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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 13 Mar 1984

Vol. 348 No. 11

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Legal Fees.

5.

asked the Minister for Justice if he will list those in receipt of fees as solicitors and barristers; the amount received in each case from the criminal legal aid scheme for 1982; and the number of court appearances and cases respectively for each solicitor and barrister.

6.

asked the Minister for Justice the total amount of money paid nationally to solicitors in respect of the free legal aid scheme; and the amount of money paid individually; the number of cases involved; and the number of adjournments per case.

(Limerick East): I propose to take Questions Nos. 5 and 6 together.

I assume that the information sought by the Deputies relates to payments made to solicitors and barristers under the criminal legal aid scheme, which comprise the only fees that my Department pay to solicitors and barristers.

It would require a disproportinate expenditure of public time and money to compile the information sought in regard to court appearances, adjournments and cases.

Records of the fees paid to individual solicitors and barristers under the criminal legal aid scheme are kept on a tax-year basis in my Department. The amounts paid to solicitors and barristers, not including payments in respect of VAT, travelling, subsistence and other disbursements, for the tax year ended 5 April 1983 are in the form of a tabular statement which I propose to circulate in the Official Report.

Taxable earnings of individual solicitors under the criminal legal aid scheme for the tax year 6 April 1982 to 5 April 1983.

Name

Amount

£

Henry Arigho

3,874.93

Dermot Ahern

161.65

John Allen

10,271.51

Bryan Armstrong

34.93

Barry Allen

1,145.67

Peter Allen

251.17

Seán Allen

2,357.66

David Brophy

345.70

Colm Berkery

1,521.02

Fintan Burke

97.80

B. St. John Bowman

150.20

P.F. Burke

1,725.35

J.J. Binchy

1,428.96

P.D. Branigan

1,623.57

Bryan Brophy

489.14

Geoffrey Browne

1,501.82

Hugh Byrne

193.30

J. Kiernan Brennan

705.55

Victor Blake

1,057.56

Thomas Brooks

34.93

Niall Brosnan

411.91

James Breen

159.17

Denis Boland

34.93

Finian Branigan

672.57

Dermot Byron

246.93

Michael Brennan

145.77

Patrick Buckley

3,796.44

Kevin Brooks

523.63

John Bolger

72.48

John Bourke

696.23

John Brosnan

199.28

Sheena Barry

205.71

Patrick Buckley

14.00

George Bruen

34.93

Séamus Brennan

146.03

Eileen Broderick

608.11

Michael Bourke

37.55

Philomena Brady

257.92

Fergus Britton

91.79

Richard Bennett

37.55

Declan Breen

90.12

Donal V. Carroll

8,300.60

Kevin Cleary

2,181.59

Thomas Collins

5,315.40

Eugene Carey

69.86

Maurice Clifford

792.83

Lawrence Doyle

104.79

Brian Chesser

385.68

Robert Porter Cogan

72.48

Stephen Coughlan

9,764.91

J.P. Carroll

3,628.21

Bryan Curtin

4,872.53

Hugh Carty

212.70

Jerry Collins

3,043.11

Terence Casey

269.70

John Coughlan

194.41

H. Comerford

664.90

Finbar Cahill

1,083.76

John Carlas

505.36

Mary Courtney

34.93

Vincent Crowley

2,255.40

Michael Coughlan

312.07

A.T. Cunningham

190.18

Bernard Creaven

263.25

Paul Clune

954.99

Martin Crilly

368.94

Patrick Cafferky

254.92

Albert Cummins

37.55

Ernest Cantillon

6,964.83

Alma Clissman

418.51

Owen Carthy (Ballinasloe)

577.14

Michael Condon

144.96

Patrick Crowley

232.60

Francis Callan

392.83

Michael Carter

315.65

Joseph Chambers

268.58

Owen Carthy (Athlone)

