There was no provision made for this in a Fianna Fáil budget because Deputy Haughey was otherwise engaged at Cabinet level, as was Deputy Woods. We incorporated this £31 million in the Estimate. We had to reduce pay-related benefit by about £7 million and the overall revised Estimate worked out at £941 million. On top of that figure we added £80.6 million for social welfare incrases, bringing the revised budget estimate this year to £1,026,926. Deputy Woods is somewhat dated in his criticism.

Regarding Deputy Haughey's suggestion that the people of the Republic of Ireland will suffer massively in terms of our social welfare system and his implication that we are in the process of dismantling social welfare after a couple of months in office, I would point out to him — and I am sure he takes a great deal of pride in it — that this year as and from the end of June a married couple on disability benefit with no pay-related benefits will receive £57.35. I accept that this is not a princely sum but over the Border in the area with which Deputy Haughey would have us join, and in the UK, such persons would receive £47.67 as and from next November. I am poud to say that our rates of benefit are substantially better than those in the UK. A married couple on sick benefit are at least 20 per cent better off here than in Northern Ireland or the UK enjoying at least £10 extra, devaluation or no devaluation. A married couple on unemployment benefit are about £8 better off or roughly 15 per cent. As of next June a pensioner here will receive £45.10 per week while in the UK a single pensioner will get £38 and will be worse off by about 17 per cent or £6.35. My colleague, Deputy Eileen Desmond, convinced the Cabinet to give a 25 per cent increase last year. We fought for it in the budget and in so doing lost office and Fianna Fáil had the mere job of implementing it. In the process they made the Exchequer position unreal because they made no provision for it in the budget which followed.

: We gave a 25 per cent increase for three years in succession.

: To suggest that our social welfare system is somewhat primitive or inadequate or is about to be dismantled is selling our country short.

I come now to the policy measures in the Bill. The document entitled The Way Forward published by the previous Government in October 1982 included a commitment to certain changes in the social welfare system. Three specific measures included in the document were confirmed by Government decision and I would take the rare privilege of saying that the decision is S19936C/22978 dated 22 October 1982 in relation to the 1983 Estimates. They were to have effect as and from January 1983 and I have the Government memorandum should Deputy Haughey wish to hear it. These measures were to reduce the level of pay-related benefit to 30 per cent for the first six months and 20 per cent for the remaining nine months, with an estimated saving in 1983 of £18 million. Secondly, to remove the present disincentive to work — their language, not mine — flat rate unemployment benefit for short-time workers was to be related to a five-day working week and pay-related benefit for those workers was to be withheld, with an estimated saving of £7.2 million in 1983. For disability benefit purposes the overall benefit ceiling was to be reduced from 100 per cent to 80 per cent of reckonable weekly earnings, with an estimated saving in 1983 of £2 million.

Apart from these measures which were specifically outlined in the document and were estimated to yield a saving of £27 million in 1983, it appears that further measures were also under consideration. The document states:

The Government will rectify the anomaly whereby employees through a combination of tax refunds and social welfare benefits can receive more than when they were whole-time at work.

That was intended for implementation in the budget. The measures were never spelled out in detail but there was a clear-cut Government decision.

In addition to the measures included in The Way Forward the previous Government in preparing the Estimates for 1983 provided for additional measures to increase income and reduce expenditure. This brings me to the arrant hypocrisy of Deputy Haughey. Their decision on 22 October 1982 included provision for raising the earnings ceiling for social insurance contributions from £9,500 to £13,000 with effect from April 1983, while the ceiling for pay-related benefit and health eligibility purposes was to be raised from £9,500 to £11,000 in line with wage movements. The raising of the ceiling from £9,500 to £13,000 was estimated to bring in an extra £16 million from the workers for whom now Deputy Haughey is shedding crocodile tears. The measures which were incorporated in the Estimates I took over are on record in Government decisions and Deputy Haughey is welcome to a copy of those decisions after the division on this Bill.

The previous Government also took a decision to disqualify apprentices from children's allowances with effect from July 1983. They undertook to abolish the maternity grant with effect from April 1983 and there was a consequential Government decision that the savings would be included in the arithmetic of a proposed Fianna Fáil budget in January or February 1983. These savings were to be included within the budget package. I took a clear-cut decision when I saw this measure. I did not particularly like those Estimate decisions. I thought in some respects they were regressive.

I wanted to examine them and I asked the Cabinet not to implement them from 1 January 1983 but to implement them from at least 5 April 1983 when we would have tax changes and when they should be properly incorporated. The Cabinet agreed. The cost was £6.8 million and I had to find that sum of money in the context of further changes in the arrangements. I found it by minimal changes, changes from £32 to £36 on the floor, which brought in £2 million, by extending the waiting period from 12 to 18 days, which brought in about £4 million and in the maternity grant, which was a miscalculation on the part of the previous Government, where we saved another £250,000. That produced £6.7 million by the delay in implementing the Fianna Fáil decision from 1 January to 1 April 1983.