705.78

Breda Courtney

8,779.91

Joseph Cuddigan

1,463.07

Gerard Cummiskey

313.89

Paul Connellan

720.71

John Casey

176.02

Heather Celmalis

1,024.09

Meave Carroll

50.46

Catherine Collins

325.15

Edmond Cogan

54.24

Dominic Creedon

70.93

John Donovan

3,206.42

Gerard Doherty

154.66

P.A. Dorrian

874.78

Gerard Daly

1,702.91

A.J. Duncan

337.84

Michael Donnelly

89.17

Patrick Duffy

15,706.27

Mary Dolan

3,091.36

Patrick Duncan

578.64

Edward Duffy

145.04

P.J. Daly

1,390.12

J. Dillon Leetch

581.59

Donal Dunne

307.08

W. Duggan

2,520.44

Andrew Davidson

2,400.71

Cormac Dunne

37.55

Michael Delahunty

48.90

E.S. Doyle

470.04

Dermot Duncan

477.86

Janet Doherty

31.06

Donal Daly

218.91

John Dunne

2,092.96

Mairead Duffy

1,495.02

Richard Dennehy

4,981.07

Patrick Dawson

60.08

Pádraig Duffy

806.11

David Dunne

283.13

Tomas Donnaghey

34.93

Helen Dawson

392.47

Finian Doyle

422.66

Josie Duffy

140.50

Brian Doherty

85.39

Dermot Davis

54.24

Anthony Ensor

865.89

William Egan

331.11

Paul Ebrill

465.05

Ronald Egan

2,375.28

Thomas Enright

307.62

Shaun Elder

37.55

P.J. Farry

12,799.99

Declan Fahy

8,956.33

W. Fallon

536.05

Patrick Farrell

183.35

Peter Fleming

375.96

Peter Flanagan

674.16

Ann Fitzgerald

1,669.10

Peter Fitzgibbon

154.00

John Foley

572.02

Marcus Farrell

50.46

Fergus Fahy

5,344.30

Thomas Furlong

396.68

Desmond Flynn

105.57

Paul Ferris

225.02

Thomas Farrell

621.71

John Fetherstonhaugh

273.34

E. Fleming

169.52

John Flynn

125.02

Paul Flynn

1,254.60

Donal Farrelly

452.27

Rena Field

850.80

Thomas Fitzpatrick

610.03

Hilary Fitzpatrick

88.01

Oliver Foley

493.88

Michael Fitzsimons

37.55

Gerard Griffin

8,066.02

Denis Guerin

2,443.62

Christopher Grogan

81.52

Lorna Groarke

427.28

John Gaffney

8,818.12

P.J. Groarke

2,379.77

J.P. Jordan

1,078.11

B. Garvan

1,523.90

John Glynn

331.18

Patrick Golden

366.22

Fergus Goodbody

186.24

Brendan Gunn

12,696.68

John Garahy

221.24

Patrick Goold

142.34

J.K. Gilsenan

3,543.65

John Gordan

69.86

Brian Grogan

1,828.97

Joseph Griffin

163.72

Geraldine Gillece

69.86

Mimi Goodman

85.39

Avril Gallagher

656.09

John Greenan

146.58

David Gormally

560.10

T.C. Glynn

37.55

J.J. Hegarty

2,197.76

J.L. Hayes

17,306.15

M.E. Hanahoe

22,772.01

Gordon Hayes

9,067.39

M.J. Hanrahan

643.48

Liam Hipwell

134.12

Emmet Halley

2,098.24

Martin Harvey

425.96

G.F. Haughton

2,672.00

Gerard Haughton

1,183.69

Desmond Hogan

665.07

Paul Horan

153.49

C.A. Heffernan

305.19

Ml.P. Houlihan

85.39

B. F. Hyland

178.76

Gerard Horan

157.50

J.A. Heffernan

320.91

Harry Hunt

370.24

Joseph Hegarty

1,652.61

J.F. Healy

143.41

P.N. Harney

54.25

Mgt. Horan

329.15

D.J. Hanahoe

371.36

Anne Moore Horgan

1,491.30

Thomas Honan

135.85

E.P. Hogan

535.23

Colm Houlihan

104.79

Kevin Houlihan

140.69

M.J. Horan

51.62

Declan Howley

23.00

Denis Hipwell

37.55

Noel Hughes

37.55

William Jolley

9,430.43

Philip Joyce

363.59

Hugh Joyce

31.05

Jos. Jordan

1,484.59

A.B. Jordan

637.37

Brendan Johnston

206.78

Ptk. Judge

388.98

P.D. Jones

322.58

Aiden Judge

102.08

Conor Killen

1,689.80

Ciaran Keys

37.55

June Keenan

2,778.81

Charles Kingston

6,926.90

Kevin Kilrane

796.47

E.P. King

2,614.36

John V. Kelly

960.44

Ptk. Kelly

211.05

Paul V. Kelly

306.64

Mel Kilrane

1,359.85

Charles Kelly (Swinford)