That is the reality and no amount of selective going through Cork city areas, be they Gurranabraher or any place like that, can obliterate the reality of the decisions which the Fianna Fáil Party took in this regard. I have ten minutes and I want to come to my colleague, Deputy Bell, who finds this Bill——

: The Minister has fewer than ten minutes.

: I gather that 7 o'clock is the moment of truth for all of us. I believe that the adjustments which have been made in relation to pay-related benefit in terms of short-term working are quite legitimate. I cannot, as a socialist and as a Labour Party member, stand over a situation — I make no apology for making that statement — whereby a worker working a three day week has three days earnings, half a week's social welfare, which is tax free, pay-related benefit, which is tax free and a degree of income tax refund, which the worker is entitled to, and as a consequence has a take home pay of 114 per cent replacement of his earnings. That is not socialism, it is not social welfare, it is an abuse of the system particularly by employees and by some trade unions and employers who have entered into that kind of agreement.

(Interruptions.)

: All I am saying, quite simply, is that the replacement should be, and will be now, about 94 per cent of earnings in that regard. I regret that my colleague, Deputy Bell, a trade unionist and a fellow member of my union, should have alleged that this Bill in that context or any other context is either evil or savage. It is far too easy to make that kind of allegation and it is unfortunate that it was ill-considered in that regard. I find it particularly difficult to understand the trenchant opposition which has arisen, particularly in relation to short-time workers.

I believe the situation is widely understood. I regret a good deal of the misunderstanding particularly among some trade unions. About 300 trade union circulars have been issued saying that short-time workers include casual dockers, part-time workers, people working for a couple of days at a mart and even people working in a supermarket for a few hours a week. They are not because, as Deputy Haughey well knows and as every trade union official knows, they are not short-time workers, they are casual workers. It is workers who are on a systematic five-day week who work a three-day week who come under the category of short-time workers. I am glad the matter has been cleared up and I am glad in particular that the Congress of Trade Unions have in the consultations with me clarified the matter.

I would like to make this point regarding the ICTU. Since my appointment as Minister for Social Welfare I have had three lengthy, very constructive meetings with the officers of congress on the question of social welfare, on the system as a whole and on the question of health services. At all times I have found the congress officers extremely constructive and most concerned about developing those services and bringing greater equity within the system of social welfare. We must ensure the £1,025 million we are spending this year is spread more equitably. I believe that I, earning nearly £30,000 a year, am not entitled to children's allowances for my two youngest children, which I receive and which is tax free. I want to reform that kind of system. There are many others in the country who would like to see that kind of fundamental reform.

I have agreed to meet the ICTU to discuss the question of a national pensions plan which I intend to bring in initially by way of a White Paper. I intend to discuss the question of social insurance for self-employed people; I intend to discuss the implementation of the family income supplement, for which we have a minimum provision of £5 million in this year's budget. I intend to discuss the difficulties in the appeal system, and the ending of discrimination on a sex basis within the social welfare system which exists and which must be eliminated. Above all, I want to discuss with congress the provision of special assistance for the long-term unemployed. It is the long-term unemployed, those who are on unemployment assistance of about £50 a week for a husband, wife and two children, for more than 15 months who are our special concern, not those who are fortunate enough to have jobs and who have to forego some bit of pay-related benefit in this regard. The increase has been minimal in the Bill. We have been caught in an Exchequer situation whereby the most we could provide this year was an increase of £80,500,000 on social welfare. I accept that the increases barely keep pace with inflation. That is the reality and it is about time we faced up to it.

I intend to go ahead and establish the commission for social welfare. I intend in the next few weeks to set up this commission. People of outstanding expertise in the social policy area will be appointed to this commission. For the first time since 1949 we will have a commission to examine and report on our whole system of social welfare and to make recommendations to the Government on the effectiveness of our system.

: I have to put the question before 7 o'clock. The Minister has about a minute.

: I have no doubt that the commission will succeed in bringing about a much greater effectiveness within our present system, in eliminating poverty in our society and, above all, in examining the method of financing social welfare. The Workers' Party have put down an amendment which talks about self-financing by workers. I want to point out to my colleagues that 52 per cent of all pay-related social insurance is paid by employers, 22 per cent is paid by workers and the balance by the general taxpayers. This is the reality in terms of irrelevancy of The Workers' Party amendment.

(Interruptions.)

: Many Deputies have expressed concern about the role of pay-related social welfare insurance in financing social welfare. I intend, in the context of that commission, to have the commission examine it and report on it. I strongly commend the Bill to the House. Deputies will have to make up their minds on the issue. All I can do is to put forward the Bill and I hope that on Committee Stage we will have an interesting debate——

: Give us a free vote.

: Already I have one amendment relating to the two-fifths as against two-sixths. That amendment will be put forward on Committee Stage and I have no doubt it will be accepted.

: Will we have a free vote?

: Deputy Haughey never gave a free vote in his life.

Question put.
The Dáil divided: Tá, 81; Níl, 76.

  • Allen, Bernard.
  • Barnes, Monica.
  • Barrett, Seén.
  • Barry, Myra.
  • Barry, Peter.
  • Begley, Michael.
  • Bermingham, Joe.
  • Birmingham, George Martin.
  • Boland, John.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Liam.
  • Carey, Donal.
  • Cluskey, Frank.
  • Collins, Edward.
  • Conlon, John F.
  • Connaughton, Paul.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam T.
  • Cosgrave, Michael Joe.
  • Coveney, Hugh.
  • Creed, Donal.
  • Crotty, Kieran.
  • Crowley, Frank.
  • D'Arcy, Michael.
  • Deasy, Martin Austin.
  • Desmond, Barry.
  • Desmond, Eileen.
  • Donnellan, John.
  • Dowling, Dick.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Doyle, Joe.
  • Dukes, Alan.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • Enright, Thomas W.
  • Farrelly, John V.
  • Fennell, Nuala.
  • FitzGerald, Garret.
  • Flaherty, Mary.
  • Flanagan, Oliver J.
  • Glenn, Alice.
  • Griffin, Brendan.
  • Harte, Patrick D.
  • Hegarty, Paddy.
  • Hussey, Gemma.
  • Kavanagh, Liam.
  • Keating, Michael.
  • Kelly, John.
  • Kenny, Enda.
  • L'Estrange, Gerry.
  • McCartin, Joe.
  • McGahon, Brendan.
  • McGinley, Dinny.
  • McLoughlin, Frank.
  • Manning, Maurice.
  • Mitchell, Gay.
  • Mitchell, Jim.
  • Molony, David.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Naughten, Liam.
  • Nealon, Ted.
  • Noonan, Michael.
  • (Limerick East).
  • O'Brien, Fergus.
  • O'Brien, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Tom.
  • O'Leary, Michael.
  • O'Sullivan, Toddy.
  • O'Toole, Paddy.
  • Owen, Nora.
  • Pattison, Seéamus.
  • Prendergast, Frank.
  • Quinn, Ruairié.
  • Ryan, John.
  • Shatter, Alan.
  • Sheehan, Patrick Joseph.
  • Skelly, Liam.
  • Spring, Dick.
  • Taylor, Mervyn.
  • Taylor-Quinn, Madeline.
  • Timmins, Godfrey.
  • Treacy, Seén.
  • Yates, Ivan.

Níl

  • Ahern, Bertie.
  • Ahern, Michael.
  • Andrews, David.
  • Andrews, Niall.
  • Aylward, Liam.
  • Barrett, Michael.
  • Bell, Michael.
  • Brady, Gerard.
  • Brady Vincent.
  • Brennan, Mattie.
  • Brennan, Paudge.
  • Brennan, Séamus.
  • Briscoe, Ben.
  • Browne, John.
  • Burke, Raphael P.
  • Fitzsimons, Jim.
  • Flynn, Pédraig.
  • Foley, Denis.
  • Gallagher, Denis.
  • Gallagher, Pat Cope.
  • Gregory-Independent, Tony.
  • Harney, Mary.
  • Haughey, Charles J.
  • Hilliard, Colm.
  • Hyland, Liam.
  • Kirk, Séamus.
  • Kitt, Michael.
  • Lemass, Eileen.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Leonard, Jimmy.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • Lyons, Denis.
  • McCarthy, Séan.
  • McCreevy, Charlie.
  • McEllistrim, Tom.
  • Mac Giolla, Toméas.
  • MacSharry, Ray.
  • Molloy, Robert.
  • Morley, P.J.
  • Byrne, Hugh.
  • Byrne, Seéan.
  • Calleary, Séan.
  • Colley, George.
  • Conaghan, Hugh.
  • Connolly, Ger.
  • Cowen, Bernard.
  • Daly, Brendan.
  • De Rossa, Proinsias.
  • Doherty, Seéan.
  • Fahey, Francis.
  • Fahey, Jackie.
  • Faulkner, Péadraig.
  • Fitzgerald, Gene.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam Joseph.
  • Moynihan, Donal.
  • Nolan, M.J.
  • Noonan, Michael J.
  • (Limerick West)
  • O'Connell, John.
  • O'Dea, William.
  • O'Hanlon, Rory.
  • O'Keeffe, Edmond.
  • O'Kennedy, Michael.
  • O'Leary, John.
  • O'Malley, Desmond J.
  • Ormonde, Donal.
  • O'Rourke, Mary.
  • Power, Paddy.
  • Reynolds, Albert.
  • Treacy, Noel.
  • Tunney, Jim.
  • Wallace, Dan.
  • Walsh, Joe.
  • Walsh, Seéan.
  • Wilson, John P.
  • Woods, Michael.
  • Wyse, Pearse.
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Barrett (Dún Laoghaire) and Taylor; Níl, Deputies B. Ahern and Briscoe.
Question declared carried.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 23 March 1983.
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