177.74

Charles Kelly (Mullingar)

461.27

Paul P. Kelly

681.00

John Kelly

122.94

Brian Kirwan

998.63

Simon Kennedy

583.84

G.J. Kennedy

153.69

Mary Kiely

113.65

Helen Kehoe

301.98

Art. Kavanagh

608.32

D.F. Kelleher

261.41

Ml.J. Kennedy

424.92

R.J. Lynam

15,857.36

Dermot Lavery

6,082.27

Joseph Lavan

50.46

Ciaran Lawlor

20,840.17

P.J. Lavan

417.99

Barry Lysaght

962.33

Helen Lucey

316.42

John J. Lavery

260.09

James Lucey

69.86

Martin Linnane

2,039.11

Sean Lowney

1,081.14

Terence Lyons

16,389.40

Brendan Looby

379.74

Denis Larkin

69.86

Neal Lamb

507.94

D. Lehane

282.56

W. Loughnane

362.79

Cathal Louth

359.87

John Lacey

50.46

Maurice Leahy

517.80

J.N. Lavelle

120.33

Eileen Leahy

34.93

G. Lombard

34.93

Brian Lynch

34.93

Joseph Mangan

254.92

Daire Murphy

3,014.34

V. Matthews

136.46

D.H. Morris

40,961.19

G.P. Maguire

346.30

Elio Malocco

958.58

Brian Morton

1,187.40

Kieran Mulcahy

765.45

W. Montgomery

982.71

Neville Murphy

2,812.58

G.V. Moloney

329.95

Mary Martin

1,556.76

J.A. Murphy

3,329.03

John Murtagh

265.28

Mary Meagher

788.24

Damien Martyn

300.03

Dermot Murphy

770.37

David Molony

1,658.30

Pierse Meagher

346.30

Patrick Meghen

112.65

Ml. Molloy

100.92

R.V. Mahon

487.14

Denis Molloy

420.00

Ml. Moore

214.99

T.K. Madden

276.04

Linda Murphy

69.86

Philip Meagher

70.35

Daniel Murphy

60.08

T.A. Murphy

82.68

Sean Maguire

52.57

Pearse Mehigan

52.57

Richard Maguire

1,187.40

Ptk. Macklin

305.34

Gerard Meaney

438.17

Mary Murphy

601.14

A.M. Murphy

185.27

Seamus Mallon

144.85

Paul Morris

261.02

Kieran Murphy

38.32

James Murphy

72.48

John Monahan

31.05

David Molloy

34.93

A.J. Morris

44.85

Jacqueline Moloney

34.93

Thomas Mullaney

37.55

Ptk. Mann

2,119.75

Jos. F. Maguire

260.51

Fionnula Murphy

273.62

Daniel Murphy

151.38

Thomas Murphy

69.86

Eamon Murray

263.34

Gerard Moloney

135.85

David Morris

317.37

John Mernagh

811.65

Jos. B. Mannix

175.24

T. McEniry

578.83

Pat McCartan

76,220.92

P.F. McDonnell

4,622.24

J.G. McCarthy

78.75

Roger McGinley

1,993.82

Colm McGeehan

1,856.70

Brian McMahon

491.63

Oliver McGuinness

69.86

Brian McLoughlin

2,240.79

Neil McNelis (Dundalk)

254.41

D. McVeigh

166.91

J.H. McCarroll

347.56

Ptk. McCafferty

191.81

O.A. McCarthy

267.13

J.W. McCarthy

802.16

Ml. McGuire

672.07

Roderick McCarthy

5,739.02

P.G. McMahon

828.22

Mary McCarthy

1,059.17

F.J. McKenna

84.53

C. Mac Guill

338.67

Edward McEllin

149.28

Gerard McCanny

51.62

David McGettigan

454.93

Henry J. McCourt

256.06

Patrick McMyler

91.79

Patrick McEllin

167.69

Roderick McCrann

83.12

Paul McArdle

98.20

Edward McGarr

377.52

B.W. McCluskey

37.55

T. J. MacDwyer

37.55

Sean McMullin

380.71

Moya McDermott

190.18

G. McAlinden

960.44

G. McCarthy

1,194.62

Paul McNally

838.15

Neil McNelis (Balbriggan)

409.73

Brian McMahon

48.90

Gerard McErlean

443.94

Pauline G. McCarthy

754.95

Stephen Nicholas

127.67

John F. Neilan

100.91

Bernadette Nolan

733.74

M. Nolan

275.79

D. J. Neilan

34.93

Ml. A. Noonan

34.93

Joe Noonan

252.30

James Nash

150.20

Maurice A. Neville

191.10

John Naughton

52.57

Niall O'Connor

488.22

John O'Neill

69.86

Gerard O'Herlihy

1,848.97

Niall O'Reilly

17,655.15

Diarmuid Ó Catháin

54.24

Thos. O'Dwyer

16,965.10

Cyril Osborne

1,228.00

Pól Ó Murchú

322.65

J.J. O'Connor

1,065.12

C. O'Mara

2,205.00

T.E. O'Donnell

5,458.59

Patrick O'Sullivan

118.76

B.D. O'Connor

140.79

T.J. O'Sullivan

150.20

Declan O'Connor

1,374.49

Greg O'Neill

2,681.40

Brian O'Sullivan

170.38

Brendan O'Flynn

37.55

Frank O'Toole

1,250.27

Brendan O'Herlihy

2,683.61

P.J. O'Gara

157.50

Patrick O'Connor

85.39

Rory O'Riordan

679.46

Hugh O'Donoghue

732.62

P.J. O'Meara

380.02

Noel O'Meara

258.79

Donal O'Connell

1,008.18

B. O'Beirne

179.34

S.Ó Cuinneagáin

302.76

D. O'Donovan

150.20

M. O'Callaghan

627.40

E. O'Sullivan

1,183.51

Charles O'Connor

91.79

T.G. O'Keeffe

85.00

Dermot O'Neill

3,717.55

Gerard O'Herlihy

5,603.83

E. O'Sullivan

899.49

W.K. O'Doherty

34.93

Kieran O'Callaghan

1,135.50

Helen O'Bovle

3,453.44

A.F. O'Gorman

1,616.17

Niall O'Sullivan

289.76

Thomas O'Donovan

70.93

Charles O'Connor

2,031.02

Eleanor O'Donnell

308.66

James O'Connor

387.05

Michael O'Malley

757.29

Marian O'Donovan

99.36

James Orange

17,958.91

M. O'Sullivan

483.70

G. O'Loughlin

27.00

K. O'Gorman

574.93

K. O'Doherty

34.93

Garry O'Driscoll

50.46

Caroline O'Connor

540.70

Cathal O'Donovan

5,256.67

Cathal O'Neill

663.62

R. O'Regan

353.40

Terry O'Brien

85.39

M. O'Rourke

714.81

Rowan O'Reilly

568.81

F. O'Reilly

155.16

C. O'Leary

134.60

John Purcell

2,132.81

B. Price

214.04

M. Pattwell

34.93

Robert Pierse

393.01

Michael Petty

743.85

Marian Petty

214.99

Dudley Potter

2,616.60

Noel Quinn

70.93

Thomas Quinn

1,361.49

John Quinn

1,968.85

Michael Reilly

6,277.10

Michael G. Ryan

70.93

P.J. Reidy

434.28

Donal Ryan

325.46

Francis O'Reilly

28.74

Peter Reilly

828.58

Michael Ryan

291.69

Kieran Ryan

34.93

Chris Ryan

236.15

Anne Rowland

11,820.79

John Reidy

808.10

Timothy Ryan

146.38

Susan Ryan

658.30

Brendan Rowley

1,111.49

John Rochford

130.76

M. Ryan

214.99

Margaret Roche

37.55

Paula Scully

13,574.39

P.J. Sweeney

196.15

Garrett Sheehan

44,187.45

Leonard Silke

1,704.27

Michael Staines

21,644.49

Stanley Siev

1,209.27

Roger Sweetman

2,364.57

Colman Shanley

2,095.18

James Scully

1,971.54

Brian Swift

1,955.09

Peter Smithwick

231.26

Anthony Sheil

292.06

Marcus Sweeney

1,226.31

Colman Sherry

75.10

M.P. Shevlin

5,154.65

D.C. Shaw

193.52

Oliver Shanley

1,061.28

A.G. Sheedy

105.24

Charles Starkey

34.93

Patrick Sweeney

94.82

Tom Shanahan

327.79

Justin Sadler

76.72

Geraldine Scully

8,414.08

Seán Smyth

278.89

S. Shaw

397.25

John Spencer

408.78

Brian Sheridan

50.46

James Sweeney

1,214.78

Declan Sherlock

394.26

Séamus Sweeney

360.46

Joanne Sheehan

75.10

Michael Sadlier

387.37

Rowan Sheehan

146.03

Mary Scott

166.89

D.A. Tarrant

2,568.11

Paul Traynor

2,574.54

Anthony Taaffe

34.93

Brendan Twomey

134.59

Fergus Taaffe

439.42

Plunkett Taaffe

69.86

Edward Timmins

404.54

Patrick Thornton

960.44

Edward Tynan

34.93

Brian Toolan

65.99

F.B. Taaffe

218.91

Michael White

3,783.82

Desmond Windle

7,714.88

B. Whelehan

119.93

Thomas Walsh (Wexford)

176.02

Patrick White

768.82

Thomas Walsh (Kilkenny)

90.12

Peter Woods

37.55

T.J. Waters

291.99

David Walley

181.15

Gearóid Williams

1,831.87

John Warren

51.62

John Walsh

34.93

John Ward

88.01

Mary Ward

37.55

N. Walsh

75.10

William White

52.57

Total

£864,328.07

Taxable earnings of individual barristers under the criminal legal aid scheme for the tax year 6 April 1982 to 5 April 1983.

Name

Amount

£

Henry Abbott

315.00

Bruce Antonotti

945.00

George Bermingham

393.75

Patrick Boyd

1,309.87

D.V. Buckley

3,557.96

David Byrne

94.50

Declan Budd

262.50

Séamus Breathnach

1,680.87

Rory Brady

472.50

Paul Callan

236.25

Paul Carney

12,619.38

John Coughlan

1,927.59

James Connolly

1,395.44

Thomas Creed

78.75

Garrett Cooney

551.25

Peter Charleton

1,682.62

Gerard M. Clarke

320.25

Eamon Cahill

669.37

James Carroll

6,535.75

Brian Curtin

364.87

Aengus Charleton

393.75

Eamon Coffee

525.00

M. Clarke

378.00

Raymond Comyn

1,375.48

Michael Coen

1,065.75

Martin Collins

968.62

Denis Convery

787.49

Bernadette Cronin

769.11

Naill Durnin

2,803.49

Patrick Dennehy

1,944.25

Matthew Deery

157.50

Cyril Dooley

530.25

Ricardo Dourado

2,593.49

Marcus Daly

420.00

Gerry Danaher

590.61

Michael J. Durack

315.00

Eamonn Duffy

393.75

Séamus Egan

5,775.00

Donal Egan

472.50

Michael Feehan

6,410.00

Niall Fennelly

1,364.00

Conor Fahy

236.25

Fergus Flood

236.25

Alice Fawsitt

63.00

Vincent Foley

392.75

Ruth A. Fitzgerald

70.00

Dermot Fitzpatrick

603.75

Martin Giblin

6,772.48

Cornelius Guiney

157.50

Raymond G. Groarke

997.50

Michael Gray

7,604.62

John Gordon

3,101.00

Patrick Gageby

9,312.05

Maurice Gaffney

210.00

Jeremiah Healy

52.50

Kevin Haugh

280.00

Adrian Hardiman

3,222.43

Robert Haughton

63.00

Edmund Honohan

708.75

Michael Hanna

393.75

Maurice Hearne

918.75

Roderick Horan

2,810.50

Hugh Hartnett

8,672.97

Barry Hickson

315.00

Patrick Keane

157.50

Cyril Kelly

1,382.50

Gerald M. Keys

590.62

Martin Kennedy

787.50

Anthony Kennedy

3,395.00

Vivian H. Lavan

498.75

Desmond Long

105.00

Mary Laverty

236.25

Alison Lindsay

78.75

Eamon Leahy

275.62

Greg Murphy

23,471.87

Michael K. Murphy

157.50

Michael Moriarty

918.75

Conor Maguire

831.25

Erwann Mill-Arden

2,666.10

Carol Moran

157.50

Rex Mackey

9,692.50

Miriam Malone

157.50

Alan Mahon

503.99

S.T. Moylan

1,168.10

Patrick Moran

126.00

Adrian Mannering

2,394.00

Dermot McCann

393.75

Patrick McCarthy

1,045.62

Patrick McEntee

21,175.59

Richard McDonnell

220.50

Michael McMahon

1,036.87

Michael McDowell

782.24

Peter D. McMorrow

1,288.00

Diarmuid McGuinness

1,410.49

Unsin Mac Gruairc

78.75

John McMenamin

157.50

Donagh McDonagh

2,239.10

Hugh McGahon

175.00

Roderick McGilligan

516.25

Neil McCann

945.00

Una McGurk

105.00

Seán McBride

9,135.00

Brendan Nix

2,856.83

S Ó Tuathail

236.25

Kevin O'Higgins

7,415.62

John O'Hagan

700.83

Stephen Lanigan O'Keeffe

5,034.72

John O'Mahoney

94.50

Paul O'Higgins

997.50

Blaise O'Carroll

3,208.14

Desmond O'Neill

454.12

James O'Driscoll

63.00

Tom O'Connell

5,966.62

A. Lewis O'Brien

1,596.00

D. O'Donoghue

1,225.00

Michael O'Shea

402.50

Ciaran O'Loughlin

630.03

Pádraig O'Higgins

912.96

Iarflaith O'Neill

204.80

Hugh O'Flaherty

256.20

Mary O'Toole

157.50

James O'Reilly

275.62

Seán O'Donovan

105.00

Turlough O'Donnell

735.00

Séamus O'Quigley

157.50

John Phelan

614.25

Horace Porter

511.85

John Peart

472.48

Nehru Morgan-Pillay

590.61

John Quirke

325.49

Liam Reidy

786.97

Seán Ryan

2,622.55

Michael Rynne

2,045.57

Stephen Roche

84.00

Luigi Rea

840.00

David Sheehan

252.00

Bill Shipsey

498.75

Séamus Sorohan

15,147.82

Ercus Steward

595.00

M.P. Smith

78.75

Thomas Slattery

642.60

Anthony Sammon

3,608.15

Colm Smyth

236.25

Timothy Sheehan

299.25

Thomas Teehan

623.00

Barry White

16,171.69

Paul Walsh

1,141.85

Joseph Ward

157.50

Edward Walsh

236.25

Total:

£285,347.39

Will the Minister state if his Department have given any consideration to the possibility of replacing the present system with a salaried public defenders scheme which would eliminate the employment of private solicitors by the Department?

(Limerick East): I have no such proposals under consideration.

Will the Minister not agree that there would possibly be a saving of money to the State if such a scheme were introduced?

(Limerick East): It is a separate question. It refers to policy in general rather than the information sought in the questions.

Will the Minister tell the House, from the tabular statement, the highest levels of payment?

(Limerick East): The statement runs to several pages.

I request the top figures only.

Particularly in the north city area.

It would make very interesting reading.

(Limerick East): It would involve my going through quite a number of pages to pick out the top figure. It will be circulated.

Is the Minister saying they are not grouped together?

The Chair tries to discourage probing into tabular statements.

We are asking for the top figures. However, it may not be possible for the Minister to give this information because of the way they are grouped.

The top solicitors involved are members of The Workers Party.

(Limerick East): It is not a question of how the figures are grouped: it is a question of the length of the list. I have not identified the highest or the lowest paid. I would need time to go through the lists and there are several pages involved.

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